Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
Hmmm, original post and 10 replies. And the only message on topic is the original question to which no one gave a response. Very sad!!! On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE booting
Also known as gpxe it seems. I built it which now builds the files for floppy, usb stick, and CD.iso's (and maybe others) in one pass. The floppy one would not make a usable floppy, but the .iso made a working CD. I've only tried it in one machine but it worked nicely. Due to another issue with the PXE server itself, I won't pursue ths further at this time. I will start another thread on that issue. Thanks for your help. I will be using this in the future. Larry On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Paul Mooring drpppr...@gmail.com wrote: I've used this: http://etherboot.org/wiki/index.php as a work around in the past to use a bootable CD or usb drive, to integrate with my pxe boot environments, it doesn't really add pxe boot because the system boots off of some other type of media, but it at least lets you use the hardware you have. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are some other protocols, but im hazy on it. as for adding it find a nic that supports pxe boot. (i think) On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: I've built my second PXE boot server and wanted to test the various boots. So far I have found only two of my machines that support PXE booting and I do not wish to disturb them. I've tested 7 other machines that seem to have no such ability. One of them shows in BIOS that you can include the LAN as a boot device but it does not seem to use the PXE boot of the PXE server that is giving it its IP address with DHCP. Since that works for another machine plugged into the same switch, I conclude that it expects some other protocol for booting from the net. 1) Does anyone know a way to ADD the ability to a machine to PXE boot from the LAN (e.g. adding some ethernet card)? 2) Are there network boot protocols other than PXE? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, original post and 10 replies. And the only message on topic is the original question to which no one gave a response. Very sad!!! I think this is all on topic: having Google as an ISP in the Valley would give them the same access to our data as Cox currently has (in my case.) On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
PXE vs PXE
Turns out the two PXE servers I built do totally different things and really should be called PXE based Install Servers AND I can imagine a third which might more properly be described as a PXE Boot Server. BTW, for those who do not know, PXE stands for Pre-eXecution Environment and really does let you boot a machine from the network. Anyway, here are the three types I mentioned: 1. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro I built a server that does PXE boots from files stored entirely on the PXE server. Those files came from .iso files that had been previously mounted and the necessary material extracted when the server is set up. The .iso files need not be kept since they are not used during a PXE boot. The booting is generally into a Live environment with the option of installing. 2. from http://www.howtoforge.com/install-multiple-linux-distributions-via-pxe-the-easy-wayI built a PXE server that does PXE boots using only a few files resident on the PXE server and retrieves most of the material from the internet EVERY TIME a client uses the PXE based boot. These all seem to boot directly to an installer (no live environment). 3. I have not seen any article for this but I can imagine PXE booting being used simply to boot a system where the OS and Application files only live on the PXE server. Configuration and user files could live locally or on the server. I suspect PXE is never used this way but do not know. BTW, the server I built for #2 only works for some of the distributions it purports to. Both the Fedora and CentOS installs fail because the install procedures ask for information that the client doing the booting cannot provide. Ubuntu Karmic and Mandriva seem to work fine. The single entry for Karmic appears able to install all the core distributions (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, etc). The Mandriva install lets you choose KDE, GNOME, or CUSTOM (whatever that means). It seems to me that method 1 is superior for speed and bandwidth considerations. Method 2 seems better for the ability to install variations of configuration or distro builds. I suspect it would be possible to do both in a single PXE server though it would be more work. What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Opinions? And is anyone interested in this? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
What I mean is that all the responses are about privacy and mistrust of the vendor rather than the experiment relating to higher speed access technology and that we could be a factor in getting Phoenix to be chosen as one of the experiment sites which seems the purpose of the original message. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, original post and 10 replies. And the only message on topic is the original question to which no one gave a response. Very sad!!! I think this is all on topic: having Google as an ISP in the Valley would give them the same access to our data as Cox currently has (in my case.) On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.comwrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank francis.e...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 1:01 AM On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- Censorship, loss of privacy, same side of the coin. My original point was that Google is the biggest search engine. It has been reported that they know all our Internet habits. If they get into connectivity and they get a large market share they can selectively censor you. If you are for gay rights and they are not they can simply add a few points to your ranking to move you to page 3, 4, 5 instead of a natural page 1 ranking. They can impact elections. They can hide things that we need to know about while highlighting things that are not of importance. They would have the power to put you out of business if you rely on the Internet for your leads. This becomes more of an issue with newspapers going bankrupt, and the Yellow Book going out of style, while people are turning more to the Internet for their information. I'm not saying this is happening, however the potential is there. Our founding Fathers gave us the Bill-of-Rights for a reason. They lived through oppression and did not want it to happen in the Several States that is now the USA. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
