Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
Your device access will be slow. Using a USB3 device on a USB2 port is as bad as just using a USB2 device. If the computer doesn't have any USB3 port, you might want to buy one to fit your available [ISA/PCI/PCIe] slot. SteveT Michael via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 16:52:49 -0400 >It will be a USB3 drive but the port might only be a 2 if that! > >On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:50 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss > wrote: >> >> Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:19:35 >> -0700 >> >> >> > >> >i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired >> >so i would test it out and see if it meets your needs. >> >> If the thumb drive is USB3 and it's connected to a USB3 port, the >> write performance leaves a lot less somethings to be desired. >> >> SteveT >> >> Steve Litt >> Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the >> Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
this is something mike will have to determine, I find even in good USB 3 drives the write performance leaves something to be desired, But I am spoiled On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 1:53 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > It will be a USB3 drive but the port might only be a 2 if that! > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:50 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > > > Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:19:35 > > -0700 > > > > > > > > > >i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired so > > >i would test it out and see if it meets your needs. > > > > If the thumb drive is USB3 and it's connected to a USB3 port, the write > > performance leaves a lot less somethings to be desired. > > > > SteveT > > > > Steve Litt > > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
It will be a USB3 drive but the port might only be a 2 if that! On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 4:50 PM Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote: > > Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:19:35 > -0700 > > > > > >i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired so > >i would test it out and see if it meets your needs. > > If the thumb drive is USB3 and it's connected to a USB3 port, the write > performance leaves a lot less somethings to be desired. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
Stephen Partington via PLUG-discuss said on Fri, 23 Jul 2021 08:19:35 -0700 > >i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired so >i would test it out and see if it meets your needs. If the thumb drive is USB3 and it's connected to a USB3 port, the write performance leaves a lot less somethings to be desired. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
Flash media by nature still has a limit to the number of writes they can make. but wear leveling is pretty smart nowadays. and if you underprovision your drive by say 5-10% (IE leave it raw space without a file system) you can increase this. Most are designed with this concept in mind so it is more about a level of personal paranoia or preference. i still find their write performance leaves something to be desired so i would test it out and see if it meets your needs. Many servers have a dedicated internal port for a thumb drive to serve as the host OS drive. OS's tuned for this frequently only write for updates and push all caching operations off to spinning rust or an SSD. in these use cases the drives will last for 10 years or more because read operations to not reduce the device operation. On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:06 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Have they fixed the number of writes a drive cN TAKE? OR ELSE HOW MANY > WRITES CAN an sd card take. I want to use it for LFS > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
I use many of mine here as a write once and read many. Basically, my entire multimedia library (all legally acquired of course) sits on 5 256 GB drives. They are all USB thumb drives and the only time they are accessed is when I want to play a movie or music locally. They are almost as fast as an HDD on USB when it comes to read speeds. These things will still be working when that tech has gone the way of the Dodo. -Eric From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Technology preservation Dept. > On Jul 21, 2021, at 2:05 PM, Michael via PLUG-discuss > wrote: > > Have they fixed the number of writes a drive cN TAKE? OR ELSE HOW MANY > WRITES CAN an sd card take. I want to use it for LFS > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: using a thumb drive as a partition.
Flash memory indeed has limited write cycles. However, by now it is unlikely that you'll encounter this within the normal lifetime of such a card. Usually, this is in the order of 100,000 write cycles today and SD cards include circuitry to manage wear-leveling, that is, spread out writes over the storage media evenly to avoid "hot spots"—pages that are written too frequently and therefore failing early. Information stored on the card is safe even in magnetic fields because the information is not stored magnetically (contrary to hard drives or floppy disks). As for storage conditions ... you shouldn't store them in mud, water, lava, or other harmful conditions. You probably also shouldn't put them on railways and let trains drive over them. Apart from that, not paying particular attention to where I store my cards I haven't had any adverse effects so far. In practice, I'd think whatever doesn't physically damage the card won't harm the data on it. https://superuser.com/questions/17350/whats-the-life-expectancy-of-an-sd-card#answer-17377 -- Thanks, Alex. On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:06 PM Michael via PLUG-discuss < plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote: > Have they fixed the number of writes a drive cN TAKE? OR ELSE HOW MANY > WRITES CAN an sd card take. I want to use it for LFS > > -- > :-)~MIKE~(-: > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
using a thumb drive as a partition.
Have they fixed the number of writes a drive cN TAKE? OR ELSE HOW MANY WRITES CAN an sd card take. I want to use it for LFS -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
