Mail Lists, IRC & Meeting Organization Coordination and Unity
Historically, Hans has maintained the PLUG email lists in compliance with the rest of LUGs across America in non-moderated fashion. Various PLUG controversies about the lists have consistently been waged: A GREAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT PLUG DISCUSS because of these issues: 0) Job Post clogs (even from other cities/states) 1) Chattiness of the List Members. 2) Off-topic Posts. 3) Posts from PLUG members who don't address the technical question at hand. 4) Threads that have degenerated to a personally negative level clog inboxes in email war fashion. 5) Distro warz & Microsoft bashing floods boxes that are only interested in learning. 6) Politics. Many have suggested that PLUG Discuss slice up to a greater group format like other UGs, to include: PLUG OT PLUG Politics PLUG Security PLUG JobPosts (this exists already) Hans or Alan PLEASE create these lists (I don't have access unless I hack Mailman from root on the server): http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/cgi-bin/mailman/create And members can post appropriately to limit chatter for the purists, who like only technical linux with their high volume lists. Others want a member to be appointed to moderate lists or at least moderate the PLUG discuss. Old time members will leave if they have to endure moderation. Archives of threads with valuable information are not available from our Drupal mailman installation, but are archived on other sites who pick up the RSS feeds. Why is this? Members who have become argumentative after failing to understand technical direction and information volunteered from an experienced member on the PLUG discuss list have gone to IRC to bend anyone's ear who would listen complaining about a situation they started via degeneration into defensive arguing and personal bias'ed type distro bashing. Other constructive critique from some of the teachers in our midst drawing attention to symantics, linux defintions, and "staying on subject" & "in the solution" has been misunderstood as additional personal attacks without sufficient context from following the full thread and emotions are mis-read since personal expression in email is limited. Idealistic volunteers have tried to moderate both IRC (which has likewise no policy against "trolling") and intervene in the PLUG discuss lists with the resulting lack of unity, harsh critique and hurt feelings. None in Linux land like to be censored or hear others constantly reminded to start or stop talking, drop or continue this thread or that. Moderation, maintained on other lists, is a matter of using technical tools to simply post list rules, warn members, drop posts to threads and ban members. Various meetings have folded through lack of support, partially due to economic industry factors, and partly due to the level of gossip, disorganized agendas, and failures of members to keep commitments. Obtaining good meeting space has been historically difficult without non-profit status or bonding. We have had to go to The Foundation for Blind Children, and private colleges, where community rooms are available or bonding under another UG name is done. Gossip that covers subjects as deep as employment history, personal grievances, personal health and other life choices of members, and annoyances as shallow as discussion of member's criminal history or ability to compete for jobs due to credit issues. NONE of this petty bantering about of personal information is acceptable in any professional organization. Members who apply for work from various consulting and contracting or employment firms in Arizona or who interact volunteering for PLUG should never be exposed to such disrespect for confidentiality. Others who are promoting classes exhibit severe lack of ethics and professionalism by nattering about this or that other teacher or member's presentation or technical skills. People consistently want to volunteer yet don't know how to do so, even erroneously assume that they have to approach Hans to work with InstallFest or Hackfest projects. The Drupal 4.7 (updated) website is in need of rebuild (completion) and database updating for role based signups, RSVP for events, reminders of events from the Drupal modules, and other items that would assist volunteers to simply choose a slot and download or read the role that they just volunteered for. There is no process of interviewing for this or that presentation of role. Scheduling is immediately managed by Drupal calendering. Rooms and other resources, including treasury money from sale of tee-shirts can be tracked via PayPal accounts linked with Drupal. Projects fail where organization or authorization is required. Time for volunteering is all eaten away simply by appearing at a multitude of "planning meetings" and nothing ever gets accomplished; a calculated nothing controlled carefully? People who have interacted in well organized volunteer endeavors or LUGS, Freegeek.org, and/or attended regular cons or Perl Mongers, well know tha
PLUG: Mail Lists, IRC & Meeting Organization Coordination and Unity
Alan chimes in: -- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Dayley Date: Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM Subject: Re: PLUG: Mail Lists, IRC & Meeting Organization Coordination and Unity To: Lisa Kachold Interesting discussion, Lisa. I must first come clean with what is probably obvious by now. I have not been actively involved with PLUG for at least a year, maybe longer. The last time I did something specific for PLUG was to help move our server to Deru. I apologize for not making my lack of involvement clear to everyone. I still support Linux and the need for PLUG but my spare time allocations are now elsewhere. I appreciate Hans, Lisa and others for keeping me in the loop on things, even when I've been AWOL. And to be involved in this discussion is a sign of respect that I do not take lightly. Thank you. Now to the point with comments inline below... On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Historically, Hans has maintained the PLUG email lists