Re: RHEL 8 Specs

2015-12-22 Thread Keith Smith

On 2015-12-22 13:09, Jerry Snitselaar wrote:

On Tue Dec 22 15, Keith Smith wrote:


Hi,

I've done some searching and am finding nothing on RHEL 8.  Anyone 
know where I might get some info such as what version of Fedora it 
will be based on?


I see version 7 will be in production until June 2024.  
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata  That is a 
long time.


Thank you for your help!!

Keith



RHEL8 is still a long ways off, and none of that has been decided yet 
AFAIK.


Thanks!!  That explains why I was not finding any info.






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Re: RHEL 8 Specs

2015-12-22 Thread Jerry Snitselaar

On Tue Dec 22 15, Keith Smith wrote:


Hi,

I've done some searching and am finding nothing on RHEL 8.  Anyone 
know where I might get some info such as what version of Fedora it 
will be based on?


I see version 7 will be in production until June 2024.  
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata  That is a 
long time.


Thank you for your help!!

Keith



RHEL8 is still a long ways off, and none of that has been decided yet AFAIK.


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RHEL 8 Specs

2015-12-22 Thread Keith Smith


Hi,

I've done some searching and am finding nothing on RHEL 8.  Anyone know 
where I might get some info such as what version of Fedora it will be 
based on?


I see version 7 will be in production until June 2024.  
https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata  That is a long 
time.


Thank you for your help!!

Keith

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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-14 Thread Phil Waclawski
good to know, thank you
Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> Those 2 things are both still there.
>
> For the menu selection, it has been moved slightly to a better location.
> You now right click on the K icon and select "Alternatives" and then you
> are given a list of ALL the menu alternatives that exist.  The
> "Alternatives" selection seems to be a configuration design that they have
> carried across everything that can or does have multiple options. It should
> make less obvious options noticeable to more people.
>
> For the desktop, they have combined all the different desktop types into a
> single versatile desktop.  So to get a classic desktop with icons on it, go
> to the "Wallpaper" tab under the desktop settings and change it from
> "Desktop" to "Folderview".  I have noticed that the folder view specific
> setting don't appear in the desktop settings area until you exit out of the
> desktop settings and then go back in.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 10/14/2015 02:09 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
>> Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I
>> usually do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was
>> gone (I haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the
>> desktop to "folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good
>> sign for the rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.
>>
>> Phil W
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff > > wrote:
>>
>> On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the
>> punch.
>> That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing
>> kubuntu
>> 15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE
>> have been
>> disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or
>> something
>> else.
>>
>>
>> Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing?
>> In my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't
>> recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been
>> adopted about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in
>> Kubuntu. After about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports
>> PPA and that would make things fairly nice.
>>
>> There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port
>> over to the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the
>> "quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some
>> research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been
>> abandoned by the author for years so it was bound to get dropped
>> anyway. The good thing is that the effective functionality of the
>> quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid
>> which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.
>>
>> Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole
>> different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is
>> what should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the
>> crashes are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the
>> still missing ones are most likely your least used features and
>> should be back in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and
>> noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could
>> also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a good state
>> if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh well,
>> it is what it is.
>>
>> If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the
>> time you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be
>> just a faster, smoother version of what you already know... only
>> better.
>> If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find
>> the desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor
>> features right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature
>> gets added back in in the near future.
>>
>> Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now
>> storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config,
>> .local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well,
>> like the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink
>> quickly take care of the legacy location on an updated box.
>>
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-14 Thread Brian Cluff

Those 2 things are both still there.

For the menu selection, it has been moved slightly to a better location. 
 You now right click on the K icon and select "Alternatives" and then 
you are given a list of ALL the menu alternatives that exist.  The 
"Alternatives" selection seems to be a configuration design that they 
have carried across everything that can or does have multiple options. 
It should make less obvious options noticeable to more people.


For the desktop, they have combined all the different desktop types into 
a single versatile desktop.  So to get a classic desktop with icons on 
it, go to the "Wallpaper" tab under the desktop settings and change it 
from "Desktop" to "Folderview".  I have noticed that the folder view 
specific setting don't appear in the desktop settings area until you 
exit out of the desktop settings and then go back in.


Brian Cluff

On 10/14/2015 02:09 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I
usually do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was
gone (I haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the
desktop to "folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good
sign for the rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.

Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff mailto:br...@snaptek.com>> wrote:

On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing
kubuntu
15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE
have been
disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or
something
else.


Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing?
In my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't
recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been
adopted about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in
Kubuntu. After about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports
PPA and that would make things fairly nice.

There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port
over to the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the
"quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some
research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been
abandoned by the author for years so it was bound to get dropped
anyway. The good thing is that the effective functionality of the
quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid
which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.

Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole
different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is
what should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the
crashes are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the
still missing ones are most likely your least used features and
should be back in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and
noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could
also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a good state
if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh well,
it is what it is.

If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the
time you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be
just a faster, smoother version of what you already know... only better.
If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find
the desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor
features right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature
gets added back in in the near future.

Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now
storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config,
.local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well,
like the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink
quickly take care of the legacy location on an updated box.

Brian Cluff

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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-14 Thread Phil Waclawski
Well, for one, I dislike the tabbed menu KDE has by default, so I usually
do a right click and "Classic Menu Style". Student said that was gone (I
haven't tried out 15  yet). Also that you can't easily set the desktop to
"folder view" either.  If those are true, that's not a good sign for the
rest of it. I need to get the live DVD and test it myself.

Phil W

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:
>
>> Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
>> That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing kubuntu
>> 15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE have been
>> disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or something
>> else.
>>
>
> Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing? In my
> option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't recommend it
> to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been adopted about 2 months too
> soon to make it the default desktop in Kubuntu. After about 2 months you
> could load the Kubuntu backports PPA and that would make things fairly nice.
>
> There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port over to
> the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the "quicklaunch"
> plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some research I found out
> that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been abandoned by the author for years so
> it was bound to get dropped anyway. The good thing is that the effective
> functionality of the quicklaunch plasmoid has been pulled into the
> folderview plasmoid which changes it's behavior if it's put into a panel.
>
> Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole different
> beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is what should have
> been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the crashes are now gone.
> Most of the missing features are back and the still missing ones are most
> likely your least used features and should be back in shortly. The desktop
> is silky smooth and noticeably faster than the 14.x versions of KDE. Of
> course it could also be argued that Kubuntu wouldn't have been in such a
> good state if it hadn't released plasma 5 to the wild when it did... oh
> well, it is what it is.
>
> If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the time you
> upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be just a faster,
> smoother version of what you already know... only better.
> If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find the
> desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor features
> right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature gets added back
> in in the near future.
>
> Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now storing
> it's configurations in more standard locations like .config, .local, etc
> and a small number of other paths have changed as well, like the path to
> the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink quickly take care of the
> legacy location on an updated box.
>
> Brian Cluff
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-14 Thread Brian Cluff

On 10/13/2015 06:14 PM, Phil Waclawski wrote:

Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.
That was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing kubuntu
15 and it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE have been
disabled (or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or something
else.


Just curious, what customizations are you finding that are missing? In 
my option Kubuntu 15.04 was really a rough release and I haven't 
recommend it to much of anyone. Plasma 5 appears to have been adopted 
about 2 months too soon to make it the default desktop in Kubuntu. After 
about 2 months you could load the Kubuntu backports PPA and that would 
make things fairly nice.


There are a small handful of plasmoids that didn't make the port over to 
the plasma 5 environment, one of my favorites being the the 
"quicklaunch" plasmoid. At first I was pissed, but on doing some 
research I found out that the quicklaunch plasmoid has been abandoned by 
the author for years so it was bound to get dropped anyway. The good 
thing is that the effective functionality of the quicklaunch plasmoid 
has been pulled into the folderview plasmoid which changes it's behavior 
if it's put into a panel.


Anyway, cut to the as unreleased Kubunutu 15.10... It's a whole 
different beast compared to the 15.04 rlease, and in my opinion is what 
should have been the initial plasma 5 desktop release. All the crashes 
are now gone. Most of the missing features are back and the still 
missing ones are most likely your least used features and should be back 
in shortly. The desktop is silky smooth and noticeably faster than the 
14.x versions of KDE. Of course it could also be argued that Kubuntu 
wouldn't have been in such a good state if it hadn't released plasma 5 
to the wild when it did... oh well, it is what it is.


If you are currently running 14.04LTS then I believe that by the time 
you upgrade to the next LTS in 6 months, the desktop should be just a 
faster, smoother version of what you already know... only better.
If you are looking to upgrade sooner, then I think you'll still find the 
desktop in excellent shape... It might be missing a few minor features 
right now, but there is often a workaround till the feature gets added 
back in in the near future.


Probably the biggest change that might bite you is that KDE is now 
storing it's configurations in more standard locations like .config, 
.local, etc and a small number of other paths have changed as well, like 
the path to the service menus. A quick mv and a softlink quickly take 
care of the legacy location on an updated box.


Brian Cluff

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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Phil Waclawski
Yes, and the UNITY thing on Ubuntu also beat windows 8 to the punch.  That
was when I switched to Kubuntu.  I've had a student testing kubuntu 15 and
it looks like the customizations I normally do to KDE have been disabled
(or hidden) in KDE 5may start looking at Mint or something else.
I wish these UI/UX folks would realize that removing choices drives people
away. I don't care if you use defaults that I don't like, that's OK. The
average user may like those defaults better, again, I'm fine with that. But
don't remove my ability to alter the desktop the way that works best for my
workflow.

