which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread der.hans
moin moin,

I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
the following requirements?

Required features:
. bluetooth tethering
. ability to turn off GPS if one is available
. ssh out
. bluetooth
. connect to my own mail servers
. root access
. play ogg-vorbis
. contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux

Desired features:
. tether and call at the same time
. on phone internet connection and call at the same time
. ssh in across cell network
. USB tethering
. fully functional while charging
. root access w/o jailbreaking
. wifi
. tetherable via wifi
. phone to phone communication via bluetooth
. phone to phone communication via wifi
. GPS
. camera and video
. external storage card, prefer sdmc
. can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

Any features that I forgot?

t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive.
I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my wife.

What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is
the add on cost?

. cell phone calling?
. internet access ( not just web )?
. tethering?
. gps?

I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One
or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it
will.

I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT, but
as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT.

Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost phone? This
one just needs to be able to make and receive calls on the family plan.
Receiving text messages on the family plan would also be good.

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread Alan Dayley
I have a myTouch since November.  I like it, though it is laggy
sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much.  If I were to
buy now, I'd get a Nexus One.

As you your requirements...

- Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you
replace the software with some other build.  There are many out there
and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the
boundaries of support from T-Mobile.  For you and many here on this
list this is not a big problem.  Just thought you should know the
limitation.

-- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to
get the following features:
 . bluetooth tethering
 . ssh out
 . root access
 . play ogg-vorbis
 . ssh in across cell network
 . USB tethering
 . tetherable via wifi

- As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
any of the Android phones currently available:
 . tether and call at the same time
 . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
 . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
 . phone to phone communication via wifi
 . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

- For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know
what to answer.  All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email
with your Google account.  So if your GNU/Linux contact management can
sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone.

- The phone comes with three email apps:
-- GMail is for your, um, GMail.
-- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use
this one for your own servers.
-- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that way.
-- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I
can do them all in the GMail app.

- The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a
specific signature.  No signature, the binary will not run.  This
means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones.  In
other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the
software.  I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone
except that they can only update it via official releases, which are
slow coming.

Alan

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:
 moin moin,

 I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
 the following requirements?

 Required features:
 . bluetooth tethering
 . ability to turn off GPS if one is available
 . ssh out
 . bluetooth
 . connect to my own mail servers
 . root access
 . play ogg-vorbis
 . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux

 Desired features:
 . tether and call at the same time
 . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
 . ssh in across cell network
 . USB tethering
 . fully functional while charging
 . root access w/o jailbreaking
 . wifi
 . tetherable via wifi
 . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
 . phone to phone communication via wifi
 . GPS
 . camera and video
 . external storage card, prefer sdmc
 . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

 Any features that I forgot?

 t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
 Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
 deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive.
 I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my wife.

 What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is
 the add on cost?

 . cell phone calling?
 . internet access ( not just web )?
 . tethering?
 . gps?

 I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One
 or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it
 will.

 I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT, but
 as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT.

 Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost phone? This
 one just needs to be able to make and receive calls on the family plan.
 Receiving text messages on the family plan would also be good.

 ciao,

 der.hans
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread Dazed_75
Good info Alan.  Thanks

I did hear the CDMAized Nexus One is supposed to hit Sprint on Mar 23.  But
I suspect those two reports may be bogus since I've seen no follow-up.

I also saw a report that buying the Nexus One unlocked  plus monthly usage
ended up costing less than buying the T-Mobile subsidized one and paying the
freight for the contract for the same service.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:

 I have a myTouch since November.  I like it, though it is laggy
 sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much.  If I were to
 buy now, I'd get a Nexus One.

 As you your requirements...

 - Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you
 replace the software with some other build.  There are many out there
 and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the
 boundaries of support from T-Mobile.  For you and many here on this
 list this is not a big problem.  Just thought you should know the
 limitation.

