Re: new computer

[wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss]

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Most of those computers at the recycle computer stores ar from businesses. They 
are about 3 or 4 years old and most of them has a max memory is about 16 Mbps.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 19:13, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
<[plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org](mailto:On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 19:13, 
Michael via PLUG-discuss < wrote:

> well, I'm going to get another recycled computer. A thinkcentre. From what 
> I've heard they are, at the most, 3 years old and not up to spec for windows 
> 11 (why they are in recycle). Got to love windows for that alone! Or does 
> someone have a better idea? Any one know of the top of there head how much 
> RAM maxes it out?
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:59 PM wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>> Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS
>> I have a system with over 32 gigs of DDR5 ram and the swap isn’t even used. 
>> I also have a thread ripper cpu and it runs at 5.8 gigahertz in speed on a 
>> am5 slot. But these new boards run the data through the cpu when reading and 
>> writing data to the ssd5.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:02, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss 
>> <[plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org](mailto:On+Sun,+Feb+25,+2024+at+09:02,+Bob+Elzer+via+PLUG-discuss+%3C%3Ca+href=)>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> SSD ram cache does not prevent wear and tear on your SSD, it is used stop 
>>> the bottleneck slowdown when writing lots of data to the SSD. The best way 
>>> to prevent wear and tear is system ram, if you have enough ram the system 
>>> may not even have to swap anything out, The three things that I always move 
>>> off of an SSD are swap, log files, and tmp.
>>> If you have a ddr4 motherboard with four slots. You can have 128 GB of RAM. 
>>> Right now you can get 64 GB of ddr4 RAM for around $135.
>>>
>>> What determines how much RAM you need is the programs you are running and 
>>> how much RAM they need. Video and image editing require a lot more RAM then 
>>> email and Web browsing.
>>>
>>> If you are going to use an SSD for your system drive. I would also 
>>> recommend that the minimum size be 2 TB. As long as you don't fill it up, 
>>> it has lots of room to use unused sectors to lessen the wear and tear.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 8:24 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.

 If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about 
 swap as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if 
 it still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for 
 years even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.

 On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 6:49 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss 
  wrote:

> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you 
> can set vm.swappiness to 0. This is not great since paging is quite 
> efficient these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend 
> operations and don't want to actually page unless you're under memory 
> pressure.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>> Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller 
>> than MacMinis.
>>
>> I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of 
>> SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.
>>
>> Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.
>>
>> Here’s a search on Amazon:
>>
>> https://amzn.to/3woboP0
>>
>> They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There 
>> are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.
>>
>> https://amzn.to/48wM5rv
>>
>> I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re 
>> still going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a 
>> few hundred bucks that work great.
>>
>> Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a 
>> serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. 
>> But that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily 
>> and the newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other 
>> than that, they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen 
>> iMacs and the video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. 
>> I ended up selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C 
>> expansion ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board 
>> video dies.
>>
>> Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming 
>> machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building 
>> a machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using 
>> recycled components. What’s the point?
>>
>> -David Schwartz

Re: new computer

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

well, I'm going to get another recycled computer. A thinkcentre. From what
I've heard they are, at the most, 3 years old and not up to spec for
windows 11 (why they are in recycle). Got to love windows for that alone!
Or does someone have a better idea? Any one know of the top of there head
how much RAM maxes it out?

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:59 PM wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

>
>
> Sent from Proton Mail  for iOS
> I have a system with over 32 gigs of DDR5 ram and the swap isn’t even
> used. I also have a thread ripper cpu and it runs at 5.8 gigahertz in speed
> on a am5 slot. But these new boards run the data through the cpu when
> reading and writing data to the ssd5.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:02, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
> >
> wrote:
>
> SSD ram cache does not prevent wear and tear on your SSD, it is used stop
> the bottleneck slowdown when writing lots of data to the SSD. The best way
> to prevent wear and tear is system ram, if you have enough ram the system
> may not even have to swap anything out, The three things that I always move
> off of an SSD are swap, log files, and tmp.
> If you have a ddr4 motherboard with four slots. You can have 128 GB of
> RAM. Right now you can get 64 GB of ddr4 RAM for around $135.
>
> What determines how much RAM you need is the programs you are running and
> how much RAM they need. Video and image editing require a lot more RAM then
> email and Web browsing.
>
> If you are going to use an SSD for your system drive. I would also
> recommend that the minimum size be 2 TB. As long as you don't fill it up,
> it has lots of room to use unused sectors to lessen the wear and tear.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 8:24 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.
>>
>> If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about
>> swap as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if
>> it still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for years
>> even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 6:49 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you
>>> can set vm.swappiness to 0. This is not great since paging is quite
>>> efficient these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations
>>> and don't want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
 Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re
 smaller than MacMinis.

 I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB)
 of SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.

 Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.

 Here’s a search on Amazon:

 https://amzn.to/3woboP0

 They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There
 are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.

 https://amzn.to/48wM5rv

 I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re
 still going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few
 hundred bucks that work great.

 Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a
 serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But
 that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the
 newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that,
 they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the
 video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up
 selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion
 ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.

 Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming
 machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a
 machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using
 recycled components. What’s the point?

 -David Schwartz




 On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
 plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

 I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
 single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
 gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
 use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
 it?

 --
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 ---
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Re: new computer

[wheelie207 via PLUG-discuss]

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I have a system with over 32 gigs of DDR5 ram and the swap isn’t even used. I 
also have a thread ripper cpu and it runs at 5.8 gigahertz in speed on a am5 
slot. But these new boards run the data through the cpu when reading and 
writing data to the ssd5.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:02, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss 
<[plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org](mailto:On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:02, Bob 
Elzer via PLUG-discuss < wrote:

> SSD ram cache does not prevent wear and tear on your SSD, it is used stop the 
> bottleneck slowdown when writing lots of data to the SSD. The best way to 
> prevent wear and tear is system ram, if you have enough ram the system may 
> not even have to swap anything out, The three things that I always move off 
> of an SSD are swap, log files, and tmp.
> If you have a ddr4 motherboard with four slots. You can have 128 GB of RAM. 
> Right now you can get 64 GB of ddr4 RAM for around $135.
>
> What determines how much RAM you need is the programs you are running and how 
> much RAM they need. Video and image editing require a lot more RAM then email 
> and Web browsing.
>
> If you are going to use an SSD for your system drive. I would also recommend 
> that the minimum size be 2 TB. As long as you don't fill it up, it has lots 
> of room to use unused sectors to lessen the wear and tear.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 8:24 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
>> On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.
>>
>> If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about swap 
>> as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if it 
>> still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for years 
>> even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 6:49 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you can 
>>> set vm.swappiness to 0. This is not great since paging is quite efficient 
>>> these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations and don't 
>>> want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller 
 than MacMinis.

