OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
I found this site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) to be rather illuminating, especially with regard to free software. However, this part scares me more than anything: United States Knowledge Ecology International /wiki/Knowledge_Ecology_International also filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) /wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_%28United_States%29 request in the United States but had their entire request denied, with the United State Trade Representative's FOIA office stating it was withheld for being material properly classified in the interest of national security. However, a recent leak has shown that the Obama administration intends to start an undisclosed internet chapter.^[41] #cite_note-HuffPo-40 ^Comments? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
Hi, The **ONLY** source of said leak so far has been one Micheal Geist, with absolutely no other sources. EVERYTHING links back to him. As such I have a very hard time not reading this without a grain of salt. Ryan Technomage wrote: I found this site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) to be rather illuminating, especially with regard to free software. However, this part scares me more than anything: United States Knowledge Ecology International /wiki/Knowledge_Ecology_International also filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) /wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_%28United_States%29 request in the United States but had their entire request denied, with the United State Trade Representative's FOIA office stating it was withheld for being material properly classified in the interest of national security. However, a recent leak has shown that the Obama administration intends to start an undisclosed internet chapter.^[41] #cite_note-HuffPo-40 ^Comments? -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: I found this site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) to be rather illuminating, especially with regard to free software. However, this part scares me more than anything: United States Knowledge Ecology International /wiki/Knowledge_Ecology_International also filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) /wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_%28United_States%29 request in the United States but had their entire request denied, with the United State Trade Representative's FOIA office stating it was withheld for being material properly classified in the interest of national security. However, a recent leak has shown that the Obama administration intends to start an undisclosed internet chapter.^[41] #cite_note-HuffPo-40 ^Comments? Feifdom, serfdom, freedumnever trust words with a dum on the end. The only freedom we have is through responsibility. -John Trudel -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Help, my Xserver just died!
I performed an apt-get update/upgrade on my Debian testing machine, and now my X server is dead. This is the error I got: X.Org X Server 1.6.5 Release Date: 2009-10-11 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.30.8-dsa-ia32 i686 Debian Current Operating System: Linux beagle 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 13 October 2009 11:25:51AM xorg-server 2:1.6.5-1 (bui...@murphy.debian.org) Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Tue Nov 10 11:35:36 2009 /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpciaccess.so.0: undefined symbol: gzopen64 I googled the last line and did not find anything relevant or any solution. Has anyone seen this problem before, and hopefully, a solution? Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Help, my Xserver just died!
is your machine a 64bit machine? gzopen64 makes it sound like a 64bit binary... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.bizwrote: I performed an apt-get update/upgrade on my Debian testing machine, and now my X server is dead. This is the error I got: X.Org X Server 1.6.5 Release Date: 2009-10-11 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.30.8-dsa-ia32 i686 Debian Current Operating System: Linux beagle 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 13 October 2009 11:25:51AM xorg-server 2:1.6.5-1 (bui...@murphy.debian.org) Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Tue Nov 10 11:35:36 2009 /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpciaccess.so.0: undefined symbol: gzopen64 I googled the last line and did not find anything relevant or any solution. Has anyone seen this problem before, and hopefully, a solution? Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Help, my Xserver just died!
Try apt-cache search gzopen to see if you can resolve the dependency. You may need to add a repository. JD On Nov 10, 2009 12:10 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: is your machine a 64bit machine? gzopen64 makes it sound like a 64bit binary... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I performed an apt-get update/upgrade on my Debian testing machine, and now my X server is dead --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Help, my Xserver just died!
