Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Stephen Partington]

http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Good_settings
http://www.torrenttrackerlist.com/best-utorrent-settings/

Both of these touch on similar settings. Ktorrent can benefit from the same
ones.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:36 AM Jim  wrote:

> I'm looking to configure ktorrent for the fastest possible downloads.
> I know there are many things that can affect how fast something
> downloads via bittorrent, but I'm looking to get the best speeds
> possible.  Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks
>
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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Bob Elzer]

sign up for gigabit download speeds

actually that won't guarantee anything, what determines down speed is the
upload speeds of the hosts.

most of the settings are for telling ktorrent how many concurrent downloads
you want and and how many connections to each torrent you want. make sure
you have enough.

after that it depends on how many seeders are offering the torrent and
their uplod speeds

if you have a torrent with one seeder then you are at his mercy if he is
online or not

there are settings in ktorrent to slow down transfers so you dont take up
all your bandwidth, but those are off by default.



On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:36 AM Jim  wrote:

> I'm looking to configure ktorrent for the fastest possible downloads.
> I know there are many things that can affect how fast something
> downloads via bittorrent, but I'm looking to get the best speeds
> possible.  Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks
>
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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Michael Butash]

I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) torrent
peer(s).

Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending if
your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to rate
limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.  I find
using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local peering, so
things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise window up fast to max
bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges bandwidth overages now, but their
service (internet peering) is generally better quality.  I don't like
random surprise overages after watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL
with no caps.

You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just don't -
you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn service.  This
influences again how fast you are downloading, make sure your vpn gives you
good speed too.

Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer
rates, meaning faster to download than upload.  Interesting thing with
cable particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your
downstream rates in bad ways.  If you are maxing out your upstream to seed,
your downloads are likely affected in some way.  It's a long answer why,
read up on docsis if interested.  Limit your upstream rates in your torrent
client/server to a respectable number is the short of this.

Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections  -
make sure your router/firewall can handle this.  I've seen torrenting kill
enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts.  Connection counts affect
memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router.  I see this occasionally with
customer "incidents" when doing network/security consulting, and finding
someone doing something stupid like installing a torrent client on their
work computer as they end up being a top-talker I find with simple source
flow counts for *abnormal* traffic.  I've also had roommates kill my
firewall doing this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no
internet access ever again.

I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary.  I use a
transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through that as a
server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop, laptop, phone,
sometimes remote), and all torrent collection show up as from an eu country
via my vpn service.  Above guidelines are quite good for my purposes.

-mb



On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:18 AM Bob Elzer  wrote:

> sign up for gigabit download speeds
>
> actually that won't guarantee anything, what determines down speed is the
> upload speeds of the hosts.
>
> most of the settings are for telling ktorrent how many concurrent
> downloads you want and and how many connections to each torrent you want.
> make sure you have enough.
>
> after that it depends on how many seeders are offering the torrent and
> their uplod speeds
>
> if you have a torrent with one seeder then you are at his mercy if he is
> online or not
>
> there are settings in ktorrent to slow down transfers so you dont take up
> all your bandwidth, but those are off by default.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019, 10:36 AM Jim  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking to configure ktorrent for the fastest possible downloads.
>> I know there are many things that can affect how fast something
>> downloads via bittorrent, but I'm looking to get the best speeds
>> possible.  Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks
>>
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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Jim]

On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) 
torrent peer(s).

I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending 
if your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to 
rate limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.  
I find using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local 
peering, so things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise 
window up fast to max bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges 
bandwidth overages now, but their service (internet peering) is 
generally better quality.  I don't like random surprise overages after 
watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL with no caps.


How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do 
they offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing 
data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.


You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just 
don't - you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn 
service.  This influences again how fast you are downloading, make 
sure your vpn gives you good speed too.
I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty 
and listing the torrent in question.  I use a VPN now and get no more 
nasty emails from the isp.


Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer 
rates, meaning faster to download than upload.  Interesting thing with 
cable particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your 
downstream rates in bad ways.  If you are maxing out your upstream to 
seed, your downloads are likely affected in some way.  It's a long 
answer why, read up on docsis if interested.  Limit your upstream 
rates in your torrent client/server to a respectable number is the 
short of this.


Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections  
- make sure your router/firewall can handle this.  I've seen 
torrenting kill enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts.  
Connection counts affect memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router.  
I see this occasionally with customer "incidents" when doing 
network/security consulting, and finding someone doing something 
stupid like installing a torrent client on their work computer as they 
end up being a top-talker I find with simple source flow counts for 
*abnormal* traffic.  I've also had roommates kill my firewall doing 
this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no internet access 
ever again.


I used to have a roommate about 10 years ago who bogged down my internet 
connection with his stupid online shoot em up games.  I couldn't 
download anything.  I'd connect to the router and see that he was 
downloading little but maxing out the upload speed. It must have been 
something to do with that docsis issue you mentioned.  I fixed the 
problem by setting a limit on his upload speed so he only got half of 
what was available.  He complained when implementing this change kicked 
him offline for a minute or so, but not after that


I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary.  I 
use a transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through 
that as a server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop, 
laptop, phone, sometimes remote), and all torrent collection show up 
as from an eu country via my vpn service.  Above guidelines are quite 
good for my purposes.


-mb


I use protonvpn.  It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty 
emials from my ISP.  Thanks for your reply and also thanks to everyone 
else who replied.


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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Michael Butash]

> How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do
> they offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing
> data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.

I have dsl here 140mbps down, older peoria, so not graced with anything
beyond such as fiber.  My cousin a mile away can't even get the 140 in his
area.  Again cox is better/faster service, but I'm not for paying their
random cap overages.

I know people with their fiber, but with Centurylink's peering being
visible poop and heavily oversubscribed (both dsl and fiber share this I
presume), I can't imagine even at a gig it's that great to use.

> I use protonvpn.  It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty
> emials from my ISP.

I use PIA here, one of the oldest, most reliable, and hasn't showed up on
the news for bad things (yet).

-mb


On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:27 PM Jim  wrote:

>
> On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
> > I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2)
> > torrent peer(s).
> I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
> > Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending
> > if your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to
> > rate limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.
> > I find using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local
> > peering, so things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise
> > window up fast to max bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges
> > bandwidth overages now, but their service (internet peering) is
> > generally better quality.  I don't like random surprise overages after
> > watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL with no caps.
>
> How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do
> they offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing
> data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.
>
> > You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just
> > don't - you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn
> > service.  This influences again how fast you are downloading, make
> > sure your vpn gives you good speed too.
> I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty
> and listing the torrent in question.  I use a VPN now and get no more
> nasty emails from the isp.
> >
> > Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer
> > rates, meaning faster to download than upload.  Interesting thing with
> > cable particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your
> > downstream rates in bad ways.  If you are maxing out your upstream to
> > seed, your downloads are likely affected in some way.  It's a long
> > answer why, read up on docsis if interested.  Limit your upstream
> > rates in your torrent client/server to a respectable number is the
> > short of this.
> >
> > Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections
> > - make sure your router/firewall can handle this.  I've seen
> > torrenting kill enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts.
> > Connection counts affect memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router.
> > I see this occasionally with customer "incidents" when doing
> > network/security consulting, and finding someone doing something
> > stupid like installing a torrent client on their work computer as they
> > end up being a top-talker I find with simple source flow counts for
> > *abnormal* traffic.  I've also had roommates kill my firewall doing
> > this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no internet access
> > ever again.
>
> I used to have a roommate about 10 years ago who bogged down my internet
> connection with his stupid online shoot em up games.  I couldn't
> download anything.  I'd connect to the router and see that he was
> downloading little but maxing out the upload speed. It must have been
> something to do with that docsis issue you mentioned.  I fixed the
> problem by setting a limit on his upload speed so he only got half of
> what was available.  He complained when implementing this change kicked
> him offline for a minute or so, but not after that
>
> > I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary.  I
> > use a transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through
> > that as a server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop,
> > laptop, phone, sometimes remote), and all torrent collection show up
> > as from an eu country via my vpn service.  Above guidelines are quite
> > good for my purposes.
> >
> > -mb
>
> I use protonvpn.  It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty
> emials from my ISP.  Thanks for your reply and also thanks to everyone
> else who replied.
>
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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Stephen Partington]

