Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Michael Butash]

My last upgrade was for a few reasons, mostly my mobo was acting up 
(original p65 with failing southbridge), but also wanted pci-e3.0 slots 
for my video that I can never seem to keep happy (my vid was 3.0 running 
in 2.1), more memory, and a faster proc.  It never fails between gaming 
and just general work, I'd cause distress on my system to bog it down, 
so this time I maxed it out with 32gb and a i7-4000k proc to make it 
happier.  For a time (a year), it was good.


Sadly I'm looking at a new mobo and proc again lately, mostly as 32gb 
isn't enough for me, so I'm looking at the new 2011 chipsets that come 
with 8 dimm slots to do 64 or 128gb to solve the memory issue.  Using a 
corp win7 image in a vm with all the crap running on it like av, plus 
all the office suites I do use, I've had it hitting page at 8gb, so 12 
is minimal to keep it happy.  Using linux as my main workstation and 
host, I'll dip over 24gb of normal use, so the dumb windoze image causes 
me oom's, and all hell breaks loose, I lose work/data, ends up a bad 
night in general.


Far more usb3.0 ports was good too.

-mb


On 10/25/2015 08:56 PM, Jerry Snitselaar wrote:

On Sun Oct 25 15, Michael Havens wrote:
  why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? 
(not
  counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on 
an xp

  laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)



Because it works even better on new hardware, and is able to use
features that do no exist on older hardware?
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[James Dugger]

I currently use use a 15-inch Macbook Pro for development (company issued)
and have used a comparable Dell laptop with Windows 8.1 Pro previously
(Also company issued).  But laptops required extensive
additions/modifications to work in full stack web development for all
linux-based server stacks.

Preference would be a Linovo X250 or T450 series laptop stripped of Windows
completely and Kubuntu or Arch installed to develop on.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Jerry Snitselaar 
wrote:

> On Sun Oct 25 15, Michael Havens wrote:
>
>>   why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
>>   counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
>>   laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)
>>
>>
> Because it works even better on new hardware, and is able to use
> features that do no exist on older hardware?
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Jerry Snitselaar]

On Sun Oct 25 15, Michael Havens wrote:

  why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
  counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
  laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)



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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Michael Havens]

they also pointed me here
.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> PLUG members are so generous.
> I've found many LUG members are generous. When I first moved to
> Gainesville I had to replace my desktop (which had been fried by lightening
> just 3 days before). I post a message to the local lug group asking for a
> donation and lots of people offered.  Then someone axed me from the lug
> list!
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>
>> hehe. I have a number of older model desktops (including an old Intel
>> pentium 3 Ghz cpu) that can run the latest versions of Linux easily. That
>> is generally what happens to a lot of my older equipment. I dump windows
>> (or OS X) for the latest working Linux.
>>
>> Hell, I still have that old toshiba satellite laptop with the semi
>> working screen here. it gets used to control my ham station by remote. Not
>> bad , all things considered. BTW< that laptop was donated by a fellow plug
>> member over 8 years ago. It still works and still does its job. :)
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>
>> > why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
>> counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
>> laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith 
>> wrote:
>> > Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
>> >
>> > On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> > time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
>> >
>> > I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate
>> enough that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying
>> discounted hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty
>> leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
>> >
>> > Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer
>> might make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective
>> to have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?
>> Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something
>> that gets them to work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of
>> the points of the article.
>> >
>> > I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.
>> Why because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux
>> on my desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions
>> dating back to 2000.
>> >
>> > I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with
>> Linux admin skills messing with their own hardware.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
>> > is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
>> > network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
>> > specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
>> > vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
>> > is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
>> > another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
>> > (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
>> > from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
>> > they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
>> >
>> > -eric
>> >
>> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a
>> data center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix
>> driver issues etc.  Time is money!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Michael Havens]

PLUG members are so generous.
I've found many LUG members are generous. When I first moved to Gainesville
I had to replace my desktop (which had been fried by lightening just 3 days
before). I post a message to the local lug group asking for a donation and
lots of people offered.  Then someone axed me from the lug list!

