Document Management
I am looking for a program to handle all my family/business documents. I would like to be able to scan in the document/invoice etc and have some control over where to store it. Is there a program out there that will help me do this. Thanks Carlton Brooks Mesa --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Document Management
For scanner related software first look into SANE; otherwise I found this on sourceforge.net: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kt-dms/ -- JD Austin Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC j...@twingeckos.com 480.288.8195x201 http://www.twingeckos.com Marie von Ebner-Eschenbachhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/marie_von_ebnereschenbac.html - Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Carlton Brooks li...@carltonbrooks.netwrote: I am looking for a program to handle all my family/business documents. I would like to be able to scan in the document/invoice etc and have some control over where to store it. Is there a program out there that will help me do this. Thanks Carlton Brooks Mesa --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Document Management
After a long battle with technology, Carlton Brooks wrote: I am looking for a program to handle all my family/business documents. How many documents are you talking about? Explain handle; what do you want to do with these things once you've got them in this system? Be specific. I would like to be able to scan in the document/invoice etc and have some control over where to store it. Is there a program out there that will help me do this? There are a number of Document Management Systems out there, some of them Free. The only one I've played with seriously is knowledgetree, which has a metric ton of features, most of which are probably completely unnecessary for what you're doing. Scanning a paper document and creating a PDF (or whatever) is a separate process from managing that document, and would be done by a separate package (Gimp, possibly, though there's probably something else out there for making PDFs out of multiple images more easily). I believe the vast majority of managing systems really require Apache+MySQL/Postgres running. If you have fewer than a few thousand documents, and they all can be classified in at most one category, use a directory tree. Seriously. It's a lot less complicated and you can start immediately. If you have more than a few thousand, and there's a lot of metadata associated with the documents, and you need multiple users with different access rights, that's when a management system makes a bit more sense. You didn't mention OCR. The state of native Linux OCR is years behind the times compared to OS X/Doze OCR software. So if you need to OCR stuff, you're probably going to need another machine or a VM. HTH anyway, -- To avoid being eaten, the puffer fish blows itself up -- Debbie Maizels My blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Document Management
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: Scanning a paper document and creating a PDF (or whatever) is a separate process from managing that document, and would be done by a separate package (Gimp, possibly, though there's probably something else out there for making PDFs out of multiple images more easily). SANE will scan multiple documents directly into a multi-page pdf with just a few mouse clicks. Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Linux certification
Hello all - I'm new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved... I'm considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux certification
Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Linux certification
Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: USB Thumb Drive Issues?
I’m new to the group, but thought I’d chime in with my .02 cents worth. USB storage devices like you describe have a limited use per memory cell and often after those blocks have worn out start reporting error messages. I was using a corsair device for about a year when it suddenly develop similar issues. I ended up buying another….. Most of my IT experience has been with that Seattle company’s stuff only a recent convert, but you might try accessing the device on another system perhaps even a different OS and see if you have the same issue. Hope this helps. Doorman352 From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:45 AM To: unixprgrm...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: USB Thumb Drive Issues? On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 5:53 PM, unixprgrm...@gmail.com unixprgrm...@gmail.com wrote: Mike, Copying your files to your home directory MAY perpetuate the problem to other USB drives that you plug into that box, it depends on the nature of the problem. If the problem is a virus there is good chance that it will. If you want to do root cause analysis don't reformat your USB drive. Copying the files to your WINDOW$ home directory MAY perpetuate the problem to other USB drives. Most often the causes of write protection to USB drives are NOT viri. If you don't want to spend the time to do the analysis I suggest writing a little program to write binary 0's (NULL's) to the drive a few times to clean it up, then format it as you want. However, note that just by plugging the drive in you may have infected the computer you plugged it into. Well, I don't believe he can WRITE TO THE DRIVE? Again, Good Luck Lynn On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, mike Enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: I have a 4GB PNY thumb drive that has issues? It has become Write Protected. It is an Optima pro Attache. I searched the net and nothing that I have found has helped me out. Has any one in the group had this happen to them and how did you remove the write protection. I cannot see any special files on it except 2 of my own. Any suggestions out there? Thanks Mike Enriquez Hi Mike! There are a load of Window$ type repair suggestions here (Since this is a known bug in Xp SP2): http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-18654-USB-Flash-Drive-Write-protection.html Linux solutions are going to be basic drive management: plug in usb flash drive and mount (if you don't have automouter) dmesg to verify the device: # dmesg # mkdir /mnt/usbwork # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbwork (it might whine that you didn't specify the type if so:) # mount -t vfat (or NFS) /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbwork # cd /mnt/usbwork Copy off your old files # cp -r * $HOME # umount /mnt/usbhome # fdisk /dev/sda Remove all the partitions using the d command. create new partitions using the n command (you only really need one big one) set the file type W95 FAT32 (LBA) (or ext3 if making a bootable Linux distro) t (types will display) if this is going to hold a distro set the bootable flag a check your work: p save w Lay on a file system (that matches your file type): mkfs.vfat -I -n USBDRIVE /dev/sda1 Your drive should work now just fine! Reference: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346737 -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Document Management
Thanks to all who responded. What I will do is create my own tree and scan in the information. I typically have fewer than 150 docs per month I looked at Knowledge tree and that is way more than I need. I also do not need any OCR, and I can save them all in a pdf. Thanks for everyones help. Carlton Brooks --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Anyone know of a simple credit card billing option?
