Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00
Am 26. Jul, 2009 schwätzte David Munson so: Whoops. Didn't reply-all on that last one. Weird. @ is something I'd expect to see on a username to designate operator privileges. I've checked out the webchat.freenode.net and it's working OK as far as I can tell... He probably ended up on a different irc network and created the up until then nonexistent #ABLEconf. As channel creator he was automagically given operator status in the channel. That also explains why he was in channel with no one else while we were having a meeting in the channel :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # allbery_b wouldn't that be shopping is hard, let's do math?--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cheese failing silently
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote:
From: Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com
[cheese snippage]
Thanks for the info Ted! Sorry I misunderstod.
So, back to the drawing board. Lordy I do hate silent failures.
Unfortunately, it is all too common to not convey any useful
information to the poor user!
strace and strace -ff can be your friends if the process that's
failing silently is dying because of a missing file, or a file that's
not where it's supposed to be. strace process file.log 21,
then after process fails, start at the end of file.log and go up,
looking for suspicious problems. I've used this technique to find
and diagnose all sorts of program barfs, but no errors reported
problems in the past.
The main problem is that this approach won't help much with programs
that communicate with other programs over sockets. Then you'd need
to strace all the processes involved and a decent knowledge of the
protocol that's being used to communicate.
--
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The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/
There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Thanks Matt,
Sorry I took so long to do this. There was actually more learned than just
from the log from strace. Apparently the strace slowed cheese down enough
that in addition to seeing the cheese GUI come up and then drop as before,
it stayed up long enough that I could see the web cam indicator light come
on twice for a moment.
the last notable error was:
poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN},
{fd=9, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15,
events=POLLIN}], 6, 99The program 'cheese' received an X Window System
error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
(Details: serial 70 error_code 11 request_code 132 minor_code 19)
(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
) = 1 ([{fd=4, revents=POLLIN}])
which sounds like a bug since there should be no shortage of resources I am
aware of. Since this msg is not crystal clear about what resource, I looked
back about 20 pages and did not find anything obvious. I think I will check
again for a revision before I claw further back in the 1.2 MB log file
--
Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it always to be kept alive.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00
That makes sense. Similar to what I was thinking, except I didn't account for the possibility of another network. On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 26. Jul, 2009 schwätzte David Munson so: Whoops. Didn't reply-all on that last one. Weird. @ is something I'd expect to see on a username to designate operator privileges. I've checked out the webchat.freenode.net and it's working OK as far as I can tell... He probably ended up on a different irc network and created the up until then nonexistent #ABLEconf. As channel creator he was automagically given operator status in the channel. That also explains why he was in channel with no one else while we were having a meeting in the channel :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # allbery_b wouldn't that be shopping is hard, let's do math? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cheese failing silently
From: Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com
Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote:
strace and strace -ff can be your friends if the process
that's failing silently is dying because of a missing file,
or a file that's not where it's supposed to be.
The main problem is that this approach won't help much with
programs that communicate with other programs over sockets.
Apparently the strace slowed cheese down enough that in addition
to seeing the cheese GUI come up and then drop as before, it
stayed up long enough that I could see the web cam indicator light
come on twice for a moment.
Well, that shows that *something* is working.
{fd=9, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15,
events=POLLIN}],
6, 99The program 'cheese' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the
gdk_x_error() function.)
X problem. Somewhere in the lower levels of whatever this is doing,
it made a bad GTK+ or GDK call. (Or if you're really unlucky, one
of those libraries is doing something stupid.) Getting info on
this with strace will be difficult as X calls are typically made
over... yep, a socket. Like the error says, you'd probably have
to compile with -g, run with --sync in gdb, and break on the
function mentioned. Not the world's most fun thing to do.
I think I will check again for a revision before I claw further
back in the 1.2 MB log file
That'd be the easiest thing to try, see if they have another
point release
--
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The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/
There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
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OT: [sorta]: ComputerWorld article -- Unix turns 40
Unix turns 40: The past, present and future of a revolutionary OSThis article in ComputerWorld gives some history type stories: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/340205/Unix_Turns_40 *Idea: click on Print* ((hint: you might prefer the version you get, when you go down below the page selectors, and, near the options like Email, Comment, and Send Feedback, then click on *Print,* which seems to have an href= field of javascript:void(0);)) -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one!
