Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
On 8/3/22 20:57, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm thinking of getting https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9 . Does anyone hear know of any reason I should or should not? If you're doing it for backups and storing in a safe, yes. Go with the external drive. If you're wanting to use it daily...don't. Get an internal. The unplugging and plugging in will annoy you. USB, while it's useful, can run into random disconnects that can totally drive you nuts. It's all about the application in this case. If you need portable, go portable. But if you want consistent and always available, onboard it. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
You know, I think it would be better to get the ssd so that when one upgrades the computer they will be able to utilize the upgraded USB. On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 7:43 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:33 -0400, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 05:43 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? > > > > I'm almost positive that a USB2 interface will badly bottleneck an SSD. > Might as > > well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. > > When we get into discussions about bottlenecking, I recommend every > English speaker > in the world read the book "The Goal" by Goldratt and Cox. > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/goal-eliyahu-m-goldratt/1103443759 > > I recommend reading it, then reading it again 6 months later, then after > that > reading it every two years. Yes, it's that good and that important. I > suggest the > print edition: The electronic edition I bought a couple years ago is very > misformatted. > > I wrote a little bit about bottleneck analysis 24 years ago, here: > > http://troubleshooters.com/tpromag/9803.htm > > SteveT > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:33 -0400, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 05:43 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > > > > I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? > > I'm almost positive that a USB2 interface will badly bottleneck an SSD. Might > as > well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. When we get into discussions about bottlenecking, I recommend every English speaker in the world read the book "The Goal" by Goldratt and Cox. https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/goal-eliyahu-m-goldratt/1103443759 I recommend reading it, then reading it again 6 months later, then after that reading it every two years. Yes, it's that good and that important. I suggest the print edition: The electronic edition I bought a couple years ago is very misformatted. I wrote a little bit about bottleneck analysis 24 years ago, here: http://troubleshooters.com/tpromag/9803.htm SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
On Fri, 2022-08-05 at 19:02 -0400, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > As far as future proofing, here's a 5400/2.5 for $43.00: > https://www.newegg.com/toshiba-mq04abf100-1tb/p/1Z4-00HU-00017 Whoops, the preceding is an internal drive. The following is an external spinning rust for about $49.00. https://www.newegg.com/model-wdbyvg0010bbk-wesn-1tb/p/N82E16822234390 By the way, if need be a 5TB version can be purchased for $130.00. Don't try that with SSD. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 17:40 -0400, Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, 5:33 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < > plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 05:43 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? > > > > I'm almost positive that a USB2 interface will badly bottleneck an SSD. > > Might as > > well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. > > > > If you have even one USB3 on your computer, you can get a USB3 USB hub > > with its own > > power supply, so you have plenty of USB3 ports. > > > > SteveT > An ssd on usb 2 still has an advantage in random seek operation and power > consumption vs spinning rust. On top of being vibration and movement > resilient in comparison. And it will also provide a touch of > future-proofing. A USB interface maxes out at 53MbYtes/second. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#USB_2.0 . The read/write speed of a 5400 is somewhere between 75MbYtes/second and 150MbYtes/second --- everyone has a different figure. See https://datarecovery.com/rd/does-hard-drive-rpm-affect-lifespan/ . Nobody broke it out into read speed and write speed --- everyone just quoted a read/write speed. So the USB2 connection cannot deliver the 5400's output. It retards the speed of the 5400 spinning rust. So *obviously* it would retard the speed of the SSD. All the random seek advantages in the world mean nothing if it bottlenecks at the USB connection. Vibration and movement resilience of spinning rust can be maximized with a 2.5" form factor, and a 5400rpm 2.5" doesn't use much power or shed much heat. A decent 5400/2.5. As far as future proofing, here's a 5400/2.5 for $43.00: https://www.newegg.com/toshiba-mq04abf100-1tb/p/1Z4-00HU-00017 For the $110.00 required to buy 1TB SSD today, three years from now that sum will probably buy you 4TB. The best future proofing you can do is buy it cheap and save for when SSD will actually benefit you. With a USB2 interface, SSD will perform as slowly as 5400. So I stick by my initial statement, if USB2 is the only possible interface, he's might as well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
An ssd on usb 2 still has an advantage in random seek operation and power consumption vs spinning rust. On top of being vibration and movement resilient in comparison. And it will also provide a touch of future-proofing. On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, 5:33 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 05:43 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > > > > I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? > > I'm almost positive that a USB2 interface will badly bottleneck an SSD. > Might as > well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. > > If you have even one USB3 on your computer, you can get a USB3 USB hub > with its own > power supply, so you have plenty of USB3 ports. > > SteveT > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 05:43 -0700, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > > I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? I'm almost positive that a USB2 interface will badly bottleneck an SSD. Might as well get a 5400rpm spinning rust. If you have even one USB3 on your computer, you can get a USB3 USB hub with its own power supply, so you have plenty of USB3 ports. SteveT --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
Hi Mike, More of a question. I have a bunch of old hardware which I think has USB 1 and USB 2 (if I am explaining that right). So I am wondering if this product will work on older hardware since it says "Interface - USB 3.2 Gen-2 (10Gb/s)". Mike, do you have compatible hardware? To PLUG: is this a concern? A 1TB SSD external for $120 seems reasonable. I just bought a 500GB SSD for around $60.00. I buy Samsung 870 EVO which are more expensive than the Crucial SSDs. A 1TB Crucial at new egg is $65. This is an internal drive not an external USB drive. https://www.newegg.com/crucial-bx500-1tb/p/N82E16820156231 So the price seems reasonable. I'm thinking the bottleneck might be the USB. Any thoughts PLUG? On 2022-08-03 20:57, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: I'm thinking of getting https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9 . Does anyone hear know of any reason I should or should not? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9
I'm thinking of getting https://www.crucial.com/ssd/x8/ct1000x8ssd9 . Does anyone hear know of any reason I should or should not? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
