Re: Red Hat vs. Fedora

[der.hans]

Am 22. Jan, 2009 schwätzte Thomas Cameron so:

moin moin Thomas,


So if you wanted to get an idea of how Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 runs,
Fedora 6 might be a fair example, but it's been EOL for ages.  The
latest version of Fedora, Fedora 10, is not going to be very
representative of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5, as it is actually built
from much newer code.  There are significant changes in Fedora 10,
including a new virtualization engine (KVM), newer window managers,
newer sysadmin tools, and so on.

Please let me know if I can be of service to you or PLUG.


You can get us presentations :).

For instance, I recently did a presentation on the most recent Ubuntu
release. After the most recent Fedora release I asked on the list for
something similar but got no offers :(.

I'd love to have someone come in to talk about RHEL and/or Fedora. Heck,
I'd love a Red Hat and Free Software history presentation outlining many
of the projects that Red Hat has lead over the years.

Presentations on specific stuff like KVM, PulseAudio and JBoss would also
be great.

ciao,

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PLUG site and list maintenance

[der.hans]

moin moin,

we need to move our servers.

I would like to thank Sequoia for hosting our mailing lists for many, many
years and for hosting our web site for the last couple of years.

We are still working out details for the move, but the plan is to move to
Deru. Deru has been offering to host for us for years. I'd like to thank
Deru for extending that offer for so long and for now working with us to
become our new host.

We will send out more mail once the details are known. The site and the
mailing lists will be down during the time of transport sometime this
week.

There will also likely be a some time of DNS problems once we move to the
new IPs.

Please be patient as we get everything setup again :).

ciao,

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Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site

[der.hans]

Am 25. Jan, 2009 schwätzte Dazed_75 so:


the only cookies disabled are third party cookies.  While I have heard of
NoScript, I am not using it.  Javascript is allowed.


That should be sufficient. Drupal does require cookies :(, and does not
gracefully check for cookies :(.

It does not require third party cookies, so you should be fine.


OTOH, I have not actually logged into the site since I first came to PLUG
years ago.  The only reason I tried it last night was that I was killing
time before I felt tired enough to sleep and noticed the Log In button when
I came to the site just to see if the installfest was on the calendar for
1/31.

I will try again in a few days just in case it was that they were working on
the site.


We weren't, but I'm going to hold off on debugging until after we've moved
the boxen.

ciao,

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Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome

[Tuna]

Top-posting 'cuz you did...

I was very happy with KDE. Everything tied together, and it all felt 
very integrated. But then I sort of got bored of it.

Such tight integration can get to be suffocating. And it just feels 
weird when you start to use apps that don't quite fit in, like 
Thunderbird instead of K-Mail, so there's a hole in the fabric. One spot 
where everything doesn't quite line up...

I dropped KDE for icewm. Quite happy with it. It's enough but not too 
much. Cool themes too.

Joe Fleming wrote:
> I still like the lighter weight WMs over either Gnome or KDE, though I 
> understand their "out of the box" appeal. I used to use Openbox when I 
> was running Gentoo back in the day and it was amazing. When I switched 
> to Ubuntu it came with Gnome, and since I was already a lazy Linux user 
> by then (which is why I left Gentoo in the first place), I left it at 
> that. I ran Xubuntu and I absolutely loved how fast Xfce ran, but there 
> were just enough little loose ends to make me switch back to Ubuntu 
> after a couple weeks. I have a friend that did some amazing things with 
> fvwm, but it seems like a lot of tweaking before you get it right. I ran 
> KDE3 for a little while too, but I though it was too much like windows 
> and it wasn't responsive enough for me.
> 
> I really hope KDE4 finds its bearing in 4.2 or some later release. The 
> ideas behind it are pretty revolutionary, just too bad it was so poorly 
> implemented. I had planned to try it out, but then I read so much bad 
> press I figured I'd wait for a bit. One of these days I get back to 
> Openbox/Fluxbox though, I swear it!
> 
> -Joe
> 
> Craig White wrote:
>> On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote:
>>   
>>> I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much
>>> flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working
>>> 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would
>>> look cross eyed at.
>>>
>>> 
>> 
>> I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have
>> to break some eggs
>>
>> They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a
>> lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write
>> from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and
>> everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid.
>>
>> I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things...
>>
>> - expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of
>> using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only
>> supported in a very crude way.
>>
>> - early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people
>> using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to
>> concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase
>> because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left
>> packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new
>> KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development.
>>
>> Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in
>> general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of
>> Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should
>> understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus.
>>
>> Craig
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Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome

[Joe Fleming]

I still like the lighter weight WMs over either
Gnome or KDE, though I understand their "out of the box" appeal. I used
to use Openbox when I was running Gentoo back in the day and it was
amazing. When I switched to Ubuntu it came with Gnome, and since I was
already a lazy Linux user by then (which is why I left Gentoo in the
first place), I left it at that. I ran Xubuntu and I absolutely loved
how fast Xfce ran, but there were just enough little loose ends to make
me switch back to Ubuntu after a couple weeks. I have a friend that did
some amazing things with fvwm, but it seems like a lot of tweaking
before you get it right. I ran KDE3 for a little while too, but I
though it was too much like windows and it wasn't responsive enough for
me.

I really hope KDE4 finds its bearing in 4.2 or some later release. The
ideas behind it are pretty revolutionary, just too bad it was so poorly
implemented. I had planned to try it out, but then I read so much bad
press I figured I'd wait for a bit. One of these days I get back to
Openbox/Fluxbox though, I swear it!

-Joe

Craig White wrote:

  On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote:
  
  
I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much
flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working
90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would
look cross eyed at.


  
  
I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have
to break some eggs

They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a
lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write
from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and
everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid.

I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things...

- expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of
using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only
supported in a very crude way.

- early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people
using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to
concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase
because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left
packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new
KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development.

Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in
general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of
Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should
understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus.

Craig

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Re: Storage mangement advice

[Stephen]

I will have to see if I left ash open. And I think I used ext3, as for
the memory available it is at a default so all 8gb.

Ill have to look at the rest.

Thank you.