in compliance > with the rest of LUGs across America in non-moderated fashion. > Various PLUG controversies about the lists have consistently been > waged: > > > A GREAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE LEFT PLUG DISCUSS because of these issues: > > 0) Job Post clogs (even from other cities/states) > 1) Chattiness of the List Members. > 2) Off-topic Posts. > 3) Posts from PLUG members who don't address the technical question at hand. > 4) Threads that have degenerated to a personally negative level clog > inboxes in email war fashion. > 5) Distro warz & Microsoft bashing floods boxes that are only > interested in learning. > 6) Politics. I started being involved with PLUG in May 2000. For at least 7 years the number of angry posts to the plug-discuss were almost none. The off-topic and other stuff is a relatively recent change that has saddened me. > Many have suggested that PLUG Discuss slice up to a greater group > format like other UGs, to include: > > PLUG OT > PLUG Politics > PLUG Security > PLUG JobPosts (this exists already) This idea has been discussed several times recently. I agree that the reasons for doing this are now beyond the reasons for not doing it. > Hans or Alan PLEASE create these lists (I don't have access unless I > hack Mailman from root on the server): > http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/cgi-bin/mailman/create I no longer have access to do this. Not from action on the part of someone "locking" me out but because I don't remember the passwords anymore. It's been a long time since I have used them. Given that my PLUG involvement is nearly null, I don't think I am the right one to execute this, in any case. I would like to see it done. > Others want a member to be appointed to moderate lists or at least > moderate the PLUG discuss. Old time members will leave if they have > to endure moderation. Splitting the list to other topics if far preferable over moderating for many reasons. Do the new lists first and see if moderation is needed. > Archives of threads with valuable information are not available from > our Drupal mailman installation, but are archived on other sites who > pick up the RSS feeds. Why is this? I don't understand what "Drupal mailman installation" is. The plug-discuss archive is where it has been for years: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/splash/index.html And a blank search shows posts from today: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/search/20111201.07.0...@.en.html If the Lurker database is inadequate or not wanted, the data should be moved somewhere else, I guess. [clip detail stuff about bad behavior and consequences] A tale of sadness and woe. Technical measures will keep out such behavior only so much and become costly to the good communication. Humans are odd and unprofessional behavior happens. The culture of the group is the only way to keep such under control. If the well behaved don't speak up, don't backup those who speak up, wait for others to speak up or just leave, the bad behaviors become the norm. [clip detail stuff about poor management and consequences] I once described PLUG as a "benevolent dictatorship" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship) The Steering Committee is the dictator. A soft, friendly dictator, willing to change direction if the group desires a change. And then the dictator (the Steering Committee) got burned out, too busy, distracted. And the group did not know how to get the committee back or to create a new one. And the group floundered. I am so sorry to have been a major source of the distracted dictator. Very sorry. > Overall, I would like to request that everyone model unity, foster > respect and win-win solutions. Please leave off the gossip and > personal nattering over imagined wrongs and try to implement solutions > using technology, asking Hans for direct solutions or commitment until > PLUG gets over these growth pains or economic strife while > communicating to the right source di
Re: How to stop the deluge of entries in /var/log files?
>> On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 18:15 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: >> Feb 4 04:11:01 crond: root /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh >> Feb 4 04:12:01 crond: root /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh [this is running every minute] Bad cron job somewhere, unless the script is totally breaking all syslog conventions. From: Eric Cope > I know on FreeBSD, system crons are located on /var, but user > crons are located in the user directory. Is Linux the same way? > Are cron files located in multiple areas? The system crontab is in /etc/crontab, user crontabs are in /var/spool/cron/ . At least that's how it is on Linux with vixie cron. /etc/crontab typically contains a few environment settings and the scripts that call everything in cron.hourly, cron.daily, cron.weekly, and so forth. "grep -r promisc /var/spool/cron/ " and see what you come up with, and edit whichever user's crontab has the command in it. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
On the PLUG website, it would be very helpful to add a category called "Best sources/prices" where PLUG members could post information about the best sources and best prices members have found for various computer-related products and services. A few days ago, I was advised (for health reasons (another story) and to eliminate noise that the modem/router was apparently infusing into my telephone and my speakers) that I should move it several feet farther away from my desk. So, I went shopping for 25' ethernet cables and I found prices all over the map. Radio Shack was ridiculously expensive ($39.95/each), and even Walmart's prices seemed rather high ($20.00 for 20' cat5e). So I searched the net and found a source where superior 25' cat6 cables were only $5.25/ea. ShowMeCables.com I went to the PLUG website, and saw a menu/category called "Sources" but found no way to enter any information there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to stop the deluge of entries in /var/log files?