 I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of 
 SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.

 Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.

 Here’s a search on Amazon:

 https://amzn.to/3woboP0

 They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There 
 are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.

 https://amzn.to/48wM5rv

 I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re still 
 going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few 
 hundred bucks that work great.

 Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a 
 serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But 
 that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the 
 newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than 
 that, they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs 
 and the video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended 
 up selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion 
 ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.

 Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming 
 machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a 
 machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using 
 recycled components. What’s the point?

 -David Schwartz

> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>
> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a 
> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8 
> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't 
> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in 
> it?
>
> --
>
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: new computer

[Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss]

SSD ram cache does not prevent wear and tear on your SSD, it is used stop
the bottleneck slowdown when writing lots of data to the SSD. The best way
to prevent wear and tear is system ram, if you have enough ram the system
may not even have to swap anything out, The three things that I always move
off of an SSD are swap, log files, and tmp.
 If you have a ddr4 motherboard with four slots. You can have 128 GB of
RAM. Right now you can get 64 GB of ddr4 RAM for around $135.

What determines how much RAM you need is the programs you are running and
how much RAM they need. Video and image editing require a lot more RAM then
email and Web browsing.

If you are going to use an SSD for your system drive. I would also
recommend that the minimum size be 2 TB. As long as you don't fill it up,
it has lots of room to use unused sectors to lessen the wear and tear.



On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 8:24 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.
>
> If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about
> swap as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if
> it still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for years
> even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 6:49 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you
>> can set vm.swappiness to 0.  This is not great since paging is quite
>> efficient these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations
>> and don't want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller
>>> than MacMinis.
>>>
>>> I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of
>>> SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.
>>>
>>> Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.
>>>
>>> Here’s a search on Amazon:
>>>
>>> https://amzn.to/3woboP0
>>>
>>> They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There
>>> are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.
>>>
>>> https://amzn.to/48wM5rv
>>>
>>> I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re
>>> still going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few
>>> hundred bucks that work great.
>>>
>>> Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a
>>> serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But
>>> that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the
>>> newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that,
>>> they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the
>>> video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up
>>> selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion
>>> ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.
>>>
>>> Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming
>>> machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a
>>> machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using
>>> recycled components. What’s the point?
>>>
>>> -David Schwartz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
>>> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
>>> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
>>> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
>>> it?
>>>
>>> --
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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>>
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Re: new computer

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

On my current system I am running without swap, but I do have 32gb ram.

If you pick an ssd with a ram cache on it you don't have to worry about
swap as much there. And you can extend ssd life with underprovisioning if
it still is a concern. But in reality a good quality ssd Wil last for years
even with swap in place as long as you don't run near max storage.

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 6:49 AM James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you can
> set vm.swappiness to 0.  This is not great since paging is quite efficient
> these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations and don't
> want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller
>> than MacMinis.
>>
>> I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of
>> SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.
>>
>> Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.
>>
>> Here’s a search on Amazon:
>>
>> https://amzn.to/3woboP0
>>
>> They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There
>> are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.
>>
>> https://amzn.to/48wM5rv
>>
>> I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re still
>> going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few hundred
>> bucks that work great.
>>
>> Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a
>> serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But
>> that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the
>> newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that,
>> they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the
>> video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up
>> selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion
>> ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.
>>
>> Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming
>> machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a
>> machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using
>> recycled components. What’s the point?
>>
>> -David Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
>> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
>> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
>> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
>> it?
>>
>> --
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: new computer

[James Mcphee via PLUG-discuss]

To avoid swap wearing out your ssd, if you don't have an hd handy, you can
set vm.swappiness to 0.  This is not great since paging is quite efficient
these days, but sometimes you'll want swap for suspend operations and don't
want to actually page unless you're under memory pressure.

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 3:09 PM David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller
> than MacMinis.
>
> I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of
> SSD. I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.
>
> Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.
>
> Here’s a search on Amazon:
>
> https://amzn.to/3woboP0
>
> They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There
> are cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.
>
> https://amzn.to/48wM5rv
>
> I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re still
> going strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few hundred
> bucks that work great.
>
> Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a
> serial port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But
> that doesn’t seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the
> newer one runs the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that,
> they’re still humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the
> video card in it died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up
> selling it for $375 anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion
> ports with one or more HDMI interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.
>
> Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming
> machine for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a
> machine from scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using
> recycled components. What’s the point?
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
> it?
>
> --
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: new computer

[David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss]

Check out the latest batch of Intel-based N100 Mini PCs. They’re smaller than 
MacMinis. 

I’d say a minimal configuration would be 32GB of RAM and 1TB (or 2TB) of SSD. 
I’d say an N100 is minimal CPU.

Some with AMD CPUs are cheaper as well.

Here’s a search on Amazon:

https://amzn.to/3woboP0 

They don’t sort very well; here’s the cheapest Linux box I found. There are 
cheaper ones with Windows that you can delete.

https://amzn.to/48wM5rv 

I’ve got a 2014 MacMini, a 2014 MBP, and a 2018 MacMini and they’re still going 
strong. You can find late-model used Intel MacMinis for a few hundred bucks 
that work great.

Way back in the day, the all-in-one boxes used to have problems with a serial 
port or the video going out and the whole thing would be dead. But that doesn’t 
seem to happen much any more. I use my MacMinis daily and the newer one runs 
the fan a lot when I’m watching videos, but other than that, they’re still 
humming right along. I had one of the first gen iMacs and the video card in it 
died shortly after the AppleCare expired. I ended up selling it for $375 
anyway. Today you can buy USB-3 and USB-C expansion ports with one or more HDMI 
interfaces on them if the on-board video dies.

Unless you need a super-high-power over-clocked water-cooled screaming machine 
for gaming or bitcoin mining, I cannot see the value in building a machine from 
scratch unless you’re trying to do it on the cheap using recycled components. 
What’s the point?

-David Schwartz




> On Feb 23, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
> 
> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a single 
> core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8 gig of 
> ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't use it for 
> much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in it?
> 
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Re: new computer

[Rusty Carruth via PLUG-discuss]

Which Linux distro?

Personally, 16G RAM is minimal for any 'normal' distribution.