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> hehe. I have a number of older model desktops (including an old Intel
> pentium 3 Ghz cpu) that can run the latest versions of Linux easily. That
> is generally what happens to a lot of my older equipment. I dump windows
> (or OS X) for the latest working Linux.
>
> Hell, I still have that old toshiba satellite laptop with the semi working
> screen here. it gets used to control my ham station by remote. Not bad ,
> all things considered. BTW< that laptop was donated by a fellow plug member
> over 8 years ago. It still works and still does its job. :)
>
> -eric
>
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>
> > why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
> counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
> laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith 
> wrote:
> > Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
> >
> > On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
> > time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
> >
> > I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate
> enough that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying
> discounted hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty
> leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
> >
> > Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might
> make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to
> have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?
> Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something
> that gets them to work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of
> the points of the article.
> >
> > I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.
> Why because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux
> on my desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions
> dating back to 2000.
> >
> > I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with
> Linux admin skills messing with their own hardware.
> >
> >
> > Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
> > is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
> > network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
> > specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
> > vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
> > is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
> > another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
> > (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
> > from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
> > they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
> >
> > -eric
> >
> > On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data
> center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver
> issues etc.  Time is money!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Eric Oyen]

hehe. I have a number of older model desktops (including an old Intel pentium 3 
Ghz cpu) that can run the latest versions of Linux easily. That is generally 
what happens to a lot of my older equipment. I dump windows (or OS X) for the 
latest working Linux.

Hell, I still have that old toshiba satellite laptop with the semi working 
screen here. it gets used to control my ham station by remote. Not bad , all 
things considered. BTW< that laptop was donated by a fellow plug member over 8 
years ago. It still works and still does its job. :)

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not 
> counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp 
> laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)
> 
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith  
> wrote:
> Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
> 
> On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
> time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
> 
> I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate enough 
> that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying discounted 
> hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty leaving home with 
> a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
> 
> Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might make 
> $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to have that 
> person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?  Probably not 
> unless they have a very specific need. They need something that gets them to 
> work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of the points of the 
> article.
> 
> I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.  Why 
> because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux on my 
> desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions dating back 
> to 2000.
> 
> I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with Linux 
> admin skills messing with their own hardware.
> 
> 
> Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
> is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
> network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
> specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
> vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
> is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
> another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
> (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
> from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
> they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data 
> center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver 
> issues etc.  Time is money!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Eric Oyen]

yes, it is. still, there is a need to know this knowledge. I do know one thing, 
some of the sysadmins at eBay are required to know this. They use linux in 
fully a 3rd of their server infrastructure. Sure, they use a lot of standard 
data center server blades, but someone still needs to be able to tweak the OS 
for peak performance (and sometimes that requires compiling a custom kernel or 
driver).

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Keith Smith wrote:

> Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
> 
> On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
> 
> I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate enough 
> that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying discounted 
> hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty leaving home with 
> a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
> 
> Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might make 
> $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to have that 
> person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?  Probably not 
> unless they have a very specific need. They need something that gets them to 
> work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of the points of the 
> article.
> 
> I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.  Why 
> because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux on my 
> desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions dating back 
> to 2000.
> 
> I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with Linux 
> admin skills messing with their own hardware.
> 
> 
>> Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
>> is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
>> network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
>> specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
>> vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
>> is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
>> another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
>> (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
>> from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
>> they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
>> -eric
>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
>>> "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data 
>>> center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver 
>>> issues etc.  Time is money!!
> 
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Stephen Partington]

I love my high end current hardware with Linux. :-D

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
> counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
> laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
>>
>> On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>
>>> time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
>>>
>>
>> I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate
>> enough that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying
>> discounted hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty
>> leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
>>
>> Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might
>> make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to
>> have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?
>> Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something
>> that gets them to work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of
>> the points of the article.
>>
>> I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.  Why
>> because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux on my
>> desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions dating
>> back to 2000.
>>
>> I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with Linux
>> admin skills messing with their own hardware.
>>
>>
>> Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
>>> is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
>>> network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
>>> specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
>>> vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
>>> is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
>>> another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
>>> (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
>>> from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
>>> they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
>>>
>>> -eric
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>

 "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a
 data center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix
 driver issues etc.  Time is money!!