Folks, I've added two DCS-920 cameras to my setup. Zoneminder box is based off the latest Bluecherry liveCD, ZM 1.24.0 on Xubuntu 8.10. The 920 is a WiFi version of the 910 and I've found very little info on it. I'm running the cameras at 640x480 low-grade JPEG. I can't get more than .65 to .70fps off them UNLESS I have another browser window on some system on the local net continuously query the camera's video feed - in that case, Zoneminder's FPS goes to a more usable state just under 3fps, which I can live with. Before I grab a bell, book and candle next lemme show you how it's working now. From a regular web browser window talking straight to the camera, I can go to a camera's IP address such as: http://192.168.0.54 ...and login. From there I can access the latest image snapshot at: http://192.168.0.54/image.jpg OR the camera's continuous video feed at: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi ...and this line seems to work too: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi? Getting the camera's video feed gives me a somewhat choppy view, as it will delay refreshing every few seconds for a split second...but when it's displaying video, it looks to be about 5 to 8 FPS. (Note: I have static camera IP addresses, and the ZM central box is on the same internal net.) Great. So go over to Zoneminder and it'll work off of /image.jpg just fine, but at low frame rates (under 1 frame per second) unless I have a separate browser window pointing to the camera's /video.cgi feed - then it quadruples to something usable. I can't get zoneminder to see the /video.cgi or /video.cgi? feeds at all - no picture. ZM setup stuff: I've been looking at this thread: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12233sid=f51f2ed70b9d332ce9dc9e4a8ce9ca4b ...for the 910 cameras and ZM 1.23 series. In ZM version 1.24 I see no way to set anything in OptionsNetwork related to ZM_NETCAM_REGEXPS or similar. Am I missing something? In the camera's setup window in ZM I'm doing source type as remote of course, remote protocol as HTTP, remote method is simple, remote hostname is [userna...@[cameraipaddress] (this is behind a firewall so I'm not bothering with passwords), remote host port is 80. Under remote host path I've tried all of the following: video.cgi /video.cgi video.cgi? /video.cgi Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: cheese failing silently
I've had the same problem with Cheese across several distro's now, and
have just given up on whatever being broken being so. I've got a Dell
xps m1330 with known cheese issues (dell linux list confirms numerous
users with issue) that thus far no one has actually fixed yet, mostly
because there are problems both from the uvcvideo side, as well as from
Cheese. Exact same symptoms, camera will light twice, indicate it's
working, but will only show black for an image. Ekiga and other video
apps work fine.
I've even tried recompiling uvcvideo modules with updates that
supposedly fix the issue from their side, but Cheese still fails, even
latest on Jaunty ubuntu. The only thing I can recommend is maybe try
compiling your own Cheese from SVN to see if it works locally from the
binary directory, and if so use checkinstall to make a deb package to
update to. I stopped caring whether it worked or not to go this
far. :)
-mb
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 08:20 -0700, Matt Graham wrote:
From: Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com
Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.netwrote:
strace and strace -ff can be your friends if the process
that's failing silently is dying because of a missing file,
or a file that's not where it's supposed to be.
The main problem is that this approach won't help much with
programs that communicate with other programs over sockets.
Apparently the strace slowed cheese down enough that in addition
to seeing the cheese GUI come up and then drop as before, it
stayed up long enough that I could see the web cam indicator light
come on twice for a moment.
Well, that shows that *something* is working.
{fd=9, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15,
events=POLLIN}],
6, 99The program 'cheese' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the
gdk_x_error() function.)
X problem. Somewhere in the lower levels of whatever this is doing,
it made a bad GTK+ or GDK call. (Or if you're really unlucky, one
of those libraries is doing something stupid.) Getting info on
this with strace will be difficult as X calls are typically made
over... yep, a socket. Like the error says, you'd probably have
to compile with -g, run with --sync in gdb, and break on the
function mentioned. Not the world's most fun thing to do.
I think I will check again for a revision before I claw further
back in the 1.2 MB log file
That'd be the easiest thing to try, see if they have another
point release
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Re: For all you gamers out there
I sent out 3 beta invites. I'm hoping they will give me more. They were talking about stress testing the servers so keep the fingers crossed. On 7/23/09, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: wow should check what my blackberry is doing... I did the beta for some of the savage stuff and they were neat. i wouldnt mind doing some beta on this new one also... On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I did the nets dot sanage and it was neat On 7/22/09, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: o... purty! Gimmie! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Tim Noeding tim.noed...@gmail.com wrote: There is a game I am currently beta testing for that is on linux as well. Its called Heroes of Newerth. It's from S2, the same guys who made the Savage games. If anyone is interested I'll inquire for some invite keys. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: I saw that too from my RSS feed from Happy Penguin: HappyPenguin ·Pink Pony 1.1 (updated) ·Fish Supper 0.1.5.1 (updated) ·Vendetta 1.8.82 (updated) ·Orbit-Hopper 1.16b (updated) ·Zatikon 1.0 (new) ·Canta 0.2-rc1 (updated) ·GearHead 2 0.541 (updated) ·Dirk Dashing: Secret Agent! 1.1.1 (updated) ·Only this weekend: Entire Penumbra Series for 5$ ·BitRock InstallBuilder 6.1.2 (updated) On 7/20/09, Shawn Badger badger.sh...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't give them any password to buy it, but their may be one to register the game or something. I haven't installed it yet. On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: I saw this in the comments section, so If you order, use a throw away password. Watch out what password you use when you register on their site - they send it back to you as plain text in an email. Sigh... -- *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Shawn Badger *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2009 3:25 PM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* For all you gamers out there There is a new game out for Linux and you can buy the entire series of 3 for $5. I'm not a gamer, but for $5 I will buy them. Here is the link on /. and a link to the game site. http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/0422200/Unusual-Physics-Engine-Game-Ported-To-Linux?from=rss http://www.penumbragame.com/game.php --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- http://linuxgazette.net/164/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com -- Sent from my mobile device A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one!
