Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Keith Smith

On 2015-07-17 10:49, der.hans wrote:

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so:


On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:


I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage 
in 3 or 4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer 
plan.  I ran a


I get a couple late night outages a year and a longer outage every 
couple

of years.



Maybe that is why I do not notice the outages - I go to bed early.


Getting a tech out the following day is good, but the last outage took 
a

couple of days to get someone out.

server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some 
latency since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They 
have always treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to 
business it cost an additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost 
today.  I'm planning on setting up a server when I get the time and do 
my own hosting... at least for a while to both same money and learn. 
And I think initially there is a


I highly recommend it. Remember to ask them to update the reverse dns 
on

your IPs to your domain. It was a quick and easy phone call.



I took advantage of that.

contract.  From then on it is month to month which cost more so there 
is an incentive to be on a contract.


New contract goes year to year rather than month to month :(.

ciao,

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:


Yes, in my days of dialup i had 2 lines. one with the features we wanted,
(caller ID, long distance etc) and one line that was stripped bare for just
dialup access. The dialup line kept getting features added to it every time
i would call for "support" or to pay my bill.


Ah, yeah, that would be annoying.

I also had two lines. I listed the dialup line as the primary, as unlisted
was no cost for the second line.

I have since met the sysadmin who reset my connection Sunday mornings at
dawn.


That left a pretty lasting impression.


Yeah, having to keep calling about a couple bucks here and a couple bucks
there :(.

I didn't have too many problems, but had to have voice mail turned off on
the dial up line a few times.

ciao,

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte KevinO so:

moin moin KevinO,

as usual, you rock :).


http://www.kevino.org/cox_status.txt


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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Michael Butash so:


Cox support is by far the worst part of using their service.  I have an
outage about every 3-4 years due to the sun baking my coax outside, which is
somewhat normal, and every time I call it has gotten worse and worse. 
Usually I just mention something about ICOMS, mocking their horrible/garbage
40 year old green-screen internal crm everyone hates using still, and they
get more friendly/helpful.

Last time I called a few months ago about getting a second IP, it took four
calls, the first talking to the person there I didn't think could spell IP,
and had about the worst drawl you could imagine from Deliverance, neither
providing help or coherency.  After 3 more calls of less utterly stupid,
more helpful, but still mostly useless, I got a real engineer that clearly
told me "no, you can't get a second IP unless you buy business or our
'ultimate' package".  He was the only person that understood what a "second
static ip" was and I had to go about 3 levels up.


I'm amazed you got a single static IP from residential. Then again, I know
people on residential who have the same IP for years at a time, while my
static IP on the business side was changed out from under me several
times. That hasn't happened in several years, though.


I called a buddy that works there, they shifted all support to the southeast
(their corp is in Atlanta), where apparently the average iq drops to a
quarter of anywhere else.  I complained on the site I was so angry, and
actually got a call from corporate where the guy was very nice, but all but
admitted they hire the dregs for support.  Where else do you find people to
work for minimum wage?

Sad considering I remember using, and even went to work for @home that did
the cable side for Cox back in '98 when they actually hired technically
competent people to support a technical service.  Even they got worse at the


@home definitely had non-tech people in tech support, from the very
beginning.

I worked with the group that started @home and ran cox tech support when
they were first running their ISP trials.

Both did have some experienced sysadmins running the show and it was all
much smaller then, so less steps to get experienced eyeballs on an issue.

Scale has changed just a wee bit since then :).

ciao,

der.hans


end hiring anyone with a pulse before Cox, ATT, and Comcast put forks in
them to DIY.

-mb


On 07/17/2015 09:00 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
  I have had pretty decent experiences when connecting with their
  customer service. Lots of red tape like hoops to jump through
  however.






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RE: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Carruth, Rusty so:

moin moin,


Check out whoever now owns (or absorbed, or whatever) .. lets see, getnet? 
Speakeasy?  Yeah, speakeasy.  For many years I ran my mail server for 
descomp.com (on dialup!) with them.  Then when I could finally get DSL with 
them (I moved) I switched to DSL - kept the mail server going the whole time.  
Could have run web also, never got around to it.