On 1/25/09, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
>
> Let's dissect this:
>
> 1) 3Ware
> Optimization is key:
>
> 2) OS?
>
> 3) Openfiler
>
> Openfiler is GREAT STUFF.  Admin user is sensitive; i.e. you cannot change
> the admin user name.  Also the tree permissions are picky for SMB shares and
> home folders:
>
> So for instance, if this is your tree:
>
>
>
> VG
>
> LV
>
>   Folder1  <--- allocated as share, cannot be made homes folder
>
>   Folder2  <--- not allocated as share, can be made homes folder
>
>
> I.E. any folders allocated as shares should not be listed for allocation to
> "homes"
>
> Questions:
>
> a)  You are not using ZFS are you?
> b)  Are you using tracd?
> c)  What memory do you have allocated to openfiler?
> d)  Openfiler with USB devices and various kernel drivers has known issues
> with Volume allocation.
> Solution:  Load the volume group and logical volumes manually... fdisk -l
> shows the partition but lvm vgdisplay says "no volume groups found"
> [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm vgdisplay
>  No volume groups found
> [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay shows the same message...  So the next
> thing to do is to load the volume group manually.. [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm
> vgscan
>  Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
>  Found volume group "rac" using metadata type lvm2
> [r...@openfiler ~]# Now that the volume group is loaded, the lvdisplay shows
> the logical volumes but they are in "NOT Available" status
>  [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay
>--- Logical volume ---
>LV Name/dev/rac/crs
>VG Namerac
>LV UUIDiKo4Jn-s2sX-pVda-RD8n-JxNr-EbiA-azLPIi
>LV Write Accessread/write
>LV Status  NOT available
>LV Size50.00 GB
>Current LE 64
>Segments   1
>Allocation inherit
>Read ahead sectors 0
>  [r...@openfiler ~]# Now change the status of the volume manually
>  [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvchange -a y /dev/rac/crs
>  [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay
>--- Logical volume ---
>LV Name/dev/rac/crs
>VG Namerac
>LV UUIDiKo4Jn-s2sX-pVda-RD8n-JxNr-EbiA-azLPIi
>LV Write Accessread/write
>LV Status  available
># open 0
>LV Size50.00 GB
>Current LE 64
>Segments   1
>Allocation inherit
>Read ahead sectors 0
>Block device   253:0
>  [r...@openfiler ~]# If there are more logical volumes, manually change the
> status for each..
>
>
> Long way around, but you could write a script for this, rather than reboot?
>
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>> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:35:48 -0700
>> Subject: Storage mangement advice
>> From: cryptwo...@gmail.com
>> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>
>> I have a storage server that i am running, i gave a while with
>> openfiler and it has mostly been sucessful, but it is developing a
>> weird quirk that its really unnaceptable.
>>
>> we had created an iSCSI volume and attached it to our server and have
>> atamoving back and forth, quite happily really. but over time it has
>> developed this weird sluggisness only on the webadmin side. the iSCSI
>> performance is fine.. frist tiem we discovered this we had some
>> downtme available as we needed to reboot hte mainserver so we rebooted
>> the storage server as well. however the sluggisness is back... and
>> well this emans the openfiler is holding about 1.7TB of space hostage
>> and not letting me allocate it. and this is kind of unacceptable
>> because if i want to admin the server i should not have to reboot it
>> first.
>>
>> the configuration is a Supermicro board 3ware 8006-2 with a pair od
>> drives with the OS installed, then 6 SATA drives connected as AHCI fro
>> the data array. useing the 3ware to manage the boot partition and also
>> Os/swap seemed a logical choice for me. but now im having second
>> thoughts on useing openfiler but i am at a loss for a plan b.
>>
>> the fun part is i have had no luck finding this issue among any other
>> openfiler users at all. and im faily sure that teh system has the
>> resources avialable.
>>
>> 8gb of ram and a single harpertown 5405 i think is a little overkill
>> to have "performance issues"
>>
>> the hardware was eventually going to be repurposeable to a virtual
>> host so we werent concerned with "wast" on overkill hardware. but as
>> we are having to completely reset the network we dont want to buy a
>> whole lot of hardware that we dont have a clear use in a new h

HackFest Series: Imbedded Graphics Exploits

[Lisa Kachold]

DLL_Injection_In_Vista.tgz
- Whitepaper discussing DLL injection on Windows Vista (32bit).
Includes an executable for injecting a DLL in a process of your choice
and the original source code is in the pdf. mediamonkey-overflow.txt - 
MediaMonkey version 3.0.6 local buffer overflow proof of concept exploit that 
creates a malicious .m3u file. merak-overflow.txt - Merak Media Player version 
3.2 .m3u file local buffer overflow proof of concept exploit. 
elecard-overflow.txt - EleCard MPEG Player local stack overflow exploit that 
creates a malicious .m3u file that binds a shell to port . 
lib_postgresqludf_sys_0.0.1.tar.gz - Patched source code for 
lib_postgresqludf_sys that allows for command execution on postgres with user 
defined functions. Hide Files Inside JPG  - Using a CMD shell and Open Source 
archive - binary copy to produce a JPEG hiding files.


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RE: Storage mangement advice

[Lisa Kachold]

Let's dissect this:

1) 3Ware 
Optimization is key:

2) OS? 

3) Openfiler 

Openfiler is GREAT STUFF.  Admin user is sensitive; i.e. you cannot change the 
admin user name.  Also the tree permissions are picky for SMB shares and home 
folders:

So for instance, if this is your tree:



VG

LV

  Folder1  <--- allocated as share, cannot be made homes folder

  Folder2  <--- not allocated as share, can be made homes folder

   
I.E. any folders allocated as shares should not be listed for allocation to 
"homes"