>>> On Thu, 2010-02-04 joe wrote: >>> Feb 4 04:11:01 crond: root /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh >>> [this is running every minute] I found what was causing this "problem." It is a security utility called "msec" that runs every minute apparently sniffing for "promisc(uity)" and any other unseemly activity on the system. I found that it can be turned off, but apparently it has some benefit in that it sends an email alert to the system administrator if it discovers any malicious activity. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
A great place for used gear in Phx is Surplus Sams on Polk st. and Grand. They do most of their sales on Ebay but they have a retail store at this location: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&q=740+West+Polk+St,+Phoenix&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=740+W+Polk+St,+Phoenix,+Maricopa,+Arizona+85007&gl=us&ei=aE5sS_nrE6OgtgOI1KyBBw&ved=0CAgQ8gEwAA&t=h&z=16 I've bought a laptop and some other hardware there and I was very pleased. They let me install Linux on it before buying it. -jmz On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > On the PLUG website, it would be very helpful to add a category called > "Best sources/prices" where PLUG members could post information about the > best sources and best prices members have found for various > computer-related products and services. > > A few days ago, I was advised (for health reasons (another story) and to > eliminate noise that the modem/router was apparently infusing into my > telephone and my speakers) that I should move it several feet farther away > from my desk. > > So, I went shopping for 25' ethernet cables and I found prices all over > the map. Radio Shack was ridiculously expensive ($39.95/each), and even > Walmart's prices seemed rather high ($20.00 for 20' cat5e). So I searched > the net and found a source where superior 25' cat6 cables were only > $5.25/ea. > > ShowMeCables.com > > I went to the PLUG website, and saw a menu/category called "Sources" but > found no way to enter any information there. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Host recommendations
I host my business site at GoDaddy. I find they do a good job and my business website is always responsive - at least when I go to it. I also have a HostGator reseller account which is where I "park" all my other domains and experiments. The HostGator hosted sites have been a little slow once in a while. I would not do business with 1and1. I had several domains hosted there and did not want them any longer to I let them expire. I received a collections letter shortly there after with additional fees tacked on. Apparently the TOS says you must delete the domain before it expires or you they are due the registration fee. Also they do not provide for more than a year to year registration and the registration occurs on the anniversary. This does not work for me since a domain can be registered for up to 10 years. Keith Smith --- On Thu, 2/4/10, AZ Pete wrote: > From: AZ Pete > Subject: OT: Host recommendations > To: "PLUG Discuss" > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 5:06 PM > Hi All, > > I'm pretty much fed up with my web hosting provider and > would like any > recommendations. > My current host's server performance is very erratic, > sometimes my site > is quite speedy, but several times a day drags unacceptably > slow (1-2 > minutes to serve a page). > > This is simply to host my photo site (which is running > Gallery), so a > shared hosting solution is quite adequate. > While an inexpensive host is preferred, I'm not opposed to > spending a > bit more than the big boys (GoDaddy, 1and1, etc) charge to > gain a better > experience. I would need it to be Linux as Gallery run on > Linux best. > > Does anyone on the list have a good experience with a > shared web hosting > solution? > > Thanks! > Peter > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail > settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
j...@actionline.com wrote: > On the PLUG website, it would be very helpful to add a category called > "Best sources/prices" where PLUG members could post information about the > best sources and best prices members have found for various > computer-related products and services. > > A few days ago, I was advised (for health reasons (another story) and to > eliminate noise that the modem/router was apparently infusing into my > telephone and my speakers) that I should move it several feet farther away > from my desk. > > So, I went shopping for 25' ethernet cables and I found prices all over > the map. Radio Shack was ridiculously expensive ($39.95/each), and even > Walmart's prices seemed rather high ($20.00 for 20' cat5e). So I searched > the net and found a source where superior 25' cat6 cables were only > $5.25/ea. That's not too bad considering a 25' cat6 cable is about $2.80 in materials alone. Cat5e is close to half the price of cat6. I'd be happy to put ends on bulk cables for anyone who would like that done at installfests. Ends are .15 apiece, and I usually have them with me. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
> j...@actionline.com wrote: >> ... cat6 cables were only $5.25/ea. > That's not too bad considering a 25' cat6 cable is about $2.80 in > materials alone. Cat5e is close to half the price of cat6. > > I'd be happy to put ends on bulk cables for anyone who would like that > done at installfests. Ends are .15 apiece, and I usually have them with > me. -Eric 'shubes' Had I only known, I'd have come to you for the cables, Eric! Just another reason why there should be a menu/link on the PLUG website where the best sources and best prices can be posted and kept up to date with the latest/best info. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