OK, this is actually kind of interesting. Helps you calculate torrent
settings based on your available upload/download.
http://infinite-source.de/az/az-calc.html

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:12 PM Michael Butash  wrote:

> > How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do
> > they offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing
> > data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.
>
> I have dsl here 140mbps down, older peoria, so not graced with anything
> beyond such as fiber.  My cousin a mile away can't even get the 140 in his
> area.  Again cox is better/faster service, but I'm not for paying their
> random cap overages.
>
> I know people with their fiber, but with Centurylink's peering being
> visible poop and heavily oversubscribed (both dsl and fiber share this I
> presume), I can't imagine even at a gig it's that great to use.
>
> > I use protonvpn.  It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty
> > emials from my ISP.
>
> I use PIA here, one of the oldest, most reliable, and hasn't showed up on
> the news for bad things (yet).
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:27 PM Jim  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>> > I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2)
>> > torrent peer(s).
>> I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
>> > Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending
>> > if your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to
>> > rate limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.
>> > I find using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local
>> > peering, so things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise
>> > window up fast to max bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges
>> > bandwidth overages now, but their service (internet peering) is
>> > generally better quality.  I don't like random surprise overages after
>> > watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL with no caps.
>>
>> How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do
>> they offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing
>> data caps now so they can screw people out of more money.
>>
>> > You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just
>> > don't - you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn
>> > service.  This influences again how fast you are downloading, make
>> > sure your vpn gives you good speed too.
>> I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty
>> and listing the torrent in question.  I use a VPN now and get no more
>> nasty emails from the isp.
>> >
>> > Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer
>> > rates, meaning faster to download than upload.  Interesting thing with
>> > cable particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your
>> > downstream rates in bad ways.  If you are maxing out your upstream to
>> > seed, your downloads are likely affected in some way.  It's a long
>> > answer why, read up on docsis if interested.  Limit your upstream
>> > rates in your torrent client/server to a respectable number is the
>> > short of this.
>> >
>> > Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections
>> > - make sure your router/firewall can handle this.  I've seen
>> > torrenting kill enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts.
>> > Connection counts affect memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router.
>> > I see this occasionally with customer "incidents" when doing
>> > network/security consulting, and finding someone doing something
>> > stupid like installing a torrent client on their work computer as they
>> > end up being a top-talker I find with simple source flow counts for
>> > *abnormal* traffic.  I've also had roommates kill my firewall doing
>> > this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no internet access
>> > ever again.
>>
>> I used to have a roommate about 10 years ago who bogged down my internet
>> connection with his stupid online shoot em up games.  I couldn't
>> download anything.  I'd connect to the router and see that he was
>> downloading little but maxing out the upload speed. It must have been
>> something to do with that docsis issue you mentioned.  I fixed the
>> problem by setting a limit on his upload speed so he only got half of
>> what was available.  He complained when implementing this change kicked
>> him offline for a minute or so, but not after that
>>
>> > I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary.  I
>> > use a transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through
>> > that as a server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop,
>> > laptop, phone, sometimes remote), and all torrent collection show up
>> > as from an eu country via my vpn service.  Above guidelines are quite
>> > good for my purposes.
>> >
>> > -mb
>>
>> I use protonvpn.  It's cheap and it works, and i don't get anymore nasty
>> emials from 

Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Jim]

On 6/24/19 11:32 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
OK, this is actually kind of interesting. Helps you calculate torrent 
settings based on your available upload/download. 
http://infinite-source.de/az/az-calc.html



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Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Eric Oyen]

A slight addition, with regards to cox.