Eric, No, just an old Pentium 32 bit machine. That is what is so strange. However, I did manage to solve it by further digging on the ubuntu forums... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/151045. I am not running ubuntu, just debian. The problem is with libz.so. In /usr/local/lib I have: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 13 2007-11-01 17:39 /usr/local/lib/libz.so - libz.so.1.2.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 13 2007-11-01 17:39 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1 - libz.so.1.2.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 85K 2007-11-01 17:39 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 In /usr/lib I have: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-08-13 16:37 /usr/lib/libz.so - libz.so.1.2.3.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2009-08-13 16:37 /usr/lib/libz.so.1 - libz.so.1.2.3.3 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 80K 2009-08-04 11:54 /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3 A newer version of libz is in /usr/lib as is in /usr/local/lib. I changed /usr/local/lib to be: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 24 2009-11-10 12:33 /usr/local/lib/libz.so - /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 24 2009-11-10 12:34 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1 - /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 85K 2007-11-01 17:39 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 and rebooted. X came up with no problems and gdm is puring along. I will see what happens with the next update, but I will probably just cop libz.so.1.2.3.3 over the libz.so.1.2.3 and put the links back. Any ideas on how to figure out where the libz.so.1.2.3 got into /usr/local/lib? Mark On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: is your machine a 64bit machine? gzopen64 makes it sound like a 64bit binary... On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I performed an apt-get update/upgrade on my Debian testing machine, and now my X server is dead. This is the error I got: X.Org X Server 1.6.5 Release Date: 2009-10-11 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.30.8-dsa-ia32 i686 Debian Current Operating System: Linux beagle 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 13 October 2009 11:25:51AM xorg-server 2:1.6.5-1 (bui...@murphy.debian.org) Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Tue Nov 10 11:35:36 2009 /usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpciaccess.so.0: undefined symbol: gzopen64 I googled the last line and did not find anything relevant or any solution. Has anyone seen this problem before, and hopefully, a solution? Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Eric Cope http://cope-et-al.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software)
OK, [0] hard time, times [1] not reading is -- so far -- a double negative. I have no problem (ain't got no un-problem) with lots of negatives, but I just think you meant the meaning, that goes with an EVEN number of them here. So, I think it should be with a grain of salt. instead of [2] without a grain of salt. because IMHO, [2] makes it a triple negative which -- has the meaning 180 degrees from what it should be. Don't get me wrong -- a quadruple negative would be fine here. Just not an ODD number of negatives, since that has the meaning off by a power of minus one from what it should be. Just my 0.02 (or, micro 2.0E+4), -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The **ONLY** source of said leak so far has been one Micheal Geist, with absolutely no other sources. EVERYTHING links back to him. As such I have a very hard time not reading this without a grain of salt. Ryan Technomage wrote: I found this site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement) to be rather illuminating, especially with regard to free software. However, this part scares me more than anything: [...] ^Comments? -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discusshttp://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software)
Vim Nano Mike Schwartz wrote: OK, [0] hard time, times [1] not reading is -- so far -- a double negative. I have no problem (ain't got no un-problem) with lots of negatives, but I just think you meant the meaning, that goes with an EVEN number of them here. So, I think it should be with a grain of salt. instead of [2] without a grain of salt. because IMHO, [2] makes it a triple negative which -- has the meaning 180 degrees from what it should be. Don't get me wrong -- a quadruple negative would be fine here. Just not an ODD number of negatives, since that has the meaning off by a power of minus one from what it should be. Just my 0.02 (or, micro 2.0E+4), -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
Interesting. btw, if you have such a hard time accepting this, I invite you to file your own FOIA paperwork and see if you get the requested documents. IF you do, then we all win. Ryan Rix wrote: Hi, The **ONLY** source of said leak so far has been one Micheal Geist, with absolutely no other sources. EVERYTHING links back to him. As such I have a very hard time not reading this without a grain of salt. Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
Right, I believe I got the typical response sometime after 2001. I have the form letter, if you would like to have me scan it in. After many years working in IT for the U.S. Army, Veterans Administration, U.S.Bank/KeyBank, Telecoms, Nike, ISP's and many ECommerce firms and start-ups, I don't disagree with the process of keeping information private, just the vague wording of the letter, but that subject is not exactly on-topic. A long political discussion need not begin: #end On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting. btw, if you have such a hard time accepting this, I invite you to file your own FOIA paperwork and see if you get the requested documents. IF you do, then we all win. Ryan Rix wrote: Hi, The **ONLY** source of said leak so far has been one Micheal Geist, with absolutely no other sources. EVERYTHING links back to him. As such I have a very hard time not reading this without a grain of salt. Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 www.it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Samba/Ubuntu in a windows network OR How to break your network in 3 easy steps....
I am actively trying to join a server running Ubuntu server 9.04 to my windows Ad domain as a Samba file server. I was directed to several how tos and after many hours of trying to figure things out, my windows AD/Kerberos faulted and my network went down, and yes I have backups... I'll get it fixed, but I'd like to figure out what went wrong, and how something like this could happen. My final goal is to replace all/most of my windows servers with Linux equivalents, and although I'm competent in Windows, I am little better than a newbie when it comes to Linux. I've reached the stage where I can really break something if I try.. J I would appreciate an opportunity to discuss my situation with someone who has experience and can possibly identify what steps I need and what I should avoid in the future... Thanks Sean Parsons --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Samba/Ubuntu in a windows network OR How to break your network in 3 easy steps....