j...@actionline.com wrote: >> j...@actionline.com wrote: >>> ... cat6 cables were only $5.25/ea. > >> That's not too bad considering a 25' cat6 cable is about $2.80 in >> materials alone. Cat5e is close to half the price of cat6. >> >> I'd be happy to put ends on bulk cables for anyone who would like that >> done at installfests. Ends are .15 apiece, and I usually have them with >> me. -Eric 'shubes' > > > Had I only known, I'd have come to you for the cables, Eric! > > Just another reason why there should be a menu/link on the PLUG website > where the best sources and best prices can be posted and kept up to date > with the latest/best info. > > > Just to be clear, I don't normally have cable with me. You bring the bulk cable, and I'll put the ends on for you. :) -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to stop the deluge of entries in /var/log files?
Joe last wrote: >> Thanks Craig. >> Re the permissions item, I neglected to say that the reported files and >> directories are already set with the correct permissions, but those >> claims of "wrong permissions" keep on coming anyway. Then Craig wrote: > that defies my understanding of things so I struggle to believe it. > > what is output of say... > ls -l /var/log/lpr In this case, the system is generating that particular log with all -rw--- permissions, so why cron is generating an "error" report to /var/log/lpr saying permissions should be 640 is strange. And Craig also wrote: > You might want to see what is actually in those files... > (/etc/cron.hourly/*, etc.) and potentially edit or remove them as > useful. I suspect the ones that are making you crazy are in the > cron.hourly > > Clearly the 'promisc_check.sh' is in the hourly and that would seem to > be a safety check from your distro and it is reporting to syslog which > actually makes a lot of sense and I would probably just leave it alone > (i.e. keep running the 'promiscuity check' every hour Thanks. That helped me discover what was going on. It just didn't make sense to me that something in /etc/cron.hourly would be generating an action every minute. And I still don't understand why something in /etc/cron.hourly is running every minute rather than once every hour? Do most distros have something like this running every minute and adding tens of thousands of entries to both syslog and messages plus in several other places? Isn't that a sledgehammer swatting a gnat? Why is it necessary to flood the logs with an entry for every minute that an action like this runs? And if the purpose of the routing is just to send an email alert to the system administrator of any malicious attack, why not just have the routing do that and not report every minute, "I've checked again ... I've checked again ... I've checked again ... 1,440 times every day??? Why not have it just do the checking and only tell us if it found something worth reporting? Or at the very least, just post its minute-by-minute report in a separate place (and only one place)? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to clear/reset syslog?
Craig wrote: > as root... > >> /var/log/messages > > which is shorthand for, echo "" > /var/log/messages > > or whichever file you want to empty. > > Done Thanks again. That helps. I did know how to do that, but I just wondered if it was okay to empty those voluminous files from time to time. I've also found out how to put a stop to the voluminous reports. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Host recommendations
I second bluehost.com I have several sites hosted with them including my wife's Business. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:06 PM, AZ Pete wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm pretty much fed up with my web hosting provider and would like any > recommendations. > My current host's server performance is very erratic, sometimes my site > is quite speedy, but several times a day drags unacceptably slow (1-2 > minutes to serve a page). > > This is simply to host my photo site (which is running Gallery), so a > shared hosting solution is quite adequate. > While an inexpensive host is preferred, I'm not opposed to spending a > bit more than the big boys (GoDaddy, 1and1, etc) charge to gain a better > experience. I would need it to be Linux as Gallery run on Linux best. > > Does anyone on the list have a good experience with a shared web hosting > solution? > > Thanks! > Peter > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Best sources & best prices idea/suggestion
I rather like monoprice.com for cables On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > On the PLUG website, it would be very helpful to add a category called > "Best sources/prices" where PLUG members could post information about the > best sources and best prices members have found for various > computer-related products and services. > > A few days ago, I was advised (for health reasons (another story) and to > eliminate noise that the modem/router was apparently infusing into my > telephone and my speakers) that I should move it several feet farther away > from my desk. > > So, I went shopping for 25' ethernet cables and I found prices all over > the map. Radio Shack was ridiculously expensive ($39.95/each), and even > Walmart's prices seemed rather high ($20.00 for 20' cat5e). So I searched > the net and found a source where superior 25' cat6 cables were only > $5.25/ea. > > ShowMeCables.com > > I went to the PLUG website, and saw a menu/category called "Sources" but > found no way to enter any information there. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: chess
http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=989 excerpt "As reported on slashdot the world champion chess program Schredder has been released in a version for Mac and Linux. This is important because it is the first time a major software player in the chess world has released a version of it's chess engine for Linux and the general public. There is a demo version of the linux client available for download." On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > http://www.chess.com > > -jmz > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:35 PM, betty wrote: >> my husband is using ubuntu now :)) >> anyone know a good chess program that has good graphics?? >> thx >> betty i. >> >> -- >> betty i. >> www.webcanine.com >> information for people >> who care for dogs. >> >> >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Best cable prices.