Questions:

a)  You are not using ZFS are you?
b)  Are you using tracd?
c)  What memory do you have allocated to openfiler?
d)  Openfiler with USB devices and various kernel drivers has known issues with 
Volume allocation.  
Solution:  Load the volume group and logical volumes manually... fdisk -l shows 
the partition but lvm vgdisplay says "no volume groups found" [r...@openfiler 
~]# lvm vgdisplay
 No volume groups found
[r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay shows the same message...  So the next thing 
to do is to load the volume group manually.. [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm vgscan
 Reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...
 Found volume group "rac" using metadata type lvm2
[r...@openfiler ~]# Now that the volume group is loaded, the lvdisplay shows 
the logical volumes but they are in "NOT Available" status
 [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay
   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name/dev/rac/crs
   VG Namerac
   LV UUIDiKo4Jn-s2sX-pVda-RD8n-JxNr-EbiA-azLPIi
   LV Write Accessread/write
   LV Status  NOT available
   LV Size50.00 GB
   Current LE 64
   Segments   1
   Allocation inherit
   Read ahead sectors 0
 [r...@openfiler ~]# Now change the status of the volume manually
 [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvchange -a y /dev/rac/crs
 [r...@openfiler ~]# lvm lvdisplay
   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name/dev/rac/crs
   VG Namerac
   LV UUIDiKo4Jn-s2sX-pVda-RD8n-JxNr-EbiA-azLPIi
   LV Write Accessread/write
   LV Status  available
   # open 0
   LV Size50.00 GB
   Current LE 64
   Segments   1
   Allocation inherit
   Read ahead sectors 0
   Block device   253:0
 [r...@openfiler ~]# If there are more logical volumes, manually change the 
status for each..


Long way around, but you could write a script for this, rather than reboot?

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> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:35:48 -0700
> Subject: Storage mangement advice
> From: cryptwo...@gmail.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> I have a storage server that i am running, i gave a while with
> openfiler and it has mostly been sucessful, but it is developing a
> weird quirk that its really unnaceptable.
> 
> we had created an iSCSI volume and attached it to our server and have
> atamoving back and forth, quite happily really. but over time it has
> developed this weird sluggisness only on the webadmin side. the iSCSI
> performance is fine.. frist tiem we discovered this we had some
> downtme available as we needed to reboot hte mainserver so we rebooted
> the storage server as well. however the sluggisness is back... and
> well this emans the openfiler is holding about 1.7TB of space hostage
> and not letting me allocate it. and this is kind of unacceptable
> because if i want to admin the server i should not have to reboot it
> first.
> 
> the configuration is a Supermicro board 3ware 8006-2 with a pair od
> drives with the OS installed, then 6 SATA drives connected as AHCI fro
> the data array. useing the 3ware to manage the boot partition and also
> Os/swap seemed a logical choice for me. but now im having second
> thoughts on useing openfiler but i am at a loss for a plan b.
> 
> the fun part is i have had no luck finding this issue among any other
> openfiler users at all. and im faily sure that teh system has the
> resources avialable.
> 
> 8gb of ram and a single harpertown 5405 i think is a little overkill
> to have "performance issues"
> 
> the hardware was eventually going to be repurposeable to a virtual
> host so we werent concerned with "wast" on overkill hardware. but as
> we are having to completely reset the network we dont want to buy a
> whole lot of hardware that we dont have a clear use in a new home. or
> will become "throw away" hardware that will have no eventual purpose
> in our new facility.
> 
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> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
> 
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RE: Dead Firewall!

[Lisa Kachold]

I have an external CDROM, but it's not going to work with boot installation 
software.

If someone can boot into a Knoppix floppy and hand dd the source over?

Do you have a BIOS that will allow a USB boot?

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> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> From: e...@shubes.net
> Subject: Re: Dead Firewall!
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:05:54 -0700
> 
> farli wrote:
> > I have a firewall computer that is dying a slow death!
> > 
> > I need someone to upgrade the firewall software!  I would try it myself 
> > except that the firewall box has no cd drive.  Installing something like 
> >   IPCop (I have a copy of IPCop v1.4.10) ona box without a cd drive is 
> > not something I am able to do alone.
> > 
> > Anyone willing to assist?  I am located near 19th Ave and Glendale.  If 
> > you think you can get me back up and running with full internet access 
> > through this cdless computer, please contact me off the list.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Jim
> 
> I think we could get it going with IPCop if you bring it to the 
> InstallFest next Saturday. I have a spare drive that can be used for the 
> install. Please acknowledge if this is what you'd like to do, and we'll 
> be sure to have everything needed.
> 
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Re: Wireless security......

