Re: I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux .....
I rather like using Arch linux with rolling updates, and have now about 5 years. It's not always without its pain, but mostly is great to use daily. Usually after using it for a while, installing a lot of various software outside base repos, and then updating for me has been problematic. Usually dependency recursion issues, often because community packages that are not well maintained, so hardly core arch's fault, but seems could be better. My desktop became a brick after several years with some still unknown updates, but my laptop has been great, luckily as it was my fallback, and now my everything box I work on. This compared to every 6mo-1yr with a dist release for ubuntu/deb/etc that I usually plan a long weekend or week off to update, as I know it will break things, usually badly. Arch hasn't been too bad comparatively to the past 10 years of ubuntu. When it works normally, it's great, and mostly updates with a clean os are simple if I do them often enough. Most of the folks chatting with in the arch irc seem to update weekly with no issue, whereas I update about every 6 months, which they scold me for anyways. I should if for nothing else security, but Dr's make the worst patients, and in some cases imho I have good reasons to not reboot commonly how I work. The install too is a bit complex if you're not totally comfortable in linux, but a basic install is quite easy following basic directions, or you can just use manjaro arch distro with a full desktop installer. I still like learning, so I don't mind this, and arch taught me a lot more still. I get jiggy doing full-disk encryption and custom disk setups, which even for me took a while to figure out, but once installed and booting, is easy enough to maintain outside the above comments on updates. Arch also tends to get you the latest kernel (drivers/firmware) and desktop features, which is nice vs. ubuntu being always quite dated. When I find even new software out there, it's rare I don't find a community build of it available as an easy install for arch already, which is really nice, even eww things like microsoft teams. I too am glad to help others that want to try arch on the list here or in plug irc. The arch channel irc folks can be a bit prickly, I'd recommend keeping basic questions more local. :) -mb On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 9:40 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux when I first got into Linux. > My current computer took 30 seconds to load from when it first starts > loading to GUI while arch takes about 22 seconds. Further I would have > learned about compiling the applications. It will be difficult now because > I am over 50 and my mind was not used much in my 40's. I say this to all > you young bucks out there as a warning and an encouragement to try arch > (and you old bucks who haven't wasted your mind). If you don't want to > compile stuff with arch download the ISO start it and at the > command prompt type archinstall. Another good learning tool is Linux From > Scratch. That one you compile EVERYTHING from source. The real learning for > LFS starts after you compile everything and start configuring stuff > (chapter 9). > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux .....
h I just found out why boot is so quick with arch (or at least MY arch). It is On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 1:53 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > I rather like using Arch linux with rolling updates, and have now about 5 > years. It's not always without its pain, but mostly is great to use daily. > > Usually after using it for a while, installing a lot of various software > outside base repos, and then updating for me has been problematic. Usually > dependency recursion issues, often because community packages that are not > well maintained, so hardly core arch's fault, but seems could be better. > My desktop became a brick after several years with some still unknown > updates, but my laptop has been great, luckily as it was my fallback, and > now my everything box I work on. This compared to every 6mo-1yr with a > dist release for ubuntu/deb/etc that I usually plan a long weekend or week > off to update, as I know it will break things, usually badly. Arch hasn't > been too bad comparatively to the past 10 years of ubuntu. > > When it works normally, it's great, and mostly updates with a clean os are > simple if I do them often enough. Most of the folks chatting with in the > arch irc seem to update weekly with no issue, whereas I update about every > 6 months, which they scold me for anyways. I should if for nothing else > security, but Dr's make the worst patients, and in some cases imho I have > good reasons to not reboot commonly how I work. > > The install too is a bit complex if you're not totally comfortable in > linux, but a basic install is quite easy following basic directions, or you > can just use manjaro arch distro with a full desktop installer. I still > like learning, so I don't mind this, and arch taught me a lot more still. > I get jiggy doing full-disk encryption and custom disk setups, which even > for me took a while to figure out, but once installed and booting, is easy > enough to maintain outside the above comments on updates. > > Arch also tends to get you the latest kernel (drivers/firmware) and > desktop features, which is nice vs. ubuntu being always quite dated. When > I find even new software out there, it's rare I don't find a community > build of it available as an easy install for arch already, which is really > nice, even eww things like microsoft teams. > > I too am glad to help others that want to try arch on the list here or in > plug irc. The arch channel irc folks can be a bit prickly, I'd recommend > keeping basic questions more local. :) > > -mb > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 9:40 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux when I first got into Linux. >> My current computer took 30 seconds to load from when it first starts >> loading to GUI while arch takes about 22 seconds. Further I would have >> learned about compiling the applications. It will be difficult now because >> I am over 50 and my mind was not used much in my 40's. I say this to all >> you young bucks out there as a warning and an encouragement to try arch >> (and you old bucks who haven't wasted your mind). If you don't want to >> compile stuff with arch download the ISO start it and at the >> command prompt type archinstall. Another good learning tool is Linux From >> Scratch. That one you compile EVERYTHING from source. The real learning for >> LFS starts after you compile everything and start configuring stuff >> (chapter 9). >> -- >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux .....
