Re: Linux losing stability?
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 21:38 -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: On the other hand, I tend to agree with most of what he says taken literally. IOW, it is NOT Linux that lacks stability (I think the title was intended to provoke). And while it would be ideal if the ever changing AND improving desktop experience is hugely beneficial, the missed details do not help us gain mass acceptance. The desktop market that Linux is entering into is definitely not stable. Many packages on the desktop platform are in the 0.x.x phase, meaning they are not full production releases (take compiz for example). So, compiz is a 3D desktop and people think AWESOME!. And it's really cool...when it works. BUT, it is not stable. Many pieces of software designed to enhance the user experience are very much in beta phases but are included in full releases. Linux is being hurt by this because people will come to know it as unstable, which could bleed over to the server market. Look at XSane in Ubuntu 8.04...release version is 0.995. However, works great for me. But does it work great for thousands of others? Why is it not full production release yet after it's been in development for over a decade now? Then you got people jumping the gun on production releases, such as the network manager problem people have quoted. We're at 7.x and it's still not stable? But there's another argument that is all too good. You didn't pay for a Linux distro...you paid for others, and the stability is equal. So, when you take all that into account, you're not *paying to be a beta tester* with Linux distros. And that's the key difference. But that excuse will only last for so long. Remember, Linux has a huge shortcoming on the Desktop: Gaming. Until gaming is embraced in Linux, the home user is out of reach. (Although I do remember seeing an advertisement for a Diablo-like game that is coming out soon. Forgot what that was.) That's my take on the whole thing. The author is right..there is instability. But the author didn't take into account that even on the desktop, Linux is just as stable as Windows and Mac. The same problems plague them all. And I didn't bring viruses into the discussion yet for a reason. :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: FC 11 all mirrors b0rked
Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Well, it seems that the fedora project has rather a problem. all mirrors report that the repomd.xml data file are not properly linked metahandlers. this is rather a problem fro doing net installs on a machine that doesn't have a dvd player :( I have tried also FC-10 and even 9. all have the same problem. I was seeing the same thing. Bummer! I found the reason a little while ago. it appears that the fedora project let all their SSL certs expire. as a result, their secure servers aren't relaying the proper info anymore. So, I simply modifed the address to point at their non-SSL servers (removed the s from https) and all works as it should. Someone over at The fedora Project needs to get back on the ball --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
The Failure of the GPL
Interesting article even if the title is a bit of a troll http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1390172ns=16164 -- Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before. -Steven Wright, comedian (b. 1955) -- Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: FC 11 all mirrors b0rked
How about you join the Fedora Project? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it seems that the fedora project has rather a problem. all mirrors report that the repomd.xml data file are not properly linked metahandlers. this is rather a problem fro doing net installs on a machine that doesn't have a dvd player :( I have tried also FC-10 and even 9. all have the same problem. I was seeing the same thing. Bummer! I found the reason a little while ago. it appears that the fedora project let all their SSL certs expire. as a result, their secure servers aren't relaying the proper info anymore. So, I simply modifed the address to point at their non-SSL servers (removed the s from https) and all works as it should. Someone over at The fedora Project needs to get back on the ball --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The Failure of the GPL
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Chris Gehlker canyon...@mac.com wrote: Interesting article even if the title is a bit of a troll http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1390172ns=16164 -- Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before. -Steven Wright, comedian (b. 1955) -- Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list! I loved NeXT computers! Good article! -- (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Linux losing stability?