I would submit the relies are the answer to the original post. A debate about whether we would want it in the first place. --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 2:51 AM What I mean is that all the responses are about privacy and mistrust of the vendor rather than the experiment relating to higher speed access technology and that we could be a factor in getting Phoenix to be chosen as one of the experiment sites which seems the purpose of the original message. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm, original post and 10 replies. And the only message on topic is the original question to which no one gave a response. Very sad!!! I think this is all on topic: having Google as an ISP in the Valley would give them the same access to our data as Cox currently has (in my case.) On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
I am finding out my Saturday was pre-scheduled so if i go i have until about noon. but that gives me no Saturday at all. if you really need the help let me know and ill see about going. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: I like it too. Though I wish we had thought of this earlier in the week. I had intended to make a form tomorrow afternoon which was part data collection from the applicants to provide us with some information and part as a checklist for the volunteers for the actual install. I will put some thought into amending it as you guys suggested. With less than 36 hours before we start, I can't see preparing a presentation / class but I can see making some notes to drive an ad hoc one. I also don't know what our constraints might be without talking to Yvvone who asked us to do this. I am sure she is open to suggestion but we are still limited by room schedules and how many people are willing to hang around for a class/demo at the end of the session. Here is my proposal for this one: give people (applicants) a handout and a form when they come in applicants need to set up their system, read the handout and fill out what they can of the form While they are doing that, we circulate among the folks and help them. Perhaps one of us might give an intro and answer questions while the others circulate, but since people will probably not all be there for the start that might not work well. We start doing the installs when we have adequate information for each one and answer user questions as we go and move on when neither the system nor the applicant needs us. We leave the form with the system to help the same or another volunteer pick up the install when needed. (I am not confident about this part). IF there is time and IF people are willing to stay, one of us can do an ad hoc class/lab about getting started. Alternatively we could offer to hold a separate class specifically for that purpose on some other day. I could do that one. Yvvone will have to schedule it. I would not be comfortable trying to talk the group through doing their own installs because I know from the interviews we did at the Mesa Regal Expo that some installs will be problematical and many of the applicants would not be willing to attempt it. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: I like this idea. A better learning environment. Stephen wrote: This i think might be a good idea... create a small form for them to fill out for username computer name all the non-secure stuff, so we can give them an idea of what they might want to think about and then with them all up and running make it a class/install-fest even with them installing it themselves and having 3-5 people moving about helping with issues. and in the future this will let them reinstall or pass on to others. even set up the form to record information they might need in the future... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Should we try to do a little presentation after the installs are (mostly) done that people can follow along on their new systems? Dazed_75 wrote: -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
Censorship, loss of privacy, same side of the coin. My original point was that Google is the biggest search engine. It has been reported that they know all our Internet habits. If they get into connectivity and they get a large market share they can selectively censor you. If you are for gay rights and they are not they can simply add a few points to your ranking to move you to page 3, 4, 5 instead of a natural page 1 ranking. They can impact elections. They can hide things that we need to know about while highlighting things that are not of importance. They would have the power to put you out of business if you rely on the Internet for your leads. This becomes more of an issue with newspapers going bankrupt, and the Yellow Book going out of style, while people are turning more to the Internet for their information. I'm not saying this is happening, however the potential is there. Our founding Fathers gave us the Bill-of-Rights for a reason. They lived through oppression and did not want it to happen in the Several States that is now the USA. I'm not sure I understand how privacy and censorship can be said to be similar? Censorship is detrimental to knowledge and expression, privacy can actually be used to protect. So far, with the current unwillingness to conform to Australia's censorship, and the similar statements regarding China currently, Google has been very good about not doing what you're saying they can. They have only conformed in China because their government was going to disallow them from doing business there entirely. Google seems to be more about business than ethics, which is a shame, but I think they realize the power they have now also and are trying to do good with it. This will get really dangerous though if Google ever changes leadership. Privacy is very different to censorship. Americans seem fine with giving away their privacy in a lot of situations if it means greater protection. Ultimately, we can still maintain privacy simply by not connecting something to the internet that we want private, Google can only access data we feed it - although entirely too many people are ignorant to this. It is more like having a conversation with someone that has a very good memory rather than impeding on your rights. Lets also not forget, civilians do not own the servers we access the internet through so it really is a lot like security cameras - Google just doesn't employ people simply to watch the data flowing in. They have a right to know what is going on on their property, and you have the right to choose what you do on it. We just don't seem ok about all that information being gathered in one source, but as I already stated, that simply makes it less feasible to actually keep track of it all! I am personally much more worried about submitting information to smaller companies that I am quite sure can indeed evaluate everything they encounter. We need to be exceeding careful going forward, pay close attention to what exactly they might do with our data, but currently (from a perspective of someone for better technology rather than open source for open sources sake) I think Google is still obeying its Don't be evil mantra. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RHCE test dates?
