Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Joe Lowder]

Mike, All of the responses that I received were
posted on the PLUG message exchange.

Also, it is curious that this message dated Jan 5
just showed up from the PLUG list today, Jan 15?

I wonder how that happened?

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On Sat, January 5, 2019  myli...@cox.net wrote:
> Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question.
> Thanks Mike


> ---Original Message---
> From: Joe Lowder
> Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM
> Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift?
>
> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>
> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>
> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box, no muss, no fuss.



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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Stephen Partington]

Pretty slick deal for a Linux laptop.

https://computers.woot.com/offers/dell-latitude-e7450-14-intel-i5-ssd-ultrabook

Dell Latitude E7450 14" Ultrabook, Intel Core i5-5300U 2.3GHz, 240GB Solid
State Drive, 8GB DDR3, 802.11ac, Bluetooth, Win10Pro
$369.99 Refurbished

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 5:22 PM Joe Lowder  Thanks to all who responded.
>
> Mike  wrote: Hi Joe. can you share the
> answers to your question. Thanks, Mike
>
> So, Mike, I've quoted three of the most recent responses
> below. Earlier replies can be found in the PLUG archives:
>
> https://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/splash/index.html
>
> I've had great success with Linux installed on several
> ThinkPads (both IBM and Lenovo) for many years. A couple
> of installs on Dells turned out to be problematic for me.
> Mint has worked best for me.
>
> The reason I asked the "Linux laptop for a gift" question
> was to see if the PLUG "brain trust" might have any newer
> recommendations for any affordable pre-installed options.
>
> I gave my wife a Chromebook, but she is not satisfied
> with that.
>
> So, I just purchased another Thinkpad 430u for $150 to set
> up with Linux Mint for my wife because she is finally fed up
> with Windows 10. After years of using Windows 8, she has now
> been coerced into the Windows 10 nightmare and she hates it.
>
> I personally will not have anything to do with anything
> from Micro$haft and I'm now having a problem tring to install
> Linux Mint on the 430u because of the UEFI annoyance.
>
> Please see this link: http://upquick.com/temp/430/
>
> Hope somebody can help me get past this UEFI nuisance.
>
>
> == mich...@butash.net wrote:
> I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more,
> even then it's hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch
> linux install cd after a week). Thinkpads tend to have their
> issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so much seem to care about
> linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out, which only goes
> so far.  Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel team
> to get some real input I've found.  Using the ones they sell with
> linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's,
> at least with ubuntu and such they tend to support.
>
> == ke...@fries-biro.com wrote:
> You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with
> "cheapest". You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero
> incompatabilities... simple, System76.  It will come with either
> PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy.
> Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny
> things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet
> to see one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much
> effort are you willing to put in and what is your tolerance for
> things breaking on upgrade?
>
> == trent.ship...@gmail.com wrote:
> My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used Chromebooks.
> Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux desktop,
> let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux.
> Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine?
> There are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there,
> assuming you don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft.
> A Chromebook can't be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box,
> and my understanding is that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under
> the covers. So Chromebook is a really good choice for a cheap,
> user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google or Chromebook.
>
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Joe Lowder]

Thanks to all who responded.

Mike  wrote: Hi Joe. can you share the
answers to your question. Thanks, Mike

So, Mike, I've quoted three of the most recent responses
below. Earlier replies can be found in the PLUG archives:

https://lists.phxlinux.org/lurker/splash/index.html

I've had great success with Linux installed on several
ThinkPads (both IBM and Lenovo) for many years. A couple
of installs on Dells turned out to be problematic for me.
Mint has worked best for me.

The reason I asked the "Linux laptop for a gift" question
was to see if the PLUG "brain trust" might have any newer
recommendations for any affordable pre-installed options.

I gave my wife a Chromebook, but she is not satisfied
with that.

So, I just purchased another Thinkpad 430u for $150 to set
up with Linux Mint for my wife because she is finally fed up
with Windows 10. After years of using Windows 8, she has now
been coerced into the Windows 10 nightmare and she hates it.