Don't know where they are on price/performance curve any more.  I had the 
'sysadmin special' which meant they didn't expect to help me much.  And they 
didn't need to.  I think I called them maybe once a year for something, usually 
(IIRC) NOT related to service issues.


A friend used to be sysadmin over at speakeasy. She has lots of fun
stories from speakeasy. Didn't realize it's an option for us here. It's
now megapath.

Pricing is looking a bit high. Better service costs more, but I don't have
unlimited budget. I'll still see if I can work it out. If my friend were
still there it would be a no brainer because tech support was an irc chat
away :).

http://www.megapath.com/data/dsl/

http://www.megapath.com/promos/ethernet-dataplus/

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread David Schwartz
It probably depends on what part of town you’re in.

I’m in N. Scottsdale, and they (CenturyLink) is supposedly bringing gigabit 
fiber into the area. “Any day now”.

Anyway, it seems that the UL speeds for residential are half or less than the 
DL speeds these days. It used to be 10:1, so 2:1 is a vast improvement.

So much stuff gets copied into the cloud these days that you don’t need to be 
running a server to have large UL traffic.

-David



> On Jul 17, 2015, at 11:21 AM, der.hans  wrote:
> 
> Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:
> 
> moin moin Stephen,
> 
>> Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
>> 20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
>> for almost 200 a month.
> 
> Wow! The site lists 40MB for less than $40/month for residential. It looks
> like that jumps to $150/mo for commercial.
> 
> Both seem to have the same rules, but as I pointed out in the original
> post, their documentation on what is included in the service is
> non-existent or non-transparent.
> 
> ciao,
> 
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
that is correct.

I really look forward to the shake up that will happen with Google fiber...

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:
>
> moin moin Stephen,
>
>  Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
>> 20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
>> for almost 200 a month.
>>
>
> Wow! The site lists 40MB for less than $40/month for residential. It looks
> like that jumps to $150/mo for commercial.
>
> Both seem to have the same rules, but as I pointed out in the original
> post, their documentation on what is included in the service is
> non-existent or non-transparent.
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
Yes, in my days of dialup i had 2 lines. one with the features we wanted,
(caller ID, long distance etc) and one line that was stripped bare for just
dialup access. The dialup line kept getting features added to it every time
i would call for "support" or to pay my bill.

That left a pretty lasting impression.


On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:
>
> moin moin Stephen,
>
>  I am curious about the difference as well. I have been running Cox
>> services
>> for quite some time as us west was horrible about random new features
>> being
>>
>
> Random new features?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
>
>
>  added without any consent. This likely has changed but Cox really has
>> provided good service until recently. I am trying to decide if I want to
>> move service or buy a new cable modem (would improve service as i cannot
>> get full speed on my current modem)
>> On Jul 17, 2015 12:17 AM, "der.hans"  wrote:
>>
>>  moin moin,
>>>
>>> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
>>>
>>> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
>>> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
>>> many people to be thankful of that.
>>>
>>> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
>>> upstream bandwidth.
>>>
>>> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
>>>
>>> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
>>> in both directions.
>>>
>>> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
>>> finally find some information including further contradictory
>>> information,
>>> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
>>> sales support knowing.
>>>
>>> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted
>>> mail
>>> and web ).
>>>
>>> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
>>> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
>>> the incumbants.
>>>
>>> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
>>> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread KevinO
On 07/17/2015 10:49 AM, der.hans wrote:
> Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so:
> 
>> On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:
> 
>> I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 3 or 
>> 4
>> years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I ran a
> 
> I get a couple late night outages a year and a longer outage every couple
> of years.
> 

http://www.kevino.org/cox_status.txt

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:

moin moin Stephen,


Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
for almost 200 a month.


Wow! The site lists 40MB for less than $40/month for residential. It looks
like that jumps to $150/mo for commercial.

Both seem to have the same rules, but as I pointed out in the original
post, their documentation on what is included in the service is
non-existent or non-transparent.

ciao,

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Stephen Partington so:

moin moin Stephen,


I am curious about the difference as well. I have been running Cox services
for quite some time as us west was horrible about random new features being


Random new features?

ciao,

der.hans


added without any consent. This likely has changed but Cox really has
provided good service until recently. I am trying to decide if I want to
move service or buy a new cable modem (would improve service as i cannot
get full speed on my current modem)
On Jul 17, 2015 12:17 AM, "der.hans"  wrote:


moin moin,

it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).

Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
many people to be thankful of that.

Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
upstream bandwidth.

Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.

Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
in both directions.

CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
finally find some information including further contradictory information,
so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
sales support knowing.

CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
and web ).

It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
the incumbants.

Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
information for what you actually get in the bundles.

Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Michael Butash

  
  
I don't have static, you only get dhcp
  with residential, just in the past you could add other static
  addresses.  Apparently at some point they stopped doing that to
  herd you to top-tier packages/bundles, or business services.
  
  Honestly, since they stopped blocking tcp/443 for https access,
  it's all I really need.  It allows me to run my sslvpn outside on
  not a weird port, so money for me.  I connect vpn to my firewall,
  and access everything I need behind it. I don't need "static"
  addressing either, I use dynamic dns to register my external
  address, and cname my vpn record to the ddns record.  Voila!
  
  I pay 10/mo for a digital ocean server if I need to host something
  on http.  I don't want public services having a hole into my house
  least of all.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 07/17/2015 10:46 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:


  
Im impressed you even got one static IP. I keep
  getting shunted to their business services anytime i talk
  about a static Ip.
  
  


  

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so:


On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:


I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 3 or 
4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I ran a


I get a couple late night outages a year and a longer outage every couple
of years.

Getting a tech out the following day is good, but the last outage took a
couple of days to get someone out.

server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some latency 
since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They have always 
treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to business it cost an 
additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost today.  I'm planning on 
setting up a server when I get the time and do my own hosting... at least for 
a while to both same money and learn. And I think initially there is a


I highly recommend it. Remember to ask them to update the reverse dns on
your IPs to your domain. It was a quick and easy phone call.

contract.  From then on it is month to month which cost more so there is an 
incentive to be on a contract.


New contract goes year to year rather than month to month :(.

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

Am 17. Jul, 2015 schwätzte Keith Smith so:


On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:


I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 3 or 
4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I ran a


I get a couple late night outages a year and a longer outage every couple
of years.

Getting a tech out the following day is good, but the last outage took a
couple of days to get someone out.

server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some latency 
since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They have always 
treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to business it cost an 
additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost today.  I'm planning on 
setting up a server when I get the time and do my own hosting... at least for 
a while to both same money and learn. And I think initially there is a


I highly recommend it. Remember to ask them to update the reverse dns on
your IPs to your domain. It was a quick and easy phone call.

contract.  From then on it is month to month which cost more so there is an 
incentive to be on a contract.


New contract goes year to year rather than month to month :(.

ciao,

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
Im impressed you even got one static IP. I keep getting shunted to their
business services anytime i talk about a static Ip.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

>  Cox support is by far the worst part of using their service.  I have an
> outage about every 3-4 years due to the sun baking my coax outside, which
> is somewhat normal, and every time I call it has gotten worse and worse.
> Usually I just mention something about ICOMS, mocking their
> horrible/garbage 40 year old green-screen internal crm everyone hates using
> still, and they get more friendly/helpful.
>
> Last time I called a few months ago about getting a second IP, it took
> four calls, the first talking to the person there I didn't think could
> spell IP, and had about the worst drawl you could imagine from Deliverance,
> neither providing help or coherency.  After 3 more calls of less utterly
> stupid, more helpful, but still mostly useless, I got a real engineer that
> clearly told me "no, you can't get a second IP unless you buy business or
> our 'ultimate' package".  He was the only person that understood what a
> "second static ip" was and I had to go about 3 levels up.
>
> I called a buddy that works there, they shifted all support to the
> southeast (their corp is in Atlanta), where apparently the average iq drops
> to a quarter of anywhere else.  I complained on the site I was so angry,
> and actually got a call from corporate where the guy was very nice, but all
> but admitted they hire the dregs for support.  Where else do you find
> people to work for minimum wage?
>
> Sad considering I remember using, and even went to work for @home that did
> the cable side for Cox back in '98 when they actually hired technically
> competent people to support a technical service.  Even they got worse at
> the end hiring anyone with a pulse before Cox, ATT, and Comcast put forks
> in them to DIY.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 07/17/2015 09:00 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:
>
>  I have had pretty decent experiences when connecting with their customer
> service. Lots of red tape like hoops to jump through however.
>
>
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Michael Butash