And Dual or Quad core is actually helpful, though not nearly as much as RAM.

Don't put your swap on the SSD.  Put it on a rotator (rotating drive).  
You don't want to risk wearing out the flash on the SSD. And use no more 
than half the SSD space - a quarter is even better (again, limit wear on 
the flash in the SSD).


(What I did was put / on my SSD and /home on a 2TB rotator. on my 
laptop, along with 16G of ram - and i wish I had 32G or more ram!)  I 
should go make sure swap is on the rotator.  Hmm...


On 2/23/24 18:50, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

oh yeah. solid state drives  and I'll want to use gimp and darktable on
it.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 8:46 PM Michael  wrote:


I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
it?

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Re: new computer

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

oh yeah. solid state drives  and I'll want to use gimp and darktable on
it.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 8:46 PM Michael  wrote:

> I want a guy I know to put a computer together for me. I'm thinking a
> single core (I don't think I need more processing power than that) with 8
> gig of ram. I'm wanting to spend $3-$400. I'm an older guy now and won't
> use it for much more than web and email. What should I tell him to put in
> it?
>
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>


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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

yeah 17% faster didn't sound like much to me either.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:16 PM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> Mike, the motherboard will only have 4 slots for memory. If you use 8gb 
> sticks that means a max of 32 GB.  Memory sticks come in 4, 8, 16 and 32gb 
> sticks. The max memory on the motherboard is 128gb. If you decide you need 
> more memory than 32gb then you would have to remove some of the 8gb sticks to 
> replace them with 16 or 32gb sticks the wasting the money you spent on the 
> 8gb sticks you replaced.
>
> So in my opinion, I would  get a 16gb stick instead two ígb sticks. Thus 
> leaving room to go to 64gb in the future. Ram is always faster than nvme, SSD 
> and hdd. I don't think you will notice a 17% difference with single channel 
> mode which is ram speed.
>
> Even if you never get more than 16gb the speed difference is not that 
> noticeable.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 10:29 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I don't get it, Bob.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if you 
>> > ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the smaller 
>> > sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever think you 
>> > might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb memory stick.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> >>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> >>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>> >>> have!
>> >>> *-usb:0
>> >>>*-usbhost
>> >>> bus info: usb@1
>> >>> logical name: usb1
>> >>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>>   *-usb
>> >>>bus info: usb@1:1
>> >>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>> *-usb:1
>> >>>*-usbhost
>> >>> bus info: usb@2
>> >>> logical name: usb2
>> >>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>>   *-usb
>> >>>bus info: usb@2:1
>> >>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>>  *-usb:0
>> >>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>> >>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>> >>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>> >>>  *-usb:1
>> >>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>> >>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>> *-usb:0
>> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>> >>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>> >>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> >>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> >>> *-usb:1
>> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>> >>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> >>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> >>> *-usb:2
>> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>> >>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>> >>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> >>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> >>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>> >>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> >>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>> >>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> >>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the 
>> >>> > enclosure
>> >>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> >>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't 
>> >>> > bottle
>> >>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> >>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> >>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>> >>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell 
>> >>> > your
>> >>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> >>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen 
>> >>> > in
>> >>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Brian Cluff
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 

Re: New computer.

[Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss]

Mike, the motherboard will only have 4 slots for memory. If you use 8gb
sticks that means a max of 32 GB.  Memory sticks come in 4, 8, 16 and 32gb
sticks. The max memory on the motherboard is 128gb. If you decide you need
more memory than 32gb then you would have to remove some of the 8gb sticks
to replace them with 16 or 32gb sticks the wasting the money you spent on
the 8gb sticks you replaced.

So in my opinion, I would  get a 16gb stick instead two ígb sticks. Thus
leaving room to go to 64gb in the future. Ram is always faster than nvme,
SSD and hdd. I don't think you will notice a 17% difference with single
channel mode which is ram speed.

Even if you never get more than 16gb the speed difference is not that
noticeable.


On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 10:29 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I don't get it, Bob.
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if
> you ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the smaller
> sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever think you
> might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb memory stick.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
> >>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
> >>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
> >>> have!
> >>> *-usb:0
> >>>*-usbhost
> >>> bus info: usb@1
> >>> logical name: usb1
> >>> capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>>   *-usb
> >>>bus info: usb@1:1
> >>>capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>> *-usb:1
> >>>*-usbhost
> >>> bus info: usb@2
> >>> logical name: usb2
> >>> capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>>   *-usb
> >>>bus info: usb@2:1
> >>>capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>>  *-usb:0
> >>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
> >>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
> >>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
> >>>  *-usb:1
> >>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
> >>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>> *-usb:0
> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
> >>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
> >>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
> >>> speed=2Mbit/s
> >>> *-usb:1
> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
> >>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
> >>> speed=2Mbit/s
> >>> *-usb:2
> >>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
> >>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
> >>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
> >>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
> >>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
> >>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
> >>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
> >>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make
> it
> >>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the
> enclosure
> >>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
> >>> >
> >>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly
> to a
> >>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't
> bottle
> >>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per
> second.
> >>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> >>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
> >>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell
> your
> >>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
> >>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login
> screen in
> >>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
> >>> >
> >>> > Brian Cluff
> >>> >
> >>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of
> use.
> >>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m 

Re: New computer.

[Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss]

Looking at those tests  it seems the 17% seems to be in memory speed not
CPU speed. The biggest difference was 13 seconds for a winter compression.
I would get 2 16gb sticks instead of 2 8gb sticks then, if you don't want
the single hit. My point is if you use 8gb sticks and fill the slots to
32gb and decide you need more you wasted money on the 8gb sticks. I
personally will put 32gb sticks in my machine when I upgrade.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 9:35 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> You can do that but you will take a speed hit.  Computers these days will
> read the RAM in pairs for a speed increase.  The testing in the article
> below saw a 17.7% speed increase by using dual channel memory on some loads.
>
>
> https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/19/20 9:24 AM, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if you
> ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the smaller
> sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever think you
> might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb memory stick.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>>> have!
>>> *-usb:0
>>>*-usbhost
>>> bus info: usb@1
>>> logical name: usb1
>>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>   *-usb
>>>bus info: usb@1:1
>>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>> *-usb:1
>>>*-usbhost
>>> bus info: usb@2
>>> logical name: usb2
>>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>   *-usb
>>>bus info: usb@2:1
>>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>  *-usb:0
>>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>>  *-usb:1
>>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>>> *-usb:0
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>> *-usb:1
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>> *-usb:2
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the
>>> enclosure
>>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>>> >
>>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't
>>> bottle
>>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell
>>> your
>>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen
>>> in
>>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>>> >
>>> > Brian Cluff
>>> >
>>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of
>>> use.
>>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about
>>> doing
>>> > > with the NUC?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > >> You'll need RAM 

Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I don't get it, Bob.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 12:24 PM Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if you 
> ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the smaller 
> sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever think you might 
> like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb memory stick.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>>> have!
>>> *-usb:0
>>>*-usbhost
>>> bus info: usb@1
>>> logical name: usb1
>>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>   *-usb
>>>bus info: usb@1:1
>>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>> *-usb:1
>>>*-usbhost
>>> bus info: usb@2
>>> logical name: usb2
>>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>   *-usb
>>>bus info: usb@2:1
>>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>  *-usb:0
>>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>>  *-usb:1
>>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>>> *-usb:0
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>> *-usb:1
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>>> speed=2Mbit/s
>>> *-usb:2
>>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>>> >
>>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
>>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>>> >
>>> > Brian Cluff
>>> >
>>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>>> > > with the NUC?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>> > >  wrote:
>>> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
>>> > >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
>>> > >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
>>> > >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
>>> > >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
>>> > >> worth every cent to get it.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
>>> > >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Brian Cluff
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>>> > >>> I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
>>> > >>> chassis, motherboard, CPU, and 

Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You can do that but you will take a speed hit.  Computers these days 
will read the RAM in pairs for a speed increase.  The testing in the 
article below saw a 17.7% speed increase by using dual channel memory on 
some loads.


https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1349-ram-how-dual-channel-works-vs-single-channel

Brian Cluff

On 7/19/20 9:24 AM, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote:
My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if 
you ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the 
smaller sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever 
think you might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb 
memory stick.


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss 
> wrote:


Just an idea and ballpark cost.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:

yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered
separately.
As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
have!
        *-usb:0
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@1
                logical name: usb1
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@1:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
        *-usb:1
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@2
                logical name: usb2
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@2:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                 *-usb:0
                      bus info: usb@2:1.4
                      capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
                      configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
                 *-usb:1
                      bus info: usb@2:1.7
                      capabilities: usb-2.00
                    *-usb:0
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
                         capabilities: usb-1.10
                         configuration: driver=usbhid
maxpower=100mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:1
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
                         capabilities: usb-2.00
                         configuration: driver=usbhid
maxpower=98mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:2
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
                         capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated
scsi-host
                         configuration: driver=usb-storage
maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a
big enough
> power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could
get that
> many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive
to fail
> rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of
external
> USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply
to make it
> work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and
the enclosure
> also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully
slow.
>
> An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached
directly to a
> mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it
isn't bottle
> necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes
per second.
> Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3
seconds.  Login
> times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you
will tell your
> computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout
until you
> realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the
login screen in
> less time than your old computer could just logout.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2
years of use.
> > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking
about doing
> > with the NUC?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
> >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.

Re: New computer.

[Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss]

My only suggestion on this machine is to use a 16gb stick, just so if you
ever decide you need more memory you won't have to replace the smaller
sticks. With 16gb sticks you can have 64gb total. If you ever think you
might like to have 128gb of memory the you could get a 32gb memory stick.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:29 AM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>> have!
>> *-usb:0
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@1
>> logical name: usb1
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@1:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:1
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@2
>> logical name: usb2
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@2:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  *-usb:0
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>  *-usb:1
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:0
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:1
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:2
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >
>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >
>> > Brian Cluff
>> >
>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>> > > with the NUC?
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place
>> for
>> > >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
>> > >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your
>> OS
>> > >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster
>> than
>> > >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
>> > >> worth every cent to get it.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can
>> get a
>> > >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?
>> > >>
>> > >> Brian Cluff
>> > >>
>> > >> On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > >>> I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
>> > >>> chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein
>> the
>> > >>> hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old
>> machine
>> > >>> 

Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

yeah? I like the sound of a network attached storage unit. Actually, I
think what I'm going to do is get a single enclosure and a TB disk and
back up my home directory yearly for storage and for the year just
keeping it on my SSD.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 1:41 PM Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> The option is also to look into a nas appliance such as a synology or qnap.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:49 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure it is Brian. Thanks for the ideas Stephen. Unfortunately, my
>> finances won't swing for that so what I am thinking is to put a RAID
>> on my NUCand to run that until it dies (like all of my other
>> equipment.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 12:43 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year 
>> > or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket for 
>> > the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can drop 
>> > their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a much 
>> > much faster computer.
>> >
>> > That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a 
>> > built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.
>> >
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >
>> > Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> >> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> >> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>> >> have!
>> >> *-usb:0
>> >>*-usbhost
>> >> bus info: usb@1
>> >> logical name: usb1
>> >> capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>   *-usb
>> >>bus info: usb@1:1
>> >>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >> *-usb:1
>> >>*-usbhost
>> >> bus info: usb@2
>> >> logical name: usb2
>> >> capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>   *-usb
>> >>bus info: usb@2:1
>> >>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>  *-usb:0
>> >>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>> >>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>> >>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>> >>  *-usb:1
>> >>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>> >>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >> *-usb:0
>> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>> >>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>> >>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> >> speed=2Mbit/s
>> >> *-usb:1
>> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>> >>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>> >>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> >> speed=2Mbit/s
>> >> *-usb:2
>> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>> >>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>> >>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> >> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> >> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>> >> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> >> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>> >> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> >> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>> >> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >> >
>> >> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> >> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>> >> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> >> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> >> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>> >> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
>> >> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> >> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>> >> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian Cluff
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> >> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>> >> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>> >> > > with the 

Re: New computer.

