sortof OT: wiki software
I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. -- Jason Hayes --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up wordpress drupal movable type joomla wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Jason Hayesja...@jasonhayes.org wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. -- Jason Hayes --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
None of the CMS options in your list are a wiki. True, users can be allowed to edit pages or stories in these systems, but they are not wikis. Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up wordpress drupal movable type joomla wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
Yeah. I am already using Drupal for the main site. However, I want to set up (only) a wiki. I won't need to have the blog, calendar, etc. modules on this site. -- Jason Hayes On Monday 15 June 2009 09:48:29 am Alan Dayley wrote: None of the CMS options in your list are a wiki. True, users can be allowed to edit pages or stories in these systems, but they are not wikis. Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up wordpress drupal movable type joomla wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Jason Hayesja...@jasonhayes.org wrote: Yeah. I am already using Drupal for the main site. However, I want to set up (only) a wiki. I won't need to have the blog, calendar, etc. modules on this site. Then go mediawiki; once it's up, it's dead simple. Plus, its use in LARGE sites (see wikipedia) makes it more comfortable for new users. -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix OnBoard-NG --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
I have had success with using PmWiki. I have set up three or four sites with it. One was for a group of non technical people. I received zero complaints about difficulty using it. It can be set up with different levels of security. There are add-on modules for increased capability though I have never used any of them. Harold On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 09:48 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: None of the CMS options in your list are a wiki. True, users can be allowed to edit pages or stories in these systems, but they are not wikis. Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up wordpress drupal movable type joomla wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
I've found that the hardest part of using a wiki for most people is the wiki markup. I tried to implement a wiki at work but nobody understood how to use it so nobody used it. I looked into changing over to a wiki with WYSIWYG input (specifically Wikka Wiki), but the idea was eventually (and sadly) dropped for lack of interest. We continue to use Word and Excell documents scattered all over peoples' machines and in random places on a central file server. Sigh. My suggestion would be to find a wiki that is both powerful and offers some kind of WYSIWYG interface, either out of the box or as a plugin. That way, users will be able to quickly create articles and use the thing, you just need to explain to them how to make new articles. -Joe Jason Hayes wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
I'll take a look. Thanks! -- Jason Hayes On Monday 15 June 2009 10:06:33 am koder wrote: I have had success with using PmWiki. I have set up three or four sites with it. One was for a group of non technical people. I received zero complaints about difficulty using it. It can be set up with different levels of security. There are add-on modules for increased capability though I have never used any of them. Harold On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 09:48 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: None of the CMS options in your list are a wiki. True, users can be allowed to edit pages or stories in these systems, but they are not wikis. Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up wordpress drupal movable type joomla wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
I foresee that being a big block to the wiki's use. As I said, most of the people using the wiki will be non-tech types. They're also doing this project as an add on to their normal work duties, so if there is a steep learning curve for the markup, they may grow weary of the project quickly. If I can find a WYSIWYG module and people could just cut and paste from Word or OO Writer, that would help make the wiki more useful. -- Jason Hayes On Monday 15 June 2009 10:06:45 am Joe wrote: I've found that the hardest part of using a wiki for most people is the wiki markup. I tried to implement a wiki at work but nobody understood how to use it so nobody used it. I looked into changing over to a wiki with WYSIWYG input (specifically Wikka Wiki), but the idea was eventually (and sadly) dropped for lack of interest. We continue to use Word and Excell documents scattered all over peoples' machines and in random places on a central file server. Sigh. My suggestion would be to find a wiki that is both powerful and offers some kind of WYSIWYG interface, either out of the box or as a plugin. That way, users will be able to quickly create articles and use the thing, you just need to explain to them how to make new articles. -Joe Jason Hayes wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jason Hayesja...@jasonhayes.org wrote: I foresee that being a big block to the wiki's use. As I said, most of the people using the wiki will be non-tech types. They're also doing this project as an add on to their normal work duties, so if there is a steep learning curve for the markup, they may grow weary of the project quickly. If I can find a WYSIWYG module and people could just cut and paste from Word or OO Writer, that would help make the wiki more useful. OO Writer can export mediawiki text ;) -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix OnBoard-NG --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