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Where is the video.cgi located ? Is the server setup to allow cgi in that directory ? That's on the camera itself. The controls are fairly primitive... If it's in cgi-bin have you tried adding /cgi-bin/video.cgi No, this link doesn't work: http://192.168.0.55/cgi-bin/video.cgi This one does: http://192.168.0.55/video.cgi Again, that's talking straight to the camera's IP address, bypassing Zoneminder completely. The problem is, I can't get Zoneminder to see that feed. Jim -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jim March Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:33 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one! Folks, I've added two DCS-920 cameras to my setup. Zoneminder box is based off the latest Bluecherry liveCD, ZM 1.24.0 on Xubuntu 8.10. The 920 is a WiFi version of the 910 and I've found very little info on it. I'm running the cameras at 640x480 low-grade JPEG. I can't get more than .65 to .70fps off them UNLESS I have another browser window on some system on the local net continuously query the camera's video feed - in that case, Zoneminder's FPS goes to a more usable state just under 3fps, which I can live with. Before I grab a bell, book and candle next lemme show you how it's working now. From a regular web browser window talking straight to the camera, I can go to a camera's IP address such as: http://192.168.0.54 ...and login. From there I can access the latest image snapshot at: http://192.168.0.54/image.jpg OR the camera's continuous video feed at: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi ...and this line seems to work too: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi? Getting the camera's video feed gives me a somewhat choppy view, as it will delay refreshing every few seconds for a split second...but when it's displaying video, it looks to be about 5 to 8 FPS. (Note: I have static camera IP addresses, and the ZM central box is on the same internal net.) Great. So go over to Zoneminder and it'll work off of /image.jpg just fine, but at low frame rates (under 1 frame per second) unless I have a separate browser window pointing to the camera's /video.cgi feed - then it quadruples to something usable. I can't get zoneminder to see the /video.cgi or /video.cgi? feeds at all - no picture. ZM setup stuff: I've been looking at this thread: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12233sid=f51 f2ed70b9d332ce9dc9e4a8ce9ca4b ...for the 910 cameras and ZM 1.23 series. In ZM version 1.24 I see no way to set anything in OptionsNetwork related to ZM_NETCAM_REGEXPS or similar. Am I missing something? In the camera's setup window in ZM I'm doing source type as remote of course, remote protocol as HTTP, remote method is simple, remote hostname is [userna...@[cameraipaddress] (this is behind a firewall so I'm not bothering with passwords), remote host port is 80. Under remote host path I've tried all of the following: video.cgi /video.cgi video.cgi? /video.cgi Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one!