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

The option is also to look into a nas appliance such as a synology or qnap.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:49 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> I'm sure it is Brian. Thanks for the ideas Stephen. Unfortunately, my
> finances won't swing for that so what I am thinking is to put a RAID
> on my NUCand to run that until it dies (like all of my other
> equipment.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 12:43 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>  wrote:
> >
> > That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year
> or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket for
> the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can drop
> their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a much
> much faster computer.
> >
> > That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a
> built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >
> > Just an idea and ballpark cost.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
> >> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
> >> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
> >> have!
> >> *-usb:0
> >>*-usbhost
> >> bus info: usb@1
> >> logical name: usb1
> >> capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>   *-usb
> >>bus info: usb@1:1
> >>capabilities: usb-2.00
> >> *-usb:1
> >>*-usbhost
> >> bus info: usb@2
> >> logical name: usb2
> >> capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>   *-usb
> >>bus info: usb@2:1
> >>capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>  *-usb:0
> >>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
> >>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
> >>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
> >>  *-usb:1
> >>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
> >>   capabilities: usb-2.00
> >> *-usb:0
> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
> >>  capabilities: usb-1.10
> >>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
> >> speed=2Mbit/s
> >> *-usb:1
> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
> >>  capabilities: usb-2.00
> >>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
> >> speed=2Mbit/s
> >> *-usb:2
> >>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
> >>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
> >>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
> >> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
> >> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
> >> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
> >> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
> >> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make
> it
> >> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the
> enclosure
> >> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
> >> >
> >> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to
> a
> >> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't
> bottle
> >> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per
> second.
> >> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> >> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
> >> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell
> your
> >> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
> >> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen
> in
> >> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
> >> >
> >> > Brian Cluff
> >> >
> >> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of
> use.
> >> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about
> doing
> >> > > with the NUC?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place
> for
> >> > >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
> >> > >> NVMe.  

Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I'm sure it is Brian. Thanks for the ideas Stephen. Unfortunately, my
finances won't swing for that so what I am thinking is to put a RAID
on my NUCand to run that until it dies (like all of my other
equipment.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 12:43 PM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year or 2 
> if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket for the 
> majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can drop their 
> current flagship processor into that came machine and have a much much faster 
> computer.
>
> That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a built 
> in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.
>
> Brian
>
> On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
>  wrote:
>>
>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>> have!
>> *-usb:0
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@1
>> logical name: usb1
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@1:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:1
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@2
>> logical name: usb2
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@2:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  *-usb:0
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>  *-usb:1
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:0
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:1
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:2
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >
>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >
>> > Brian Cluff
>> >
>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>> > > with the NUC?
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
>> > >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
>> > >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
>> > >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
>> > >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
>> > >> worth every cent to get it.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
>> > >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>> > >>
>> > >> 

Re: New computer.

[Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss]

I have been doing a hefty amount of research on this lately. It apparently
new computer time among my friends. It is also giving me the itch.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 9:43 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year
> or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket for
> the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can drop
> their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a much
> much faster computer.
>
> That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a
> built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.
>
> Brian
>
> On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>
> Just an idea and ballpark cost.
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
>
>> yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
>> As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
>> only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
>> have!
>> *-usb:0
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@1
>> logical name: usb1
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@1:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:1
>>*-usbhost
>> bus info: usb@2
>> logical name: usb2
>> capabilities: usb-2.00
>>   *-usb
>>bus info: usb@2:1
>>capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  *-usb:0
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.4
>>   capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
>>   configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
>>  *-usb:1
>>   bus info: usb@2:1.7
>>   capabilities: usb-2.00
>> *-usb:0
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
>>  capabilities: usb-1.10
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:1
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00
>>  configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
>> speed=2Mbit/s
>> *-usb:2
>>  bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
>>  capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
>>  configuration: driver=usb-storage
>> maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
>> > power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
>> > many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
>> > rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
>> > USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
>> > work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
>> > also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>> >
>> > An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
>> > mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
>> > necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
>> > Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
>> > instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
>> > times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
>> > computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
>> > realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
>> > less time than your old computer could just logout.
>> >
>> > Brian Cluff
>> >
>> > On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
>> > > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
>> > > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
>> > > with the NUC?
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place
>> for
>> > >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
>> > >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your
>> OS
>> > >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster
>> than
>> > >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
>> > >> worth every cent to get it.
>> > >>
>> > >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can
>> get a
>> > >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>> > >>
>> > >> 

Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

That looks like an excellent machine and the best part is that in a year 
or 2 if you want a faster system AMD likes to use the same CPU socket 
for the majority of their processors and over multiple years, so you can 
drop their current flagship processor into that came machine and have a 
much much faster computer.


That's also a good machine since the processor that Stephen chose has a 
built in GPU that is almost certainly more powerful than your current GPU.


Brian

On 7/18/20 7:47 AM, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Just an idea and ballpark cost.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss 
> wrote:


yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
have!
        *-usb:0
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@1
                logical name: usb1
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@1:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
        *-usb:1
           *-usbhost
                bus info: usb@2
                logical name: usb2
                capabilities: usb-2.00
              *-usb
                   bus info: usb@2:1
                   capabilities: usb-2.00
                 *-usb:0
                      bus info: usb@2:1.4
                      capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
                      configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
                 *-usb:1
                      bus info: usb@2:1.7
                      capabilities: usb-2.00
                    *-usb:0
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
                         capabilities: usb-1.10
                         configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:1
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
                         capabilities: usb-2.00
                         configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
speed=2Mbit/s
                    *-usb:2
                         bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
                         capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated
scsi-host
                         configuration: driver=usb-storage
maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
>
> It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
> power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get
that
> many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
> rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of
external
> USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to
make it
> work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the
enclosure
> also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>
> An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached
directly to a
> mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it
isn't bottle
> necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per
second.
> Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
> times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will
tell your
> computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout
until you
> realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login
screen in
> less time than your old computer could just logout.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years
of use.
> > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking
about doing
> > with the NUC?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> > mailto:plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>> wrote:
> >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
> >>
> >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a
place for
> >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at
least one
> >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at
least your OS
> >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times
faster than
> >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it
will be
> >> worth every cent to get it.
> >>
> >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You
can get a
> >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
> >>
> >> BTW  What's the price range you 

Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

yeah? I was planning on doing the enclosure thing powered separately.
As for whether my USBs are 1 or 2 lshw|grep us seems to indicate I
only have USB2. But you know what they say play with what you
have!
*-usb:0
   *-usbhost
bus info: usb@1
logical name: usb1
capabilities: usb-2.00
  *-usb
   bus info: usb@1:1
   capabilities: usb-2.00
*-usb:1
   *-usbhost
bus info: usb@2
logical name: usb2
capabilities: usb-2.00
  *-usb
   bus info: usb@2:1
   capabilities: usb-2.00
 *-usb:0
  bus info: usb@2:1.4
  capabilities: bluetooth usb-2.00
  configuration: driver=btusb speed=12Mbit/s
 *-usb:1
  bus info: usb@2:1.7
  capabilities: usb-2.00
*-usb:0
 bus info: usb@2:1.7.2
 capabilities: usb-1.10
 configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=100mA
speed=2Mbit/s
*-usb:1
 bus info: usb@2:1.7.3
 capabilities: usb-2.00
 configuration: driver=usbhid maxpower=98mA
speed=2Mbit/s
*-usb:2
 bus info: usb@2:1.7.4
 capabilities: usb-2.00 scsi emulated scsi-host
 configuration: driver=usb-storage
maxpower=100mA speed=480Mbit/s