A lot of the gateway services offer two modes: A full API where you post data to them then digest the response, and a form you send the customer to and he checks out on their server. Example of the latter: authorize.net SIM. -Original Message- From: Josef Lowder j...@actionline.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 3:09 pm Subject: OT: Anyone know of a simple credit card billing option? While I have relatively few occasions for payments to be made to me via credit card, and I do have Paypal set up on my websites to accept purchases by credit card, that doesn't work in all situations. Are there any other low use relatively low-cost options for accepting payments by credit card? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux certification
I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux certification
Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!! So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the lib today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux certification I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
RE: Linux certification
Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all – I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks
Re: Linux certification
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!! So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the lib today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques for knowledge workers of all kinds. In my view, these techniques are going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards, then your work is cut out for you. One thing I notice lately is the premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college. The perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow roots with the company. Once the roots are grown, then we can max out the code bumper crop! Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring people. The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99 and 03. There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what those are. The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read about them for free at phx PL. have fun, and learning is half the battle. -jmz Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux certification I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55
RE: Linux certification
Dorian, I would like to talk more about your experience with training, I'm still exploring my options. I'd like to know what classes are worth the money, and where here in Phoenix I can take said classes. Thanks. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Dorian Monroe Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:40 PM To: Plug Subject: Re: Linux certification Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!! So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the lib today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux certification I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but very focused on *their* distributions. Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the pieces mix and match. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Hello all Im new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to repent and be saved .. Im considering getting Linux certification. I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. Thanks Doorman352 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change
Re: Linux certification
I don't hire people on the basis of either certification or education and neither did a great number of the original ISP's or development firms. I have a few certs (have gotten various certs through the years) but I don't believe they show anything other than I can certify. And I have hired people who had Masters in CS, all manner of Certs, who would NOT work, taking responsibility for nothing or who were essentially, academics rather than engineers or administrators, and could not perform if/then/therefore logical troubleshooting or real time emergency obnosis on the front lines during regular production linux work. If you want education, right now is the perfect time to get a degree, while the world changes around (did you see Dark City?)get grants and loans and go get a 4 year in 3 or something like UAT or Devry offers. WE LIVE IN AN EDUCATIONAL CASTE SYSTEM! You will be paid on the basis of your education and in corporate America, your lack of an education (without 25 years of experience) will get you a only a nice contract job or a technical support job No amount of certifications will change that! On 11/1/09, Jason Spatafore jason_onl...@spatafore.net wrote: Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who
Re: Linux certification
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I don't hire people on the basis of either certification or education and neither did a great number of the original ISP's or development firms. I have a few certs (have gotten various certs through the years) but I don't believe they show anything other than I can certify. And I have hired people who had Masters in CS, all manner of Certs, who would NOT work, taking responsibility for nothing or who were essentially, academics rather than engineers or administrators, and could not perform if/then/therefore logical troubleshooting or real time emergency obnosis on the front lines during regular production linux work. If you want education, right now is the perfect time to get a degree, I beg to differ... education is unbelievably overpriced. If you do not qualify for grants, ie. youre a white male, the return on education investment right now is very very poor. People often forget that the boomer generation often went to university without accruing any debt whatsoever (that is if they had the drive to do it). Today, going to college often means LIFETIME debt. As for your comments on hiring process, I knew someone who used to say exactly the same thing. He had no degree and had reached the ceiling of what a non-degreed person could achieve in the corporate world. He claimed that his discrimination process was much more effective than any university. What he was really doing was surrounding himself with sycophants who knew how he liked his ego stroked (= smart people in his language). Needless to say, the proof is in the pudding... the customer is interested in what you can accomplish. His department was constantly hanging by a thread and everyone worked 80+ hours a week. The good people dropped out quickly, and the undesirables were left ( whom he liked to think as having true grit). Colleges formalize and accreditize knowledge, and that isn't worthless. Its not worth anywhere near what you pay for it, however. -jmz while the world changes around (did you see Dark City?)get grants and loans and go get a 4 year in 3 or something like UAT or Devry offers. WE LIVE IN AN EDUCATIONAL CASTE SYSTEM! You will be paid on the basis of your education and in corporate America, your lack of an education (without 25 years of experience) will get you a only a nice contract job or a technical support job No amount of certifications will change that! On 11/1/09, Jason Spatafore jason_onl...@spatafore.net wrote: Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like
