Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Ted Gouldt...@gould.cx wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 12:46 -0700, Alexander Henry wrote: This has been happening about once a day or every other day. The desktop simply locks up. I discover that the cursor doesn't move, then I try alt-tab, ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-delete, clrl-alt-F*, nothing. Have to power cycle to break it. Any ideas? It's a rather hard problem to search for. Intel graphics? There's some big problems with the Intel drivers in 9.04. They seem to happen less when disabling Compiz and other 3d graphics. There's also an X edgers PPA that has updated drivers, but they're a little more bleeding edge. --Ted Mine locks up also. It was fine right after install, but after update it was schnerbed. I found an article/bug for it and rolled back the patch. -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Uuuum, what article and what patch did you roll back? I have had no problems yet, but we could Saturday at the installfest! -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks
I was going to say, do you have Intel graphics? By default Jaunty's driver stack for Intel is way hosed...by far the biggest problem in Jaunty. The Intel edgers repos have gotten very good of late. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to say, do you have Intel graphics? By default Jaunty's driver stack for Intel is way hosed...by far the biggest problem in Jaunty. The Intel edgers repos have gotten very good of late. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I run Linux on a variety of machines at different times. Some of them have 9.04 and on-board intel graphics though the ones I run most have added in video cards. I've not had this problem at all but admittedly I don't run the intel ones much so maybe just have not had it come up. I'll find one of them and try to check it out. My question to Lisa remains. -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
July WSM Minutes
Hi, For anyone who missed the meeting, here are the minutes for the July West Side meeting: http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/july-plug-wsm-minutes/ Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash Skype: pheakonaleash | Cell: (623)-826-0051 IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels -- I'm at the 20 channel limit :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: For all you gamers out there
wow should check what my blackberry is doing... I did the beta for some of the savage stuff and they were neat. i wouldnt mind doing some beta on this new one also... On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I did the nets dot sanage and it was neat On 7/22/09, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: o... purty! Gimmie! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Tim Noeding tim.noed...@gmail.com wrote: There is a game I am currently beta testing for that is on linux as well. Its called Heroes of Newerth. It's from S2, the same guys who made the Savage games. If anyone is interested I'll inquire for some invite keys. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: I saw that too from my RSS feed from Happy Penguin: HappyPenguin ·Pink Pony 1.1 (updated) ·Fish Supper 0.1.5.1 (updated) ·Vendetta 1.8.82 (updated) ·Orbit-Hopper 1.16b (updated) ·Zatikon 1.0 (new) ·Canta 0.2-rc1 (updated) ·GearHead 2 0.541 (updated) ·Dirk Dashing: Secret Agent! 1.1.1 (updated) ·Only this weekend: Entire Penumbra Series for 5$ ·BitRock InstallBuilder 6.1.2 (updated) On 7/20/09, Shawn Badger badger.sh...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't give them any password to buy it, but their may be one to register the game or something. I haven't installed it yet. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this in the comments section, so If you order, use a throw away password. Watch out what password you use when you register on their site - they send it back to you as plain text in an email. Sigh... -- *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Shawn Badger *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2009 3:25 PM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* For all you gamers out there There is a new game out for Linux and you can buy the entire series of 3 for $5. I'm not a gamer, but for $5 I will buy them. Here is the link on /. and a link to the game site. http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/0422200/Unusual-Physics-Engine-Game-Ported-To-Linux?from=rss http://www.penumbragame.com/game.php --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://linuxgazette.net/164/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: July WSM Minutes
Very well written Ryan. Good page design also. Thanks for the opportunity to attend, virtually. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, For anyone who missed the meeting, here are the minutes for the July West Side meeting: http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/july-plug-wsm-minutes/ Ryan --- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. -- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash Skype: pheakonaleash | Cell: (623)-826-0051 IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels -- I'm at the 20 channel limit :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mike havens wrote: Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com mailto:technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Why do we want to do this again? I'm trying to figure out how using phone wire out of specifications can possibly be economical. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpo4zsACgkQ61EDkX3myXphUACeNQYtQeigifEthNNia4s2x80r koIAn1YI8gJY/CoTSHW39vSTGTo8NL+2 =lmjl -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
I totally agree. Using cabling that's out of spec may work and you may not notice any problems, but down the road when problems become apparent, this could become a bugger of a problem to track down. Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:25:10 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat-5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mike havens wrote: Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com mailto:technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Why do we want to do this again? I'm trying to figure out how using phone wire out of specifications can possibly be economical. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpo4zsACgkQ61EDkX3myXphUACeNQYtQeigifEthNNia4s2x80r koIAn1YI8gJY/CoTSHW39vSTGTo8NL+2 =lmjl -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks
I would look in a new moment of time on Saturday specific to the hardware, but I got my information on the Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/f-333-p-133.html On 7/23/09, John jhari...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, do you have the article link that you could share. Mine started locking up as well. KDE 4.2.4 was worse as every morning I'd come back and it would be in low graphics mode. I switched to Gnome and it would freeze every other day. I'm running some php laconica scripts in the background that are known for memory leaks but I have a cron job restart the processes every 3 hours. I attributed my freezes to the php scripts. I'm using the nvidia drivers for the 5200 and I don't have Compbiz enabled. When it happens you can't ssh in so I can't restart my comp when I'm on the road. Thanks for any info. John --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:40 PM On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Ted Gouldt...@gould.cx wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 12:46 -0700, Alexander Henry wrote: This has been happening about once a day or every other day. The desktop simply locks up. I discover that the cursor doesn't move, then I try alt-tab, ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-delete, clrl-alt-F*, nothing. Have to power cycle to break it. Any ideas? It's a rather hard problem to search for. Intel graphics? There's some big problems with the Intel drivers in 9.04. They seem to happen less when disabling Compiz and other 3d graphics. There's also an X edgers PPA that has updated drivers, but they're a little more bleeding edge. --Ted Mine locks up also. It was fine right after install, but after update it was schnerbed. I found an article/bug for it and rolled back the patch. -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