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:21 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough
> power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that
> many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail
> rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external
> USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it
> work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure
> also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.
>
> An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a
> mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle
> necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.
> Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen
> instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login
> times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your
> computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you
> realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in
> less time than your old computer could just logout.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
> > What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
> > with the NUC?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
> >  wrote:
> >> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
> >>
> >> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
> >> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
> >> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
> >> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
> >> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
> >> worth every cent to get it.
> >>
> >> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
> >> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
> >>
> >> BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?
> >>
> >> Brian Cluff
> >>
> >> On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> >>> I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
> >>> chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
> >>> hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
> >>> (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
>  Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
>  going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
>  together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
>  motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
>  in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
>  were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the 
>  sales?
> 
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Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

It's a good idea, however I don't think a NUC will have a big enough 
power supply to support that many hard drives.  If you could get that 
many attached to it, it would probably cause the hard drive to fail 
rather quickly on a NUC.  You would need to get some sort of external 
USB attached hard drive enclosure with it's own power supply to make it 
work right.  I would only do that if your NUC has USB3 and the enclosure 
also is USB3.   USB2 would just make your storage painfully slow.


An NVMe is a new kind of SSD that is essentially attached directly to a 
mini PCIe port.  Since it can be accessed at PCIe speeds it isn't bottle 
necked by the SATA bus, so the read speeds are in gigabytes per second.  
Or in other words it makes everything hard drive related happen 
instantly.  Boot times are usually less that 2 to 3 seconds.  Login 
times are virtually instant.  When you first get one, you will tell your 
computer to reboot and then wonder why al lt did was logout until you 
realize that it completely shut down and rebooted to the login screen in 
less time than your old computer could just logout.


Brian Cluff

On 7/18/20 12:35 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
with the NUC?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:

You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.

I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
worth every cent to get it.

I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.

BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?

Brian Cluff

On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
(got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:

Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the sales?

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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

Thanks Brian. The hard drive is actually only 5yo with 2 years of use.
What is a NVMe? What do you think about what I';m thinking about doing
with the NUC?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 AM Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss
 wrote:
>
> You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.
>
> I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for
> at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one
> NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS
> on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than
> if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be
> worth every cent to get it.
>
> I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a
> whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.
>
> BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:
> > I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
> > chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
> > hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
> > (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
> >> Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> >> going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> >> together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> >> motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> >> in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> >> were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the 
> >> sales?
> >>
> >> --
> >> :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> >
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Re: New computer.

[Brian Cluff via PLUG-discuss]

You'll need RAM too... didn't see that in the list.

I would also make sure that you get a motherboard that has a place for 
at least 1 NVMe.  Then I would recommend that you get at least one 
NVMe.  It doesn't have to be huge, but if you can put at least your OS 
on the NVMe, it will make your whole machine feel 50 times faster than 
if you keep using a 10 year old hard drive Trust me, it will be 
worth every cent to get it.


I would also recommend getting an AMD machine right now.  You can get a 
whole lot more for your money right now with AMD.


BTW  What's the price range you are looking at spending?

Brian Cluff

On 7/17/20 11:11 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote:

I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
(got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:

Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the sales?

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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I was lying in bed and my head was spinning with all I had read when
it occurred to me that a raid array may only be for storage. Is that
so? You know I might get off cheap if so! If it is only for storage I
will put the array on my little NUC and be done with it. I'll use the
array (which will be comprised of HDs)for my business and the SSD in
the NUC for my personal computer. Yeah! That sounds like a plan/

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:54 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> h, I just read in an article from 2015 that ssds and raid5 aren't
> good together because the ssd wears more quickly. Is that still the
> case in 2020?
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:22 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > and then I'll gradually get three ssd's so I can do a raid array. Are
> > there any special requirements to do that (like the drives need to be
> > the same size)?
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:11 AM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
> > > chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
> > > hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
> > > (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> > > > going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> > > > together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> > > > motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> > > > in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> > > > were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the 
> > > > sales?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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>
>
>
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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

h, I just read in an article from 2015 that ssds and raid5 aren't
good together because the ssd wears more quickly. Is that still the
case in 2020?


On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:22 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> and then I'll gradually get three ssd's so I can do a raid array. Are
> there any special requirements to do that (like the drives need to be
> the same size)?
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:11 AM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
> > chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
> > hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
> > (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> > > going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> > > together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> > > motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> > > in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> > > were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the 
> > > sales?
> > >
> > > --
> > > :-)~MIKE~(-:
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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>
>
>
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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

and then I'll gradually get three ssd's so I can do a raid array. Are
there any special requirements to do that (like the drives need to be
the same size)?

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:11 AM Michael  wrote:
>
> I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
> chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
> hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
> (got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
> >
> > Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> > going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> > together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> > motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> > in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> > were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the 
> > sales?
> >
> > --
> > :-)~MIKE~(-:
>
>
>
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Re: New computer.

[Michael via PLUG-discuss]

I think I figured out what I want to do. I'm going to buy a
chassis, motherboard, CPU, and power supply and then frankenstein the
hard drive, the wireless card, and the video card from the old machine
(got to do this as cheaply as I can). What else could I frankenstein?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:25 PM Michael  wrote:
>
> Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the sales?
>
> --
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Re: New computer.

[Phil Waclawski via PLUG-discuss]

Really depends on what you want. I'm putting together a new computer and I
ordered almost everything from Newegg

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 7:26 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss <
plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:

> Wellp, I am going to do something I never have done before. I'm
> going to get a new computer. Well I think I'll have one put
> together I'll put it together. Where would go to get a chassis and
> motherboard then I'll put all of the other guts in. Is such an animal
> in existence?I thought of another NUC but they aren't like what they
> were. Should I wait until black Friday and get a windows machine in the
> sales?
>
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Re: New computer.