  
  
Cox support is by far the worst part of
  using their service.  I have an outage about every 3-4 years due
  to the sun baking my coax outside, which is somewhat normal, and
  every time I call it has gotten worse and worse.  Usually I just
  mention something about ICOMS, mocking their horrible/garbage 40
  year old green-screen internal crm everyone hates using still, and
  they get more friendly/helpful.
  
  Last time I called a few months ago about getting a second IP, it
  took four calls, the first talking to the person there I didn't
  think could spell IP, and had about the worst drawl you could
  imagine from Deliverance, neither providing help or coherency. 
  After 3 more calls of less utterly stupid, more helpful, but still
  mostly useless, I got a real engineer that clearly told me "no,
  you can't get a second IP unless you buy business or our
  'ultimate' package".  He was the only person that understood what
  a "second static ip" was and I had to go about 3 levels up.
  
  I called a buddy that works there, they shifted all support to the
  southeast (their corp is in Atlanta), where apparently the average
  iq drops to a quarter of anywhere else.  I complained on the site
  I was so angry, and actually got a call from corporate where the
  guy was very nice, but all but admitted they hire the dregs for
  support.  Where else do you find people to work for minimum wage?
  
  Sad considering I remember using, and even went to work for @home
  that did the cable side for Cox back in '98 when they actually
  hired technically competent people to support a technical
  service.  Even they got worse at the end hiring anyone with a
  pulse before Cox, ATT, and Comcast put forks in them to DIY.
  
  -mb
  
  
  On 07/17/2015 09:00 AM, Stephen Partington wrote:


  
I have had pretty decent experiences when
  connecting with their customer service. Lots of red tape like
  hoops to jump through however.
  
  


  

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
I have had pretty decent experiences when connecting with their customer
service. Lots of red tape like hoops to jump through however.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Mark Phillips 
wrote:

> I have been using Cox residential for over 20 years (is that even
> possible?), and except for a few outages (new construction in the area and
> someone cut the cable), my Internet has just worked. I have my own home LAN
> with several machines running on it, and the biggest outages occurred when
> my cable modems died. I dread calling them on the phone with a problem and
> I really don't understand how they earned all these JD Powers awards for
> customer service (unless they just bought them), but the Internet just
> seems to work for me. I am located in central Scottsdale.
>
> Mark
>
> P.S. I have the bundled TV and phone package.
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Stephen Partington 
> wrote:
>
>> Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
>> 20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
>> for almost 200 a month.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Keith Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:
>>>
 moin moin,

 it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).

 Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
 available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
 many people to be thankful of that.

 Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and
 decent
 upstream bandwidth.

 Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.

 Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent
 bandwidth
 in both directions.

>>>
>>> I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in
>>> 3 or 4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I
>>> ran a server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some
>>> latency since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They have
>>> always treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to business it
>>> cost an additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost today.  I'm
>>> planning on setting up a server when I get the time and do my own
>>> hosting... at least for a while to both same money and learn. And I think
>>> initially there is a contract.  From then on it is month to month which
>>> cost more so there is an incentive to be on a contract.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
 finally find some information including further contradictory
 information,
 so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
 sales support knowing.

 CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted
 mail
 and web ).

 It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
 not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
 the incumbants.

 Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
 information for what you actually get in the bundles.

 Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?

 ciao,

 der.hans

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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Mark Phillips
I have been using Cox residential for over 20 years (is that even
possible?), and except for a few outages (new construction in the area and
someone cut the cable), my Internet has just worked. I have my own home LAN
with several machines running on it, and the biggest outages occurred when
my cable modems died. I dread calling them on the phone with a problem and
I really don't understand how they earned all these JD Powers awards for
customer service (unless they just bought them), but the Internet just
seems to work for me. I am located in central Scottsdale.