No, actually they occur here at most once a year, or did last I checked. On 2/9/10, Charles Jones charles.jo...@ciscolearning.org wrote: I thought the RHCE exams were given monthly. I just checked the RedHat site ( https://www.redhat.com/training/offices.html#phoenix ) and it seems to indicate that the next available RHCE exam date is not until May 14th...the spacing on that seems pretty far? I did notice that the testing dates for just the RHCT seem to be monthly. Note that I checked both locations: Arizona Facility Interface Technical Training 3110 N. Central Avenue, and JBoss Facility ExitCertified Phoenix 101 N. 1st Ave. -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
Really if you want internet privacy there are ways to go about it. however that process is eventually going to gain some level of notice over time. i read about them to stay current on the tech, but personally i have no need for that level of security. I really don't care if the government knows i play Games and watch porn and occasionally download videos and whatnot. or my ISP for that matter. i ready Googles' policy and am ok with that. again i9 discuss nothing of such import via the internet that i don't want them to know it. if its that important ill go meet someone. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
This has been a standard technique in Unix [BSD, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX] for diskless servers since the early days (pre-Linus). In linux PXE booting from servers is best supported via LTSP project: http://www.ltsp.org/ http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1639.html It is very fun, especially with older hardware and nice fast networking. Additional fiber channel RAID for shared disk I/O on a switched backplane makes these systems nice and swift. On 2/12/10, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Turns out the two PXE servers I built do totally different things and really should be called PXE based Install Servers AND I can imagine a third which might more properly be described as a PXE Boot Server. BTW, for those who do not know, PXE stands for Pre-eXecution Environment and really does let you boot a machine from the network. Anyway, here are the three types I mentioned: 1. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro I built a server that does PXE boots from files stored entirely on the PXE server. Those files came from .iso files that had been previously mounted and the necessary material extracted when the server is set up. The .iso files need not be kept since they are not used during a PXE boot. The booting is generally into a Live environment with the option of installing. 2. from http://www.howtoforge.com/install-multiple-linux-distributions-via-pxe-the-easy-wayI built a PXE server that does PXE boots using only a few files resident on the PXE server and retrieves most of the material from the internet EVERY TIME a client uses the PXE based boot. These all seem to boot directly to an installer (no live environment). 3. I have not seen any article for this but I can imagine PXE booting being used simply to boot a system where the OS and Application files only live on the PXE server. Configuration and user files could live locally or on the server. I suspect PXE is never used this way but do not know. BTW, the server I built for #2 only works for some of the distributions it purports to. Both the Fedora and CentOS installs fail because the install procedures ask for information that the client doing the booting cannot provide. Ubuntu Karmic and Mandriva seem to work fine. The single entry for Karmic appears able to install all the core distributions (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, etc). The Mandriva install lets you choose KDE, GNOME, or CUSTOM (whatever that means). It seems to me that method 1 is superior for speed and bandwidth considerations. Method 2 seems better for the ability to install variations of configuration or distro builds. I suspect it would be possible to do both in a single PXE server though it would be more work. What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Opinions? And is anyone interested in this? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
Another setup I think works pretty well is thinstation http://www.thinstation.org/ It's used to boot into a really minimal version of linux that connects directly to a remote server through rdp, vnc. ssh, ect On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This has been a standard technique in Unix [BSD, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX] for diskless servers since the early days (pre-Linus). In linux PXE booting from servers is best supported via LTSP project: http://www.ltsp.org/ http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1639.html It is very fun, especially with older hardware and nice fast networking. Additional fiber channel RAID for shared disk I/O on a switched backplane makes these systems nice and swift. On 2/12/10, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Turns out the two PXE servers I built do totally different things and really should be called PXE based Install Servers AND I can imagine a third which might more properly be described as a PXE Boot Server. BTW, for those who do not know, PXE stands for Pre-eXecution Environment and really does let you boot a machine from the network. Anyway, here are the three types I mentioned: 1. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro I built a server that does PXE boots from files stored entirely on the PXE server. Those files came from .iso files that had been previously mounted and the necessary material extracted when the server is set up. The .iso files need not be kept since they are not used during a PXE boot. The booting is generally into a Live environment with the option of installing. 2. from http://www.howtoforge.com/install-multiple-linux-distributions-via-pxe-the-easy-wayI built a PXE server that does PXE boots using only a few files resident on the PXE server and retrieves most of the material from the internet EVERY TIME a client uses the PXE based boot. These all seem to boot directly to an installer (no live environment). 3. I have not seen any article for this but I can imagine PXE booting being used simply to boot a system where the OS and Application files only live on the PXE server. Configuration and user files could live locally or on the server. I suspect PXE is never used this way but do not know. BTW, the server I built for #2 only works for some of the distributions it purports to. Both the Fedora and CentOS installs fail because the install procedures ask for information that the client doing the booting cannot provide. Ubuntu Karmic and Mandriva seem to work fine. The single entry for Karmic appears able to install all the core distributions (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, etc). The Mandriva install lets you choose KDE, GNOME, or CUSTOM (whatever that means). It seems to me that method 1 is superior for speed and bandwidth considerations. Method 2 seems better for the ability to install variations of configuration or distro builds. I suspect it would be possible to do both in a single PXE server though it would be more work. What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Opinions? And is anyone interested in this? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
This might be interestingly relevant as well: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_BootingFromLocalDevice its a branch from LTSP however for old machines that don't have PXE functions. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Paul Mooring drpppr...@gmail.com wrote: Another setup I think works pretty well is thinstation http://www.thinstation.org/ It's used to boot into a really minimal version of linux that connects directly to a remote server through rdp, vnc. ssh, ect On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: This has been a standard technique in Unix [BSD, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX] for diskless servers since the early days (pre-Linus). In linux PXE booting from servers is best supported via LTSP project: http://www.ltsp.org/ http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1639.html It is very fun, especially with older hardware and nice fast networking. Additional fiber channel RAID for shared disk I/O on a switched backplane makes these systems nice and swift. On 2/12/10, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Turns out the two PXE servers I built do totally different things and really should be called PXE based Install Servers AND I can imagine a third which might more properly be described as a PXE Boot Server. BTW, for those who do not know, PXE stands for Pre-eXecution Environment and really does let you boot a machine from the network. Anyway, here are the three types I mentioned: 1. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro I built a server that does PXE boots from files stored entirely on the PXE server. Those files came from .iso files that had been previously mounted and the necessary material extracted when the server is set up. The .iso files need not be kept since they are not used during a PXE boot. The booting is generally into a Live environment with the option of installing. 2. from http://www.howtoforge.com/install-multiple-linux-distributions-via-pxe-the-easy-wayI built a PXE server that does PXE boots using only a few files resident on the PXE server and retrieves most of the material from the internet EVERY TIME a client uses the PXE based boot. These all seem to boot directly to an installer (no live environment). 3. I have not seen any article for this but I can imagine PXE booting being used simply to boot a system where the OS and Application files only live on the PXE server. Configuration and user files could live locally or on the server. I suspect PXE is never used this way but do not know. BTW, the server I built for #2 only works for some of the distributions it purports to. Both the Fedora and CentOS installs fail because the install procedures ask for information that the client doing the booting cannot provide. Ubuntu Karmic and Mandriva seem to work fine. The single entry for Karmic appears able to install all the core distributions (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, etc). The Mandriva install lets you choose KDE, GNOME, or CUSTOM (whatever that means). It seems to me that method 1 is superior for speed and bandwidth considerations. Method 2 seems better for the ability to install variations of configuration or distro builds. I suspect it would be possible to do both in a single PXE server though it would be more work. What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Opinions? And is anyone interested in this? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
