Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

Nice will work nicely!
I think I should have apt run at 0400 hours.
 I just relooked at the man page and don't know if it is what I want.
Like I said I want it to run at 4AM. I think nice just makes it take a less
prioritized position.

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On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

>
> I think crontab -e is the user crontab.  In other words it will edit the
> current user's crontab.  I think I have just used vi to edit they system
> crontab.
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-21 19:04, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> I thought that was a good idea!
>>
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
>> no crontab for bmike1
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
>> no crontab for root
>> bmike1@c521 ~ $
>>
>> But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run
>> under.
>> So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the
>> man for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
>> which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
>> and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/
>>
>> So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the
>> web. It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
>> So I tried:
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
>>
>> and
>>
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1
>> /etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e
>>
>> all of which responded with:
>> crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
>> usage: crontab [-u user] file
>>  crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
>>  (default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
>>  -e (edit user's crontab)
>>  -l (list user's crontab)
>>  -r (delete user's crontab)
>>  -i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
>> bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
>> so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
>> sudo CRONTAB -E bmike1
>>
>> which gave the same error.
>> So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
>>> for a bit while that occurs. I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
>>> installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
>>> half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
>>> then swap and thus disks too. I finally just disabled it, and
>>> shortly thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it
>>> obviously had outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.
>>>
>>> You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
>>> slam the system. Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
>>> the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.
>>>
>>> -mb
>>>
>>> On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>>
>>> the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out
>>>> what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But
>>>> it couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top
>>>> again and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen
>>>> minutes. Am I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill
>>>> if this happens again?
>>>>
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Re: memory usage

[Keith Smith]

I think crontab -e is the user crontab.  In other words it will edit the 
current user's crontab.  I think I have just used vi to edit they system 
crontab.




On 2015-09-21 19:04, Michael Havens wrote:

I thought that was a good idea!

bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
no crontab for bmike1
bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
no crontab for root
bmike1@c521 ~ $

But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run
under.
So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the
man for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/

So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the
web. It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
So I tried:
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e

and

bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1
/etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e

all of which responded with:
crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
usage: crontab [-u user] file
 crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
 (default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
 -e (edit user's crontab)
 -l (list user's crontab)
 -r (delete user's crontab)
 -i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
sudo CRONTAB -E bmike1
which gave the same error.
So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash 
wrote:


I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
for a bit while that occurs. I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
then swap and thus disks too. I finally just disabled it, and
shortly thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it
obviously had outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.

You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
slam the system. Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.

-mb

On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:


the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But
it couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top
again and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen
minutes. Am I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill
if this happens again?


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Re: memory usage

[Keith Smith]

Look at the command "nice" to see if that will help.

On 2015-09-21 18:19, Michael Butash wrote:

I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system
for a bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu
installed that the apt update would hang the system for like a
half-hour with an old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory,
then swap and thus disks too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly
thereafter retired the outdated system itself that it obviously had
outlived its usefulness vs. power drawn.

You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will
slam the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting
the update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.

-mb


On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out 
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it 
couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again 
and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am 
I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens 
again?


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Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

I thought that was a good idea!

bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 -l
no crontab for bmike1
bmike1@c521 ~ $ sudo crontab -u root -l
no crontab for root
bmike1@c521 ~ $

But not in my case. Unless of course there is another user it is run under.
So the mouse wheel in my mind started to creak. So I inspected the man
for crontab which inspired  me to cat /etc/cron*
which lead me down the path to ls /etc/cron.daily/
and in that directory is a file! /etc/cron.daily/apt/

So How to edit the file? Ask PLUG or ask the web? I opted to ask the web.
It told me: edit crontab with crontab -e
So I tried:
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab -e /etc/cron.daily/apt
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt -e
and
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $ sudo crontab -u bmike1 /etc/cron.daily/apt/ -e
all of which responded with:
crontab: usage error: no arguments permitted after this option
usage: crontab [-u user] file
crontab [ -u user ] [ -i ] { -e | -l | -r }
(default operation is replace, per 1003.2)
-e (edit user's crontab)
-l (list user's crontab)
-r (delete user's crontab)
-i (prompt before deleting user's crontab)
bmike1@c521 /etc/cron.daily $
so I looked a little more in the web and so tried:
sudo *crontab -e* bmike1
which gave the same error.
So now I need to ask what I'm doing wrong.