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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Michael Havens]

why in the world would anyone buy new equipment if they use Linux? (not
counting laptops used laptops suck! Though I did put Linux on an xp
laptop for a lady I knew when i lived in Cottonwood)

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

> Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.
>
> On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:
>
>> time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.
>>
>
> I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate
> enough that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying
> discounted hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty
> leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.
>
> Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might
> make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to
> have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?
> Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something
> that gets them to work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of
> the points of the article.
>
> I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.  Why
> because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like Linux on my
> desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior occasions dating
> back to 2000.
>
> I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with Linux
> admin skills messing with their own hardware.
>
>
> Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
>> is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
>> network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
>> specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
>> vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
>> is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
>> another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
>> (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
>> from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
>> they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .
>>
>> -eric
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data
>>> center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver
>>> issues etc.  Time is money!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Keith Smith]

Most of what you talk about is outside the scope of a data center.

On 2015-10-25 15:42, Eric Oyen wrote:

time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives.


I like alternatives.  I run Mint on my desktop.  I've been fortunate 
enough that it just worked so it was cost effective.  I like buying 
discounted hardware and putting Linux on it.  I would have difficulty 
leaving home with a Mac that might cost $2k or more yikes.


Still time is money.  All things being equal, a top end programmer might 
make $40 - $60 plus per hour W2 plus benefits.  Is it cost effective to 
have that person or someone else compile a driver for their hardware?  
Probably not unless they have a very specific need. They need something 
that gets them to work as fast as possible.  I think that was the one of 
the points of the article.


I used Windows for years, even though I have never been a fan of M$.  
Why because it did the job.  Until several years ago I did not like 
Linux on my desktop, even though I tried to go M$ free on two prior 
occasions dating back to 2000.


I think what you are describing is a business niche or someone with 
Linux admin skills messing with their own hardware.




Sure, on a mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here
is that all IT personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their
network, including being able to edit and compile drivers for
specialized hardware. I have an old mac here (its a series 2007
vintage white book) and I managed to get linux working on it. The key
is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, but is close to
another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to work
(or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info
from the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes
they are helpful and sometimes they aren't .

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:




"Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a 
data center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to 
fix driver issues etc.  Time is money!!







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[Eric Oyen]

time may be money, but sometimes its worth it to have alternatives. Sure, on a 
mac everything "just works" (well, mostly). The issue here is that all IT 
personnel need to know how to deal with any OS on their network, including 
being able to edit and compile drivers for specialized hardware. I have an old 
mac here (its a series 2007 vintage white book) and I managed to get linux 
working on it. The key is finding the correct drivers. If one doesn't exist, 
but is close to another in the same chipset, it isn't that hard to modify it to 
work (or, it may just work anyway). The kicker is getting the source info from 
the manufacturer (in the case of apple, its Intel). SOmetimes they are helpful 
and sometimes they aren't .