Sounds good to me. Hopefully we can wrap half or better of the installs with enough time left to do the ad hoc getting started presentation. That could be challenging, but we might pull it off if we keep the objective in mind. You'll have a disk for each participant, right? Dazed_75 wrote: I like it too. Though I wish we had thought of this earlier in the week. I had intended to make a form tomorrow afternoon which was part data collection from the applicants to provide us with some information and part as a checklist for the volunteers for the actual install. I will put some thought into amending it as you guys suggested. With less than 36 hours before we start, I can't see preparing a presentation / class but I can see making some notes to drive an ad hoc one. I also don't know what our constraints might be without talking to Yvvone who asked us to do this. I am sure she is open to suggestion but we are still limited by room schedules and how many people are willing to hang around for a class/demo at the end of the session. Here is my proposal for this one: * give people (applicants) a handout and a form when they come in * applicants need to set up their system, read the handout and fill out what they can of the form * While they are doing that, we circulate among the folks and help them. Perhaps one of us might give an intro and answer questions while the others circulate, but since people will probably not all be there for the start that might not work well. * We start doing the installs when we have adequate information for each one and answer user questions as we go and move on when neither the system nor the applicant needs us. We leave the form with the system to help the same or another volunteer pick up the install when needed. (I am not confident about this part). * IF there is time and IF people are willing to stay, one of us can do an ad hoc class/lab about getting started. Alternatively we could offer to hold a separate class specifically for that purpose on some other day. I could do that one. Yvvone will have to schedule it. I would not be comfortable trying to talk the group through doing their own installs because I know from the interviews we did at the Mesa Regal Expo that some installs will be problematical and many of the applicants would not be willing to attempt it. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: I like this idea. A better learning environment. Stephen wrote: This i think might be a good idea... create a small form for them to fill out for username computer name all the non-secure stuff, so we can give them an idea of what they might want to think about and then with them all up and running make it a class/install-fest even with them installing it themselves and having 3-5 people moving about helping with issues. and in the future this will let them reinstall or pass on to others. even set up the form to record information they might need in the future... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: Should we try to do a little presentation after the installs are (mostly) done that people can follow along on their new systems? Dazed_75 wrote: -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux BOX
but is it a 54g?? On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I saw the settings to do so in the DDWRT router we have here at work. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: do you think the wrt54g version 8 will act as a bridge? On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com wrote: mike havens wrote: Is there a way to use a wireless router as a wireless card? It depends on the router. Some have a 'bridge' mode that will allow you to use them to connect to another access point. If your router doesn't support bridging and you are feeling brave and adventurous, and your router is supported, you could try flashing it with something like dd-wrt (http://www.dd-wrt.com/), which will make you route do a LOT more than it could from the factory, including bridging. Unfortuately, if you, mess up the flash, you could have a nice wireless brick on your hands. If it does work, it's well worth it though. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux BOX
yes ASUS model WL-500gP On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: but is it a 54g?? On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I saw the settings to do so in the DDWRT router we have here at work. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: do you think the wrt54g version 8 will act as a bridge? On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com wrote: mike havens wrote: Is there a way to use a wireless router as a wireless card? It depends on the router. Some have a 'bridge' mode that will allow you to use them to connect to another access point. If your router doesn't support bridging and you are feeling brave and adventurous, and your router is supported, you could try flashing it with something like dd-wrt (http://www.dd-wrt.com/), which will make you route do a LOT more than it could from the factory, including bridging. Unfortuately, if you, mess up the flash, you could have a nice wireless brick on your hands. If it does work, it's well worth it though. Brian Cluff --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
Great references. Thanks Lisa! I may not live long enough to read all that they refer to though. :) I should have realized that my number 3 was basically the thin client idea. I just never looked into that side to see it was (or coould be) based on PXE. I still wonder about building a PXE server that could do all three. Granted you might never want to do that in a production environment, but I think it might be very interesting for a lab or installfest type project. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: This has been a standard technique in Unix [BSD, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX] for diskless servers since the early days (pre-Linus). In linux PXE booting from servers is best supported via LTSP project: http://www.ltsp.org/ http://www.kegel.com/linux/pxe.html http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/1639.html It is very fun, especially with older hardware and nice fast networking. Additional fiber channel RAID for shared disk I/O on a switched backplane makes these systems nice and swift. On 2/12/10, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Turns out the two PXE servers I built do totally different things and really should be called PXE based Install Servers AND I can imagine a third which might more properly be described as a PXE Boot Server. BTW, for those who do not know, PXE stands for Pre-eXecution Environment and really does let you boot a machine from the network. Anyway, here are the three types I mentioned: 1. from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallMultiDistro I built a server that does PXE boots from files stored entirely on the PXE server. Those files came from .iso files that had been previously mounted and the necessary material extracted when the server is set up. The .iso files need not be kept since they are not used during a PXE boot. The booting is generally into a Live environment with the option of installing. 2. from http://www.howtoforge.com/install-multiple-linux-distributions-via-pxe-the-easy-wayI built a PXE server that does PXE boots using only a few files resident on the PXE server and retrieves most of the material from the internet EVERY TIME a client uses the PXE based boot. These all seem to boot directly to an installer (no live environment). 3. I have not seen any article for this but I can imagine PXE booting being used simply to boot a system where the OS and Application files only live on the PXE server. Configuration and user files could live locally or on the server. I suspect PXE is never used this way but do not know. BTW, the server I built for #2 only works for some of the distributions it purports to. Both the Fedora and CentOS installs fail because the install procedures ask for information that the client doing the booting cannot provide. Ubuntu Karmic and Mandriva seem to work fine. The single entry for Karmic appears able to install all the core distributions (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, etc). The Mandriva install lets you choose KDE, GNOME, or CUSTOM (whatever that means). It seems to me that method 1 is superior for speed and bandwidth considerations. Method 2 seems better for the ability to install variations of configuration or distro builds. I suspect it would be possible to do both in a single PXE server though it would be more work. What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Opinions? And is anyone interested in this? -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
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I have previously responded to each previous suggestion and request for info
to try to find a solution to the subject problem, and I will continue to
do so. There have been three subsequent replies to this issue and I will
now reply to each one separately, in order.