Jim, You might want to check the ZM forums, when I was looking for info on my Airlink IP cameras, I had the same issue, and typically there seemed to be embedded video within the link, such as /video.mpg or /video.asx as the _actual_ video, not so much the .cgi that is generating the content page. You might also want to look at the page source and see if you can find a link to the actual streaming video. I think the CGI is mostly responsible for finding a suitable host player, shelling it, or invoking a java runtime jar to do so itself - hence no actual video at that link that ZM is literally trying to fetch video from. -mb On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:00 -0700, Jim March wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Where is the video.cgi located ? Is the server setup to allow cgi in that directory ? That's on the camera itself. The controls are fairly primitive... If it's in cgi-bin have you tried adding /cgi-bin/video.cgi No, this link doesn't work: http://192.168.0.55/cgi-bin/video.cgi This one does: http://192.168.0.55/video.cgi Again, that's talking straight to the camera's IP address, bypassing Zoneminder completely. The problem is, I can't get Zoneminder to see that feed. Jim -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jim March Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:33 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one! Folks, I've added two DCS-920 cameras to my setup. Zoneminder box is based off the latest Bluecherry liveCD, ZM 1.24.0 on Xubuntu 8.10. The 920 is a WiFi version of the 910 and I've found very little info on it. I'm running the cameras at 640x480 low-grade JPEG. I can't get more than .65 to .70fps off them UNLESS I have another browser window on some system on the local net continuously query the camera's video feed - in that case, Zoneminder's FPS goes to a more usable state just under 3fps, which I can live with. Before I grab a bell, book and candle next lemme show you how it's working now. From a regular web browser window talking straight to the camera, I can go to a camera's IP address such as: http://192.168.0.54 ...and login. From there I can access the latest image snapshot at: http://192.168.0.54/image.jpg OR the camera's continuous video feed at: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi ...and this line seems to work too: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi? Getting the camera's video feed gives me a somewhat choppy view, as it will delay refreshing every few seconds for a split second...but when it's displaying video, it looks to be about 5 to 8 FPS. (Note: I have static camera IP addresses, and the ZM central box is on the same internal net.) Great. So go over to Zoneminder and it'll work off of /image.jpg just fine, but at low frame rates (under 1 frame per second) unless I have a separate browser window pointing to the camera's /video.cgi feed - then it quadruples to something usable. I can't get zoneminder to see the /video.cgi or /video.cgi? feeds at all - no picture. ZM setup stuff: I've been looking at this thread: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12233sid=f51 f2ed70b9d332ce9dc9e4a8ce9ca4b ...for the 910 cameras and ZM 1.23 series. In ZM version 1.24 I see no way to set anything in OptionsNetwork related to ZM_NETCAM_REGEXPS or similar. Am I missing something? In the camera's setup window in ZM I'm doing source type as remote of course, remote protocol as HTTP, remote method is simple, remote hostname is [userna...@[cameraipaddress] (this is behind a firewall so I'm not bothering with passwords), remote host port is 80. Under remote host path I've tried all of the following: video.cgi /video.cgi video.cgi? /video.cgi Thanks! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
DSL
I have a guy who wants me to rerun his DSL lines (his neighbor is putting in a pool and it got cut. WHat is the deal with DSL; does it run on the bumble bee pair (black and yellow)? Is there a secret or something special about it? Does it just run on a differant frequency on the christmas tree pair?Let me know! -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: DSL
It runs on the same pair as his voice line and uses frequencies outside of human hearing range. Go to home depot and get gel splicers and exterior grade phone cable and save yourself some grief. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Jonathan Swifthttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html - May you live every day of your life. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a guy who wants me to rerun his DSL lines (his neighbor is putting in a pool and it got cut. WHat is the deal with DSL; does it run on the bumble bee pair (black and yellow)? Is there a secret or something special about it? Does it just run on a differant frequency on the christmas tree pair?Let me know! -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: DSL
I goy the gel splices (UR) b ut am unsure the phone cable grade. I think it will be fine. It is phone line the cable company uses Superior Essex. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:08 PM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: It runs on the same pair as his voice line and uses frequencies outside of human hearing range. Go to home depot and get gel splicers and exterior grade phone cable and save yourself some grief. -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Jonathan Swifthttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/jonathan_swift.html - May you live every day of your life. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a guy who wants me to rerun his DSL lines (his neighbor is putting in a pool and it got cut. WHat is the deal with DSL; does it run on the bumble bee pair (black and yellow)? Is there a secret or something special about it? Does it just run on a differant frequency on the christmas tree pair?Let me know! -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html -- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Zeidner wrote: Im interested in this topic as well. If you manage to build this, please let us know how it goes. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Josef Lowderj...@actionline.com wrote: Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html -- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Will the power be clean enough? I'd expect a typical inverter to be noisy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpuLukACgkQ61EDkX3myXoN0ACgwiR9Ht91UwkJtA9ahtU871CO sYQAoKOG8tHQWu1M7FsyscRy3mwcUL0w =BBoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one!