[bmike1]

cool I was using the wrong ipaddress.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The good news is that you can always google for the default IP addy.
> Use a search string like:
>
> default IP address [routerbrand]
>
> (dlink, linksys, whatever)
>
> 99% of the time that will get you the number you need.  If that
> doesn't do it, pull up the manual for that particular modem make/model
> - virtually all of them are available as it saves them a certain
> number of tech support calls...
>
> I assume you know you can reset routers with a "mini button" on the
> back?  A toothpick is the best tool for those :).  With the power on,
> hold it down until the lights flash on the front.
>
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RE: Linux without swap

[Bob Elzer]

Do like suggested, create a file for swap.

Swap depends on what programs you run and what the programs require.

There is all sorts of reasons for programs to use memory, since memory
access is a lot faster the disk.

So maybe a program loads It's database in memory to get faster record lookup
and retrieval, if it's a big DB, you could run out of memory, or the program
could quit, who knows.

Maybe lots of users run multiple copies of the same program, the more copies
the more memory, again if there is no swap, then when you reach the limit
programs don't run.

It used to be you would create a swap space 2 to 3 times the amount of
memory you had, again depending on what programs the system will be running.

I still like to create a swap space at least as big as the memory I have.

You never know when I might load that entire sort into memory :-)


 

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Number 1:
My understanding is that swap space will be useful even in high amounts of
ram, because buffers almost never used will land there.
It may not be a great help, but you apparently have more changes of being
hurt without swap. 

Number 2:
Use "Logical" partitions, and now you can bump the total to 16:
4 "Real" partitions and
4 "Logical" partitions per physical partition.
YMMV...   :)
ET 

 

 

 


Stephen writes: 

> I understand that swap is not as critical anymore with machines now 
> having 2, 4, and even larger amounts of Ram available. but aside from 
> being able to allow a more graceful recovery of a runaway process. how 
> needed is swap in a desktop machine?
> 
> reason i ask is I'm getting ready to try and cram a 3rd partition on a 
> macbook pro and the EFI boot schema it has can only deal with 4 
> partitions, but mac OSX has 2 of those and i have XP Pro in there as 
> well. and if i include swap space i will be at 5 not the limit of 4.
> 
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Re: Dead Firewall!

[Eric Shubert]

farli wrote:
> I have a firewall computer that is dying a slow death!
> 
> I need someone to upgrade the firewall software!  I would try it myself 
> except that the firewall box has no cd drive.  Installing something like 
>   IPCop (I have a copy of IPCop v1.4.10) ona box without a cd drive is 
> not something I am able to do alone.
> 
> Anyone willing to assist?  I am located near 19th Ave and Glendale.  If 
> you think you can get me back up and running with full internet access 
> through this cdless computer, please contact me off the list.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jim

I think we could get it going with IPCop if you bring it to the 
InstallFest next Saturday. I have a spare drive that can be used for the 
install. Please acknowledge if this is what you'd like to do, and we'll 
be sure to have everything needed.

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Re: Dead Firewall!

[Stephen]

Us optical drives are cheap now, and there are some usb thumb drive
options. I'd suggest the free smooth wall it easy and tight

On 1/25/09, farli  wrote:
> I have a firewall computer that is dying a slow death!
>
> I need someone to upgrade the firewall software!  I would try it myself
> except that the firewall box has no cd drive.  Installing something like
>   IPCop (I have a copy of IPCop v1.4.10) ona box without a cd drive is
> not something I am able to do alone.
>
> Anyone willing to assist?  I am located near 19th Ave and Glendale.  If
> you think you can get me back up and running with full internet access
> through this cdless computer, please contact me off the list.
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
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Dead Firewall!

[farli]

I have a firewall computer that is dying a slow death!

I need someone to upgrade the firewall software!  I would try it myself 
except that the firewall box has no cd drive.  Installing something like 
  IPCop (I have a copy of IPCop v1.4.10) ona box without a cd drive is 
not something I am able to do alone.