Not to mention this, but what is he comparing the stability to ? Windows ? If he's saying people won't use linux because of stability issues, then why are people using windows ? Talk about stability issues. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:41 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux losing stability? On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 21:38 -0700, Dazed_75 wrote: On the other hand, I tend to agree with most of what he says taken literally. IOW, it is NOT Linux that lacks stability (I think the title was intended to provoke). And while it would be ideal if the ever changing AND improving desktop experience is hugely beneficial, the missed details do not help us gain mass acceptance. The desktop market that Linux is entering into is definitely not stable. Many packages on the desktop platform are in the 0.x.x phase, meaning they are not full production releases (take compiz for example). So, compiz is a 3D desktop and people think AWESOME!. And it's really cool...when it works. BUT, it is not stable. Many pieces of software designed to enhance the user experience are very much in beta phases but are included in full releases. Linux is being hurt by this because people will come to know it as unstable, which could bleed over to the server market. Look at XSane in Ubuntu 8.04...release version is 0.995. However, works great for me. But does it work great for thousands of others? Why is it not full production release yet after it's been in development for over a decade now? Then you got people jumping the gun on production releases, such as the network manager problem people have quoted. We're at 7.x and it's still not stable? But there's another argument that is all too good. You didn't pay for a Linux distro...you paid for others, and the stability is equal. So, when you take all that into account, you're not *paying to be a beta tester* with Linux distros. And that's the key difference. But that excuse will only last for so long. Remember, Linux has a huge shortcoming on the Desktop: Gaming. Until gaming is embraced in Linux, the home user is out of reach. (Although I do remember seeing an advertisement for a Diablo-like game that is coming out soon. Forgot what that was.) That's my take on the whole thing. The author is right..there is instability. But the author didn't take into account that even on the desktop, Linux is just as stable as Windows and Mac. The same problems plague them all. And I didn't bring viruses into the discussion yet for a reason. :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
PAM anyone?
Hello collective intelligence... My /home partition got full and the machine got unstable. I deleted some big/useless files, fsck(ed) the oartition with no errors and rebooted the thing to be safe. Now I can't login to KDE and I get this error in /var/log/auth.log: pam_ck_connector(kdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0 Anyone has a clue? Tnx. ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Invisible Text
Hi everyone, Anybody care to help me resolve a problem. For about a month the text at the top of a menu in Firefox menus, Firefox bookmarks, and the Gnome-Panel Menus, will occationally turn invisible. The text/name of the menu usually turns invisible when I finish using a menu and it just closed. Then, if I select the menu again, (without re-opening it), the menu text will return to normal. Anybody have any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this problem? Thanks in advance for your sugestions. - MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Invisible Text
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Matthew A Coulliette matthew...@cox.netwrote: Hi everyone, Anybody care to help me resolve a problem. For about a month the text at the top of a menu in Firefox menus, Firefox bookmarks, and the Gnome-Panel Menus, will occationally turn invisible. The text/name of the menu usually turns invisible when I finish using a menu and it just closed. Then, if I select the menu again, (without re-opening it), the menu text will return to normal. Anybody have any ideas on how I can trouble-shoot this problem? Thanks in advance for your sugestions. - MatthewMPP --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss If compiz is enabled, try turning it off. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Network Manager Keyring
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Matthew A Coulliette matthew...@cox.netwrote: Hello all, I am running Ubuntu 9.04 on an IBM thinkpad (T30). Recently, I have been having trouble with Network-Manager. So, I bought a new USB wireless receiver. I was able to install it without any trouble, and it is working fine. All of the available networks in my area, show up in the Network-Manager menu, however, when I click on one it just times out. After, investigating a little bit I found that Network-Manager asks me for my keyring password instead of for the Pre-Shared-Key. In short, NetMng is using the wrong password. It uses a password from the default keyring, instead of asking me for the PSK. I am not sure when this happened, since I had wireless working fine. Can I change it so that Network-Manager askes me for the PSK, instead of it getting one from the default keyring. If not, which keyring program does NetMng use and how do I set it up or access it. Thanks, in advance for your replies. Any help would be appreciated. MatthewMPP http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=f5de5634f4448d733a599c23e4bb0257p=2776815postcount=1 Some $adjective named Matthew asked the same thing here yesterday: http://www.linux-archive.org/ubuntu-user/363794-network-manager-keyrings.html -- http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/gnu-people.jpg --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: [Jobposts] Fwd: Work remotely or in India(hyderabad)
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MediaWiki causes me to ragequit
Hey PLUGgers, Today the ABLEconf internal wiki was hit pretty hard by spammers. :( We looked at how to protect the pages so that only registered users can edit any part of the wiki. Unfortunately, according to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8796 that has been disabled, due to the fact that any user could then change the page so that only admin could edit it... or something. Obviously it has little bearing on our internal wiki, but still keeps us from protecting those pages. Outside of doing this by hand, what do you recommend to secure our mediawiki install? -- Ryan Rix (623)-826-0051 Fortune: She asked me, What's your sign? I blinked and answered Neon, I thought I'd blow her mind... http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