First, kitepilot last suggested the following, with replies below:
(1) grep joe /etc/passwd -- and post the line
(2) find /var/log -type f -exec grep -H joe {} \; -- and post the output
(3) Look at line:
Feb 10 18:18:16 localhost su: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure;
logname= uid=500 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=joe rhost= user=root
(4) From console in 73
ssh -v localhost (on 73) -- and post the reply
(5) Then from the other machine do:
ssh -v 73 (on 73) -- and post that too
(1) $ fgrep joe passwd -- result:
joe:x:500:500:Joe:/home/joe:/bin/bash
(2) $ find /var/log -type f -exec grep -H joe {} \;
Due to the length of the result of this command, I have uploaded that result
at the following link: http://www.upquick.com/linux/temp/var.log.joe
(3) Look at line:
Feb 10 18:18:16 localhost su: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure;
logname= uid=500 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=joe rhost= user=root
I have looked at that line, but I don't know what to do about it.
(4) From console in 73
ssh -v localhost (on 73) -- and post the reply -- the result is below:
OpenSSH_5.3p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8l 5 Nov 2009
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.3
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.3 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server-client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client-server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(102410248192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'localhost' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/joe/.ssh/known_hosts:4
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/identity
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive
debug1: Authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: password
j...@localhost's password:
(5) Then from the other machine do:
ssh -v 73 -- and post that too
Since I did the first 'ssh -v' on computer #73, by the other machine
I assumed you meant to do the suggested command on machine #68. Here was
the result:
$ ssh -v 73
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `73'
Sorry if I did not follow your last instruction correctly, kitepilot.
Responses to the other two suggestions/requests will follow shortly.
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Re: PXE vs PXE
Dazed_75 wrote: What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Nice comments, everyone. Regarding this specifically, you know about mounting an iso image, right? (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html) -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
OK, this is what we know:
joe:x:500:500:Joe:/home/joe:/bin/bash
You can log in with a valid shell.
ssh -v localhost (on 73)
It doesn't say in your message that .73 accepted the password, but:
a.- If you could not complete the login because it refused the password,
then you have a problem local to .73
b.- If you logged in successfully, then your problem is most likely outside
the .73 machine, unless you are running xinetd (ps aux|grep inetd)
Now I apologize, because:
ssh -v 73 -- and post that too
Actually meant:
ssh -v place here the full IP address of .73 -- and post that too
:)
I still don't know what the problem is.
But I know what it is not... :)
If you grant me access to .73 I'll help you debug it over the phone, this
could be a long array of issues, and maybe more than 1.
ET
j...@actionline.com writes:
.
I have previously responded to each previous suggestion and request for info
to try to find a solution to the subject problem, and I will continue to
do so. There have been three subsequent replies to this issue and I will
now reply to each one separately, in order.
First, kitepilot last suggested the following, with replies below:
(1) grep joe /etc/passwd -- and post the line
(2) find /var/log -type f -exec grep -H joe {} \; -- and post the output
(3) Look at line:
Feb 10 18:18:16 localhost su: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure;
logname= uid=500 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=joe rhost= user=root
(4) From console in 73
ssh -v localhost (on 73) -- and post the reply
(5) Then from the other machine do:
ssh -v 73 (on 73) -- and post that too
(1) $ fgrep joe passwd -- result:
joe:x:500:500:Joe:/home/joe:/bin/bash
(2) $ find /var/log -type f -exec grep -H joe {} \;
Due to the length of the result of this command, I have uploaded that result
at the following link: http://www.upquick.com/linux/temp/var.log.joe
(3) Look at line:
Feb 10 18:18:16 localhost su: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure;
logname= uid=500 euid=0 tty=pts/1 ruser=joe rhost= user=root
I have looked at that line, but I don't know what to do about it.
(4) From console in 73
ssh -v localhost (on 73) -- and post the reply -- the result is below:
OpenSSH_5.3p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8l 5 Nov 2009
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/joe/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.3
debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.3 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server-client aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: kex: client-server aes128-ctr hmac-md5 none
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(102410248192) sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
debug1: Host 'localhost' is known and matches the RSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /home/joe/.ssh/known_hosts:4
debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/identity
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Trying private key: /home/joe/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive
debug1: Authentications that can continue:
publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
debug1: Next authentication method: password
j...@localhost's password:
(5) Then from the other machine do:
ssh -v 73 -- and post that too
Since I did the first 'ssh -v' on computer #73, by the other machine
I assumed you meant to do the suggested command on machine #68. Here was
the result:
$ ssh -v 73
bash: syntax error near unexpected token `73'
Sorry if I did not follow your last instruction correctly, kitepilot.
