Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Thanks Steve!! On 2022-11-16 12:26, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:23:45 -0700 any suggestions on a distro to try for my desktop for testing VirtualBox only? Try Void Linux. It's very different from all the Debian-derived distros you've used so far, so it might produce different results or deliver different insights. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Thanks Nathan, I was unable to ping Google.com. Did not try it by IP. Keith On 2022-11-16 10:58, Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss wrote: On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 9:48:27 AM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-11-16 07:50, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Run the command route -n > and check the gateway IP, it should be pointing to your Internet > router. It does. They do. But no access to the Internet. Does no internet access mean ping google.com fails, and ping 8.8.8.8 fails? Sorry if I missed it, but I can't recall if pinging worked or not. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
techli...@phpcoderusa.com said on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 07:23:45 -0700 >any suggestions >on a distro to try for my desktop for testing VirtualBox only? Try Void Linux. It's very different from all the Debian-derived distros you've used so far, so it might produce different results or deliver different insights. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 9:48:27 AM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On 2022-11-16 07:50, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Run the command route -n > > and check the gateway IP, it should be pointing to your Internet > > router. > > It does. > > They do. But no access to the Internet. > Does no internet access mean ping google.com fails, and ping 8.8.8.8 fails? Sorry if I missed it, but I can't recall if pinging worked or not. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Thanks Nathan!! sudo ufw status Status: inactive same for VM and host machine. Keith On 2022-11-15 22:09, Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Keith, I'm stretching here... Sounds to me like the firewall may be causing issues with the bridge, or maybe ip forwarding is not enabled? Try turning off the firewall completely and see if there is a difference? I think Ubuntu uses ufw? So try sudo ufw stop or sudo ufw disable Then reboot. You can also try ip forwarding sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 I don't think you need to reboot after this as it happens immediately. Try this before and after the firewall disable. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:19:21 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. Problem persists. Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be an easy process. Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
On 2022-11-16 07:50, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: Run the command route -n and check the gateway IP, it should be pointing to your Internet router. It does. Check on your real machine and on the VM It has the correct gateway. Then check on the VM machine when you're running in NAT mode gateway is 10.0.2.2 I'm curious how the NAT mode gets out In bridged mode, both machines should point to the Internet router They do. But no access to the Internet. On Wed, Nov 16, 2022, 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: On 2022-11-15 22:09, Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Keith, I'm stretching here... Sounds to me like the firewall may be causing issues with the bridge, or maybe ip forwarding is not enabled? Try turning off the firewall completely and see if there is a difference? I think Ubuntu uses ufw? Definitely something is blocking access to the internet when in bridged mode. I checked ufw and it was disabled. I'll check again. Thanks!! So try sudo ufw stop or sudo ufw disable Then reboot. You can also try ip forwarding sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 I don't think you need to reboot after this as it happens immediately. Try this before and after the firewall disable. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:19:21 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. Problem persists. Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be an easy process. Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
I'm just wondering, after you installed VirtualBox, did you happen to restart your computer? There's a couple of kernel modules that are added via DKMS when you install VirtualBox, mostly having to do with networking. I suspect that NAT may work without these kernel modules, kind of like how KVM user-mode networking works, but I'm certain those drivers would be needed for bridged networking as it effectively bypasses Linux's network stack to make like a virtual network adapter. So, if you've been doing all this without rebooting, reboot and try again to see if that helps. On Wed, Nov 16, 2022, at 7:23 AM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > I find this behavior odd. If I install Linux on a laptop or desktop > Linux's config is what matters. And that is what I was expecting from > VirtualBox. VirtualBox does things that actually interfere. I'm sure > it has all these features for a reason. I was expecting to Install > Linux and be on with my life. I might have spent 20 hours on this > project. And I expect to spend more time on it. Hopefully I will be > done with it by tonight. > > I want to try another flavor of Linux on my desktop (another old > laptop), probably Mint... I know it is also Debian... any suggestions on > a distro to try for my desktop for testing VirtualBox only? Id another > distro works than it might be something within Kubuntu. > > > > > On 2022-11-15 23:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:30:14 -0700 > > > > > >> If you're local IP address was 192, where did the 10 address come > >> from? > > > > If VirtualBox is anything like Qemu, the 10 is because the default > > behavior is to NAT the VM guest to 10.whatever. In Qemu this behavior > > can be changed, as documented at > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm . I think it's probable > > you can do the same thing with VirtualBox. > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Run the command route -n and check the gateway IP, it should be pointing to your Internet router. Check on your real machine and on the VM Then check on the VM machine when you're running in NAT mode I'm curious how the NAT mode gets out In bridged mode, both machines should point to the Internet router On Wed, Nov 16, 2022, 7:15 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On 2022-11-15 22:09, Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Keith, > > I'm stretching here... > > > > Sounds to me like the firewall may be causing issues with the bridge, > > or maybe ip forwarding is not enabled? Try turning off the firewall > > completely and see if there is a difference? I think Ubuntu uses ufw? > > Definitely something is blocking access to the internet when in bridged > mode. I checked ufw and it was