Re: OT: [W'post.com] ('via' ACM): Dismantling of Saudi-CIA Web Site Illustrates Need for Clearer Cyberwar Policies
um, If the enemy thinks their own IT guy crashed the site, then it was
a covert operation (or a bug). If the site goes down and the redirect
goes to a .mill domain, then it is a traditional military activity (or
a bug). In love and war, almost everything can (now) be attributed to
a bug
and stop asking the lawyers about technical things - if you lawyer up
the world, it will stop spinning(RTFM).
:) Ed
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote:
> This W
> ashington Post
> article:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031805464.html
> was summarized in (and linked to, from)
> ACM's TechNews:
> http://technews.acm.org/archives.cfm?fo=2010-03-mar/mar-19-2010.html#455307
> The
> summary says:
> Dismantling of Saudi-CIA Web Site Illustrates Need for Clearer Cyberwar
> Policies
> Washington Post (03/19/10) P. A1; Nakashima, Ellen; Priest, Dana; DeYoung,
> Karen
>
> The dissolution of an intelligence-gathering Web site set up by the Saudi
> government and the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), based on
> suspicions that it was being used by extremists planning attacks on U.S.
> forces in Iraq, highlights the need for more transparent cyberwar policies.
> The use of computers to collect intelligence or to disrupt the enemy raises
> a number of issues, including under what circumstances a cyberattack outside
> the theater of war is permissible and whether dismantling an extremist Web
> site represents a covert operation or a traditional military activity.
> Current and former officials say that lawyers at the U.S. Justice
> Department's Office of Legal Counsel are engaged in a struggle to define the
> legal rules governing cyberwarfare. A key dilemma of cyberwarfare is that an
> attacker can never be sure that only the intended target will be impacted by
> an attack. A former official notes than more than 300 servers in Saudi
> Arabia, Germany, and Texas were unintentionally disrupted when the Saudi-CIA
> site was dismantled.
> View Full Article - May Require Free Registration | Return to Headlines
> and here are some juicy quotes [IMHO] from the original
> W
> ash. Post article:
>> The Saudi-CIA Web site was set up several years ago as a "honey pot,"
>> [...]
>> [...] some experts counter that dismantling Web sites is ineffective -- no
>> sooner does a site come down than a mirror site pops up somewhere
>> else. [...]
>> "It seems difficult to understand," he [Evan F. Kohlmann] [a terrorism
>> researcher] added, "why governments would interrupt [...] a lucrative
>> intelligence-gathering tool."
> ("forwarded" by:)
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Re: OT: [W'post.com] ('via' ACM): Dismantling of Saudi-CIA Web Site Illustrates Need for Clearer Cyberwar Policies
On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 09:30 -0700, Ed wrote: > um, If the enemy thinks their own IT guy crashed the site, then it was > a covert operation (or a bug). If the site goes down and the redirect > goes to a .mill domain, then it is a traditional military activity (or > a bug). In love and war, almost everything can (now) be attributed to > a bug > > and stop asking the lawyers about technical things - if you lawyer up > the world, it will stop spinning(RTFM). Note... The Washington Post ceased to be relevant years ago. Possibly Dana Priest might be one of the only few people left there that have a smidgen of credibility left but if this or the WSJ is where you get your news, you're in deep trouble. There are many reasons that newspapers are dying out and credibility is certainly among the top. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Linux Cluster GFS\
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RPM query results?
Here's an esoteric question for y'all. What factors cause rpm to return
different values for %{name} for the same spec file?
Okay, so I have the same spec file on all systems. I then run the
following query to get the current name:
rpm -q --queryformat "%{name}\n" --specfile project.spec
I run this on three CentOS 5 systems. Two are x86_64 and one is i386.
I don't know for sure that all three systems are running the same point
version of CentOS5 (have almost no access to one of them).
The results I get are:
Remote x86_64 system:
project132-1.3.2-%{dist}
project132
Local i386 system:
project132
project132-debuginfo
Local x86_64 system:
project132
It's the *same* spec file on all three! So what is causing them to give
different results? In particular, why does one give a -debuginfo
version and the other a '-%{dist}' version?
I can provide the actual spec file in question, but not immediately.
I'm hoping, at this point, that somebody will just *know* the answer.
Kurt
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Re: RPM query results?
After a long battle with technology, Kurt Granroth wrote:
> rpm -q --queryformat "%{name}\n" --specfile project.spec
> I run this on three CentOS 5 systems. Two are x86_64 and one is i386.