[Todd Cole]

http://www.resellelectronics.com/  is a local company part of westech
recycling all of their used computers have Ubuntu or Linux Mint
Pre-installed and available direct or on ebay

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Thanks Guys. I appreciate all the input. she ordered a Chromebook today on
> your recommendations.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Phil Waclawski  > wrote:
>
>> There are also the folks at feature marketing. They do pretty affordable
>> refurbished laptops that are usually pretty Linux friendly. I just got an
>> i5 3rd gen with 8gigs of RAM, a 240g SSD for under $300, even has an older
>> Radeon GPU in it.
>>
>> Phil Waclawski
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Stephen Partington <
>> cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> so a tool to consider is keypass or lastpass. Lastpass will crawl your
>>> browsers and extract all of the passwords and save them in an online vault.
>>> from there you can install a helper for IE, Firefox, Edge, chrome that
>>> allows you access to them. In addition you can sync these via website or
>>> mobile app on the phone.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't do craigslist for machines unless you wnated to be dealing
>>> with it frequently, but something to consider is the Amazon refurbs you can
>>> get a pretty decent newer laptop for anywhere from 150-400 pretty easy.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Mark Phillips <
>>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>>
 Michael,

 If she has a cell phone and cellular service, she probably has a web
 connection - most phones can become a personal hotspot for laptops or
 tablets.

 Mark

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
> connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
> web. like asa park or something.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Brian.
>>> What computer do you all recommend ?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from
 ie.  Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both 
 computers.

 On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> if it is saved in ie.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle <
>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
>>> credential manager?   Take a look at these
>>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>>
>>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
>>> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do
 anything like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so 
 she wants
 to give linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which 
 computer do
 you recommend.

 On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
 passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she 
 wanted to
 remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to 
 change her
 passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this 
 true? If
 not how do I retrieve the passwords?

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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

Thanks Guys. I appreciate all the input. she ordered a Chromebook today on
your recommendations.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Phil Waclawski 
wrote:

> There are also the folks at feature marketing. They do pretty affordable
> refurbished laptops that are usually pretty Linux friendly. I just got an
> i5 3rd gen with 8gigs of RAM, a 240g SSD for under $300, even has an older
> Radeon GPU in it.
>
> Phil Waclawski
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Stephen Partington  > wrote:
>
>> so a tool to consider is keypass or lastpass. Lastpass will crawl your
>> browsers and extract all of the passwords and save them in an online vault.
>> from there you can install a helper for IE, Firefox, Edge, chrome that
>> allows you access to them. In addition you can sync these via website or
>> mobile app on the phone.
>>
>> I wouldn't do craigslist for machines unless you wnated to be dealing
>> with it frequently, but something to consider is the Amazon refurbs you can
>> get a pretty decent newer laptop for anywhere from 150-400 pretty easy.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Mark Phillips <
>> m...@phillipsmarketing.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> If she has a cell phone and cellular service, she probably has a web
>>> connection - most phones can become a personal hotspot for laptops or
>>> tablets.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
 connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
 web. like asa park or something.

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> thanks Brian.
>> What computer do you all recommend ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from
>>> ie.  Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both 
>>> computers.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 if it is saved in ie.

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle  > wrote:
>
>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
>> credential manager?   Take a look at these
>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>
>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
>> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do
>>> anything like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so 
>>> she wants
>>> to give linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which 
>>> computer do
>>> you recommend.
>>>
>>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she 
>>> wanted to
>>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change 
>>> her
>>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this 
>>> true? If
>>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>>>
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Re: New computer.

[Phil Waclawski]

There are also the folks at feature marketing. They do pretty affordable
refurbished laptops that are usually pretty Linux friendly. I just got an
i5 3rd gen with 8gigs of RAM, a 240g SSD for under $300, even has an older
Radeon GPU in it.

Phil Waclawski

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> so a tool to consider is keypass or lastpass. Lastpass will crawl your
> browsers and extract all of the passwords and save them in an online vault.
> from there you can install a helper for IE, Firefox, Edge, chrome that
> allows you access to them. In addition you can sync these via website or
> mobile app on the phone.
>
> I wouldn't do craigslist for machines unless you wnated to be dealing with
> it frequently, but something to consider is the Amazon refurbs you can get
> a pretty decent newer laptop for anywhere from 150-400 pretty easy.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Mark Phillips  > wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> If she has a cell phone and cellular service, she probably has a web
>> connection - most phones can become a personal hotspot for laptops or
>> tablets.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
>>> connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
>>> web. like asa park or something.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:

> thanks Brian.
> What computer do you all recommend ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
> wrote:
>
>> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
>> Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> if it is saved in ie.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 Is there a way to get them into Linux?


 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
 wrote:

> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
> credential manager?   Take a look at these
> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>
> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do
>> anything like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so 
>> she wants
>> to give linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which 
>> computer do
>> you recommend.
>>
>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she 
>> wanted to
>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change 
>> her
>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this 
>> true? If
>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>>
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Re: New computer.

[Stephen Partington]

so a tool to consider is keypass or lastpass. Lastpass will crawl your
browsers and extract all of the passwords and save them in an online vault.
from there you can install a helper for IE, Firefox, Edge, chrome that
allows you access to them. In addition you can sync these via website or
mobile app on the phone.

I wouldn't do craigslist for machines unless you wnated to be dealing with
it frequently, but something to consider is the Amazon refurbs you can get
a pretty decent newer laptop for anywhere from 150-400 pretty easy.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> If she has a cell phone and cellular service, she probably has a web
> connection - most phones can become a personal hotspot for laptops or
> tablets.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
>> connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
>> web. like asa park or something.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 thanks Brian.
 What computer do you all recommend ?

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
 wrote:

> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
> Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> if it is saved in ie.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
 credential manager?   Take a look at these
 http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html

 If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
 gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.

 On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
> like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to 
> give
> linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
> recommend.
>
> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she 
> wanted to
> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change 
> her
> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? 
> If
> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>
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Re: New computer.

[Mark Phillips]

Michael,

If she has a cell phone and cellular service, she probably has a web
connection - most phones can become a personal hotspot for laptops or
tablets.

Mark

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
> connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
> web. like asa park or something.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Brian.
>>> What computer do you all recommend ?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
 Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.

 On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> if it is saved in ie.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
>>> credential manager?   Take a look at these
>>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>>
>>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
>>> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
 like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to 
 give
 linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
 recommend.

 On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
 passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted 
 to
 remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
 passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? 
 If
 not how do I retrieve the passwords?

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Re: New computer.