I use the business class service here, which means that my bandwidth is not the 
ever present in residential “up to” speed, but is the advertised speed of 65 
Mbits/sec. Also, I use a VPN for torrenting over simply because cox, like most 
other broadband providers) doesn’t like one using a method of file transfer 
that can be so incredibly abused by those sharing copyrighted content.

Now, since I am only 1 of about 20 users on my node doing business service, 
instead of residential, I am not suck for bandwidth like all the residential 
users around me. I also don’t have to worry about overage charges (if you 
exceed 1 TB a month on residential, it can cost up to $10 per gigabyte over 
your limit. If you happen to be streaming 4k content via that connection, you 
will definitely go over by the 23rd day of that 30 day cycle, especially if you 
are like my room mate and leave the video stream on 24/7.


Now, as for best settings for your torrent client, even the best settings still 
might not give you peak performance. A lot depends on the health of the swarm 
(number of seeds >2) and how many leechers there may be. Typically, if you have 
only a few seeds and a lot of leeches, you won’t be getting any performance out 
of your torrent client.

Now, some of the best settings I have come up with over the years includes:
Number of active torrents  On Jun 23, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Jim  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>> I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) torrent 
>> peer(s).
> I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
>> Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending if 
>> your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to rate limit 
>> torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.  I find using 
>> CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local peering, so things 
>> tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise window up fast to max 
>> bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges bandwidth overages now, but their 
>> service (internet peering) is generally better quality.  I don't like random 
>> surprise overages after watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL with no 
>> caps.
> 
> How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do they 
> offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing data caps now 
> so they can screw people out of more money.
> 
>> You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just don't - 
>> you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn service.  This 
>> influences again how fast you are downloading, make sure your vpn gives you 
>> good speed too.
> I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty and 
> listing the torrent in question.  I use a VPN now and get no more nasty 
> emails from the isp.
>> 
>> Almost any residential service, dsl or cable are asynchronous transfer 
>> rates, meaning faster to download than upload.  Interesting thing with cable 
>> particularly, uploading at capacity tends to influence your downstream rates 
>> in bad ways.  If you are maxing out your upstream to seed, your downloads 
>> are likely affected in some way.  It's a long answer why, read up on docsis 
>> if interested.  Limit your upstream rates in your torrent client/server to a 
>> respectable number is the short of this.
>> 
>> Torrents tend to create a _lot_ of packet per seconds and connections  - 
>> make sure your router/firewall can handle this.  I've seen torrenting kill 
>> enterprise firewalls in session/pps counts.  Connection counts affect 
>> memory, and might/will kill a cheapo router.  I see this occasionally with 
>> customer "incidents" when doing network/security consulting, and finding 
>> someone doing something stupid like installing a torrent client on their 
>> work computer as they end up being a top-talker I find with simple source 
>> flow counts for *abnormal* traffic.  I've also had roommates kill my 
>> firewall doing this, before I find, block, and threaten them with no 
>> internet access ever again.
> 
> I used to have a roommate about 10 years ago who bogged down my internet 
> connection with his stupid online shoot em up games.  I couldn't download 
> anything.  I'd connect to the router and see that he was downloading little 
> but maxing out the upload speed. It must have been something to do with that 
> docsis issue you mentioned.  I fixed the problem by setting a limit on his 
> upload speed so he only got half of what was available.  He complained when 
> implementing this change kicked him offline for a minute or so, but not after 
> that
> 
>> I don't find a lot of other optimization of clients are necessary.  I use a 
>> transmission-remote server and otherwise feed everything through that as a 
>> server appliance from numerous clients on the lan (desktop, laptop, phone, 
>> sometimes remote), and all torrent 

Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Michael Butash]

Hi Eric,

Curious what you're paying for that these days from Cox Business.

I used to work for them some ~20yr ago, so had it for many years, but found
it not worth the cost over time.  I moved to residential, which was fine,
other than the every 4 years or so I'd have to call them to come replace
feeder cable to my house from cable suckage (heat/metal
expansion/contraction, not literal), and have to wait a day to get a tech
here.  Upstream isn't so important unless you're trying to be the next
piratebay top 10 seeder, so I'm all for cost savings, thus moving to
centurylink the past year.