Just got off the phone with DLink. Managed to get a list of known subdirectories for the 920 camera: http://192.168.0.55/video.cgi This is the one that supposedly works in Zoneminder 1.23 series with a ? at the end, with the Dlink 910 camera. Ain't working for me. Certain regex tweaks in ZM1.23 are mentioned, but not available in 1.24.0. Dunno what's going on. Page source is disabled from this .cgi display. Sigh. http://192.168.0.55/video.avi - gives me a 404 not found... http://192.168.0.55/video.dvf - proprietary Dlink format of some sort? Zoneminder doesn't work with it... http://192.168.0.55/image.jpg - this gives the last still image off the camera. Zoneminder can work with this, but the speed blows chunks (less than 1 frame per second). What I guess I need is a tweak to get the video.cgi stream working in Zoneminder. Worst case I'll try upgrading ZM to 1.24.2 but it's a stone cold bitch to compile... Jim On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Michael Butashmich...@butash.net wrote: Jim, You might want to check the ZM forums, when I was looking for info on my Airlink IP cameras, I had the same issue, and typically there seemed to be embedded video within the link, such as /video.mpg or /video.asx as the _actual_ video, not so much the .cgi that is generating the content page. You might also want to look at the page source and see if you can find a link to the actual streaming video. I think the CGI is mostly responsible for finding a suitable host player, shelling it, or invoking a java runtime jar to do so itself - hence no actual video at that link that ZM is literally trying to fetch video from. -mb On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 13:00 -0700, Jim March wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Bob Elzerbob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Where is the video.cgi located ? Is the server setup to allow cgi in that directory ? That's on the camera itself. The controls are fairly primitive... If it's in cgi-bin have you tried adding /cgi-bin/video.cgi No, this link doesn't work: http://192.168.0.55/cgi-bin/video.cgi This one does: http://192.168.0.55/video.cgi Again, that's talking straight to the camera's IP address, bypassing Zoneminder completely. The problem is, I can't get Zoneminder to see that feed. Jim -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jim March Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 11:33 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Yet another Zoneminder question - and it's a weird one! Folks, I've added two DCS-920 cameras to my setup. Zoneminder box is based off the latest Bluecherry liveCD, ZM 1.24.0 on Xubuntu 8.10. The 920 is a WiFi version of the 910 and I've found very little info on it. I'm running the cameras at 640x480 low-grade JPEG. I can't get more than .65 to .70fps off them UNLESS I have another browser window on some system on the local net continuously query the camera's video feed - in that case, Zoneminder's FPS goes to a more usable state just under 3fps, which I can live with. Before I grab a bell, book and candle next lemme show you how it's working now. From a regular web browser window talking straight to the camera, I can go to a camera's IP address such as: http://192.168.0.54 ...and login. From there I can access the latest image snapshot at: http://192.168.0.54/image.jpg OR the camera's continuous video feed at: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi ...and this line seems to work too: http://192.168.0.54/video.cgi? Getting the camera's video feed gives me a somewhat choppy view, as it will delay refreshing every few seconds for a split second...but when it's displaying video, it looks to be about 5 to 8 FPS. (Note: I have static camera IP addresses, and the ZM central box is on the same internal net.) Great. So go over to Zoneminder and it'll work off of /image.jpg just fine, but at low frame rates (under 1 frame per second) unless I have a separate browser window pointing to the camera's /video.cgi feed - then it quadruples to something usable. I can't get zoneminder to see the /video.cgi or /video.cgi? feeds at all - no picture. ZM setup stuff: I've been looking at this thread: http://www.zoneminder.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12233sid=f51 f2ed70b9d332ce9dc9e4a8ce9ca4b ...for the 910 cameras and ZM 1.23 series. In ZM version 1.24 I see no way to set anything in OptionsNetwork related to ZM_NETCAM_REGEXPS or similar. Am I missing something? In the camera's setup window in ZM I'm doing source type as remote of course, remote protocol as HTTP, remote method is simple, remote hostname is [userna...@[cameraipaddress] (this is behind a firewall so I'm not bothering with passwords), remote host port is 80. Under remote host path I've tried all of the following: video.cgi
Re: Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
3 Steps to this 1. Use the correct hardware, something atom based and low power. 2. Determine requirements for 12V at about 5A solar panel cells/regulator 3. Add a battery in to the mix matching the same above stats 12V 5A The hardware would run off the battery and the solar panels would charge the batteries. This will help for low light ang in general power conditioning. Straight solar would be too dirty and would cause hardware failure pretty rapidly. Note this is just for the PC requirements for a monitor etc would increase needs. With all of this in mind go wwith a netbook that has insane battery life anyway and one of these: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/7-portable-solar-laptop-chargers-worth-considering.php On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Zeidner wrote: Im interested in this topic as well. If you manage to build this, please let us know how it goes. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Josef Lowderj...@actionline.com wrote: Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.htmlhttp://www.rain.org/%7Ephilfear/how2solar.html-- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Will the power be clean enough? I'd expect a typical inverter to be noisy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpuLukACgkQ61EDkX3myXoN0ACgwiR9Ht91UwkJtA9ahtU871CO sYQAoKOG8tHQWu1M7FsyscRy3mwcUL0w =BBoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