Re: Linux certification
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I don't hire people on the basis of either certification or education and neither did a great number of the original ISP's or development firms. I have a few certs (have gotten various certs through the years) but I don't believe they show anything other than I can certify. And I have hired people who had Masters in CS, all manner of Certs, who would NOT work, taking responsibility for nothing or who were essentially, academics rather than engineers or administrators, and could not perform if/then/therefore logical troubleshooting or real time emergency obnosis on the front lines during regular production linux work. If you want education, right now is the perfect time to get a degree, I beg to differ... education is unbelievably overpriced. If you do not qualify for grants, ie. youre a white male, the return on education investment right now is very very poor. People often forget that the boomer generation often went to university without accruing any debt whatsoever (that is if they had the drive to do it). Today, going to college often means LIFETIME debt. As for your comments on hiring process, I knew someone who used to say exactly the same thing. He had no degree and had reached the ceiling of what a non-degreed person could achieve in the corporate world. He claimed that his discrimination process was much more effective than any university. What he was really doing was surrounding himself with sycophants who knew how he liked his ego stroked (= smart people in his language). Needless to say, the proof is in the pudding... the customer is interested in what you can accomplish. His department was constantly hanging by a thread and everyone worked 80+ hours a week. The good people dropped out quickly, and the undesirables were left ( whom he liked to think as having true grit). Colleges formalize and accreditize knowledge, and that isn't worthless. Its not worth anywhere near what you pay for it, however. -jmz Quite true. Our educational caste system is useless, but nothing can change the fact it exists. Maybe whatever metamorphisis is currently occurring Internationally will change that? mutter.I doubt it! while the world changes around (did you see Dark City?)get grants and loans and go get a 4 year in 3 or something like UAT or Devry offers. WE LIVE IN AN EDUCATIONAL CASTE SYSTEM! You will be paid on the basis of your education and in corporate America, your lack of an education (without 25 years of experience) will get you a only a nice contract job or a technical support job No amount of certifications will change that! On 11/1/09, Jason Spatafore jason_onl...@spatafore.net wrote: Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for
Re: Linux certification
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: I don't hire people on the basis of either certification or education and neither did a great number of the original ISP's or development firms. I have a few certs (have gotten various certs through the years) but I don't believe they show anything other than I can certify. And I have hired people who had Masters in CS, all manner of Certs, who would NOT work, taking responsibility for nothing or who were essentially, academics rather than engineers or administrators, and could not perform if/then/therefore logical troubleshooting or real time emergency obnosis on the front lines during regular production linux work. If you want education, right now is the perfect time to get a degree, I beg to differ... education is unbelievably overpriced. If you do not qualify for grants, ie. youre a white male, the return on education investment right now is very very poor. People often forget that the boomer generation often went to university without accruing any debt whatsoever (that is if they had the drive to do it). Today, going to college often means LIFETIME debt. As for your comments on hiring process, I knew someone who used to say exactly the same thing. He had no degree and had reached the ceiling of what a non-degreed person could achieve in the corporate world. He claimed that his discrimination process was much more effective than any university. What he was really doing was surrounding himself with sycophants who knew how he liked his ego stroked (= smart people in his language). Needless to say, the proof is in the pudding... the customer is interested in what you can accomplish. His department was constantly hanging by a thread and everyone worked 80+ hours a week. The good people dropped out quickly, and the undesirables were left ( whom he liked to think as having true grit). Colleges formalize and accreditize knowledge, and that isn't worthless. Its not worth anywhere near what you pay for it, however. -jmz Quite true. Our educational caste system is useless, but nothing can change the fact it exists. Maybe whatever metamorphisis is currently occurring Internationally will change that? mutter.I doubt it! My take on things is that American are far poorer than they realize. Large segments of American society have zero financial leverage (the situation is probably much worse when you consider how constraining employment and healthcare are). Money is like manure. It should be spread around. but not my money. :) -jmz while the world changes around (did you see Dark City?)get grants and loans and go get a 4 year in 3 or something like UAT or Devry offers. WE LIVE IN AN EDUCATIONAL CASTE SYSTEM! You will be paid on the basis of your education and in corporate America, your lack of an education (without 25 years of experience) will get you a only a nice contract job or a technical support job No amount of certifications will change that! On 11/1/09, Jason Spatafore jason_onl...@spatafore.net wrote: Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library
Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