Which by the way, I rather hate lec/telco's by nature, so this was
difficult.  My doing so was purely a financial decision.  Shame Cox
implemented data caps, I never minded paying a bit more for better service,
but when randomly 10-20 dollars higher than normal, I got angry.

Side note - business modem usage of RF spectrum isn't any different from
residential users, you only get a different modem config file that allows
things like tcp/25 and 80 ports, more synchronous bandwidth as mentioned,
and that's really it.  Coming from someone working with cable modems circa
'99 pre-docsis, their hype isn't all that besides 24/7 physical support,
more synchronous bandwidth, and better peering (ie. local peering vs.
California egress, some ~20ms).  Cox does however in general do a good job
of managing bandwidth at the node level, residential or business, to keep
things copacetic in either regard.

-mb


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:

> A slight addition, with regards to cox.
>
> I use the business class service here, which means that my bandwidth is
> not the ever present in residential “up to” speed, but is the advertised
> speed of 65 Mbits/sec. Also, I use a VPN for torrenting over simply because
> cox, like most other broadband providers) doesn’t like one using a method
> of file transfer that can be so incredibly abused by those sharing
> copyrighted content.
>
> Now, since I am only 1 of about 20 users on my node doing business
> service, instead of residential, I am not suck for bandwidth like all the
> residential users around me. I also don’t have to worry about overage
> charges (if you exceed 1 TB a month on residential, it can cost up to $10
> per gigabyte over your limit. If you happen to be streaming 4k content via
> that connection, you will definitely go over by the 23rd day of that 30 day
> cycle, especially if you are like my room mate and leave the video stream
> on 24/7.
>
>
> Now, as for best settings for your torrent client, even the best settings
> still might not give you peak performance. A lot depends on the health of
> the swarm (number of seeds >2) and how many leechers there may be.
> Typically, if you have only a few seeds and a lot of leeches, you won’t be
> getting any performance out of your torrent client.
>
> Now, some of the best settings I have come up with over the years includes:
> Number of active torrents  less and the per torrent connections no higher than 200. Also, I tend to
> limit both upload and download BW to about 70% of my overall available
> bandwidth here. I have other reasons for that, including not causing a
> problem with the video streaming
>  That the room mate enjoys. There might be some advanced settings in your
> torrent client that may also improve performance, but overall, a lot still
> depends on how many seeds and the level of bandwidth they can feed.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Quality of
> Services.
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Jim  wrote:
>
>
> On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>
> I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) torrent
> peer(s).
>
> I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
>
> Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending if
> your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to rate
> limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.  I find
> using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local peering, so
> things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise window up fast to max
> bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges bandwidth overages now, but their
> service (internet peering) is generally better quality.  I don't like
> random surprise overages after watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL
> with no caps.
>
>
> How fast is your Century Link service?  Are you stuck with dsl or do they
> offer something faster?  I've heard that many ISPs are imposing data caps
> now so they can screw people out of more money.
>
> You should never, ever get torrents from your direct home IP.  Just don't
> - you are inviting problems.  Get a reliable, trustworthy vpn service.
> This influences again how fast you are downloading, make sure your vpn
> gives you good speed too.
>
> I got one of those threatening emails from AT&T saying I've been naughty
> and listing the torrent in question.  I use

Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Stephen Partington]

I have had cox residential for years. (90's yo) and right now On the Fiber
gigablast has been the best experience with any of their products I have
ever had. even beyond the general squee of Gig up and down.

And the only time port 80 mattered to me was that letsencrypt no longer
allows https for verification. and I would like to have 25 open to learn
how to run my own mail server.