I wonder if its possible to bypass the PC power supply? By using an inverter you are essentially converting from DC to AC and back to DC again (bound to be inefficient). This hold true only if your system is specifically for the PC. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, James Finstromjfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: 3 Steps to this 1. Use the correct hardware, something atom based and low power. 2. Determine requirements for 12V at about 5A solar panel cells/regulator 3. Add a battery in to the mix matching the same above stats 12V 5A The hardware would run off the battery and the solar panels would charge the batteries. This will help for low light ang in general power conditioning. Straight solar would be too dirty and would cause hardware failure pretty rapidly. Note this is just for the PC requirements for a monitor etc would increase needs. With all of this in mind go wwith a netbook that has insane battery life anyway and one of these: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/7-portable-solar-laptop-chargers-worth-considering.php On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Zeidner wrote: Im interested in this topic as well. If you manage to build this, please let us know how it goes. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Josef Lowderj...@actionline.com wrote: Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html -- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Will the power be clean enough? I'd expect a typical inverter to be noisy. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpuLukACgkQ61EDkX3myXoN0ACgwiR9Ht91UwkJtA9ahtU871CO sYQAoKOG8tHQWu1M7FsyscRy3mwcUL0w =BBoh -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Zeidner wrote: I wonder if its possible to bypass the PC power supply? By using an inverter you are essentially converting from DC to AC and back to DC again (bound to be inefficient). This hold true only if your system is specifically for the PC. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, James Finstromjfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: 3 Steps to this 1. Use the correct hardware, something atom based and low power. 2. Determine requirements for 12V at about 5A solar panel cells/regulator 3. Add a battery in to the mix matching the same above stats 12V 5A The hardware would run off the battery and the solar panels would charge the batteries. This will help for low light ang in general power conditioning. Straight solar would be too dirty and would cause hardware failure pretty rapidly. Note this is just for the PC requirements for a monitor etc would increase needs. With all of this in mind go wwith a netbook that has insane battery life anyway and one of these: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/7-portable-solar-laptop-chargers-worth-considering.php On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote: Im interested in this topic as well. If you manage to build this, please let us know how it goes. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Josef Lowderj...@actionline.com wrote: Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html -- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Will the power be clean enough? I'd expect a typical inverter to be noisy. - --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Can we modify the computer to run on ONLY DC or does it have to run on AC and wall power? Does it need to function internationally? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
Re: OT: Shirts!
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Lisa Kacholdlisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
ABELconf Tee shirt idea:
Sponsorship: (list of all the sponsors for the con)
12 Steps of Free Open Source
* Step 1 - We admitted Microsoft was powerless over our IT use -
that many IT systems had become unmanageable
* Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than Microsoft
could restore us to sanity
* Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our IT hardware and phones over
to the care of Free Open Software Source
* Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless inventory of our IT security
* Step 5 - Admitted to ourselves the exact nature of closed
sources, IT compartmentalization and monopoly restricting wide
engineering advancement
* Step 6 - Were entirely ready to support FOSS through volunteering
* Step 7 - Humbly asked everyone to expose these limiting costly
shortcomings widely
* Step 8 - Made a list of all areas that Microsoft had harmed, and
became willing to find replacement solutions for them all
* Step 9 - Made direct FOSS source, education and training
contributions where ever possible
* Step 10 - Continued to take IT source inventory and when
processes and programs were too expensive and wasteful promptly
admitted it
* Step 11 - Sought to improve our conscious understanding of the
truth outside of clever marketing campaigns
* Step 12 - Having had an intellectual awakening as the result of
these steps, we tried to carry this message to all others and to
practice ethical FOSS principles in all our IT affairs
I was privately critiqued for this shirt, so I responded:
Anything is fair game..
(Thanks for sharing!)
I doubt very seriously that sarcastic intelligent humor stops anyone
from doing anything (especially seeking other like minded individuals
who want a different way to live [read a place to meet women; be
big book thumpers and drink deep of altruistic personal gain]); if
your world view is this black and white simplistic, as to actually
think that our little humorous analogy with CLOSED SORES (corporate
computing) addiction would be bad press you must not listen to
current comedians or go to the various Recovery Bookstores and read
bumper stickers, cards and other joke materials?{Laugh}
Evidently you want to wear autistic should based blinders while
righteously partaking in attempts to CONTROL everyone and everything
that so marks those with the disease of recovery since you get a
choice today. /dogma
There are a great number of other self help (and drug and alcohol
recovery program) groups: Rational Recovery, Matrix Based Treatment,
Self Actualization, RET, that provide great solutions (that don't
exchange a 12 Step group addiction for the disease). Simple
underlying oppression, emotional/physical/mental health treatment are
also very very successful!
12 Step programs for Overeating, Sexual Addition, Drugs, Alcohol
(although in almost all 12 Step groups, one finds Codependent
Personality disordered individuals attending the wrong group (for
example with SA issues, obsessively acting out with drinking or eating
when oppressed, etc. ). Statistically psychologists track the
Codependent family model generationally and incorrectly 12 Steppers
mis-identify with behaviors touted in meetings to belong to the
disease of addiction. In actuality drug use, pseudo addiction, self
medication present due to many different reasons, the least of which
is dual diagnosis personality disorders.