Anyone willing to assist?  I am located near 19th Ave and Glendale.  If 
you think you can get me back up and running with full internet access 
through this cdless computer, please contact me off the list.

TIA

Jim
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RE: Fine DeskTop Background

[Bob Elzer]

There's something wrong, it appears to be hung on booting.
 

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Re: Trying Fedora

[Nathan England]

On Friday 23 January 2009 22:55:50 Craig White wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 20:10 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote:
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:54:23 -0700
> >
> > Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> > >  try Ubuntu... jmz
> >
> > ubuntu 8.10 is both good and bad.
> > I have used ubuntu for a couple years now, and had no problems until 8.10
> > I have bugs in for 2 things:
> > my DVD drive doesn't work - so I am living w/o it
> > I have a usb drive that goes into a race condition and fills up the log
>
> 
> make sure your BIOS is up to date
> 
>
> > I have spent a lot of time getting everything to work, and I will just
> > hope that some patch sometime fixes the issues.
> >
> > KDE 4 sucks!
>
> 
> I suspect that Fedora is a bit ahead of Ubuntu/Kubuntu on KDE-4 at the
> moment because Fedora 10 is the second release with KDE-4 and when it
> was released with Fedora 9, there was a ton of objections.
>
> KDE 4.2 is on the horizon and release candidates are available but of
> course outside of the standard distribution packaging. Again, Fedora has
> been really aggressive here, backporting fixes and in general, I am
> really loving KDE-4 myself. Fedora packagers just put out a complete set
> of KDE updates yesterday...the second or third massive update of KDE-4
> in the few weeks of F10 availability. I love those guys for what they're
> doing.
>
> That said, regardless of the status of the 'Folder View' Plasmoid, the
> desktop on KDE-4 simply is not what people are used to and it is pretty
> much dead space where the filesystem is concerned. If you're
> pre-disposed to keeping files on your Desktop, then KDE-4 will bother
> you.
>
> Craig
>

I have been using KDE 4 since 4.1.0 came out. I really rather like it. I'm not 
very accustomed to putting files on my desktop, but rather various objects and 
so KDE 4 fits me perfect with the plasmoids. I use the knotes plasmoid to keep 
a rather large note on the side of my desktop and the show dashboard plasmoid 
button on my taskbar so I can quickly get to my notes plasmoid. I cannot 
remember life before this! When I must keep files on the desktop I find 
folderview does what I need rather well.

I have to say, while a bit buggy, 4.2.0 is going to be awesome. I have the 
packages built for PaysonLinux and it works very well. The only major problem 
I have found is the disconnected-imap in kmail casuing a race situation that 
causes so much disk activity I have to forcibly shutdown my laptop, though it 
does not happen every time. The kdepim guys and I have been working on this 
for a couple weeks, but it will not be a showstopper for the 4.2.0 release... 
Seems not a lot of people are using dimap, though, again, I cannot imagine 
life without it!

Nathan


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Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site

[Dazed_75]

the only cookies disabled are third party cookies.  While I have heard of
NoScript, I am not using it.  Javascript is allowed.

OTOH, I have not actually logged into the site since I first came to PLUG
years ago.  The only reason I tried it last night was that I was killing
time before I felt tired enough to sleep and noticed the Log In button when
I came to the site just to see if the installfest was on the calendar for
1/31.

I will try again in a few days just in case it was that they were working on
the site.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

>  I know that Alan and Hans were moving to a new donated NOC hoster
> yesterday.
>
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>
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> Subject: Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site
> From: lthiels...@gmail.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>
>
> Yes, it did not seem to do that.  By which I mean that when I was not
> redirected to the page for changing the new password, I tried to get there
> manually and got a response that said I had to be logged in to do that.
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:52 AM, bmike1  wrote:
>
> the link automagicly logs you in. Or are you saying it didn't do that?
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:
>
> Attempted to log in to http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ using the login link at
> the left and I get user or password not recognized.  So I tried telling it
> to reset my password based on my user name (not my email addr) and it did
> send me an email with a one-time login link.  The email said I would be
> redirected to the page where I should then change the password.  I was NOT
> logged in and I was not redirected.  Since the email only gave me the link
> and did not contain the newly reset password, I still have no way to log in.
>
> Anyway, its not a big deal as I don't even remember what I would log in to
> do.  But it does seem clear the system is broken and needs attention.
>
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Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome

[Craig White]

On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote:
> I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much
> flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working
> 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would
> look cross eyed at.
> 

I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have
to break some eggs

They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a
lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write
from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and
everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid.