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:53 AM Michael Butash  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Curious what you're paying for that these days from Cox Business.
>
> I used to work for them some ~20yr ago, so had it for many years, but
> found it not worth the cost over time.  I moved to residential, which was
> fine, other than the every 4 years or so I'd have to call them to come
> replace feeder cable to my house from cable suckage (heat/metal
> expansion/contraction, not literal), and have to wait a day to get a tech
> here.  Upstream isn't so important unless you're trying to be the next
> piratebay top 10 seeder, so I'm all for cost savings, thus moving to
> centurylink the past year.
>
> Which by the way, I rather hate lec/telco's by nature, so this was
> difficult.  My doing so was purely a financial decision.  Shame Cox
> implemented data caps, I never minded paying a bit more for better service,
> but when randomly 10-20 dollars higher than normal, I got angry.
>
> Side note - business modem usage of RF spectrum isn't any different from
> residential users, you only get a different modem config file that allows
> things like tcp/25 and 80 ports, more synchronous bandwidth as mentioned,
> and that's really it.  Coming from someone working with cable modems circa
> '99 pre-docsis, their hype isn't all that besides 24/7 physical support,
> more synchronous bandwidth, and better peering (ie. local peering vs.
> California egress, some ~20ms).  Cox does however in general do a good job
> of managing bandwidth at the node level, residential or business, to keep
> things copacetic in either regard.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> A slight addition, with regards to cox.
>>
>> I use the business class service here, which means that my bandwidth is
>> not the ever present in residential “up to” speed, but is the advertised
>> speed of 65 Mbits/sec. Also, I use a VPN for torrenting over simply because
>> cox, like most other broadband providers) doesn’t like one using a method
>> of file transfer that can be so incredibly abused by those sharing
>> copyrighted content.
>>
>> Now, since I am only 1 of about 20 users on my node doing business
>> service, instead of residential, I am not suck for bandwidth like all the
>> residential users around me. I also don’t have to worry about overage
>> charges (if you exceed 1 TB a month on residential, it can cost up to $10
>> per gigabyte over your limit. If you happen to be streaming 4k content via
>> that connection, you will definitely go over by the 23rd day of that 30 day
>> cycle, especially if you are like my room mate and leave the video stream
>> on 24/7.
>>
>>
>> Now, as for best settings for your torrent client, even the best settings
>> still might not give you peak performance. A lot depends on the health of
>> the swarm (number of seeds >2) and how many leechers there may be.
>> Typically, if you have only a few seeds and a lot of leeches, you won’t be
>> getting any performance out of your torrent client.
>>
>> Now, some of the best settings I have come up with over the years
>> includes:
>> Number of active torrents > less and the per torrent connections no higher than 200. Also, I tend to
>> limit both upload and download BW to about 70% of my overall available
>> bandwidth here. I have other reasons for that, including not causing a
>> problem with the video streaming
>>  That the room mate enjoys. There might be some advanced settings in your
>> torrent client that may also improve performance, but overall, a lot still
>> depends on how many seeds and the level of bandwidth they can feed.
>>
>> -Eric
>> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Dept of Quality of
>> Services.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Jim  wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/23/19 2:24 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>>
>> I find you're only as fast as your 1) home isp connection and 2) torrent
>> peer(s).
>>
>> I know this.  I've got 10 Mbits down and 1 up.
>>
>> Sometimes your speed as only good as your isp, particularly depending if
>> your isp is hating on your torrenting.  Comcast has been known to rate
>> limit torrents actively, thus net neutrality debates were born.  I find
>> using CenturyLink, it is always oversubscribed in their local peering, so
>> things tend to be a bit slow at first, but otherwise window up fast to max
>> bandwidth if enough peers.  Cox charges bandwidth overages now, but their
>> service (internet peering) is generally better quality.  I don't like
>> random surprise overages after watching some 4k movies, so I'm now with CL
>> with no caps.
>>
>>
>> How fast

Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Eric Oyen]

Well,
I am paying about $86 monthly for my current cox business service. That 
includes modem rental, interior wire coverage, 4 hour priority call service, 
etc.. Believe me, I was paying more than 40% more for similar residential 
service and getting only about 1/2 of what I was paying for on average 
(according to sam knows).