 -- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to
 get the following features:
  . bluetooth tethering
  . ssh out
  . root access
  . play ogg-vorbis
  . ssh in across cell network
  . USB tethering
  . tetherable via wifi

 - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
 any of the Android phones currently available:
  . tether and call at the same time
  . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
  . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
  . phone to phone communication via wifi
  . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

 - For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know
 what to answer.  All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email
 with your Google account.  So if your GNU/Linux contact management can
 sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone.

 - The phone comes with three email apps:
 -- GMail is for your, um, GMail.
 -- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use
 this one for your own servers.
 -- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that
 way.
 -- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I
 can do them all in the GMail app.

 - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a
 specific signature.  No signature, the binary will not run.  This
 means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones.  In
 other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the
 software.  I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone
 except that they can only update it via official releases, which are
 slow coming.

 Alan

 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:
  moin moin,
 
  I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
  the following requirements?
 
  Required features:
  . bluetooth tethering
  . ability to turn off GPS if one is available
  . ssh out
  . bluetooth
  . connect to my own mail servers
  . root access
  . play ogg-vorbis
  . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux
 
  Desired features:
  . tether and call at the same time
  . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
  . ssh in across cell network
  . USB tethering
  . fully functional while charging
  . root access w/o jailbreaking
  . wifi
  . tetherable via wifi
  . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
  . phone to phone communication via wifi
  . GPS
  . camera and video
  . external storage card, prefer sdmc
  . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )
 
  Any features that I forgot?
 
  t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
  Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
  deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive.
  I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my
 wife.
 
  What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is
  the add on cost?
 
  . cell phone calling?
  . internet access ( not just web )?
  . tethering?
  . gps?
 
  I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One
  or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it
  will.
 
  I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT,
 but
  as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT.
 
  Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost phone? This
  one just needs to be able to make and receive calls on the family plan.
  Receiving text messages on the family plan would also be good.
 
  ciao,
 
  der.hans
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread der.hans

Am 16. Mär, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so:


I have a myTouch since November.  I like it, though it is laggy
sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much.  If I were to
buy now, I'd get a Nexus One.


Yeah, for me I'm going Nexxus One or N900.


As you your requirements...

- Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you
replace the software with some other build.  There are many out there


True, I guess I should've thought more about what I want from my phone
and what I want from my wife's phone. Nexxus One and N900 hit all of my
required features, don't they?


and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the
boundaries of support from T-Mobile.  For you and many here on this
list this is not a big problem.  Just thought you should know the
limitation.


I appreciate you mentioning it.


-- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to
get the following features:

. bluetooth tethering
. ssh out
. root access
. play ogg-vorbis
. ssh in across cell network
. USB tethering
. tetherable via wifi


No tethering on the t-mobile phones? Verizon is advertising tethering up
to 5 devices to a droid. I find it difficult to believe Verizon would be
first to market with some customer service feature.


- As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
any of the Android phones currently available:

. tether and call at the same time


Hmm. I was told that's possible.


. on phone internet connection and call at the same time


Same here.


. phone to phone communication via bluetooth
. phone to phone communication via wifi
. can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )


- For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know
what to answer.  All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email
with your Google account.  So if your GNU/Linux contact management can
sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone.


Um. No Google account. Well, OK, I now have one for work, so I'll get to
use this, but that's not where my important contacts and preferences will
be listed.


- The phone comes with three email apps:
-- GMail is for your, um, GMail.
-- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use
this one for your own servers.


Cool. I will be testing this one :).


-- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that way.


And avoiding this one.


-- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I
can do them all in the GMail app.

- The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a
specific signature.  No signature, the binary will not run.  This
means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones.  In
other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the
software.  I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone
except that they can only update it via official releases, which are
slow coming.


Very good to know. The Mot phones just dropped off the list. I
specifically plan on not mucking with the software on my wife's phone, but
that doesn't mean I won't want to do so some other time.

I just learned that t-mobile is doing 2 for 1 on droid phones, so I'll
have a spare droid anyway :).

Thanks for the info!!!

ciao,

der.hans


Alan

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:

moin moin,

I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
the following requirements?