h I just found out why boot is so quick with arch (or at least MY arch). It is because I only have internet over the wire. It does not have wifi enabled and therefore does not have to wait to connect. I learned this today as I sit in my Wyndham researching getting wifi going so I can bring the computer with me to subsequent visits and then have two computers (laptop and NUC). On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 11:14 AM Michael wrote: > h I just found out why boot is so quick with arch (or at least MY > arch). It is > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 1:53 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > >> I rather like using Arch linux with rolling updates, and have now about 5 >> years. It's not always without its pain, but mostly is great to use daily. >> >> Usually after using it for a while, installing a lot of various software >> outside base repos, and then updating for me has been problematic. Usually >> dependency recursion issues, often because community packages that are not >> well maintained, so hardly core arch's fault, but seems could be better. >> My desktop became a brick after several years with some still unknown >> updates, but my laptop has been great, luckily as it was my fallback, and >> now my everything box I work on. This compared to every 6mo-1yr with a >> dist release for ubuntu/deb/etc that I usually plan a long weekend or week >> off to update, as I know it will break things, usually badly. Arch hasn't >> been too bad comparatively to the past 10 years of ubuntu. >> >> When it works normally, it's great, and mostly updates with a clean os >> are simple if I do them often enough. Most of the folks chatting with in >> the arch irc seem to update weekly with no issue, whereas I update about >> every 6 months, which they scold me for anyways. I should if for nothing >> else security, but Dr's make the worst patients, and in some cases imho I >> have good reasons to not reboot commonly how I work. >> >> The install too is a bit complex if you're not totally comfortable in >> linux, but a basic install is quite easy following basic directions, or you >> can just use manjaro arch distro with a full desktop installer. I still >> like learning, so I don't mind this, and arch taught me a lot more still. >> I get jiggy doing full-disk encryption and custom disk setups, which even >> for me took a while to figure out, but once installed and booting, is easy >> enough to maintain outside the above comments on updates. >> >> Arch also tends to get you the latest kernel (drivers/firmware) and >> desktop features, which is nice vs. ubuntu being always quite dated. When >> I find even new software out there, it's rare I don't find a community >> build of it available as an easy install for arch already, which is really >> nice, even eww things like microsoft teams. >> >> I too am glad to help others that want to try arch on the list here or in >> plug irc. The arch channel irc folks can be a bit prickly, I'd recommend >> keeping basic questions more local. :) >> >> -mb >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 9:40 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> I wish I would have learned about Arch Linux when I first got into >>> Linux. My current computer took 30 seconds to load from when it first >>> starts loading to GUI while arch takes about 22 seconds. Further I would >>> have learned about compiling the applications. It will be difficult now >>> because I am over 50 and my mind was not used much in my 40's. I say this >>> to all you young bucks out there as a warning and an encouragement to try >>> arch (and you old bucks who haven't wasted your mind). If you don't want to >>> compile stuff with arch download the ISO start it and at the >>> command prompt type archinstall. Another good learning tool is Linux From >>> Scratch. That one you compile EVERYTHING from source. The real learning for >>> LFS starts after you compile everything and start configuring stuff >>> (chapter 9). >>> -- >>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>> --- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