-eric

On Oct 25, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Keith Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> "Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data 
> center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix driver 
> issues etc.  Time is money!!
> 
> 
> 
> On 2015-10-24 16:14, Mike Schwartz wrote:
>> I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
>> This is just "FYI".
>> ("Read or Toss"  -- !)
>> The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to
>> https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS
>> [1]
>> Mike Schwartz
>> Glendale  AZ
>> schwa...@acm.org
>> -- Forwarded message ------
>> From: QUORA DIGEST 
>> Date: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM
>> Subject: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of
>> many varieties free of...? - Quora
>> To: mike.l.schwa...@gmail.com
>> Answer: I live in Latin America, where the cost of Windows is
>> prohibitively hi.​.​.​
>>   [2]
>>  Top Stories from Your Feed
>>  Your Quora Digest
>>  When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of 
>> many
>> varieties free of cost, why do people still buy Mac OS and Windows OS?
>> [3]
>>   [4]
>>  Marvin Varela [4]
>> 273 votes [5]
>> [6]
>> [6]
>> I live in Latin America, where the cost of Windows is prohibitively
>> high for most families compared to their income. I have helped several
>> families prepare a budget for their desktop computers. When they do
>> this I always give them the choice
>>  * Buy Windows.
>>  * Install Linux Mint or Ubuntu for free.
>> Confronted with the choice they ask what the implications are. I
>> always tell them it is really hard to g... Read More » [7]
>>  What are some cultural faux pas in New York City? [8]
>>   [9]
>>   Christin Roman [9], UX Designer
>> 78 votes [10]
>> [11]
>> [11]
>> A lot of great answers here, but I don't think anyone has mentioned
>> DELI ETIQUETTE - something tourists and new comers often get wrong,
>> pissing off both deli employees and fellow customers.
>> First of all, when ordering something from the case or the grill - a
>> sandwich, for example - it's customary to place your order with the
>> person who is actually working that station. Do NOT try to place
>> you... Read More » [12]
>>  Space Exploration: Why can't we just slowly rise to space? Why 
>> do
>> you have to go so fast? [13]
>>  _ [14]
>>   Jonathan Miller [14], 28 Years, NASA Engineer, Johnson Space
>> Center, Houston
>> 326 votes [15]
>> [16]
>> [16]
>> This is actually a good question. The real answer is that Gravity
>> doesn't magically turn off when you get into orbit. You are still
>> falling back towards the earth. But once you reach a horizontal speed
>> of about 17,000 miles an hour as you fall towards the Earth you keep
>> missing it. The only known way to stay in space is to be going really
>> fast and maintain an orbit. So unless and until we...  [16]Read More
>> » [17]
>>  What makes the American Express Black Card the world's most
>> exclusive credit card? [18]
>>   [19]
>>   Maxwell Arnold [19], BA in fashion. Aspiring trademark 
>> litigator.
>> Always thinking, always writing.
>> 564 votes [20]
>> [21]
>> [21]
>> Well it is not the most_ exclusive credit card. It's _very_ exclusive
>> in that only those who are invited can hold the card, there are strict
>> qualification requirements (that are not officially disclosed, but
>> rumours all say that one must

Re: Fwd: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Keith Smith]

"Linux is only free if your time is worthless." - A guy that owns a data 
center told me he buys Mac because he does not have the time to fix 
driver issues etc.  Time is money!!




On 2015-10-24 16:14, Mike Schwartz wrote:

I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
This is just "FYI".
("Read or Toss"  -- !)

The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to

https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS
[1]

Mike Schwartz
Glendale  AZ
schwa...@acm.org

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From: QUORA DIGEST 
Date: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:54 AM
Subject: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of
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To: mike.l.schwa...@gmail.com

 Answer: I live in Latin America, where the cost of Windows is
prohibitively hi.​.​.​

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[3]

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273 votes [5]

 [6]
 [6]
I live in Latin America, where the cost of Windows is prohibitively
high for most families compared to their income. I have helped several
families prepare a budget for their desktop computers. When they do
this I always give them the choice

* Buy Windows.
* Install Linux Mint or Ubuntu for free.

Confronted with the choice they ask what the implications are. I
always tell them it is really hard to g... Read More » [7]

What are some cultural faux pas in New York City? [8]

 [9]

 Christin Roman [9], UX Designer

78 votes [10]

 [11]
 [11]
A lot of great answers here, but I don't think anyone has mentioned
DELI ETIQUETTE - something tourists and new comers often get wrong,
pissing off both deli employees and fellow customers.

First of all, when ordering something from the case or the grill - a
sandwich, for example - it's customary to place your order with the
person who is actually working that station. Do NOT try to place
you... Read More » [12]

Space Exploration: Why can't we just slowly rise to space? Why 
do
you have to go so fast? [13]

_ [14]

 Jonathan Miller [14], 28 Years, NASA Engineer, Johnson Space
Center, Houston

326 votes [15]

 [16]
 [16]
This is actually a good question. The real answer is that Gravity
doesn't magically turn off when you get into orbit. You are still
falling back towards the earth. But once you reach a horizontal speed
of about 17,000 miles an hour as you fall towards the Earth you keep
missing it. The only known way to stay in space is to be going really
fast and maintain an orbit. So unless and until we...  [16]Read More
» [17]

What makes the American Express Black Card the world's most
exclusive credit card? [18]

 [19]

 Maxwell Arnold [19], BA in fashion. Aspiring trademark 
litigator.
Always thinking, always writing.