> I don't know for sure that all three systems are running the same point
> version of CentOS5
> Remote x86_64 system:
> project132-1.3.2-%{dist}
> project132
> Local i386 system:
> project132
> project132-debuginfo
> It's the *same* spec file on all three! So what is causing them to give
> different results? In particular, why does one give a -debuginfo
> version and the other a '-%{dist}' version?
*debuginfo is usually built as a separate RPM in the spec files I've seen.
You can install it, or not, depending on if you'll be debugging the package
that it's associated with. It's not that useful in production AFAICT.
> I can provide the actual spec file in question, but not immediately.
> I'm hoping, at this point, that somebody will just *know* the answer.
The version# thing is a bit odd. My first guess would be that the packages
were built with *slightly* different spec files, actually. None of the RPMs
I've built do this though. However, I'm very serious about ++ing the last
version number in the release every time I change the spec file and rebuild
the RPM.
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How to get video off of my camera?
I can't figure out how to copy videos off of my Kodak M863 Digital camera onto my Linux system. I was able to use gphoto2 to copy still photos onto my older Mandriva Linux system, but neither gphoto nor gphoto2 work on my newer Linux system. Eventually, I found that I could get the photos off using digikam, but while a video (.MOV) appears in the digikam list of captured images, when I try to copy it off, an error results: "Failed to load image ..." Screen cap of the problem: http://www.upquick.com/linux/digikam.jpg Under multimedia applications on my system, there are 15 apps listed under graphics and 14 apps listed under video, and while I have used several of the graphics apps, I have not yet used any of the video apps. Screen cap of apps available: http://www.upquick.com/linux/graphic.video.jpg Hope some of my plug friends can advise me how to get my videos copied off my camera onto my Linux box, and which video apps might work best. Recently someone on the list recommended "Open Movie Editor" as perhaps the best video editor, but I have not been able to get the video on my camera imported into it. Help! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux Cluster GFS\
Honestly so would I I have done some reading on it, but it was never conclusive enough to really decide to try it.. and a lack of spare hardware and space to do it in a manner that would prevent divorce. On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with Linux Clusters and GFS? > > I would be interested in discussing capacity, network requirements and > direct attached fiber channel, iSCSI verses network devices. > > -- > Office: (480)307-8707 > AT&T: (503)754-4452 > Systems Engineer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to get video off of my camera?
I think all of this is pointing to the way the camera is connecting to your system, and how the hardware is connected. i would take a look there and make sure the Os is really seeing the media correctly, then i think any app you use will be good to go. i know the output of lspci and... err i forget the other.. should have some clues. bot to keep it from being horrible boot the system. wait a min then plug in and then do lspci so it will mostly be at the bottom of the output. On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, wrote: > I can't figure out how to copy videos off of my Kodak M863 Digital camera > onto my Linux system. > > I was able to use gphoto2 to copy still photos onto my older Mandriva > Linux system, but neither gphoto nor gphoto2 work on my newer Linux > system. > > Eventually, I found that I could get the photos off using digikam, but > while a video (.MOV) appears in the digikam list of captured images, when > I try to copy it off, an error results: "Failed to load image ..." > > Screen cap of the problem: http://www.upquick.com/linux/digikam.jpg > > Under multimedia applications on my system, there are 15 apps listed under > graphics and 14 apps listed under video, and while I have used several of > the graphics apps, I have not yet used any of the video apps. > > Screen cap of apps available: http://www.upquick.com/linux/graphic.video.jpg > > Hope some of my plug friends can advise me how to get my videos copied off > my camera onto my Linux box, and which video apps might work best. > > Recently someone on the list recommended "Open Movie Editor" as perhaps > the best video editor, but I have not been able to get the video on my > camera imported into it. > > Help! > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
My introduction to the PLUG mail list (and more)! :D
Hello, My name is Tom, I am new to PLUG and am hoping to find time to start attending meetings. Until then I hope to find some interesting discussions here on this mailing list. I've recently been playing around with creating a working LFS system and have been having lots of fun at learning about all that goes in to putting a working Linux system together. Now that I am almost done with the BLFS book, I was wondering if I might get some critique on my first, what I would consider, real shell script. I wrote it while going through the process of downloading and compiling the various packages I wanted/needed on my system. I basically downloads the needed archives, extracts them, runs the commands provided, and then removes the extracted directory and downloaded archive from the system. I added a some easily replaceable placeholders that I can us the %s option in vim on. So far it has worked fairly well for me. The code for it can be found at http://pastebin.com/ESjVCmTF. I am looking forward to hearing any advice regarding this and also participating in this mailing list in the future. -- Thanks, Thomas Sapp http://www.sappsworld.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to get video off of my camera?