Mark

P.S. I have the bundled TV and phone package.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Stephen Partington 
wrote:

> Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
> 20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
> for almost 200 a month.
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Keith Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:
>>
>>> moin moin,
>>>
>>> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
>>>
>>> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
>>> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
>>> many people to be thankful of that.
>>>
>>> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
>>> upstream bandwidth.
>>>
>>> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
>>>
>>> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
>>> in both directions.
>>>
>>
>> I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 3
>> or 4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I
>> ran a server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some
>> latency since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They have
>> always treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to business it
>> cost an additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost today.  I'm
>> planning on setting up a server when I get the time and do my own
>> hosting... at least for a while to both same money and learn. And I think
>> initially there is a contract.  From then on it is month to month which
>> cost more so there is an incentive to be on a contract.
>>
>>
>>
>>> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
>>> finally find some information including further contradictory
>>> information,
>>> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
>>> sales support knowing.
>>>
>>> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted
>>> mail
>>> and web ).
>>>
>>> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
>>> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
>>> the incumbants.
>>>
>>> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
>>> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
>>>
>>
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
Well i have to say in my area Century Link is a horrible amount of fail.
20mb max residential and business is up to 40mb but with only 2mb upload
for almost 200 a month.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Keith Smith 
wrote:

> On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:
>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
>>
>> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
>> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
>> many people to be thankful of that.
>>
>> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
>> upstream bandwidth.
>>
>> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
>>
>> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
>> in both directions.
>>
>
> I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 3
> or 4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan.  I
> ran a server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect some
> latency since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They have
> always treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to business it
> cost an additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost today.  I'm
> planning on setting up a server when I get the time and do my own
> hosting... at least for a while to both same money and learn. And I think
> initially there is a contract.  From then on it is month to month which
> cost more so there is an incentive to be on a contract.
>
>
>
>> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
>> finally find some information including further contradictory information,
>> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
>> sales support knowing.
>>
>> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
>> and web ).
>>
>> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
>> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
>> the incumbants.
>>
>> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
>> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
>>
>> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
>>
>
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Stephen Partington
I am curious about the difference as well. I have been running Cox services
for quite some time as us west was horrible about random new features being
added without any consent. This likely has changed but Cox really has
provided good service until recently. I am trying to decide if I want to
move service or buy a new cable modem (would improve service as i cannot
get full speed on my current modem)
On Jul 17, 2015 12:17 AM, "der.hans"  wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
>
> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
> many people to be thankful of that.
>
> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
> upstream bandwidth.
>
> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
>
> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
> in both directions.
>
> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
> finally find some information including further contradictory information,
> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
> sales support knowing.
>
> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
> and web ).
>
> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
> the incumbants.
>
> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
>
> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Keith Smith

On 2015-07-17 00:17, der.hans wrote:

moin moin,

it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).

Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
many people to be thankful of that.

Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and 
decent

upstream bandwidth.

Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.

Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent 
bandwidth

in both directions.


I work from home and have Cox Business.  I have had one short outage in 
3 or 4 years compared to one or two every year while on a consumer plan. 
 I ran a server for a short time and it seemed to be fine.  I suspect 
some latency since it is not a direct connection to the Internet.  They 
have always treated me well.  When I switched over from consumer to 
business it cost an additional $25/mo.  Not sure of the marginal cost 
today.  I'm planning on setting up a server when I get the time and do 
my own hosting... at least for a while to both same money and learn. And 
I think initially there is a contract.  From then on it is month to 
month which cost more so there is an incentive to be on a contract.





CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
finally find some information including further contradictory 
information,
so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in 
their

sales support knowing.

CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted 
mail

and web ).

It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
the incumbants.

Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
information for what you actually get in the bundles.

Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?

ciao,

der.hans


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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread Ed
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:53 AM, David Schwartz
 wrote:
> I’ve got CenturyLink, with a supposedly 40 up / 20 down link speeds. The 
> actual speeds (once they got them working) have been 38 / 17, which is ok.
>
> They keep sending me stuff to bundle, but I’m not interested. I just have 
> internet. I started with a 12-month deal for about $40/mo with the 40/20 
> speed bump.
>
> When it came up for renewal, I called them and they offered me $38/mo for 
> another 12 month contract. I said “no contract”, and they jiggered it around 
> so I think I’m paying $42/mo now.
>
> These guys drive me batty. Everybody locks you into a 12-mo contract, then 
> they jack up their prices. I have no problem switching carriers after 12 
> months, and they all charge about the same for the first year. They might 
> have less churn if they weren’t all incentivizing people to hop around and 
> just left things at one flat rate.
>
> (I got a 13-month lease on my apartment (weird, right?), and they’d only 
> write a 12-month contract. Go figure.)
>
> I also have an extra modem.
>
> If there’s a simple way I can tell if they’re blocking any ports, let me know 
> and I’ll try it.
>
> (I have a Mac, so whatever can be accessed from the command prompt is fair 
> game. I forget what might do that off-hand.)
>
> -David
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:17 AM, der.hans  wrote:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
>>
>> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
>> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
>> many people to be thankful of that.
>>
>> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
>> upstream bandwidth.
>>
>> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
>>
>> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
>> in both directions.
>>
>> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
>> finally find some information including further contradictory information,
>> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
>> sales support knowing.
>>
>> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
>> and web ).
>>
>> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
>> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
>> the incumbants.
>>
>> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
>> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
>>
>> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans


I avoid CenturyLink like the plague*. this might be handy ->
http://www.speedtest.net/?noflash=1
*past couple of decades
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Re: cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread David Schwartz
I’ve got CenturyLink, with a supposedly 40 up / 20 down link speeds. The actual 
speeds (once they got them working) have been 38 / 17, which is ok.

They keep sending me stuff to bundle, but I’m not interested. I just have 
internet. I started with a 12-month deal for about $40/mo with the 40/20 speed 
bump.

When it came up for renewal, I called them and they offered me $38/mo for 
another 12 month contract. I said “no contract”, and they jiggered it around so 
I think I’m paying $42/mo now.

These guys drive me batty. Everybody locks you into a 12-mo contract, then they 
jack up their prices. I have no problem switching carriers after 12 months, and 
they all charge about the same for the first year. They might have less churn 
if they weren’t all incentivizing people to hop around and just left things at 
one flat rate.

(I got a 13-month lease on my apartment (weird, right?), and they’d only write 
a 12-month contract. Go figure.)

I also have an extra modem.

If there’s a simple way I can tell if they’re blocking any ports, let me know 
and I’ll try it.

(I have a Mac, so whatever can be accessed from the command prompt is fair 
game. I forget what might do that off-hand.)

-David




> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:17 AM, der.hans  wrote:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
> it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).
> 
> Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
> available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
> many people to be thankful of that.
> 
> Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
> upstream bandwidth.
> 
> Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.
> 
> Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
> in both directions.
> 
> CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
> finally find some information including further contradictory information,
> so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
> sales support knowing.
> 
> CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
> and web ).
> 
> It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
> not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
> the incumbants.
> 
> Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
> information for what you actually get in the bundles.
> 
> Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
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cox vs centurylink

2015-07-17 Thread der.hans

moin moin,

it would be a pay-per-view grudge match :).

Anyway, time to reconsider ISPs. Those are the two wired options
available. No charter in my neighborhood and I have been told by many,
many people to be thankful of that.

Anyway, my requirements are to have all ports open, static IPs and decent
upstream bandwidth.

Cox residential is out because they block ports 25 and 80.

Cox business allows all ports, offers static IPs and has decent bandwidth
in both directions.

CenturyLink wants to hide all the information about its services. I did
finally find some information including further contradictory information,
so I'm confused about what they offer. I have little confidence in their
sales support knowing.

CenturyLink partners with m$ for services I don't care about ( hosted mail
and web ).

It looks like CenturyLink is prepping to compete with Google fiber, but
not holding my breath for that service or the competitive response from
the incumbants.

Then again, CenturyLink's site is dedicated to bundling with little
information for what you actually get in the bundles.

Any feedback on experience with Qwest/CenturyLink?

ciao,

der.hans
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