Responses to the other two suggestions/requests will follow shortly.
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Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
. craig last wrote: echo - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - \ /var/log/secure echo - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - \ /var/log/messages then try to login, then look at the logs - after the marks you just made. Here's the result: For secure: - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24469]: pam_unix(crond:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24469]: pam_unix(crond:session): session closed for user root Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24552]: pam_unix(crond:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24552]: pam_unix(crond:session): session closed for user root For messages: - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24470]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh) Feb 12 10:24:43 localhost sshd[24518]: Failed password for joe from 192.168.0.68 port 34485 ssh2 Feb 12 10:24:46 localhost last message repeated 2 times Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24553]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 10:34 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: . craig last wrote: echo - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - \ /var/log/secure echo - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - \ /var/log/messages then try to login, then look at the logs - after the marks you just made. Here's the result: For secure: - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24469]: pam_unix(crond:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24469]: pam_unix(crond:session): session closed for user root Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24552]: pam_unix(crond:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24552]: pam_unix(crond:session): session closed for user root For messages: - \n Marking my place in the logs \n - Feb 12 10:24:01 localhost crond[24470]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh) Feb 12 10:24:43 localhost sshd[24518]: Failed password for joe from 192.168.0.68 port 34485 ssh2 Feb 12 10:24:46 localhost last message repeated 2 times Feb 12 10:25:01 localhost crond[24553]: (root) CMD ( /usr/share/msec/promisc_check.sh) Failed password for joe from 192.168.0.68 seems pretty clear to me Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
. Kitepilot last wrote (in part): If you grant me access to .73 I'll help you debug it over the phone, this could be a long array of issues, and maybe more than 1. Thank you very much. I'll be happy to do that. Please feel free to call me at 480-325-5055. Meanwhile, I will continue to prepare replies to each of the other suggestions/requests I've received. Joe --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
Failed password for joe from 192.168.0.68 seems pretty clear to me We have known all along that there is a failed password, but I don't know how to fix that. Both the user and root passwords work to log in to this computer, but the same passwords do not work to log in remotely. I have tried changing the passwords, but the system will not allow me to do so. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 10:45 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: Failed password for joe from 192.168.0.68 seems pretty clear to me We have known all along that there is a failed password, but I don't know how to fix that. Both the user and root passwords work to log in to this computer, but the same passwords do not work to log in remotely. I have tried changing the passwords, but the system will not allow me to do so. because 'user' has to satisfy 'rules' for passwords but root does not. if you... sudo 'su -' and then type passwd joe you can enter anything you want for a password and not have to satisfy rules. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another?
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Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another? SOLVED
. I have tried changing the passwords, but the system will not allow me to do so. because 'user' has to satisfy 'rules' for passwords but root does not. if you... sudo 'su -' and then type passwd joe you can enter anything you want for a password and not have to satisfy rules. That has apparently solved the problem. I'll do further checking to be sure and will report back. Thank you. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: 'ssh' and 'scp' ... such a simple fix.
. Thanks to everyone who contributed suggestions. As is so often the case, the solution was so very, very simple. In retrospect, the long interchange of messages on this subject issue (which actually began way back in October 2009 with the subject scp times out) and recently continued over two full days with some 30 messages on this subject in total ... now appears to have all been totally unnecessary. The solution was so simple. Just 'su' to root and change the password. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: 'ssh' and 'scp' ... such a simple fix.
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 11:55 -0700, j...@actionline.com wrote: . Thanks to everyone who contributed suggestions. As is so often the case, the solution was so very, very simple. In retrospect, the long interchange of messages on this subject issue (which actually began way back in October 2009 with the subject scp times out) and recently continued over two full days with some 30 messages on this subject in total ... now appears to have all been totally unnecessary. The solution was so simple. Just 'su' to root and change the password. or use a 'better' password that actually passes pam_cracklib Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Dazed_75 wrote: What I would like to see for method #1 is that the .iso files were retained for use in burning discs either on the PXE server or a client on the net (not a PXE function) AND might be mounted by the PXE server function rather than having to extract files when building the server. Since all three uses only require reading the .iso's I would think they could be shared. Nice comments, everyone. Regarding this specifically, you know about mounting an iso image, right? (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html) -- -Eric 'shubes' Yes, as I stated in method #1, I had to do that to copy files to where that article wanted me to put them. I have no idea (because I have not looked yet) what I would have to change to just mount them for use by the PXE server. And since there could be many such .iso's to mount are there any limits on the number of mounts, or mounted files, or One might need to mount on demand to reduce some resource usage. There is so much to learn I could almost wish I was 20 again. --- Nah, bad idea! -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