Someone just recommended monoprice.com for cables and I inadvertently deleted the message (sorry for not crediting the person who provided this source) ... but when I checked, sure enough, their prices are even better. Significantly better. So, yet another example of why we need a menu/link on the PLUG website to present this information and allow members to keep updating it. Likewise for web hosting sources. There have been several good suggestions and while one can search the PLUG archives to find such information, why not have a menu/link on the PLUG page specifically for best sources and best prices? Who is the webmaster for the PLUG website? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to stop the deluge of entries in /var/log files?
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:56 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: > Joe last wrote: > >> Thanks Craig. > >> Re the permissions item, I neglected to say that the reported files and > >> directories are already set with the correct permissions, but those > >> claims of "wrong permissions" keep on coming anyway. > > Then Craig wrote: > > that defies my understanding of things so I struggle to believe it. > > > > what is output of say... > > ls -l /var/log/lpr > > In this case, the system is generating that particular log with all > -rw--- permissions, so why cron is generating an "error" > report to /var/log/lpr saying permissions should be 640 is strange. umm... > > And Craig also wrote: > > You might want to see what is actually in those files... > > (/etc/cron.hourly/*, etc.) and potentially edit or remove them as > > useful. I suspect the ones that are making you crazy are in the > > cron.hourly > > > > Clearly the 'promisc_check.sh' is in the hourly and that would seem to > > be a safety check from your distro and it is reporting to syslog which > > actually makes a lot of sense and I would probably just leave it alone > > (i.e. keep running the 'promiscuity check' every hour > > Thanks. That helped me discover what was going on. > It just didn't make sense to me that something in /etc/cron.hourly > would be generating an action every minute. > > And I still don't understand why something in /etc/cron.hourly is running > every minute rather than once every hour? > > Do most distros have something like this running every minute and adding > tens of thousands of entries to both syslog and messages plus in several > other places? Isn't that a sledgehammer swatting a gnat? Why is it > necessary to flood the logs with an entry for every minute that an action > like this runs? I don't recall seeing this in Fedora, RHEL or CentOS but perhaps it is a package that you installed that I never install. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to stop the deluge of entries in /var/log files?
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 11:56 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: > Joe last wrote: > >> Thanks Craig. > >> Re the permissions item, I neglected to say that the reported files and > >> directories are already set with the correct permissions, but those > >> claims of "wrong permissions" keep on coming anyway. > > Then Craig wrote: > > that defies my understanding of things so I struggle to believe it. > > > > what is output of say... > > ls -l /var/log/lpr > > In this case, the system is generating that particular log with all > -rw--- permissions, so why cron is generating an "error" > report to /var/log/lpr saying permissions should be 640 is strange. oops - sent to quickly -rw--- = 0600 _rw_r_ = 0640 Just saying... Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Best cable prices.
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, j...@actionline.com wrote: > Someone just recommended monoprice.com for cables and I inadvertently > information, why not have a menu/link on the PLUG page specifically for > best sources and best prices? > > Who is the webmaster for the PLUG website? the archives contain this answer, over and over google: lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us webmaster of the PLUG site Second cut" is it really somethng that a webmaster needs to do, or would a wiki suffice -- their time is no lsee valuable to them than yours to you, and I dont se an offer to pay for such a service and I think the broader issue is: is this really Linux related [and thus PLUG], or something Google does better -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