I had this problem last year using ubuntu (don't remember the version or what programs I tried. The .mov was on my Kodak Z812. I did not try super hard so there is probably a better solution, but what I did was to use MovieMaker in Vista which was able to import the .mov file. I then did some simple edits and exported the result as another format. I was able to use THAT as input on the Linux system. The .mov type is a container type like .avi and others. You probably do not have the codec (or something) required to process the contents. In ubuntu, you could install ubuntu-restricted-extras to get many of them. I have found Handbrake useful to trasform some video types into another and even fix some problems (I did not know of it when I had the .mov). Lastly, you could try just getting the file off the camera and onto your hard drive without trying to treat it as a video. It will then be easier to experiment on. IOW try to use a copy command from a terminal or a file browser like Nautilus to simply copy or move the file to somewhere in youor home directory tree. On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Stephen wrote: > I think all of this is pointing to the way the camera is connecting to > your system, and how the hardware is connected. > > i would take a look there and make sure the Os is really seeing the > media correctly, then i think any app you use will be good to go. > > i know the output of lspci and... err i forget the other.. should have > some clues. > > bot to keep it from being horrible boot the system. wait a min then > plug in and then do lspci so it will mostly be at the bottom of the > output. > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, wrote: > > I can't figure out how to copy videos off of my Kodak M863 Digital camera > > onto my Linux system. > > > > I was able to use gphoto2 to copy still photos onto my older Mandriva > > Linux system, but neither gphoto nor gphoto2 work on my newer Linux > > system. > > > > Eventually, I found that I could get the photos off using digikam, but > > while a video (.MOV) appears in the digikam list of captured images, when > > I try to copy it off, an error results: "Failed to load image ..." > > > > Screen cap of the problem: http://www.upquick.com/linux/digikam.jpg > > > > Under multimedia applications on my system, there are 15 apps listed > under > > graphics and 14 apps listed under video, and while I have used several of > > the graphics apps, I have not yet used any of the video apps. > > > > Screen cap of apps available: > http://www.upquick.com/linux/graphic.video.jpg > > > > Hope some of my plug friends can advise me how to get my videos copied > off > > my camera onto my Linux box, and which video apps might work best. > > > > Recently someone on the list recommended "Open Movie Editor" as perhaps > > the best video editor, but I have not been able to get the video on my > > camera imported into it. > > > > Help! > > > > > > > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always to be kept alive. - Thomas Jefferson --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to get video off of my camera?
actually an idea comes to me, look into VLC (video lan client) it has a crapton of codecs built in/brought in with it. On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Dazed_75 wrote: > I had this problem last year using ubuntu (don't remember the version or > what programs I tried. The .mov was on my Kodak Z812. I did not try super > hard so there is probably a better solution, but what I did was to use > MovieMaker in Vista which was able to import the .mov file. I then did some > simple edits and exported the result as another format. I was able to use > THAT as input on the Linux system. > > The .mov type is a container type like .avi and others. You probably do not > have the codec (or something) required to process the contents. In ubuntu, > you could install ubuntu-restricted-extras to get many of them. I have > found Handbrake useful to trasform some video types into another and even > fix some problems (I did not know of it when I had the .mov). > > Lastly, you could try just getting the file off the camera and onto your > hard drive without trying to treat it as a video. It will then be easier to > experiment on. IOW try to use a copy command from a terminal or a file > browser like Nautilus to simply copy or move the file to somewhere in youor > home directory tree. > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Stephen wrote: >> >> I think all of this is pointing to the way the camera is connecting to >> your system, and how the hardware is connected. >> >> i would take a look there and make sure the Os is really seeing the >> media correctly, then i think any app you use will be good to go. >> >> i know the output of lspci and... err i forget the other.. should have >> some clues. >> >> bot to keep it from being horrible boot the system. wait a min then >> plug in and then do lspci so it will mostly be at the bottom of the >> output. >> >> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:47 PM, wrote: >> > I can't figure out how to copy videos off of my Kodak M863 Digital >> > camera >> > onto my Linux system. >> > >> > I was able to use gphoto2 to copy still photos onto my older Mandriva >> > Linux system, but neither gphoto nor gphoto2 work on my newer Linux >> > system. >> > >> > Eventually, I found that I could get the photos off using digikam, but >> > while a video (.MOV) appears in the digikam list of captured images, >> > when >> > I try to copy it off, an error results: "Failed to load image ..." >> > >> > Screen cap of the problem: http://www.upquick.com/linux/digikam.jpg >> > >> > Under multimedia applications on my system, there are 15 apps listed >> > under >> > graphics and 14 apps listed under video, and while I have used several >> > of >> > the graphics apps, I have not yet used any of the video apps. >> > >> > Screen cap of apps available: >> > http://www.upquick.com/linux/graphic.video.jpg >> > >> > Hope some of my plug friends can advise me how to get my videos copied >> > off >> > my camera onto my Linux box, and which video apps might work best. >> > >> > Recently someone on the list recommended "Open Movie Editor" as perhaps >> > the best video editor, but I have not been able to get the video on my >> > camera imported into it. >> > >> > Help! >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> --- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry > > The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, > that I wish it always to be kept alive. > - Thomas Jefferson > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: My introduction to the PLUG mail list (and more)! :D
It looks like you haven't used command line parameters yet. For a useful improvement, try replacing with $1 and with $2 in the script, representing the first and second parameters on the command line. The call the script as follows (assuming it's named "download_archive" download_archive "archive name" "packege name" Then you won't have to use the vim search-and-replace for each package/archive combination. Thomas Sapp wrote: > Hello, > My name is Tom, I am new to PLUG and am hoping to find time to start > attending meetings. Until then I hope to find some interesting > discussions here on this mailing list. > > I've recently been playing around with creating a working LFS system and > have been having lots of fun at learning about all that goes in to > putting a working Linux system together. Now that I am almost done with > the BLFS book, I was wondering if I might get some critique on my first, > what I would consider, real shell script. I wrote it while going > through the process of downloading and compiling the various packages I > wanted/needed on my system. I basically downloads the needed archives, > extracts them, runs the commands provided, and then removes the > extracted directory and downloaded archive from the system. I added a > some easily replaceable placeholders that I can us the %s option in vim > on. So far it has worked fairly well for me. The code for it can be > found at http://pastebin.com/ESjVCmTF. > > I am looking forward to hearing any advice regarding this and also > participating in this mailing list in the future. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RPM query results?
On 3/20/10 11:56 AM, Matt Graham wrote:
After a long battle with technology, Kurt Granroth wrote:
rpm -q --queryformat "%{name}\n" --specfile project.spec
I run this on three CentOS 5 systems. Two are x86_64 and one is i386.
I don't know for sure that all three systems are running the same point
version of CentOS5
Remote x86_64 system:
project132-1.3.2-%{dist}
project132
Local i386 system:
project132
project132-debuginfo
It's the *same* spec file on all three! So what is causing them to give
different results? In particular, why does one give a -debuginfo
version and the other a '-%{dist}' version?
I can provide the actual spec file in question, but not immediately.
I'm hoping, at this point, that somebody will just *know* the answer.
The version# thing is a bit odd. My first guess would be that the packages
were built with *slightly* different spec files, actually. None of the RPMs
I've built do this though. However, I'm very serious about ++ing the last
version number in the release every time I change the spec file and rebuild
the RPM.
I'm well before the step of actually having a package. We're just
talking about the bare spec file at this stage.
Okay, so here is some more testing. I've attached a minimal spec file
(minimal.spec) to illustrate what I'm seeing. I ran the following query
on it:
rpm -q --specfile minimal.spec
I then captured the results of that plus the version of 'rpm', the
installed distro, and uname for a few distros. Here's what I got:
CentOS release 5 (Final)
minimal-1.0-1
minimal-debuginfo-1.0-1
RPM version 4.4.2.3
Linux 2.6.18-53.el5 #1 SMP i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
CentOS release 5.4 (Final)
minimal-1.0-1
RPM version 4.4.2.3
Linux 2.6.18-164.el5 #1 SMP x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Fedora release 12 (Constantine)
minimal-1.0-1.i686
minimal-debuginfo-1.0-1.i686
RPM version 4.7.2
Linux 2.6.32.9-67.fc12.i686 #1 SMP i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
openSUSE 11.2 (i586)
minimal-1.0-1.i586
RPM version 4.7.1
Linux 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
My first thought was the version of rpm... but both the oldest version
(CentOS5) and the newest version (Fedora12) both had the -debuginfo
result. Maybe it's i686 vs x86_64 since the one x86_64 system had the
"right" result... except that openSUSE at i586 did as well.
This leads me to believe that there is something installed on the system
that tells rpm to print out the -debuginfo variant. But what?
BTW, the *reason* for this is that I am writing a script that parses the
spec file and exacts specifics magics upon it... but the non-standard
responses are throwing me for a curve.
Name: minimal
Summary: Minimal Spec File
Version: 1.0
Release: 1
License: None
Group: None
Source0: minimal.tar.gz
%description
A Minimal Spec file to test out various distributions
%prep
%setup -c -a 0 -n minimal
%build
make minimal
%install
make minimal install
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