Individual identification often occurs in institutionalized ways in
recovering individuals, who, usually need, professional medical,
emotional (counseling/PTSD) and neurochemical treatment, not further
abuse or anything less than state of the art treatment, which is now
readily available outside of support groups.
All 12 Step groups depend on self perpetuating cultish agreement (if
you don't attend meetings you will lapse) and wide identification
with an outdated addiction model (and membership requires a higher
power who can be trusted to change people places and things as a
technique for mental freedom over rigid thinking patterns and rage [a
symptom of trauma reaction forming and PTSD]).
The addiction recovery philosophy of 12 Steps translates very well to
closed source corporate reliance on Microsoft or a third party. It
can show clearly the dependence based on fear, and expose the
simplistic lack of technical training, process detail and
understanding of the corporation developed source that causes an
addiction to lack of personal (company wide) responsibility.
My sister is a drug and alcohol treatment facility owner. I wrote her
website: http://www.recovery-systems.org.
Using the 12 Steps here is not making fun of sexual addiction,
adolescent trauma, poor family systems, obsessive compulsive
disorders, borderline autism, food intake and metabolism control
issues or alcohol and drug addiction.
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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00
I just moved to my new house; my bandwidth is limited. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:35 AM, David Munsondavid.mun...@gmail.com wrote: That makes sense. Similar to what I was thinking, except I didn't account for the possibility of another network. On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 26. Jul, 2009 schwätzte David Munson so: Whoops. Didn't reply-all on that last one. Weird. @ is something I'd expect to see on a username to designate operator privileges. I've checked out the webchat.freenode.net and it's working OK as far as I can tell... He probably ended up on a different irc network and created the up until then nonexistent #ABLEconf. As channel creator he was automagically given operator status in the channel. That also explains why he was in channel with no one else while we were having a meeting in the channel :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # allbery_b wouldn't that be shopping is hard, let's do math? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
HackFest Series: RouterControl
RouterControl is a new take on the old browser based attack that
tricks the user into allowing exploits of saved passwords to access
another site; in this case the router.
Kaminisky demonstrated the specific RouterControl feature at RSA in
October 08.
Various RouterControl attacks also use CSRF to own the router by
repointing DNS to hostile servers so MITM attacks or DNS redirection
can be easily created.
http://ha.ckers.org/blog/20090120/persistent-cookies-and-dns-rebinding-redux/
Of course, as evidenced below, they could also give the router
additional open ports and DMZ or whatever they liked and the poor
private property owner would just see strange packet traffic and
usually (due to lack of training with regards to security) never
notice what is occurring, while being watched, tested, and essentially
stalked in a strange cat/mouse game.
Another wireless RouterControl goal would include loading Linux
powered firmware that would attack nearby APs using brute-force
password guessing techniques after association; of course this becomes
less trivial if the AP is running WPA/WPA2. That would be more
wormlike. Essentially, own a device with CSRF and use it to own
nearby APs.
--
In the current successful example version of this hack, you would
find the following access history in your browser to your local router
at say 192.168.1.1 for linux.js (which is a file not included in the
firmware, ahem!).
# linux.js
var DEBUG = false; // false for release
var separator = \t; // used for string= multiple select list
// == Submit Functions
function radioTable(fObj,radioObj,act_str)
{
if (radioSelectedIndex(radioObj) -1)
stdAction(fObj,act_str);
else alert(No entry selected. \nClick a radio button to select an
entry.);
}
function stdAction(fObj,act_str)
{
fObj.todo.value = act_str;
dataToHidden(fObj);
//submitDemo(fObj);
fObj.submit();
}
//= Data
Transfer Functions
function optionSelected(sel_obj) // return true or false
{
return (sel_obj.selectedIndex -1 sel_obj.selectedIndex
sel_obj.options.length) ? true : false;
}
function getSelIndex(sel_object, sel_text)
{
if (sel_text.length == 0)
return 0;
var size = sel_object.options.length;
for (var i = 0; i size; i++)
{
if (sel_object.options[i].value == sel_text)
return(i);
}
for (var i = 0; i size; i++)
{
if (sel_object.options[i].text == sel_text)
return (i);
}
if (DEBUG)
alert(DEBUG: + sel_object.name + (Select List) has invalid
value + sel_text + Selecting 1st item instead);
return 0; // if no match
}
function getSelected(sel_obj) // single select. Returns value. If
value blank, return text
{
var index = sel_obj.selectedIndex;
if (index = 0)
return (sel_obj.options[index].value != ) ?