Actually, I see a good number of .Net references and stuff like this: http://www.wilwheaton.net/mt/archives/001606.php So, a geek is not what I call the I'm a PC types? I call them NERDS! On 11/1/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
Ooops, I stand corrected: He Lampoons Linux: http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2007/02/the_problem_wit.html On 11/1/09, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Actually, I see a good number of .Net references and stuff like this: http://www.wilwheaton.net/mt/archives/001606.php So, a geek is not what I call the I'm a PC types? I call them NERDS! On 11/1/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Actually, I see a good number of .Net references Hes probably getting paid for it. Not Joking. -jmz and stuff like this: http://www.wilwheaton.net/mt/archives/001606.php So, a geek is not what I call the I'm a PC types? I call them NERDS! On 11/1/09, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Actually, I see a good number of .Net references Hes probably getting paid for it. Not Joking. -jmz If Microsoft could be that creative in its marketing its Embassy in the Scottsdale Fashion Square wouldn't have been such an unoriginal knock-off of the Apple Store. -- [.dh] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
Yes, he was Wesley Crusher, of alt.westley.crusher.die.die.die.die.die fame, and also the skinny nerd kid in Stand by Me. He is a true geek. Still plays games with 2d20's and rpg's at cons. He is a true geek, and doesn't need rebranded to be seen as a geek. He's a really intelligent and witty person, and that's why I read his blog (http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/) and follow him on Twitter (#wilw)! Honestly makes me laugh! --Original Message-- From: Joshua Zeidner Sender: Plug To: Plug ReplyTo: Plug Subject: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek Sent: Nov 1, 2009 8:13 PM http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Sent from my blackberry --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Document Management
On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:20 -0700, Carlton Brooks wrote: I am looking for a program to handle all my family/business documents. I would like to be able to scan in the document/invoice etc and have some control over where to store it. Is there a program out there that will help me do this. I'd recommend gscan2pdf. It works with SANE, but does nice things like handle double sided stuff easily. It will also work with GOCR to do OCR, but leave the text embedded in the document (not shown) so it can be searched, but when a human looks at it they see the scanned image. --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. A friend of mine met him at Comicon PHX earlier this year. Weaton noticed his PAX (Penny Arcade Expo) shirt and started talking about geeky stuff with him. He's been a geek figurehead for more than a few years now. Plus that desk not terribly over the top geeky; The Defcon badges, binary clock, Mac G5 ad, nerf gun, and framed poster of the First Cylon War are worse, and that's just my living room. -- [.dh] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:32 PM, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Actually, I see a good number of .Net references Hes probably getting paid for it. Not Joking. -jmz If Microsoft could be that creative in its marketing its Embassy in the Scottsdale Fashion Square wouldn't have been such an unoriginal knock-off of the Apple Store. VERY FUNNY: http://blogs.computerworld.com/14986/microsofts_family_guy_cancellation_windows_7_yes_incest_and_deaf_people_no -jmz -- [.dh] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek
Well I havent written it off just yet... I will read it before I start ripping on it. The pic on the back is totally lame though. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:26 PM, David Huerta huerta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X Anyone read this? Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some unidentified Geek Joke. A bit too excessive for me to take seriously, looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he used to be on Star Trek). Should be interesting learning what the marketing world thinks of Linux users. rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor. A friend of mine met him at Comicon PHX earlier this year. Weaton noticed his PAX (Penny Arcade Expo) shirt and started talking about geeky stuff with him. He's been a geek figurehead for more than a few years now. Plus that desk not terribly over the top geeky; The Defcon badges, binary clock, Mac G5 ad, nerf gun, and framed poster of the First Cylon War are worse, and that's just my living room. -- [.dh] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Linux certification
Thanks again Jason- You make a good point. I've been around since PC XT/TRS-80/TI-99/Apple IIe computers, I also manage a small company's Wan here in town so I have the background, just not the practical when it comes to Linux. I've played with it since Mandrake 8? And never had much luck only because I didn't have a good life line. Now I've got 2 servers and 3 desktops running Ubuntu on my network where I play and experiment. Unfortunately my ability to diagnose and resolve issues is not where I would like it to be. I used to program in 8088 assembly, and BASIC, enough Fortran and Pascal to get by and I can spell C I survived DOS, Windows 3.1, OS/2, and the 95 era and my only real issue with Linux is drawing the relationship between what I know and what Linux has called it My kingdom for an interpreter Anyway I found PLUG and I plan to participate in the IRC channels and make the necessary contacts to build up my support structure, so expect to see me as Doorman352 floating around I still want to explore the available training opportunities so that if I decide to go that route I'm prepared. I know the newbie routine all too well as I've been new to more computer revolutions than I want to remember I remember when a 286-12 Mhz system with 1 MB RAM was a screaming machine. Oh god I feel so old. I still have that board around here somewhere. Maybe it'll run Linux too H Anyway, I'll be the first to admit my limitations, and to ask for help. Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons aka Doorman352 -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:51 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: RE: Linux certification Linux+ objectives are changing this year, so I don't think you could cram for the exam quite yet since the newer books will probably be heading out to the shelves soon. However, I always place stock in the exam cram and exam prep books as those seem to help tremendously. (I used exam cram + exam prep for my exam back in 2003.) Other good books that are not exam related would be anything from O'reilly. For the ask and answer part...I would suggest online communities and this discussion list. Go to a few install fests. Talk with the people...most importantly, don't be afraid to sound stupid...we all went through the Oh crap, I forgot everything is a file thought. :) If you feel really ambitious...pick up a book about C programming. Not C ++...C programming. The Linux kernel, and many of the other commands are programmed in C. This gives you an understanding of the Syntax. Then there is some knowledge of Perl, Python, etc. You don't need the advanced knowledge of a programmer, but you do need to get a good hold on the syntatical differences. This can all be done online for free if you find the penny pile starting to get a little reduced. The beauty of Linux...is that experience and community overrules certification and profit. On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 14:08 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those
RE: Linux certification
Josh, I'm already employed as the IT Manager for a local company. We have MS systems to date and my desire to expand into Linux will eventually carry this company with me. My background is Telecommunications but I always find myself back in IT somehow, but anyway the burden for this training is due to my own ambition not the company's. I just thought that taking the classes would help me get up to speed faster. Thanks Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:05 PM To: dorian.mon...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!! So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the lib today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques for knowledge workers of all kinds. In my view, these techniques are going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards, then your work is cut out for you. One thing I notice lately is the premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college. The perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow roots with the company. Once the roots are grown, then we can max out the code bumper crop! Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring people. The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99 and 03. There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what those are. The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read about them for free at phx PL. have fun, and learning is half the battle. -jmz Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux certification I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) Do not think you can certify yourself into the industry. Linux is beyond an organized structure of system administrationit's a thought process. You approach the problem with what do I need to do? then is there a command that already does it? Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely explore...a LOT. That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of the people who will change that drawback. All I have is Linux+...there's also
Re: Linux certification
Sean, good luck expanding your horizons. Been clocking some time myself with some new subjects, but I assume that this knowledge will not be something I can leverage in the job world. Its a very abstract area of computer science that is typically done in high end research labs. My efforts will inevitably be branded as amateur. Even if I do progress the field in some way, there is little chance I will be credited. I could go the Uni route, but that means debt + bureaucratic overhead. I will try submitting to Arxiv. And so it goes... ultimately I recognize that if I do it, it must be for my own satisfaction. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Josh, I'm already employed as the IT Manager for a local company. We have MS systems to date and my desire to expand into Linux will eventually carry this company with me. My background is Telecommunications but I always find myself back in IT somehow, but anyway the burden for this training is due to my own ambition not the company's. I just thought that taking the classes would help me get up to speed faster. Thanks Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua Zeidner Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:05 PM To: dorian.mon...@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe dorian.mon...@cox.net wrote: Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!! So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the lib today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques for knowledge workers of all kinds. In my view, these techniques are going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards, then your work is cut out for you. One thing I notice lately is the premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college. The perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow roots with the company. Once the roots are grown, then we can max out the code bumper crop! Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring people. The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99 and 03. There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what those are. The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read about them for free at phx PL. have fun, and learning is half the battle. -jmz Sent from my blackberry -Original Message- From: Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 To: Main PLUG discussion listplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: Linux certification I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people decide to hire you: http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. -jmz On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.com wrote: Jason - Thank you for your response. I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking questions-getting answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than a newbie.. :) I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace 75% of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident in my abilities first. Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a factor yet. I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual desktop. Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} Thanks again for your time. Sean Parsons -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason Spatafore Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linux certification Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can be. (After 3 years,