Required features:
. bluetooth tethering
. ability to turn off GPS if one is available
. ssh out
. bluetooth
. connect to my own mail servers
. root access
. play ogg-vorbis
. contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux

Desired features:
. tether and call at the same time
. on phone internet connection and call at the same time
. ssh in across cell network
. USB tethering
. fully functional while charging
. root access w/o jailbreaking
. wifi
. tetherable via wifi
. phone to phone communication via bluetooth
. phone to phone communication via wifi
. GPS
. camera and video
. external storage card, prefer sdmc
. can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

Any features that I forgot?

t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive.
I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my wife.

What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is
the add on cost?

. cell phone calling?
. internet access ( not just web )?
. tethering?
. gps?

I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One
or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it
will.

I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT, but
as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT.

Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost 

Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread David Huerta
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:
 - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
 any of the Android phones currently available:

 . tether and call at the same time

 Hmm. I was told that's possible.

 . on phone internet connection and call at the same time

 Same here.


The Nokia N900 wins in this category, since it can, at least according
to this: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mob/1647231671.html

 Um. No Google account. Well, OK, I now have one for work, so I'll get to
 use this, but that's not where my important contacts and preferences will
 be listed.


No need for a Gmail account on the N900, but with a fully-fledged
(yes, even plugins) Firefox browser on Maemo you can use Gmail or
virtually any other website just as if it were on a Linux netbook,
even Flash sites.


 I just learned that t-mobile is doing 2 for 1 on droid phones, so I'll
 have a spare droid anyway :).


The Droid looks like it came from the 70s and everyone I know who has
one complains that the keyboard keys are too teeny tiny.


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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread Alan Dayley
I could be wrong or out of date with some of my information.

Tethering is possible with
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php but requires a client on
the computer and does not have a Linux client.  And is not Free.

Check the article and comments at
http://lifehacker.com/5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone for
more tether information.

That Verizon advertises tethering is a surprise to me.  Seems like
T-Mobile better get on it!

Two for one on the Nexus!  Wish I needed one!

Alan

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:
 Am 16. Mär, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so:

 I have a myTouch since November.  I like it, though it is laggy
 sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much.  If I were to
 buy now, I'd get a Nexus One.

 Yeah, for me I'm going Nexxus One or N900.

 As you your requirements...

 - Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you
 replace the software with some other build.  There are many out there

 True, I guess I should've thought more about what I want from my phone
 and what I want from my wife's phone. Nexxus One and N900 hit all of my
 required features, don't they?

 and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the
 boundaries of support from T-Mobile.  For you and many here on this
 list this is not a big problem.  Just thought you should know the
 limitation.

 I appreciate you mentioning it.

 -- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to
 get the following features:

 . bluetooth tethering
 . ssh out
 . root access
 . play ogg-vorbis
 . ssh in across cell network
 . USB tethering
 . tetherable via wifi

 No tethering on the t-mobile phones? Verizon is advertising tethering up
 to 5 devices to a droid. I find it difficult to believe Verizon would be
 first to market with some customer service feature.

 - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
 any of the Android phones currently available:

 . tether and call at the same time

 Hmm. I was told that's possible.

 . on phone internet connection and call at the same time

 Same here.

 . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
 . phone to phone communication via wifi
 . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

 - For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know
 what to answer.  All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email
 with your Google account.  So if your GNU/Linux contact management can
 sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone.

 Um. No Google account. Well, OK, I now have one for work, so I'll get to
 use this, but that's not where my important contacts and preferences will
 be listed.

 - The phone comes with three email apps:
 -- GMail is for your, um, GMail.
 -- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use
 this one for your own servers.

 Cool. I will be testing this one :).

 -- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that
 way.

 And avoiding this one.

 -- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I
 can do them all in the GMail app.

 - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a
 specific signature.  No signature, the binary will not run.  This
 means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones.  In
 other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the
 software.  I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone
 except that they can only update it via official releases, which are
 slow coming.