I personally will not have anything to do with anything
from Micro$haft and I'm now having a problem tring to install
Linux Mint on the 430u because of the UEFI annoyance.

Please see this link: http://upquick.com/temp/430/

Hope somebody can help me get past this UEFI nuisance.


== mich...@butash.net wrote:
I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more,
even then it's hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch
linux install cd after a week). Thinkpads tend to have their
issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so much seem to care about
linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out, which only goes
so far.  Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel team
to get some real input I've found.  Using the ones they sell with
linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's,
at least with ubuntu and such they tend to support.

== ke...@fries-biro.com wrote:
You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with
"cheapest". You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero
incompatabilities... simple, System76.  It will come with either
PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint dirives. Open the box, enjoy.
Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux. Many of the cheapest do funny
things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10. But, I have yet
to see one that can not be made to work in a long time. How much
effort are you willing to put in and what is your tolerance for
things breaking on upgrade?

== trent.ship...@gmail.com wrote:
My parents use Macs. I would be OK if they used Chromebooks.
Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux desktop,
let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux.
Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine?
There are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there,
assuming you don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft.
A Chromebook can't be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box,
and my understanding is that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under
the covers. So Chromebook is a really good choice for a cheap,
user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google or Chromebook.



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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Eric Oyen]

Trent,
The chrome books are nice, but there is a caveat for us blind users. Getting 
accessibility to work on there is a huge pain and requires visual assistance to 
activate (unlike OS X with voiceover, or any of the accessible enabled linux 
distributions)


Still, if I wanted to install a full linux distribution on there, would it be 
possible?

-Eric

> On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:08 PM, trent shipley  wrote:
> 
> And who is it for?  My parents use Macs.  I would be OK if they used 
> Chromebooks.  Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux 
> desktop, let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux.
> 
> Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine?  There are 
> some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there--assuming you don't 
> have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft.  A Chromebook can't be beat 
> for cheap, functional, and out of the box, and my understanding is that it's 
> based on Gentoo, deep, deep under the covers.  So Chromebook is a really good 
> choice for a cheap, user-proof computer, unless you have a phobia of Google 
> or Chromebook.
> 
> Trent.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Kevin Fries  > wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest".
> 
> You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... 
> simple, System76.  It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint 
> dirives.  Open the box,  enjoy your laptop. 
> 
> Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux.  Many of the cheapest do funny things 
> with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10.  But, I have yet to see one that 
> can not be made to work in a long time.   How much effort are you willing to 
> put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade?
> 
> Kevin
> 
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> Thanks
> Mike  
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> Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM
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> Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift?
>  
> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>  
> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>  
> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[trent shipley]

And who is it for?  My parents use Macs.  I would be OK if they used
Chromebooks.  Never is a million years would I give them a solid Linux
desktop, let alone a potentially flaky, cheap, out of the box Linux.

Why are you in the market for a cheap out-of-the-box Mint machine?  There
are some pretty decent, affordable Windows machines out there--assuming you
don't have a reflex objection to Windows or Microsoft.  A Chromebook can't
be beat for cheap, functional, and out of the box, and my understanding is
that it's based on Gentoo, deep, deep under the covers.  So Chromebook is a
really good choice for a cheap, user-proof computer, unless you have a
phobia of Google or Chromebook.

Trent.



On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:57 PM Kevin Fries  wrote:

> Joe,
>
> You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest".
>
> You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities...
> simple, System76.  It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which
> Mint dirives.  Open the box,  enjoy your laptop.
>
> Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux.  Many of the cheapest do funny
> things with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10.  But, I have yet to see
> one that can not be made to work in a long time.   How much effort are you
> willing to put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade?
>
> Kevin
>
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>> *Date:* 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM
>> *To:* plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
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>> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
>> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>>
>> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
>> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>>
>> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
>> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
>> no muss, no fuss.
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Kevin Fries]

Joe,

You need to balance your risk of "working out of the box" with "cheapest".

You want it to work with Linux, out of the box, Zero incompatabilities... 
simple, System76.  It will come with either PopOS, or Ubuntu, from which Mint 
dirives.  Open the box,  enjoy your laptop.