On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system for a
> bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu installed that
> the apt update would hang the system for like a half-hour with an old
> 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory, then swap and thus disks
> too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly thereafter retired the
> outdated system itself that it obviously had outlived its usefulness vs.
> power drawn.
>
> You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will slam
> the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting the update
> time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>> the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what
>> it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't of
>> been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it seemed to
>> have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I correct in what I
>> think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?
>>
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Re: memory usage

[Michael Butash]

I've noticed on lower-end systems, that daily cron will peg a system for 
a bit while that occurs.  I had an ancient imac with ubuntu installed 
that the apt update would hang the system for like a half-hour with an 
old 400mhz ppc proc, consuming all cpu and memory, then swap and thus 
disks too.  I finally just disabled it, and shortly thereafter retired 
the outdated system itself that it obviously had outlived its usefulness 
vs. power drawn.


You likely have the same issue, just when using it, the update will slam 
the system.  Might be better off doing it manually, or setting the 
update time for the cronjob to overnight when not using it.


-mb


On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out 
what it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it 
couldn't of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again 
and it seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am 
I correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens 
again?


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Re: memory usage

[Brian Cluff]

Most desktops have a number of package related scripts that run in the 
background that will update your package database, and/or install 
updates, etc.  Since they are working with the package database, apt 
will lock the database while it is in use.  Usually you won't notice 
these scripts running at all, but if there are a number of updates that 
are installing your system can work fairly hard while they are being 
installed.
It's best to just leave it to it's work until it's done so you don't 
accidentally leave you system broken and possibly unbootable if it's 
upgrading something like the kernel.


Brian Cluff

On 09/19/2015 09:25 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what
it does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't
of been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it
seemed to have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I
correct in what I think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ed mailto:p...@0x1b.com>> wrote:

smem

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
mailto:fsanti...@deviltracks.net>> wrote:
 > Sorry, lower case top
 >
 > --
 >
 > Fabe
 >
 >
 > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago
mailto:fsanti...@deviltracks.net>>
 > wrote:
 >
 > Top
 >
 > --
 >
 > Fabe
 >
 >
 > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage?
Something
 > is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
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Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

the problem seems to have been checkapt.py . I tried to figure out what it
does and it seems that it locks a database (apt's?). But it couldn't of
been apt's as I wasn't running apt. Then I ran top again and it seemed to
have corrected itself after 10 or fifteen minutes. Am I correct in what I
think it does? Is it safe to kill if this happens again?

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Ed  wrote:

> smem
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
>  wrote:
> > Sorry, lower case top
> >
> > --
> >
> > Fabe
> >
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Top
> >
> > --
> >
> > Fabe
> >
> >
> > On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> >
> > what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage?
> Something
> > is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
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Re: memory usage

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smem

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:46 AM, Fabian Santiago
 wrote:
> Sorry, lower case top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago 
> wrote:
>
> Top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something
> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
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Re: memory usage

[Michael Havens]

Thank you so much.

On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Fabian Santiago  wrote:

> Sorry, lower case top
>
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>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago 
> wrote:
>
> Top
>
> --
>
> Fabe
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something
> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
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Re: memory usage

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Sorry, lower case top 

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> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Fabian Santiago  
> wrote:
> 
> Top
> 
> --
> 
> Fabe
> 
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>> 
>> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something 
>> is bogging my system and I don't know what it is. I want to sill it!
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Re: memory usage

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Top

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> On Sep 19, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> 
> what is the bash command that gives you a chart of memory usage? Something is 
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