I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things...

- expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of
using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only
supported in a very crude way.

- early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people
using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to
concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase
because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left
packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new
KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development.

Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in
general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of
Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should
understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus.

Craig

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RE: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome

[Lisa Kachold]

Well if anyone has attempted to setup Fedora 10 - they will find the release of 
KDE4 a huge disappointment.  KDE4 in Ubuntu is not a great deal better.  
Virtualization is the excuse, however, it's clear the release process was 
flawed.

On the Fedora Forums you can even see people actually saying to each other that 
Gnome is "not bad" since they like the design and are already emotionally 
attached to the whole marketing schtick of being a Fedora adopter/user/tester.

Linus Torvalds simply rings in with the rest of us.

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linus-torvalds-switched-back-to-gnome.html

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> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:43:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
> From: jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought
> the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess
> with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I
> noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled
> in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I
> had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake
> and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes
> still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap
> 
> On 1/24/09, Tuna  wrote:
> > You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend.
> >
> > FLAMEWAR OH SHI-
> >
> > Jason wrote:
> >> I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >>> I'm shocked.  -jmz
> >>>
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RE: Unable to log in to PLUG web site

[Lisa Kachold]

I know that Alan and Hans were moving to a new donated NOC hoster yesterday.





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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:44:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site
From: lthiels...@gmail.com
To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us

Yes, it did not seem to do that.  By which I mean that when I was not 
redirected to the page for changing the new password, I tried to get there 
manually and got a response that said I had to be logged in to do that.


On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:52 AM, bmike1  wrote:

the link automagicly logs you in. Or are you saying it didn't do that?

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:


Attempted to log in to http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ using the login link at the 
left and I get user or password not recognized.  So I tried telling it to reset 
my password based on my user name (not my email addr) and it did send me an 
email with a one-time login link.  The email said I would be redirected to the 
page where I should then change the password.  I was NOT logged in and I was 
not redirected.  Since the email only gave me the link and did not contain the 
newly reset password, I still have no way to log in.




Anyway, its not a big deal as I don't even remember what I would log in to do.  
But it does seem clear the system is broken and needs attention.
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Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome

[James Finstrom]

I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much
flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working
90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would
look cross eyed at.

On 1/24/09, Stephen  wrote:
> this is the reality of the computing world really. technology does not
> exist for its own sake, but for the sake of supplying the need.
> windows linux apple OS2 wichever if it pisses people off it fails.
>
> Overall people really dont want to invest a horrible amount of time
> into making something work unless absolutely needed. i think that tis
> reality is soemthign ubuntu met incredibly well. they took a very good
> base and pacakge management system and put alot of polish into it and
> i think for most users its great..
>
> but in the end i see RH/CentOs/SUSE being the business favored
> backend, for now.. and that only because of RPM more than anything
> else.. there are some things that just get easier to do with an RPM
> than rolling a script and sorting it out. i may be smark, but i lack
> the special patience that a decent programmer needs, and therfore i
> look for thigns that others have built and assemble them as needed.
>
> This is a reality of the world, even in somsone who has the codeing
> familiarity with linux as Torvaldis he still breaks down to a point
> where it makes his life easier to work in the same way...
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>  James, there are a lot of clear advantages to using the Ubuntu
>> distro.  For starters its far more stable than Kubuntu.
>>
>>  I used to be a Kubuntu guy, but I just gave into Ubuntu, its the
>> easiest way for me to run Linux, plus its an easy sell to a manager,
>> etc.  Even though we all value choice, sometimes you just gotta get
>> with the program.
>>
>>  -jmz
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Finstrom
>>  wrote:
>>> I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought
>>> the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess
>>> with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I
>>> noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled
>>> in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I
>>> had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake
>>> and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes
>>> still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap
>>>
>>> On 1/24/09, Tuna  wrote:
 You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend.