Install webmin; it has a nice web interface to administer Samba. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Sean Parsons s...@theparsonsfamily.comwrote: I am actively trying to join a server running Ubuntu server 9.04 to my windows Ad domain as a Samba file server. I was directed to several how tos and after many hours of trying to figure things out, my windows AD/Kerberos faulted and my network went down, and yes I have backups….. I’ll get it fixed, but I’d like to figure out what went wrong, and how something like this could happen. My final goal is to replace all/most of my windows servers with Linux equivalents, and although I’m competent in Windows, I am little better than a newbie when it comes to Linux. I’ve reached the stage where I can really break something if I try.. J I would appreciate an opportunity to discuss my situation with someone who has experience and can possibly identify what steps I need and what I should avoid in the future….. Thanks Sean Parsons --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Samba/Ubuntu in a windows network OR How to break your network in 3 easy steps....
Sean Parsons wrote: I am actively trying to join a server running Ubuntu server 9.04 to my windows Ad domain as a Samba file server. I was directed to several how tos and after many hours of trying to figure things out, my windows AD/Kerberos faulted and my network went down, and yes I have backups….. I’ll get it fixed, but I’d like to figure out what went wrong, and how something like this could happen. My final goal is to replace all/most of my windows servers with Linux equivalents, and although I’m competent in Windows, I am little better than a newbie when it comes to Linux. I’ve reached the stage where I can really break something if I try.. J I would appreciate an opportunity to discuss my situation with someone who has experience and can possibly identify what steps I need and what I should avoid in the future….. Thanks Sean Parsons I think I can help you out Sean. Feel free to contact me off list. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software
Lisa, My response was originally to Ryan regarding his initial response per my posting. However, I can take your word for it that the FOIA response since sept 2001 has been less than stellar. Still, on an issue that affects even free and open software for governments to take something thats supposed to be publically debated and accessible and make it a metter of national security makes me wonder what they are really up to. Clearly, the current administration is showing an aptitude for these kinds of secrecy games not seen since the height of the cold war. There is something very wrong in the halls of power and it directly affects us all in one form or another. Lisa Kachold wrote: Right, I believe I got the typical response sometime after 2001. I have the form letter, if you would like to have me scan it in. After many years working in IT for the U.S. Army, Veterans Administration, U.S.Bank/KeyBank, Telecoms, Nike, ISP's and many ECommerce firms and start-ups, I don't disagree with the process of keeping information private, just the vague wording of the letter, but that subject is not exactly on-topic. A long political discussion need not begin: #end --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
I have used linux for many years, and I have found that upgrades in place rarely work in the past. Has anyone done a upgrade in place using the Update Manager for ubuntu 9.10? Did it work? Or would it be better to just create a tarball of my home directory, save it off, download and burn the iso, and just do a full install? -- Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 K7AZJ This email's Fortune: If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA, Secrecy and free software)
I don't pay no never mind to those things. :-) -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:20 PM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: OT: nano nitpick (triple negative) (was: Re: OT, ACTA,Secrecy and free software) Vim Nano Mike Schwartz wrote: OK, [0] hard time, times [1] not reading is -- so far -- a double negative. I have no problem (ain't got no un-problem) with lots of negatives, but I just think you meant the meaning, that goes with an EVEN number of them here. So, I think it should be with a grain of salt. instead of [2] without a grain of salt. because IMHO, [2] makes it a triple negative which -- has the meaning 180 degrees from what it should be. Don't get me wrong -- a quadruple negative would be fine here. Just not an ODD number of negatives, since that has the meaning off by a power of minus one from what it should be. Just my 0.02 (or, micro 2.0E+4), -- Ryan Rix Fedora KDE SIG Member, Phoenix AZ Ambassador, News KDE Beat Writer Please refrain from mailing me directly in replies, I am subsribing via GMane NNTP. Thank you. http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://identi.ca/phrkonaleash XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com AIM: phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash IRC: phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#plugaz,#fedora-kde and countless other FOSS channels. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