 Very good to know. The Mot phones just dropped off the list. I
 specifically plan on not mucking with the software on my wife's phone, but
 that doesn't mean I won't want to do so some other time.

 I just learned that t-mobile is doing 2 for 1 on droid phones, so I'll
 have a spare droid anyway :).

 Thanks for the info!!!

 ciao,

 der.hans

 Alan

 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:

 moin moin,

 I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
 the following requirements?

 Required features:
 . bluetooth tethering
 . ability to turn off GPS if one is available
 . ssh out
 . bluetooth
 . connect to my own mail servers
 . root access
 . play ogg-vorbis
 . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux

 Desired features:
 . tether and call at the same time
 . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
 . ssh in across cell network
 . USB tethering
 . fully functional while charging
 . root access w/o jailbreaking
 . wifi
 . tetherable via wifi
 . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
 . phone to phone communication via wifi
 . GPS
 . camera and video
 . external storage card, prefer sdmc
 . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

 Any features that I forgot?

 t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
 Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
 deals don't matter and all phones 

Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread der.hans

Am 16. Mär, 2010 schwätzte Alan Dayley so:


I could be wrong or out of date with some of my information.

Tethering is possible with
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/index.php but requires a client on
the computer and does not have a Linux client.  And is not Free.


Someone at the west side mtg was talking about this. He said it's great. I
won't be using it, though.


Check the article and comments at
http://lifehacker.com/5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone for
more tether information.


Don't we get root on the Nexxus One?

Will try Proxoid on my wife's phone.

Needing a specific client generally rules out PDAnet.


That Verizon advertises tethering is a surprise to me.  Seems like
T-Mobile better get on it!


Yup.


Two for one on the Nexus!  Wish I needed one!


Hmm, I figured it was the non-Nexxus One phones. I will have to consider
that :).

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread Dazed_75
I was told by a multi-vendor phone booth employee that none of the
storefronts actually stock the Nexus One so that you end up getting it from
Google in any case.  He claimed the only difference was that whether you are
buying a T-Mobile Nexus One or an unlocked Nexus One.

I do not know if that is true or not as I later went to a T-Mobile store to
check it out and there were too many customers so I did not want to wait for
a sales person.  However, I did a thorough look around and not only found
none on display but also found no sign-age mentioning the Nexus One.
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

2010-03-16 Thread Shawn Badger
I was able to ssh out on the cell network before I rooted my G1, but the
other things do require you to rot the phone and install one of the many
other spins.



On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote:

 I have a myTouch since November.  I like it, though it is laggy
 sometimes, like a computer using the swap file too much.  If I were to
 buy now, I'd get a Nexus One.

 As you your requirements...

 - Most of your list is not possible on any Android phone unless you
 replace the software with some other build.  There are many out there
 and probably can do what you want but you will then be outside the
 boundaries of support from T-Mobile.  For you and many here on this
 list this is not a big problem.  Just thought you should know the
 limitation.

 -- As far as I know, you will have to replace the OS build in order to
 get the following features:
  . bluetooth tethering
  . ssh out
  . root access
  . play ogg-vorbis
  . ssh in across cell network
  . USB tethering
  . tetherable via wifi

 - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
 any of the Android phones currently available:
  . tether and call at the same time
  . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
  . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
  . phone to phone communication via wifi
  . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )

 - For the feature contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux I don't know
 what to answer.  All Android phones sync contacts, calendar, email
 with your Google account.  So if your GNU/Linux contact management can
 sync with your Google accounts, it is also syncing with your phone.

 - The phone comes with three email apps:
 -- GMail is for your, um, GMail.
 -- Mail is for some general email account somewhere so you can use
 this one for your own servers.
 -- Work Email will connect to a (ugh) Exchange server and get email that
 way.
 -- I have several email accounts that feed to my GMail account so I
 can do them all in the GMail app.

 - The Motorola models are TVO-ized. They check all binaries for a
 specific signature.  No signature, the binary will not run.  This
 means only official builds of OS can be used on those phones.  In
 other words, don't get one from Motorola if you want to change the
 software.  I have friends with the Motorola Cliq who love the phone
 except that they can only update it via official releases, which are
 slow coming.