monoprice.com they are silly cheap for 5e and 6 On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Michael Butashmich...@butash.net wrote: Mike, Trick is the wires have to be twisted throughout to minimize interference, doing so at the ends won't help. Newer standards like cat6 and higher have internal dividers to reduce crosstalk between twisted pairs even, and cat7 makes use of individually shielded twisted pairs to all together remove possibility of crosstalk (assuming you terminate them properly too). Consistency is the key for minimizing physical modulation problems on the line. You're fighting an uphill battle trying to coerce cat3 to work for networking, best relegate it analog voice only. I'm with Trent that you're probably money ahead to just buy some cat5e (at least) somewhere, especially if you need patch cables. Or if you have some time, you find good deals on cable from ebay or other online retailers, far better than going to fry's electronics and overpaying for their crap. I sniped an expensive 1000ft roll of high-quality bertek cat6 off ebay for 80 bucks shipped a while ago, so you can find good deals. I bought several 1000ft rolls of generic shielded cat6 recently for 150 each shipped, but this is far more quality than you probably need, and I've seen them cheaper since. Roughly a hundred bucks should buy you a 1000ft roll of unshielded cat6 that'll last you ages, and futureproof since gigabit gear has come down in price significantly. At least until your friends find out you have bulk cable. :) -mb On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:18 -0400, mike havens wrote: Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks
Yes, do you have the article link that you could share. Mine started locking up as well. KDE 4.2.4 was worse as every morning I'd come back and it would be in low graphics mode. I switched to Gnome and it would freeze every other day. I'm running some php laconica scripts in the background that are known for memory leaks but I have a cron job restart the processes every 3 hours. I attributed my freezes to the php scripts. I'm using the nvidia drivers for the 5200 and I don't have Compbiz enabled. When it happens you can't ssh in so I can't restart my comp when I'm on the road. Thanks for any info. John --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: Ubuntu Desktop locks To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:40 PM On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Ted Gouldt...@gould.cx wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 12:46 -0700, Alexander Henry wrote: This has been happening about once a day or every other day. The desktop simply locks up. I discover that the cursor doesn't move, then I try alt-tab, ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-delete, clrl-alt-F*, nothing. Have to power cycle to break it. Any ideas? It's a rather hard problem to search for. Intel graphics? There's some big problems with the Intel drivers in 9.04. They seem to happen less when disabling Compiz and other 3d graphics. There's also an X edgers PPA that has updated drivers, but they're a little more bleeding edge. --Ted Mine locks up also. It was fine right after install, but after update it was schnerbed. I found an article/bug for it and rolled back the patch. -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cat-5
Mike, Trick is the wires have to be twisted throughout to minimize interference, doing so at the ends won't help. Newer standards like cat6 and higher have internal dividers to reduce crosstalk between twisted pairs even, and cat7 makes use of individually shielded twisted pairs to all together remove possibility of crosstalk (assuming you terminate them properly too). Consistency is the key for minimizing physical modulation problems on the line. You're fighting an uphill battle trying to coerce cat3 to work for networking, best relegate it analog voice only. I'm with Trent that you're probably money ahead to just buy some cat5e (at least) somewhere, especially if you need patch cables. Or if you have some time, you find good deals on cable from ebay or other online retailers, far better than going to fry's electronics and overpaying for their crap. I sniped an expensive 1000ft roll of high-quality bertek cat6 off ebay for 80 bucks shipped a while ago, so you can find good deals. I bought several 1000ft rolls of generic shielded cat6 recently for 150 each shipped, but this is far more quality than you probably need, and I've seen them cheaper since. Roughly a hundred bucks should buy you a 1000ft roll of unshielded cat6 that'll last you ages, and futureproof since gigabit gear has come down in price significantly. At least until your friends find out you have bulk cable. :) -mb On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:18 -0400, mike havens wrote: Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: cat-5
I also agree, it may work for small files and stuff and you think it's ok, but down the line when you're transferring big files and they get corrupted, and then you're trying to figure out why, you might forget about the cheap cable. It's so much less of a hassle to just get a good cable. Whenever I have a questionable cable, I just toss it. Or use it to tie somebody up. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dorian Monroe Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 4:40 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: cat-5 I totally agree. Using cabling that's out of spec may work and you may not notice any problems, but down the road when problems become apparent, this could become a bugger of a problem to track down. Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:25:10 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: cat-5 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mike havens wrote: Will twisting it at the ends (so the tswists go under the sheath) fix this? On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com mailto:technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: mike havens wrote: all I need it for is patch cables... and telephone cables. Why doesn't crosstalk affect the telephone signal? most PSTN signalling is of low bandwidth (especially on the last mile run). now DSL is kind of an exception to this (except you need line filters on your phones to keep from hearing the static of the modem. you can probably get away with 10BaseT signalling on cat 3, but because of how the cable itself is wound (turns per foot, etc) your max length will be very limited. 100BaseT is not recommended at all owing to the large about of bandwidth used (typically greated that 200 Mhz wide) and cat 3 cable will act as an antenna at lengths longer than about 18 inches. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Why do we want to do this again? I'm trying to figure out how using phone wire out of specifications can possibly be economical. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpo4zsACgkQ61EDkX3myXphUACeNQYtQeigifEthNNia4s2x80r koIAn1YI8gJY/CoTSHW39vSTGTo8NL+2 =lmjl -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