I downloaded the ISO and it would even install on a Tpad R40. -jmz On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Jerry Davis jdaw...@cox.net wrote: I have used linux for many years, and I have found that upgrades in place rarely work in the past. Has anyone done a upgrade in place using the Update Manager for ubuntu 9.10? Did it work? Or would it be better to just create a tarball of my home directory, save it off, download and burn the iso, and just do a full install? -- Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown Registered Linux User: 275424 K7AZJ This email's Fortune: If ignorance is bliss, why aren't there more happy people? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 22:09 -0700, Jerry Davis wrote: I have used linux for many years, and I have found that upgrades in place rarely work in the past. I've had the opposite experience, for the most part... my main desktop has been upgrading in-place since ubuntu 6.10 Has anyone done a upgrade in place using the Update Manager for ubuntu 9.10? Did it work? On 3 of the 4 computer's I've done so far, the upgrade was flawless, aside from the new firefox icon not automatically appearing. Of the successful ones, 2 were AMD/nVidia-based desktops, both relatively new, custom builds w/ Gigabyte mobos, and 1 was a Dell Inspiron 1545 w/ integrated Intel graphics. The computer that misbehaved slightly was my main desktop (which usually misbehaves)... a slightly older (about 4-5 years now), but still custom built, AMD/ATI box on an MSI mobo, with lots of extra hardware (webcam, dual-head video, SB Audio deluxe sound card, Logitech G15 keyboard...). The fglrx modules failed to build for the new kernel and I had to remove them manually and replace them with the FOSS Radeon driver (which has gotten a lot better since I last used it, imho), and the flashplugin-installer broke, and I'm w/o flash atm because I haven't bothered to fix it yet. Additionally after the first reboot X failed to start automatically, and I had to login/startx myself. After the second reboot though, everything worked as expected...just had to redo my speaker config because I chose to overwrite the old pulseaudio daemon.conf file during the upgrade. Other than that though, everything seems to be working just fine. Or would it be better to just create a tarball of my home directory, save it off, download and burn the iso, and just do a full install? I always back up the really important stuff anyway, but it's probably not entirely needed anymore, unless you really want to. If you're unsure/nervous though, just back everything up anyway and try the upgrade. if it works, keep it and no harm done...if the upgrade doesn't work like you want for whatever reason, do a fresh install and start over. Alternatively, you can always try downloading the alternate CD, and upgrading from that. I usually do that for my laptops since I'm using them on the go, and downloading the whole upgrade takes a pretty long time. I didn't this time, but the last time I did with my old laptop (which is still on 8.04 for an LTS-to-LTS upgrade test) it worked fine. Hope that helps :) -- Andrew _ Registered Linux User: 473690 Registered Ubuntu User: 22747 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
Ext4 is one of the best new features, now fully stable. It's worth the clean install to get. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: anyone done a ubuntu 9.10 upgrade yet?
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 22:30 -0700, Joseph Sinclair wrote: This depends on what you want out of the upgrade: For most desktop use, upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 is pretty smooth and painless, although you'll be stuck with the stupid chooser login, all of the other GDM options are gone. [snip] There's actually a ton of new ways to configure the new GDM, there's just not a GUI to do it while logged into a session yet. To customize the GUI: 1. log out 2. ctrl+alt+F1 to a tty terminal 3. login, then run the following 2 commands: 1. export DISPLAY=:0.0 2. sudo -u gdm gnome-control-center 4. ctrl+alt+F7 back to the gdm login, and rejoice at the menu available 5. Configure away. you can change the fonts/wallpaper of the gdm screen from 'Appearences', as well as the window borders, colors, etc 6. If you're like me and have dual-screens, you can go to 'Display' and configure them so they don't just mirror each-other. 7. You can even enable basic desktop effects using metacity's compositing feature, if you want to by going back to the TTY1, and typing in sudo -u gdm gconf-editor, and editing the /apps/metacity/compositing key [snip] After install, use sudo apt-get purge update-manager update-notifier update-manager-core update-notifier-common to get rid of the pop-under stupidity in update manager (introduced in 9.04 and still present in 9.10). or... you could restore the traditional notification functionality of update-manager by doing: gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false as prescribed here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 I agree that the update-manager popping up to tell you about updates is very annoying and distracting... theres ALWAYS better ways to give information to your users than popups (though I'll admit, the new notify-osd system is pretty slick). hope that proves useful to you! -- Andrew _ Registered Linux User: 473690 Registered Ubuntu User: 22747 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