 Alan

 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:41 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote:
  moin moin,
 
  I need to get new phones. Which of the t-mobile android phones best meet
  the following requirements?
 
  Required features:
  . bluetooth tethering
  . ability to turn off GPS if one is available
  . ssh out
  . bluetooth
  . connect to my own mail servers
  . root access
  . play ogg-vorbis
  . contact, etc. syncing w/ GNU/Linux
 
  Desired features:
  . tether and call at the same time
  . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
  . ssh in across cell network
  . USB tethering
  . fully functional while charging
  . root access w/o jailbreaking
  . wifi
  . tetherable via wifi
  . phone to phone communication via bluetooth
  . phone to phone communication via wifi
  . GPS
  . camera and video
  . external storage card, prefer sdmc
  . can use external display ( monitor and/or TV )
 
  Any features that I forgot?
 
  t-mobile has Motorola CLIQ, Samsung Behold II, t-mobile myTouch and G1.
  Which is the better phone? I will be trying to do this w/o a contract, so
  deals don't matter and all phones appears to be almost equally expensive.
  I am interested in consumer ready, easy to use as this one is for my
 wife.
 
  What services/features are included in the service plan? If not, what is
  the add on cost?
 
  . cell phone calling?
  . internet access ( not just web )?
  . tethering?
  . gps?
 
  I still haven't completely decided whether I will go with the Nexxus One
  or N900 for my own use. Will the N900 work with t-mobile? I believe it
  will.
 
  I could consider ATT if I go with the N900 and it works well with ATT,
 but
  as I understand it the Nexxus One currently will not work fully with ATT.
 
  Does t-mobile carry a Linux-based, large numbered, low-cost phone? This
  one just needs to be able to make and receive calls on the family plan.
  Receiving text messages on the family plan would also be good.
 
  ciao,
 
  der.hans
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Linux wireless adapter?

2010-03-16 Thread mike Enriquez
I am going to build a Linux destop computer for my wife. It has to be a 
wireless setup. Before I create a disaster, can any member of the group 
recommend  a distro and  wireless card  that will live in harmony  and 
protect my marriage.
I am open for any distro and any card.  What have you found to work?

If I build her a linux and computer and it will not connect to the 
internet she will want a windows machine. So be nice I don't want that 
to happen.

Thanks for you help.

Mike Enriquez
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Stammtische tonight and tomorrow night

2010-03-16 Thread der.hans
moin moin,

the Free Software Stammtische are tonight and tomorrow night.

Tonight in Tempe starting at 19:00.

Tomorrow night in Avondale/Goodyear starting at 19:00.

http://www.LuftHans.com/Free_Software_Stammtisch

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Linux wireless adapter?

2010-03-16 Thread Eric Shubert
mike Enriquez wrote:
 I am going to build a Linux destop computer for my wife. It has to be a 
 wireless setup. Before I create a disaster, can any member of the group 
 recommend  a distro and  wireless card  that will live in harmony  and 
 protect my marriage.
 I am open for any distro and any card.  What have you found to work?
 
 If I build her a linux and computer and it will not connect to the 
 internet she will want a windows machine. So be nice I don't want that 
 to happen.
 
 Thanks for you help.
 
 Mike Enriquez

Anything should somewhat work if you want to go the ndiswrapper route, 
although some features might not work that way. All Broadcom chipsets 
fit into this category the last I knew. I have 2 Linksys WMP54G cards I 
can sell which fit into this category. They're better suited to windoze 
hosts.

I also have 2 Hawking HWP54G pci cards with the rt2x00 chipset that I 
used five years or so ago. At that time I had to build my own driver, 
but it appears that drivers for this made it into the linux kernel 2 
years ago, beginning with v2.6.24 (see 
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page). I'd be happy 
to sell you any of these. Let me know off list if you're interested.

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