sel_obj.options[index].value : sel_obj.options[index].text;
else return ;
}
function getMultiSelected(sel_obj) // multi select. Always use text, not value
{
var size = sel_obj.options.length;
var i;
var str = ;
if(isNaN(size))
return str;
if(size == 0)
return str;
str = separator;
for(i = 0; i size; i++)
if (sel_obj.options[i].selected)
str+= sel_obj.options[i].text + separator;
return str;
}
function setSelected(sel_obj,list) // list has multiple items from select obj
{
var selSize = sel_obj.options.length;
var startTextPos; var startValuePos;
var textChar; var valueChar;
for ( var i =0 ; i selSize; i++)
{
startTextPos = -1;
startValuePos = -1;
sel_obj.options[i].selected = false;
startTextPos = list.indexOf(separator + sel_obj.options[i].text
+ separator);
if(sel_obj.options[i].value.length 0)
startValuePos = list.indexOf(separator +
sel_obj.options[i].value +
separator);
if (startTextPos -1)
sel_obj.options[i].selected = true;
if (startValuePos -1)
sel_obj.options[i].selected = true;
}
}
function radioSelectedIndex(radio_object) // index of selected item, -1 if none
{
if (!radio_object)
return -1;
var size = radio_object.length;
if(isNaN(size))
{
if(radio_object.checked == true)
return 0;
else
return -1;
}
for (var i = 0; i size; i++)
{
if(!(radio_object[i]))
Re: Has anyone made a solar power setup for a computer?
found this short, basic howto for running computer via DC instead of AC. http://www.wikihow.com/Run-Your-Desktop-off-DC-Power On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Trent Shipleytship...@deru.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joshua Zeidner wrote: I wonder if its possible to bypass the PC power supply? By using an inverter you are essentially converting from DC to AC and back to DC again (bound to be inefficient). This hold true only if your system is specifically for the PC. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:25 PM, James Finstromjfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: 3 Steps to this 1. Use the correct hardware, something atom based and low power. 2. Determine requirements for 12V at about 5A solar panel cells/regulator 3. Add a battery in to the mix matching the same above stats 12V 5A The hardware would run off the battery and the solar panels would charge the batteries. This will help for low light ang in general power conditioning. Straight solar would be too dirty and would cause hardware failure pretty rapidly. Note this is just for the PC requirements for a monitor etc would increase needs. With all of this in mind go wwith a netbook that has insane battery life anyway and one of these: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/7-portable-solar-laptop-chargers-worth-considering.php On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Trent Shipley tship...@deru.com wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote: Im interested in this topic as well. If you manage to build this, please let us know how it goes. -jmz On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Josef Lowderj...@actionline.com wrote: Have any of you made a solar power setup for your computer system? I've recently begun researching this and it seems very feasible. At one website, a writer claims one can make a solar power generator for less than $300 -- www.rain.org/~philfear/how2solar.html -- in summary he says: 1. Run a line out the window to an 8 x 24 panel on the roof. Solar panels cost about $100 rated 12 volts or better at RV store or at Greenbatteries.com. Powerfilm R15-300 Rollable Solar Panel is $98.47. A 300 mah (approx 5 watt) solar panel comes with cable to connect to a battery. Internal batteries of wireless electronics can be charged by connecting a PowerFilm Rollable Solar Panel to a device's 12V adapter. 2. Get a deep cycle battery from Greenbatteries or Batteries.com for about $50. Or a Xantrex XPower 1500 W/60 AH battery from GoGreenSolar.com 3. Buy a 12 volt DC meter. Radio Shack has them for about $25. 4. Buy a DC input - a triple inlet model, enough to power many DC appliances like fans, lights, laptops, etc. costs about $10. With the right cable will run straight off the box. 5. To run AC appliances, get an inverter to convert stored DC power in the battery to AC power for most household appliances. A 115 volt 140 watt inverter by Power-to-Go at Pep Boys is $50. 6. Attach the meter and DC input to the top of the box. 7. Attach the meter to terminals on the battery. Connect the solar panel to the battery. 8. Put solar panel in the sun. It takes 5-8 hours to charge a dead battery, 1-3 hours to top off a weak one. This will run many appliances for 5 hours continuous use at 115 volt AC. Add larger panels, inverters, batteries for more. Options: A pop-up circuit breaker between the positive terminal and volt meter. May add an ampmeter also. Some panels have built-in bypass diodes, or use a charge controller for panels without diodes. Another option is a voltage regulator. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Will the power be clean enough? I'd expect a typical inverter to be noisy. - --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Can we modify the computer to run on ONLY DC or does it have to run on AC and wall power? Does it