Jason Hayes wrote: I foresee that being a big block to the wiki's use. As I said, most of the people using the wiki will be non-tech types. They're also doing this project as an add on to their normal work duties, so if there is a steep learning curve for the markup, they may grow weary of the project quickly. If I can find a WYSIWYG module and people could just cut and paste from Word or OO Writer, that would help make the wiki more useful. There is an office plugin for the Confluence wiki (http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/personal-wiki.jsp) called Save-To-Wiki that lets you upload Word or Excel docs directly to the wiki, or alternatively just lets you copy the converted markup to your clipboard so you can paste it yourself. Confluence is a lot harder to setup and maintain than MediaWiki though, as it uses a TomCat instance. There may be similar Wiki markup exporters for MediaWiki and other popular Wikis. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: sortof OT: wiki software
Here is a real simple self contained wiki Tiddly Wiki. http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Hayes Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:15 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: sortof OT: wiki software I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? Thanks in advance. -- Jason Hayes --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jason Hayes wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? I had good luck with Instiki but I'm pretty comfortable with ruby. http://www.instiki.org/show/HomePage There are several editors to choose from including WYSIWYG ones. Good luck! -- Vegetarians eat Vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
wiki features
moin moin, we've got the thread about which wiki, but first we need to know what wiki capabilities to look at. The one we're using allows exporting the pages to ODF, which can then be used to generate PDF. This has been great for genertating partner and customer data. . unlimited revisioning . export to ODF, PDF, etc. . reuse of data . ACLs . ACLs on attachments . import from ODF . auto-build TOC, but be able to turn it off . WYSIWYG for tables . RSS feeds . being able to add images . themes and skins . configurable export to ODF, PDF, etc. http://www.wikimatrix.org/ I don't know what a third of the things listed are. This illustrates why it's good to ask about wiki features. I don't know what's possible at this point, so it's good to first see what features might be important for my users, then look at which wikis support those features. Import from ODF probably requires the ODF creator ( OOo, Koffice, etc. ) to realize it's creating a doc for a wiki. It would be nice to be able to reuse data. For instance, personal pages have listings of favorite songs. Then we have another page that imports all those individual lists and does some sort of manipulation. By 'configurable export' I mean that the wiki allows defining/changing the export template to meet local requirements. Perhaps, for instance, we always want the highest level header to be bright purple when the doc gets exported. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # so now the US army is sacrificing goats -- Alice Cooper, 15Sep2004 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: sortof OT: wiki software
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jason Hayes wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? I had good luck with Instiki but I'm pretty comfortable with ruby. http://www.instiki.org/show/HomePage There are several editors to choose from including WYSIWYG ones. Good luck! -- Vegetarians eat Vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] I understand the concerns raised by joefleming, but I think to some extent the issue of user training, or acceptance, getting started using it, might well be *helped* by using Mediawiki, ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki ) since it is used on wikipedia, and hence, any experience of editing on wikipedia, that a given user might already have, would be transferable and might serve to get over the writer's block or first time [to use a certain wiki] procrastination / hesitation. ALSO, do not underestimate ! the extent to which a user's willingness to learn (( how to use the wiki markup language for MediaWiki )) might be helped by the fact that, any knowledge that is gained, will be useful also for [participating in] editing on wikipedia. Ryan Rix (in his first comment) already mentioned the fact that MediaWiki is very widely used -- and hence I guess that is a good argument for assuming that the maintenance of the software will probably continue to occur, even if you yourself do not take the time and effort to report and document the bugs, if any -- and, *never mind* the issue of whether you take the time and effort [or are even qualified] to FIX the bugs! However, the fact that MediaWiki is widely used by THOUSANDS of people who make changes (edits) on wikipedia (anything from a big re-write, to a minor tweak), means that the user interface is well suited to being learned by newbies, -- and, it is probably well suited to being *partially* learned, at first, and you can then accomplish some simple edit (like a Y/N reply to someone's idea/suggestion), and then LATER, you can add to your knowledge, gradually, as time permits, and as the need arises. Also, in R. Rix's second chime in on this, he said OO Writer can export mediawiki text ;) which might also be interpreted as one of the side effects of that data format being widely used. That is what happens when it is widely used, and well known, AND it is defined by some kind of clear published standard (like, I think the reference implementation is also FLOSS), with no patents or trademarks etc., interfering with the ability of software vendors (floss or otherwise) being able to provide tools that support it / are compatible with it. I have OOo on my computer, and I use it sometimes, but so far I have not even thought about using it to do edits on wikipedia - or any wiki that uses mediawiki wiki-text. However, if an issue should arise, say, of trying to take some report (or some extracted data) from a SQL database e.g., or something like that, then it could prove to be quite useful to have the option of using OO Writer to do some of the editing -- and then commanding that software to export some mediawiki text. Then you could then put that in to the wiki, and everyone could have at it with the usual way, of just using a browser (such as Firefox) to make everyday common or garden variety (easy) changes. Among the other things I think are cool about mediawiki, at least the way it is set up on wikipedia, is that, it automatically keeps track of a bunch of statistical info about every change that is made -- so, one can [1] do a diff, and see what changed, for a given edit; [2] see the date and time, when that edit occurred; [3] see who made that edit; and [4] see the comments (if any) that were entered on that date at that time [2], by that person [3], to try to explain the change [1], in English. and, in some cases, there are other statistical slices of the same data, e.g. you can go look at all of the contributions from a certain user. Do all wiki's do the above? [1] through [4]? I know noth ing... [quote thanks to the character Schultz on the old tv show 'Hogan's
RE: sortof OT: wiki software
From the wiki leader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software list by programming language. Another page, how to choose a wiki http://www.iterating.com/productclasses/Wiki-Engines Wiki Choice wizard http://www.wikimatrix.org/wizard.php _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Mike Schwartz Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:15 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list; Jason Hayes Cc: Alan Dayley; Mike L Schwartz Subject: Re: sortof OT: wiki software On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Jason Hayes wrote: I know that this may be a Chevy vs. Ford, or which distro is the best distro kind of question, but I need to find a solid, easy to use wiki setup for people who may or may not be terribly tech-savvy. I will set it up (so that doesn't need to be part of the weighting), but I need to figure out which software will suit a group who is trying to set up a site with information that will help vest and educate new hires in our industry. Our budget is $0 (so I have to use OSS) and I am most comfortable working in a PHP/mySQL environment, so I have tentatively settled on two, MediaWiki and Moin Moin wiki http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinWiki Anyone out there have any experience with one or both of these. Anyone have another suggestion? I had good luck with Instiki but I'm pretty comfortable with ruby. http://www.instiki.org/show/HomePage There are several editors to choose from including WYSIWYG ones. Good luck! -- Vegetarians eat Vegetables, Humanitarians frighten me --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] I understand the concerns raised by joefleming, but I think to some extent the issue of user training, or acceptance, getting started using it, might well be *helped* by using Mediawiki, ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki ) since it is used on wikipedia, and hence, any experience of editing on wikipedia, that a given user might already have, would be transferable and might serve to get over the writer's block or first time [to use a certain wiki] procrastination / hesitation. ALSO, do not underestimate ! the extent to which a user's willingness to learn (( how to use the wiki markup language for MediaWiki )) might be helped by the fact that, any knowledge that is gained, will be useful also for [participating in] editing on wikipedia. Ryan Rix (in his first comment) already mentioned the fact that MediaWiki is very widely used -- and hence I guess that is a good argument for assuming that the maintenance of the software will probably continue to occur, even if you yourself do not take the time and effort to report and document the bugs, if any -- and, *never mind* the issue of whether you take the time and effort [or are even qualified] to FIX the bugs! However, the