Now, as to how the cable is routed into the house here, it all comes in on the 
west wall from an underground conduit fed in from the pedastle at the street. 
We have had the cable replaced once in the last 5 years.

The problem with the telco in this area, most of the phone lines are over 55 
years old, have lots of half taps, capacitive crossovers, full taps, breaks, 
and various other issues. The last time I used telco lines here was in 1998 and 
QWEST had such abysmal service that I was down far more time than up. In fact, 
because of one consistent outage issue, I ended up filing a complaint with the 
Arizona Corporation Commission as well as a consumer complaint via the state 
attorney general’s office. The telco response was to accuse me of running an 
illegal file sharing server, during a period of time when I was in a documented 
service outage. That was in 1998 and I went to cox and never looked back.

-Eric 
From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Customer retention Dept.

> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Curious what you're paying for that these days from Cox Business.
> 
> I used to work for them some ~20yr ago, so had it for many years, but found 
> it not worth the cost over time.  I moved to residential, which was fine, 
> other than the every 4 years or so I'd have to call them to come replace 
> feeder cable to my house from cable suckage (heat/metal 
> expansion/contraction, not literal), and have to wait a day to get a tech 
> here.  Upstream isn't so important unless you're trying to be the next 
> piratebay top 10 seeder, so I'm all for cost savings, thus moving to 
> centurylink the past year.
> 
> Which by the way, I rather hate lec/telco's by nature, so this was difficult. 
>  My doing so was purely a financial decision.  Shame Cox implemented data 
> caps, I never minded paying a bit more for better service, but when randomly 
> 10-20 dollars higher than normal, I got angry.
> 
> Side note - business modem usage of RF spectrum isn't any different from 
> residential users, you only get a different modem config file that allows 
> things like tcp/25 and 80 ports, more synchronous bandwidth as mentioned, and 
> that's really it.  Coming from someone working with cable modems circa '99 
> pre-docsis, their hype isn't all that besides 24/7 physical support, more 
> synchronous bandwidth, and better peering (ie. local peering vs. California 
> egress, some ~20ms).  Cox does however in general do a good job of managing 
> bandwidth at the node level, residential or business, to keep things 
> copacetic in either regard.
> 
> -mb
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM Eric Oyen  > wrote:
> A slight addition, with regards to cox.
> 
> I use the business class service here, which means that my bandwidth is not 
> the ever present in residential “up to” speed, but is the advertised speed of 
> 65 Mbits/sec. Also, I use a VPN for torrenting over simply because cox, like 
> most other broadband providers) doesn’t like one using a method of file 
> transfer that can be so incredibly abused by those sharing copyrighted 
> content.
> 
> Now, since I am only 1 of about 20 users on my node doing business service, 
> instead of residential, I am not suck for bandwidth like all the residential 
> users around me. I also don’t have to worry about overage charges (if you 
> exceed 1 TB a month on residential, it can cost up to $10 per gigabyte over 
> your limit. If you happen to be streaming 4k content via that connection, you 
> will definitely go over by the 23rd day of that 30 day cycle, especially if 
> you are like my room mate and leave the video stream on 24/7.
> 
> 
> Now, as for best settings for your torrent client, even the best settings 
> still might not give you peak performance. A lot depends on the health of the 
> swarm (number of seeds >2) and how many leechers there may be. Typically, if 
> you have only a few seeds and a lot of leeches, you won’t be getting any 
> performance out of your torrent client.
> 
> Now, some of the best settings I have come up with over the years includes:
> Number of active torrents  and the per torrent connections no higher than 200. Also, I tend to limit 
> both upload and download BW to about 70% of my overall available bandwidth 
> here. I have other reasons for that, including not causing a problem with the 
> video streaming
>  That the room mate enjoys. There might be some advanced settings in your 
> torrent client that may also improve performance, but overall, a lot still 
> depends on how many seeds and the level of bandwidth they can fee

Re: Configure ktorrent for fastest downloads

[Michael Butash]

Cox and CenturyLink are both _very_dependent where you live and performance
expected.