Stephen, I really need you. Please come for as long as you are able. Eric, I will have a CD for everyone who wants one though most will never use it again. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Sounds good to me. Hopefully we can wrap half or better of the installs with enough time left to do the ad hoc getting started presentation. That could be challenging, but we might pull it off if we keep the objective in mind. You'll have a disk for each participant, right? Dazed_75 wrote: I like it too. Though I wish we had thought of this earlier in the week. I had intended to make a form tomorrow afternoon which was part data collection from the applicants to provide us with some information and part as a checklist for the volunteers for the actual install. I will put some thought into amending it as you guys suggested. With less than 36 hours before we start, I can't see preparing a presentation / class but I can see making some notes to drive an ad hoc one. I also don't know what our constraints might be without talking to Yvvone who asked us to do this. I am sure she is open to suggestion but we are still limited by room schedules and how many people are willing to hang around for a class/demo at the end of the session. Here is my proposal for this one: * give people (applicants) a handout and a form when they come in * applicants need to set up their system, read the handout and fill out what they can of the form * While they are doing that, we circulate among the folks and help them. Perhaps one of us might give an intro and answer questions while the others circulate, but since people will probably not all be there for the start that might not work well. * We start doing the installs when we have adequate information for each one and answer user questions as we go and move on when neither the system nor the applicant needs us. We leave the form with the system to help the same or another volunteer pick up the install when needed. (I am not confident about this part). * IF there is time and IF people are willing to stay, one of us can do an ad hoc class/lab about getting started. Alternatively we could offer to hold a separate class specifically for that purpose on some other day. I could do that one. Yvvone will have to schedule it. I would not be comfortable trying to talk the group through doing their own installs because I know from the interviews we did at the Mesa Regal Expo that some installs will be problematical and many of the applicants would not be willing to attempt it. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: I like this idea. A better learning environment. Stephen wrote: This i think might be a good idea... create a small form for them to fill out for username computer name all the non-secure stuff, so we can give them an idea of what they might want to think about and then with them all up and running make it a class/install-fest even with them installing it themselves and having 3-5 people moving about helping with issues. and in the future this will let them reinstall or pass on to others. even set up the form to record information they might need in the future... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: Should we try to do a little presentation after the installs are (mostly) done that people can follow along on their new systems? Dazed_75 wrote: -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
Right. I just want to avoid being in a position of waiting for a disk. ;) Dazed_75 wrote: Stephen, I really need you. Please come for as long as you are able. Eric, I will have a CD for everyone who wants one though most will never use it again. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
Has anyone heard back from those Ubuntu AriZona Loco folks? I sent them a copy of [a reply to] an early part of this thread (see: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/message/20100208.191150.1e2ad3bf.en.html ) They might be able to help, -- EVEN if, it is (maybe) in some capacity other than showing up in person. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen, I really need you. Please come for as long as you are able. Eric, I will have a CD for everyone who wants one though most will never use it again. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Sounds good to me. Hopefully we can wrap half or better of the installs with enough time left to do the ad hoc getting started presentation. That could be challenging, but we might pull it off if we keep the objective in mind. You'll have a disk for each participant, right? Dazed_75 wrote: I like it too. Though I wish we had thought of this earlier in the week. I had intended to make a form tomorrow afternoon which was part data collection from the applicants to provide us with some information and part as a checklist for the volunteers for the actual install. I will put some thought into amending it as you guys suggested. With less than 36 hours before we start, I can't see preparing a presentation / class but I can see making some notes to drive an ad hoc one. I also don't know what our constraints might be without talking to Yvvone who asked us to do this. I am sure she is open to suggestion but we are still limited by room schedules and how many people are willing to hang around for a class/demo at the end of the session. Here is my proposal for this one: * give people (applicants) a handout and a form when they come in * applicants need to set up their system, read the handout and fill out what they can of the form * While they are doing that, we circulate among the folks and help them. Perhaps one of us might give an intro and answer questions while the others circulate, but since people will probably not all be there for the start that might not work well. * We start doing the installs when we have adequate information for each one and answer user questions as we go and move on when neither the system nor the applicant needs us. We leave the form with the system to help the same or another volunteer pick up the install when needed. (I am not confident about this part). * IF there is time and IF people are willing to stay, one of us can do an ad hoc class/lab about getting started. Alternatively we could offer to hold a separate class specifically for that purpose on some other day. I could do that one. Yvvone will have to schedule it. I would not be comfortable trying to talk the group through doing their own installs because I know from the interviews we did at the Mesa Regal Expo that some installs will be problematical and many of the applicants would not be willing to attempt it. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: I like this idea. A better learning environment. Stephen wrote: This i think might be a good idea... create a small form for them to fill out for username computer name all the non-secure stuff, so we can give them an idea of what they might want to think about and then with them all up and running make it a class/install-fest even with them installing it themselves and having 3-5 people moving about helping with issues. and in the future this will let them reinstall or pass on to others. even set up the form to record information they might need in the future... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: Should we try to do a little presentation after the installs are (mostly) done that people can follow along on their new systems? Dazed_75 wrote: [...] -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry [...] [...] -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry [...] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX?