Phil W

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Jerry Snitselaar 
wrote:

> On Tue Oct 13 15, Bob Elzer wrote:
>
>>   Which gnome don't you like?
>>
>>   I really hate gnome 3 and the stupid gnome shell. To me I imagined
>>   someone decided to copy Microsoft's windows idea of making all desktops
>>   work like tablets. I could not put programs on the taskbar or the
>>   desktop. Maybe MS inserted a spy lol.
>>
>>
> I'm pretty sure the gnome 3 and kde plasma enviroments came before
> Microsoft's
> changes in Windows 8.
>
>   I wound up installing the mate desktop.
>>
>>   I'm working on building a kickstart script to install centos 7 and
>>   setup as much as possible during install.
>>
>>   I still wish they had the installing everything option. I like a system
>>   that can do anything.
>>
>>   On Oct 13, 2015 3:43 PM, "Nathan England" <[1]nat...@nmecs.com> wrote:
>>
>>   I really wish they would give a little more love to their KDE spin. I'm
>>   not at all a fan of Gnome. I just don't like it. I have tried multiple
>>   times at length. I develop across 3 screens all horizontally aligned
>>   and with KDE it works great and Gnome it is just not an enjoyable
>>   experience.
>>
>>   But KDE has enough problems to finally push me over my limit. A few
>>   weeks ago I installed Xfce and have been using that. I like it a lot,
>>   but there are a few things that get my goat. I really miss my KDE.
>>
>>
>>   On 2015-10-13 15:38, Stephen Partington wrote:
>>
>>   Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their
>>   Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Jerry Snitselaar

On Tue Oct 13 15, Bob Elzer wrote:

  Which gnome don't you like?

  I really hate gnome 3 and the stupid gnome shell. To me I imagined
  someone decided to copy Microsoft's windows idea of making all desktops
  work like tablets. I could not put programs on the taskbar or the
  desktop. Maybe MS inserted a spy lol.



I'm pretty sure the gnome 3 and kde plasma enviroments came before Microsoft's
changes in Windows 8.


  I wound up installing the mate desktop.

  I'm working on building a kickstart script to install centos 7 and
  setup as much as possible during install.

  I still wish they had the installing everything option. I like a system
  that can do anything.

  On Oct 13, 2015 3:43 PM, "Nathan England" <[1]nat...@nmecs.com> wrote:

  I really wish they would give a little more love to their KDE spin. I'm
  not at all a fan of Gnome. I just don't like it. I have tried multiple
  times at length. I develop across 3 screens all horizontally aligned
  and with KDE it works great and Gnome it is just not an enjoyable
  experience.

  But KDE has enough problems to finally push me over my limit. A few
  weeks ago I installed Xfce and have been using that. I like it a lot,
  but there are a few things that get my goat. I really miss my KDE.


  On 2015-10-13 15:38, Stephen Partington wrote:

  Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their
  Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.




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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Nathan England
I long ago built a fedora-fast-insstall.sh script that sets up 
everything exactly the way I like it.


I don't like Gnome 3 or gnome-shell. It reminds me a lot of OSX and it 
does have some nice parts that I do really like, but as an every day 
system to use (which I use both personally and for work on my work 
machines) I just can't stand it.


I'll stick with Xfce for now and KDE.

On 2015-10-13 16:35, Bob Elzer wrote:

Which gnome don't you like?

I really hate gnome 3 and the stupid gnome shell. To me I imagined
someone decided to copy Microsoft's windows idea of making all
desktops work like tablets. I could not put programs on the taskbar or
the desktop. Maybe MS inserted a spy lol.

I wound up installing the mate desktop.

I'm working on building a kickstart script to install centos 7 and
setup as much as possible during install.

I still wish they had the installing everything option. I like a
system that can do anything.
On Oct 13, 2015 3:43 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:


I really wish they would give a little more love to their KDE spin.
I'm not at all a fan of Gnome. I just don't like it. I have tried
multiple times at length. I develop across 3 screens all
horizontally aligned and with KDE it works great and Gnome it is
just not an enjoyable experience.

But KDE has enough problems to finally push me over my limit. A few
weeks ago I installed Xfce and have been using that. I like it a
lot, but there are a few things that get my goat. I really miss my
KDE.

On 2015-10-13 15:38, Stephen Partington wrote:


Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their
Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.


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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Bob Elzer
Which gnome don't you like?

I really hate gnome 3 and the stupid gnome shell. To me I imagined someone
decided to copy Microsoft's windows idea of making all desktops work like
tablets. I could not put programs on the taskbar or the desktop. Maybe MS
inserted a spy lol.

I wound up installing the mate desktop.

I'm working on building a kickstart script to install centos 7 and setup as
much as possible during install.