[Mark Phillips]

Michael,

I think we need a little more information how your girlfriend uses her
computer. Just surfing the net and email - then maybe a Chromebook (I have
never used one, but they are inexpensive and seem to be focused on web
browsing and email.). Does she need to do office work - documents,
spreadsheets, power point, etc? Then something with more processing speed
and memory is needed. I am going to spitball a little here, but maybe a
Core i5 and a couple of gigs of memory? I could be way off as I always buy
more CPU and RAM than I think I need as I always end up needing it! How
portable does it have to be? Maybe she really wants a tablet and a small
usb keyboard? Play with the latest at Best Buy, then shop online for better
deals.

Since you want Linux, check out Craig's List for some older Windows
machines. Maybe a Dell Core i5 or i7. Figure into your total cost adding
more RAM and a larger hard drive (to replace the aging drive that comes
with the machine) that you buy online. I have had good luck installing
Linux on older Dell laptops. However, caveat emptor - do your homework on
any laptop you want to make sure there aren't any hidden issues with
installing Linux. Check the Linux laptop database, look at the issues
people ran into wiping Windows and installing Linux and be very sure you
are comfortable with the installation procedures. There are lots of recipes
for installing Linux on older laptops in the net. Or, time the purchase
with an InstallFest and get the experts to help you! ;) But still make sure
there are drivers for all the hardware before you buy! Or your girlfriend
will be disappointed when her sound or bluetooth or network does not
workand never never disappoint your girlfriend! ;)

Finally, really spoil her with a new laptop from System 76 - Ubuntu 16.04
fully installed, great support, great hardware based on my experience of
buying on laptop from them! (I am not affiliated with System 76 in any way).

As far as passwords go, I suggest investing in a good password manager like
Lastpass or KeePass2. KeePass2 stores the passwords locally, but you can
easily move the data file to a new computer - works with Windows and Linux.
Lastpass stores the passwords in the cloud, so new computers are not an
issue. There are plugins for Firefox, chrome, etc. All you need to remember
is one big password to unlock your password vault, and both programs will
automatically fill in user name password fields for web sites, so you can
update all your passwords to 64 character mosnters and never have to
remember them. I use both of these on Linux on a daily basis and like them.

Good luck!

Mark

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> thanks Brian.
>> What computer do you all recommend ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
>>> Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 if it is saved in ie.

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
> wrote:
>
>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
>> credential manager?   Take a look at these
>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>
>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
>> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
>>> like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to 
>>> give
>>> linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
>>> recommend.
>>>
>>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted 
>>> to
>>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
>>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
>>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>>>
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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

yeah, that;s what I thought. but to access anything you need a web
connection. hat if she wants to work on something where there is no
web. like asa park or something.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> thanks Brian.
>> What computer do you all recommend ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
>>> Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 if it is saved in ie.

 On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
> wrote:
>
>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
>> credential manager?   Take a look at these
>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>
>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your
>> gmail or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
>>> like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to 
>>> give
>>> linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
>>> recommend.
>>>
>>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted 
>>> to
>>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
>>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
>>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
>>>
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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

Forgot to mention she wants a laptop.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Michael  wrote:

> thanks Brian.
> What computer do you all recommend ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:
>
>> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.
>> Then sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> if it is saved in ie.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>>
 Is there a way to get them into Linux?


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 wrote:

> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows
> credential manager?   Take a look at these
> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>
> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail
> or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
>> like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to 
>> give
>> linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
>> recommend.
>>
>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
>> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to
>> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
>> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
>> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

thanks Brian.
What computer do you all recommend ?

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:

> Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.  Then
> sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> if it is saved in ie.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
 manager?   Take a look at these
 http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html

 If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail
 or Firefox account to get the passwords over.

 On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything
> like programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give
> linux a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you
> recommend.
>
> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
> passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to
> remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
> passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
> not how do I retrieve the passwords?
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Re: New computer.

[Brien Dieterle]

Try installing chrome or Firefox and importing the settings from ie.  Then
sync to your Google account or Firefox account on both computers.

On Jul 23, 2017 8:11 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> if it is saved in ie.
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
>>> manager?   Take a look at these
>>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>>
>>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail
>>> or Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>>
 My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
 programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
 a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.

 On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved
 passwords. I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to
 remain a windows user but that most likely she would have to change her
 passwords if she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If
 not how do I retrieve the passwords?

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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

if it is saved in ie.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Michael  wrote:

> Is there a way to get them into Linux?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:
>
>> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
>> manager?   Take a look at these
>> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>>
>> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail or
>> Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
>>> programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
>>> a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.
>>>
>>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved passwords.
>>> I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to remain a
>>> windows user but that most likely she would have to change her passwords if
>>> she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If not how do I
>>> retrieve the passwords?
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Re: New computer.

[Michael]

Is there a way to get them into Linux?


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Brien Dieterle  wrote:

> Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
> manager?   Take a look at these
> http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html
>
> If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail or
> Firefox account to get the passwords over.
>
> On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
>> programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
>> a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.
>>
>> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved passwords.
>> I told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to remain a
>> windows user but that most likely she would have to change her passwords if
>> she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If not how do I
>> retrieve the passwords?
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Re: New computer.

[Brien Dieterle]

Are the password saved in internet explorer? Chrome? Windows credential
manager?   Take a look at these
http://www.nirsoft.net/password_recovery_tools.html

If they are saved in chrome or Firefox you can just sync to your gmail or
Firefox account to get the passwords over.

On Jul 23, 2017 7:22 AM, "Michael"  wrote:

> My girlfriend wants to get a new computer. She doesn't do anything like
> programming and she is strictly a web-based user so she wants to give linux
> a whirl because of the security it offers. Which computer do you recommend.
>
> On a side note she asked if there was a way to copy her saved passwords. I
> told her that there might be a way to do so if she wanted to remain a
> windows user but that most likely she would have to change her passwords if
> she turned to the light side of the force. Is this true? If not how do I
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Re: new computer

[Michael Havens]

thank you very much.

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On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Matt Graham mhgra...@crow202.org wrote:

 On , Michael Havens wrote:

 a bit ago there was a rumor that a computers hardware was going to
 become dependent on the operating system. Has that happened yet.
 will I have a problem installing Linux on a new computer?


 What you're probably talking about is Secure Boot, and if you search for
 secure boot linux, you get articles like http://www.zdnet.com/more-
 experiments-with-linux-only-uefi-secure-boot-installation-714095/ ,
 which say there should be no problems with current hardware.

 (Of course, future hardware may not allow you to disable Secure Boot, and
 future hardware may refuse to recognize the Redhat-signed bootloader, but
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