564 votes [20]

 [21]
 [21]

Well it is not the most_ exclusive credit card. It's _very_ exclusive
in that only those who are invited can hold the card, there are strict
qualification requirements (that are not officially disclosed, but
rumours all say that one must spend about $250,000 per year on their
existing American Express charge, not credit, card), and to get the
card _after being invited_ will cost you a $7,500 initiat... Read More
» [22]

Do OS X get slow over time on HDD like Windows? [23]

 [24]

 Glyn Williams [24], Grizzled game industry veteran.

65 votes [25]

 [26]
 [26]
All desktop OSs can end up with a state which impairs performance.
So the answer is yes. OS X can sometimes become slow over time.

But in my experience it's less commonplace than in Windows
installations.
There are a few of reasons for this.

1) I think the UNIX underpinnings of OS X can be a bit more robust.
Some of the Windows engineering, (like the registry) seem to encourage
this slow dow... Read More » [27]

How did machine guns fire through the propeller arc without 
breaking
the propeller, on a single prop airplane? [28]

 [29]

 Rajan Bhavnani [29], Founder & CEO of a Tech Startup

250 votes [30]

 [31]
 [31]
Good Question! This was a real problem in WWI. Early fighter pilots
often had to be careful about how much they fired their forward
machine gun because firing it would slowly eat away at their own
propeller. Fortunately for fighter pilots, by WWII a "synchronization
gear" or "interrupter" had been developed and was standard equipment
on fighters flown by both the allied and axis

Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Stephen Partington]

I certainly was getting nervous until i found solaar to manipulate the
Logitech unifying devices.

Really the only thing i am having trouble with is getting Nvidia drivers to
work with this fool Macbook Pro.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> I don't know what their talking about I have NO problems with Linux.
> It is very stable and never crashes and never fails to start when I rarely
> shut it down. It might not play all the games but if you look in the
> repository there is doom and quake and others I've never heard of. I run
> Mint.
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Steve Litt 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:14:39 -0700
>> Mike Schwartz  wrote:
>>
>> > I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
>> > This is just "FYI".
>> > ("Read or Toss"  -- !)
>> >
>> > The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS
>>
>> Sounds like what we discussed a few days ago: It's all about use case.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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Re: When Linux provides so many high-quality operating systems of many varieties free of...? - Quora

[Michael Havens]

I don't know what their talking about I have NO problems with Linux. It
is very stable and never crashes and never fails to start when I rarely
shut it down. It might not play all the games but if you look in the
repository there is doom and quake and others I've never heard of. I run
Mint.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Steve Litt 
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:14:39 -0700
> Mike Schwartz  wrote:
>
> > I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
> > This is just "FYI".
> > ("Read or Toss"  -- !)
> >
> > The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to
> >
> >
> https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS
>
> Sounds like what we discussed a few days ago: It's all about use case.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive
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[Steve Litt]

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:14:39 -0700
Mike Schwartz  wrote:

> I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
> This is just "FYI".
> ("Read or Toss"  -- !)
> 
> The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to
> 
> https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS

Sounds like what we discussed a few days ago: It's all about use case.

SteveT

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[Mike Schwartz]

I am not saying that (or whether) I agree.
This is just "FYI".
("Read or Toss"  -- !)

The first item in this e-zine has a LINK to

https://www.quora.com/When-Linux-provides-so-many-high-quality-operating-systems-of-many-varieties-free-of-cost-why-do-people-still-buy-Mac-OS-and-Windows-OS


Mike Schwartz
Glendale  AZ
schwa...@acm.org

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I live in Latin America, where the cost of Windows is prohibitively high
for most families compared to their income. I have helped several families
prepare a budget for their desktop computers. When they do this I always
give them the choice


   1. Buy Windows.
   2. Install Linux Mint or Ubuntu for free.

Confronted wit