I still wish they had the installing everything option. I like a system
that can do anything.
On Oct 13, 2015 3:43 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:

> I really wish they would give a little more love to their KDE spin. I'm
> not at all a fan of Gnome. I just don't like it. I have tried multiple
> times at length. I develop across 3 screens all horizontally aligned and
> with KDE it works great and Gnome it is just not an enjoyable experience.
>
> But KDE has enough problems to finally push me over my limit. A few weeks
> ago I installed Xfce and have been using that. I like it a lot, but there
> are a few things that get my goat. I really miss my KDE.
>
>
>
> On 2015-10-13 15:38, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
> Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their
> Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.
>
>
>
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Nathan England
I would be more concerned with how long Drupal 7 will be supported as it 
works fine on CentOS 7, which will be supported for quite some time.


Maybe I'm a little too conservative in my use of new technology, but 
Drupal 8 won't interest me for a while after it has been released.



On 2015-10-13 15:45, Keith Smith wrote:

I'm looking at the requirements for Drupal 8 and RHEL 7 does not meet
them.  That is why I was asking about RHEL 8.

Ubuntu 14.04 barely meets the requirements for for Drupal 8.  Drupal 8
is not in production yet, however is supposed to be soon...  I figure
when Drupal 8 is a couple years old I might want to migrate.

So maybe Ubuntu 14.04lts / Drupal 7 for now and Ubuntu 16.xx lts /
Drupal 8 in  2 or 3 years.



On 2015-10-13 15:30, Ed wrote:

Kieth - not for years, besides most biz are still looking at the 6->7
migration as a TODO.
If you are itching for RHEL8 - get your fix with Fedora - 23 is due 
soon.


On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Keith Smith 
 wrote:



Hi,

I was looking around for some info for when RHEL 8 might come on the 
scene.
The last two releases where about 3 1/2 years apart.  I'm guessing 
maybe

around the first part of 2018.

A quick search produced little insight.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!!
Keith
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Keith Smith


I'm looking at the requirements for Drupal 8 and RHEL 7 does not meet 
them.  That is why I was asking about RHEL 8.


Ubuntu 14.04 barely meets the requirements for for Drupal 8.  Drupal 8 
is not in production yet, however is supposed to be soon...  I figure 
when Drupal 8 is a couple years old I might want to migrate.


So maybe Ubuntu 14.04lts / Drupal 7 for now and Ubuntu 16.xx lts / 
Drupal 8 in  2 or 3 years.




On 2015-10-13 15:30, Ed wrote:

Kieth - not for years, besides most biz are still looking at the 6->7
migration as a TODO.
If you are itching for RHEL8 - get your fix with Fedora - 23 is due 
soon.


On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Keith Smith 
 wrote:



Hi,

I was looking around for some info for when RHEL 8 might come on the 
scene.
The last two releases where about 3 1/2 years apart.  I'm guessing 
maybe

around the first part of 2018.

A quick search produced little insight.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!!
Keith
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Nathan England
 

I really wish they would give a little more love to their KDE spin. I'm
not at all a fan of Gnome. I just don't like it. I have tried multiple
times at length. I develop across 3 screens all horizontally aligned and
with KDE it works great and Gnome it is just not an enjoyable
experience. 

But KDE has enough problems to finally push me over my limit. A few
weeks ago I installed Xfce and have been using that. I like it a lot,
but there are a few things that get my goat. I really miss my KDE. 

On 2015-10-13 15:38, Stephen Partington wrote: 

> Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their 
> Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.

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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Stephen Partington
Fedora 23 is looking really slick... and i am liking their
Workstation/Server/Cloud installer splits.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Ed  wrote:

> Kieth - not for years, besides most biz are still looking at the 6->7
> migration as a TODO.
> If you are itching for RHEL8 - get your fix with Fedora - 23 is due soon.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Keith Smith 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was looking around for some info for when RHEL 8 might come on the
> scene.
> > The last two releases where about 3 1/2 years apart.  I'm guessing maybe
> > around the first part of 2018.
> >
> > A quick search produced little insight.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Keith
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Re: RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Ed
Kieth - not for years, besides most biz are still looking at the 6->7
migration as a TODO.
If you are itching for RHEL8 - get your fix with Fedora - 23 is due soon.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Keith Smith  wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was looking around for some info for when RHEL 8 might come on the scene.
> The last two releases where about 3 1/2 years apart.  I'm guessing maybe
> around the first part of 2018.
>
> A quick search produced little insight.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks!!
> Keith
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RHEL 8

2015-10-13 Thread Keith Smith



Hi,

I was looking around for some info for when RHEL 8 might come on the 
scene.  The last two releases where about 3 1/2 years apart.  I'm 
guessing maybe around the first part of 2018.


A quick search produced little insight.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!!
Keith
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