disabled. I'll check again. > > Thanks!! > > > > So try > > sudo ufw stop > > > > or > > > > sudo ufw disable > > Then reboot. > > You can also try ip forwarding > > sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 > > I don't think you need to reboot after this as it happens immediately. > > Try this before and after the firewall disable. > > > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:19:21 PM CST Keith Smith via > > PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I > > dowloaded > > > >> from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. > > > >> > > > >> I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. > > > >> > > > >> Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. > > > >> > > > >> Problem persists. > > > >> > > > >> Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu > > > > > >> 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could > > ping > > > >> it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet > > aware. > > > >> > > > >> Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure > > should be > > > >> an easy process. > > > >> > > > >> Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The > > > >> Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. > > Any > > > >> thoughts are much appreciated. > > > >> > > > >> Keith > > > >> --- > > > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
I find this behavior odd. If I install Linux on a laptop or desktop Linux's config is what matters. And that is what I was expecting from VirtualBox. VirtualBox does things that actually interfere. I'm sure it has all these features for a reason. I was expecting to Install Linux and be on with my life. I might have spent 20 hours on this project. And I expect to spend more time on it. Hopefully I will be done with it by tonight. I want to try another flavor of Linux on my desktop (another old laptop), probably Mint... I know it is also Debian... any suggestions on a distro to try for my desktop for testing VirtualBox only? Id another distro works than it might be something within Kubuntu. On 2022-11-15 23:54, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:30:14 -0700 If you're local IP address was 192, where did the 10 address come from? If VirtualBox is anything like Qemu, the 10 is because the default behavior is to NAT the VM guest to 10.whatever. In Qemu this behavior can be changed, as documented at http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm . I think it's probable you can do the same thing with VirtualBox. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
On 2022-11-15 22:09, Nathan O'Brennan via PLUG-discuss wrote: Keith, I'm stretching here... Sounds to me like the firewall may be causing issues with the bridge, or maybe ip forwarding is not enabled? Try turning off the firewall completely and see if there is a difference? I think Ubuntu uses ufw? Definitely something is blocking access to the internet when in bridged mode. I checked ufw and it was disabled. I'll check again. Thanks!! So try sudo ufw stop or sudo ufw disable Then reboot. You can also try ip forwarding sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 I don't think you need to reboot after this as it happens immediately. Try this before and after the firewall disable. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:19:21 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. Problem persists. Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be an easy process. Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
On 2022-11-15 21:30, Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss wrote: If you're using DHCP to get your IP address who's giving it out and what are the IP addresses? I assume the DHCP IP is coming from my Internet router. If you're local IP address was 192, where did the 10 address come from? The IP 10.x.x.x is configured by VirtualBox On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:19 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: Hi, I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. Problem persists. Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be an easy process. Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Bob Elzer via PLUG-discuss said on Tue, 15 Nov 2022 21:30:14 -0700 >If you're local IP address was 192, where did the 10 address come from? If VirtualBox is anything like Qemu, the 10 is because the default behavior is to NAT the VM guest to 10.whatever. In Qemu this behavior can be changed, as documented at http://troubleshooters.com/linux/qemu/nobs.htm . I think it's probable you can do the same thing with VirtualBox. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
Keith, I'm stretching here... Sounds to me like the firewall may be causing issues with the bridge, or maybe ip forwarding is not enabled? Try turning off the firewall completely and see if there is a difference? I think Ubuntu uses ufw? So try sudo ufw stop or sudo ufw disable Then reboot. You can also try ip forwarding sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 I don't think you need to reboot after this as it happens immediately. Try this before and after the firewall disable. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:19:21 PM CST Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > Hi, > > I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded > from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. > > I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. > > Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. > > Problem persists. > > Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu > 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping > it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. > > Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be > an easy process. > > Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The > Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any > thoughts are much appreciated. > > Keith > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: VirtualBox Update 11/15/22
If you're using DHCP to get your IP address who's giving it out and what are the IP addresses? If you're local IP address was 192, where did the 10 address come from? On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 7:19 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I uninstalled VirtualBox 7.0 that I installed from a .deb I dowloaded > from the website on my Kubuntu 22.04 box. > > I installed VB through the use of the GUI. It was version 6.1. > > Installed Ubuntu server 20.04 and set the network to bridged. > > Problem persists. > > Broke out my Win 10 laptop and installed VB on it. Created a Ubuntu > 20.04 VM and change the network to Bridged and it worked. I could ping > it from my win box on my local net and the Ubuntu VM was Internet aware. > > Not sure what this proves other than the install and configure should be > an easy process. > > Something is not right on my Kubuntu/VB/Ubuntu server setup. The > Kubuntu seems to be blocking the VM from accessing the Internet. Any > thoughts are much appreciated. > > Keith > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list: PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