 FLAMEWAR OH SHI-

 Jason wrote:
> I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :)
>
>
> On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>> I'm shocked.  -jmz
>>
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218&from=rss
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Re: Wireless security......

[Jim March]

The good news is that you can always google for the default IP addy.
Use a search string like:

default IP address [routerbrand]

(dlink, linksys, whatever)

99% of the time that will get you the number you need.  If that
doesn't do it, pull up the manual for that particular modem make/model
- virtually all of them are available as it saves them a certain
number of tech support calls...

I assume you know you can reset routers with a "mini button" on the
back?  A toothpick is the best tool for those :).  With the power on,
hold it down until the lights flash on the front.

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Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site

[Dazed_75]

Yes, it did not seem to do that.  By which I mean that when I was not
redirected to the page for changing the new password, I tried to get there
manually and got a response that said I had to be logged in to do that.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 5:52 AM, bmike1  wrote:

> the link automagicly logs you in. Or are you saying it didn't do that?
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:
>
>> Attempted to log in to http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ using the login link at
>> the left and I get user or password not recognized.  So I tried telling it
>> to reset my password based on my user name (not my email addr) and it did
>> send me an email with a one-time login link.  The email said I would be
>> redirected to the page where I should then change the password.  I was NOT
>> logged in and I was not redirected.  Since the email only gave me the link
>> and did not contain the newly reset password, I still have no way to log in.
>>
>> Anyway, its not a big deal as I don't even remember what I would log in to
>> do.  But it does seem clear the system is broken and needs attention.
>>
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Re: Wireless security......

[Jon M. Hanson]

All of the routers are different. There isn't a standard IP address  
that they use or standard login credentials.
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On Jan 25, 2009, at 6:19 AM, bmike1 wrote:

> I'm getting a job (hopefully) working for ATT connecting DSL  
> services. I'm cool with it but am unsure how to setup security  
> features without following router setup procedures. Any pointers>
>
> Is it as simple as typing 192.168.100.1 and going down to a type-in  
> box that says something like 'password'?
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Wireless security......

[bmike1]

I'm getting a job (hopefully) working for ATT connecting DSL services. I'm
cool with it but am unsure how to setup security features without following
router setup procedures. Any pointers>

Is it as simple as typing 192.168.100.1 and going down to a type-in box that
says something like 'password'?

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Re: Unable to log in to PLUG web site

[bmike1]

the link automagicly logs you in. Or are you saying it didn't do that?

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Attempted to log in to http://plug.phoenix.az.us/ using the login link at
> the left and I get user or password not recognized.  So I tried telling it
> to reset my password based on my user name (not my email addr) and it did
> send me an email with a one-time login link.  The email said I would be
> redirected to the page where I should then change the password.  I was NOT
> logged in and I was not redirected.  Since the email only gave me the link
> and did not contain the newly reset password, I still have no way to log in.
>
> Anyway, its not a big deal as I don't even remember what I would log in to
> do.  But it does seem clear the system is broken and needs attention.
>
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> that is struck with the difference between what things are and what they
> ought to be.
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Re: Linux without swap

[kitepi...@kitepilot.com]

Number 1:
My understanding is that swap space will be useful even in high amounts of 
ram, because buffers almost never used will land there.
It may not be a great help, but you apparently have more changes of being 
hurt without swap. 

Number 2:
Use "Logical" partitions, and now you can bump the total to 16:
4 "Real" partitions and
4 "Logical" partitions per physical partition.
YMMV...   :)
ET 

 

 

 


Stephen writes: 

> I understand that swap is not as critical anymore with machines now
> having 2, 4, and even larger amounts of Ram available. but aside from
> being able to allow a more graceful recovery of a runaway process. how
> needed is swap in a desktop machine? 
> 
> reason i ask is I'm getting ready to try and cram a 3rd partition on a
> macbook pro and the EFI boot schema it has can only deal with 4
> partitions, but mac OSX has 2 of those and i have XP Pro in there as
> well. and if i include swap space i will be at 5 not the limit of 4. 
> 
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