Cheapest, is a crap shoot with Linux.  Many of the cheapest do funny things 
with the boot sequence thanks to Windows 10.  But, I have yet to see one that 
can not be made to work in a long time.   How much effort are you willing to 
put in and what is your tolerance for things breaking on upgrade?

Kevin


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>Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM
>To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
>Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift?
>
>What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
>Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>
>One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
>and that would "just work" out of the box.
>
>I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
>wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
>no muss, no fuss.
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Michael Butash]

I only buy dell if I expect linux to work at all any more, even then it's
hit and miss (as I stare at my xps15 in an arch linux install cd after a
week).  Thinkpads tend to have their issues it seems too, lenovo doesn't so
much seem to care about linux, and is left to hobbiests to figure out,
which only goes so far.  Dell at least has folks that work on the kernel
team to get some real input I've found.  Using the ones they sell with
linux obviously goes a long way toward support, like the xps's, at least
with ubuntu and such they tend to support.

-mb

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:07 PM Joe Lowder  wrote:

> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>
> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>
> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
> no muss, no fuss.
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

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Hi Joe can you share the answers to your question. 
Thanks
Mike  
 
 
 
 
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From: Joe Lowder
Date: 1/5/2019 2:07:57 PM
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Best linux laptop for a gift?
 
What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
 
One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
and that would "just work" out of the box.
 
I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
no muss, no fuss.
 
 
 
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Stephen Partington]

Amazon has a great section to buy refurb or similar devices. Good place to
get a baseline. And you have recourse if DOA.

However look up battery prices and consider a new battery as part of your
base price

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:17 PM Mark Phillips  Find the laptop you can afford (ie best processor, most RAM, large hard
> drive, weight and size  for what you want to do with the laptop) and then
> google "install mint on " where XXX =  make and model of that laptop.
> You will quickly see if there are any issues. If there are, pick another
> one!
>
> Also, google the cost of a RAM upgrade and new hard drive for the model
> you pick - you may be able to save some bucks on buying a laptop with
> little RAM and a bad hard drive and replacing those yourself.
>
> Finally, if buying a used laptop from a person, install mint on a usb
> stick and test if the laptop will boot from the usb stick and into mint.
>
> I agree with Stephen, Latitudes and Thinkpads are usually Linux friendly
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:11 PM Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with
>> 1 Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already.
>> That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist
>> entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder >
>>> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
>>> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>>>
>>> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
>>> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>>>
>>> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
>>> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
>>> no muss, no fuss.
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Mark Phillips]

Find the laptop you can afford (ie best processor, most RAM, large hard
drive, weight and size  for what you want to do with the laptop) and then
google "install mint on " where XXX =  make and model of that laptop.
You will quickly see if there are any issues. If there are, pick another
one!

Also, google the cost of a RAM upgrade and new hard drive for the model you
pick - you may be able to save some bucks on buying a laptop with little
RAM and a bad hard drive and replacing those yourself.

Finally, if buying a used laptop from a person, install mint on a usb stick
and test if the laptop will boot from the usb stick and into mint.

I agree with Stephen, Latitudes and Thinkpads are usually Linux friendly

Mark

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 2:11 PM Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with 1
> Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already.
> That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist
> entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream.
>
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder 
>> What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
>> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>>
>> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
>> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>>
>> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
>> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
>> no muss, no fuss.
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Re: Best linux laptop for a gift?

[Stephen Partington]

Thinkpads do well with this. Dell latitudes also do well. If you go with 1
Gen older you can usually learn that things have been included already.
That being said my brand new alienware 15 r4 required a single blacklist
entry and no free driver installation to work like a dream.

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 2:07 PM Joe Lowder  What would y'all recommend as the best (most affordable)
> Linux laptop to give to someone as a gift?
>
> One that comes with Linux (preferrably mint) pre-installed
> and that would "just work" out of the box.
>
> I see a bunch or them on Amazon for under $200, but
> wonder if any of them would "just work" out of the box,
> no muss, no fuss.
>
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