I'm old like Stephen in using cox since the 90's, and that was in the old
Maryvale hood, where it worked rather well, but only because I was likely
the only person using internet there in the 90's.  It was absolute crap for
a friend that lived a few miles away in aerial drops, just because the coax
was generally maintained worse there.  Working at Cox in 2002-2003, we had
parts of town, particularly older area of town like old Tempe, or areas
they bought from other local Cable companies that were just terribly
designed RF plants.  Where I've lived the past 20 years is newer parts of
peoria (build '95), so it works fairly well here for both.  We'll never see
fiber though.

You were probably in a "trouble" area, but got fixed at some point.  Buying
business services in a crap area sometimes makes them fix it.  Sometimes
not..

Cox has since replaced most old crap like that, just because they had to
for docsis evolution.  The do still maintain reasonable levels on nodes, so
you don't have to worry too much about oversubscription.  Their biggest
issues have been staying ahead of capacity in general, both across the
valley, and their peering with L3 in LA that all phoenix egresses (unless
using business).

CenturyLink DSL works ok for me since switching.  I've only seen one outage
so far, last friday, and overall the speed is good.  I do notice they are
_really_ oversubscribed in their peering to L3 too.  This tends to cause
things to load slowly at first, but most folks would find this
imperceptible I think.  I know because 20 years as an network engineer tell
me things, and I know how the isp's are run.

It's all what is most important to you I suppose - cash or performance.
Cox is like Apple, CL is like some off-brand Chinese Android, but mostly do
the same things.

-mb


On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:08 PM Eric Oyen  wrote:

> Well,
> I am paying about $86 monthly for my current cox business service. That
> includes modem rental, interior wire coverage, 4 hour priority call
> service, etc.. Believe me, I was paying more than 40% more for similar
> residential service and getting only about 1/2 of what I was paying for on
> average (according to sam knows).
>
> Now, as to how the cable is routed into the house here, it all comes in on
> the west wall from an underground conduit fed in from the pedastle at the
> street. We have had the cable replaced once in the last 5 years.
>
> The problem with the telco in this area, most of the phone lines are over
> 55 years old, have lots of half taps, capacitive crossovers, full taps,
> breaks, and various other issues. The last time I used telco lines here was
> in 1998 and QWEST had such abysmal service that I was down far more time
> than up. In fact, because of one consistent outage issue, I ended up filing
> a complaint with the Arizona Corporation Commission as well as a consumer
> complaint via the state attorney general’s office. The telco response was
> to accuse me of running an illegal file sharing server, during a period of
> time when I was in a documented service outage. That was in 1998 and I went
> to cox and never looked back.
>
> -Eric
> From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Customer retention Dept.
>
> On Jun 27, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> Curious what you're paying for that these days from Cox Business.
>
> I used to work for them some ~20yr ago, so had it for many years, but
> found it not worth the cost over time.  I moved to residential, which was
> fine, other than the every 4 years or so I'd have to call them to come
> replace feeder cable to my house from cable suckage (heat/metal
> expansion/contraction, not literal), and have to wait a day to get a tech
> here.  Upstream isn't so important unless you're trying to be the next
> piratebay top 10 seeder, so I'm all for cost savings, thus moving to
> centurylink the past year.
>
> Which by the way, I rather hate lec/telco's by nature, so this was
> difficult.  My doing so was purely a financial decision.  Shame Cox
> implemented data caps, I never minded paying a bit more for better service,
> but when randomly 10-20 dollars higher than normal, I got angry.
>
> Side note - business modem usage of RF spectrum isn't any different from
> residential users, you only get a different modem config file that allows
> things like tcp/25 and 80 ports, more synchronous bandwidth as mentioned,
> and that's really it.  Coming from someone working with cable modems circa
> '99 pre-docsis, their hype isn't all that besides 24/7 physical support,
> more synchronous bandwidth, and better peering (ie. local peering vs.
> California egress, some ~20ms).  Cox does however in general do a good job
> of managing bandwidth at the node level, residential or business, to keep
> things copacetic in either regard.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 2:10 AM Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> A slight additi