fact that MediaWiki is widely used by THOUSANDS of people who make changes (edits) on wikipedia (anything from a big re-write, to a minor tweak), means that the user interface is well suited to being learned by newbies, -- and, it is probably well suited to being *partially* learned, at first, and you can then accomplish some simple edit (like a Y/N reply to someone's idea/suggestion), and then LATER, you can add to your knowledge, gradually, as time permits, and as the need arises. Also, in R. Rix's second chime in on this, he said OO Writer can export mediawiki text ;) which might also be interpreted as one of the side effects of that data format being widely used. That is what happens when it is widely used, and well known, AND it is defined by some kind of clear published standard (like, I think the reference implementation is also FLOSS), with no patents or trademarks etc., interfering with the ability of software vendors (floss or otherwise) being able to provide tools that support it / are compatible with it. I have OOo on my computer, and I use it sometimes, but so far I have not even thought about using it to do edits on wikipedia - or any wiki that uses mediawiki wiki-text. However, if an issue should arise, say, of trying to take some report (or some extracted data) from a SQL database e.g., or something like that, then it could prove to be quite useful to have the option of using OO Writer to do some of the editing -- and then commanding that software to export some mediawiki text. Then you could then put that in to the wiki, and everyone could have at it with the usual way, of just using a browser (such as Firefox) to make everyday common or garden variety (easy) changes. Among the other things I think are cool about mediawiki, at least the way it is set up on wikipedia, is that, it automatically keeps track of a bunch of statistical info about every change that is made -- so, one
Wildcard SSL difficulties.
I'm working on a CentOS box that has a main site and several test sites setup as sub-domains. The main site has an SSL and is setup on an IP by itself. The sub-domains are setup as virtual hosts. All is working well. The server is a managed server and we recently upgraded to a wild card SSL so we can test the shopping cart on the test sites using an SSl to catch any problems before we move the code to the live server. Up to this point I have been able to add new virtual hosts at will. Basically all I have to do is copy one of the virtual server definitions and change a few things like doc root and I'm off and running. Of course a DNS addition needs to occurs also. I assume to take advantage of the SSL each virtual server will need to be on the same IP as the main site. The only virtual servers we have are sub-domains to the main site. Here is my problem. When I put the IP of the main site in the viral server like this VirtualHost 000.000.000.000:80 ServerAdmin n...@server.tld DocumentRoot /home/docroot/public_html ServerName docroot.domain.tld ErrorLog /home/docroot/logs/error_log-docroot CustomLog /home/docroot/logs/combined_log-docroot combined Include conf.d/notrace.conf /VirtualHost The main site will not load in my browser. I do not recall the exact message - something like you do not have directory access permission or something like that. Any advise is much appreciated. Keith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ABLEconf 2009 planning
I might be able to help in some capacity. What date, if any, is targeted for this year's event? Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:09 PM, der.hanspl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, it's time to get ABLEconf 2009 going. Please join the ABLEconf discuss list and join our meetings Sunday nights if you'd like to participate. Last year's event went really well. We've got some experience under our belts, so we should be able to do even better this year. We do need to do a better job of reaching out to the general public. We certainly have opportunity as Free Software makes even more financial sense in a down economy. This is a state-wide event even though it'll be in the Phoenix area. http://www.ABLEconf.com/node/24 ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # A t-shirt a day keeps the noose away. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ABLEconf 2009 planning
Am 15. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: I might be able to help in some capacity. What date, if any, is targeted for this year's event? That's open for debate. We'll discuss it at Sunday's IRC meeting. To me it looks like we should target early Oktober. http://www.ABLEconf.com/participate ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ABLEconf 2009 planning
May want to consider sometime around Geek Week AZ, Nov 6-15. http://azgeekweek.com/ Alan On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:59 PM, der.hanspl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 15. Jun, 2009 schwätzte Alan Dayley so: I might be able to help in some capacity. What date, if any, is targeted for this year's event? That's open for debate. We'll discuss it at Sunday's IRC meeting. To me it looks like we should target early Oktober. http://www.ABLEconf.com/participate ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # I've got a photographic memory, # but I'm lousy photographer. - der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