They could also raise and finance an army to invade your home directly. I'm not worried about that either and this thread is now going on auto-delete. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:41 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frank francis.e...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Who Wants High Speed Fiber Connections in PHX? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 1:01 AM On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Frank francis.e...@gmail.com wrote: It really isn't any different to ISP's knowledge of our online activities now... I think its actually better since Google is fully upfront about their access to our online activities! Privacy is important, but on the internet, we've never had it... I don't really understand the uproar directed at Google, if anything, its better that so much is stored in one place... the more there is, the harder it is to track unless they have good reason. If you're doing nothing illegal on the internet, I don't see why people worry? If it were financially feasible to do so, it sounds like you would have no problem with a having a police officer follow you and watch you 24/7. After all, you would not do anything illegal, right? We already have cameras on us almost anywhere we go, FBI also can tap your phone for a wide variety of reasons. Your television habits are tracked too, else how do they get ratings? I don't see people stopping their use of phones and TV, or not going on freeways or to public places due to privacy? Internet privacy is very similar in many ways to both of these, unless we're doing something wrong, we know they're not singling us out. Your statement even points this out, it simply isn't feasible to track and monitor everything each person does online, there is simply too much data! With it all going to one source, it makes this even less feasible. AdSense and friends use your data in certain algorithms, but there isn't an actual person taking time out of their day to see what news articles you read today or what you downloaded yesterday. I understand most people are much more private than me, but I personally worry more about things like censorship compared to privacy... I simply don't have much to hide. --- Censorship, loss of privacy, same side of the coin. My original point was that Google is the biggest search engine. It has been reported that they know all our Internet habits. If they get into connectivity and they get a large market share they can selectively censor you. If you are for gay rights and they are not they can simply add a few points to your ranking to move you to page 3, 4, 5 instead of a natural page 1 ranking. They can impact elections. They can hide things that we need to know about while highlighting things that are not of importance. They would have the power to put you out of business if you rely on the Internet for your leads. This becomes more of an issue with newspapers going bankrupt, and the Yellow Book going out of style, while people are turning more to the Internet for their information. I'm not saying this is happening, however the potential is there. Our founding Fathers gave us the Bill-of-Rights for a reason. They lived through oppression and did not want it to happen in the Several States that is now the USA. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: PXE vs PXE
From: Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com [loopback mounting of ISOs] And since there could be many such .iso's to mount are there any limits on the number of mounts, or mounted files, or One might need to mount on demand to reduce some resource usage. There is so much to learn I could almost wish I was 20 again. --- Nah, bad idea! Usually, there are 8 loop devices. If you need more, you can manually mknod them and use more, up to... 4096? Something like that. /dev/loop0 is block, major 7, minor 0, and the others follow the same pattern. Or if you modprobe loop max_loop=N, then you can have an upper limit of N loop devices. Usually, people don't need more than a couple of loop devices at once. If you need more, it's relatively easy to get them running. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why does 'ssh' and 'scp' work to one and not another? SOLVED
Glad we got down to the exact details of the issue. Joe, that's the process, much as it seems impersonal, and while you thought your problem was SSH, which was what you were trying to do, it actually was a bad password, which WAS the error message you got! Linux is just like a good domestic or business partner, she will tell you very clearly exactly what is wrong with her! On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:16 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: . I have tried changing the passwords, but the system will not allow me to do so. because 'user' has to satisfy 'rules' for passwords but root does not. if you... sudo 'su -' and then type passwd joe you can enter anything you want for a password and not have to satisfy rules. That has apparently solved the problem. I'll do further checking to be sure and will report back. Thank you. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Skype: (623)239-3392 ATT: (503)754-4452 http://obnosis.110mb.com/nuke/index.php http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arizona --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need some help for a special Installfest
Yes, Mike I did and they are not available at this point. But they have been extremely helpful in various ways so I was not expecting them for this. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mike Schwartz mike.l.schwa...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone heard back from those Ubuntu AriZona Loco folks? I sent them a copy of [a reply to] an early part of this thread (see: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/lurker/message/20100208.191150.1e2ad3bf.en.html ) They might be able to help, -- EVEN if, it is (maybe) in some capacity other than showing up in person. -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Dazed_75 lthiels...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen, I really need you. Please come for as long as you are able. Eric, I will have a CD for everyone who wants one though most will never use it again. On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net wrote: Sounds good to me. Hopefully we can wrap half or better of the installs with enough time left to do the ad hoc getting started presentation. That could be challenging, but we might pull it off if we keep the objective in mind. You'll have a disk for each participant, right? Dazed_75 wrote: I like it too. Though I wish we had thought of this earlier in the week. I had intended to make a form tomorrow afternoon which was part data collection from the applicants to provide us with some information and part as a checklist for the volunteers for the actual install. I will put some thought into amending it as you guys suggested. With less than 36 hours before we start, I can't see preparing a presentation / class but I can see making some notes to drive an ad hoc one. I also don't know what our constraints might be without talking to Yvvone who asked us to do this. I am sure she is open to suggestion but we are still limited by room schedules and how many people are willing to hang around for a class/demo at the end of the session. Here is my proposal for this one: * give people (applicants) a handout and a form when they come in * applicants need to set up their system, read the handout and fill out what they can of the form * While they are doing that, we circulate among the folks and help them. Perhaps one of us might give an intro and answer questions while the others circulate, but since people will probably not all be there for the start that might not work well. * We start doing the installs when we have adequate information for each one and answer user questions as we go and move on when neither the system nor the applicant needs us. We leave the form with the system to help the same or another volunteer pick up the install when needed. (I am not confident about this part). * IF there is time and IF people are willing to stay, one of us can do an ad hoc class/lab about getting started. Alternatively we could offer to hold a separate class specifically for that purpose on some other day. I could do that one. Yvvone will have to schedule it. I would not be comfortable trying to talk the group through doing their own installs because I know from the interviews we did at the Mesa Regal Expo that some installs will be problematical and many of the applicants would not be willing to attempt it. On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: I like this idea. A better learning environment. Stephen wrote: This i think might be a good idea... create a small form for them to fill out for username computer name all the non-secure stuff, so we can give them an idea of what they might want to think about and then with them all up and running make it a class/install-fest even with them installing it themselves and having 3-5 people moving about helping with issues. and in the future this will let them reinstall or pass on to others. even set up the form to record information they might need in the future... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net mailto:e...@shubes.net wrote: Should we try to do a little presentation after the installs are (mostly) done that people can follow along on their new systems? Dazed_75 wrote: [...] -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry [...] [...] -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry [...] --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] --- PLUG-discuss mailing
