Ubuntu 10.04 on PPC (Pre Intel MAC)

2010-10-05 Thread Stephen
I know we had someone looking for getting Linux on his mac as mac will
no longer upgrade and he has an older Power PC based Macbook of some
flavor.

I am horrible with who was asking for what and names involved but i
did some random perusing

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/

I don't know if either of the above bits of information had been
ready, but it might be of interest. and i know 10.04 has a pretty
hefty number of accessibility options built in.

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Re: Low power customizable NAS?

2010-10-05 Thread Kurt Granroth
Thanks for the pointers.  Those definitely look more industrial than
I'd prefer.  If I did roll my own, I'd certainly want to use commodity
boards.  Call for pricing translates in my mind to if you have to
ask, you can't afford it :-)

The more I researched this, the more I realized that there are an
embarrassment of choices!  The last I looked (5 or 6 years ago), it was
relatively difficult to construct a silent and low power system with
massive compromises.  Not so anymore.

Now the question is at what level to settle on.  There's the SheevaPlug
(and similar) that use up about 10 watts but need more storage and can't
really handle any notable processing.  Moving up a notch, you can get a
N270 Atom mini-itx system that also hovers between 10-15 watts but is a
bit faster and will typically have a much larger (up to 1 TB) hard
drive.  Then you can move up to an NVIDIA ION system with a dual-core
Atom and now we're maybe in the 30 watt range but this can handle HD
output, if necessary.

Decisions, decisions.  That's why I was kind of hoping that some local
folks would have used some of these systems and could comment on how
well they work for them.

On 10/04/2010 01:42 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:
 We used to use these great mobos from a company called CongaTec
 
 http://www.congatec.us/qa6.html
 http://www.congatec.us/qcarrier.html
 
 This 95x140 motherboard and QSeven module can handle 2 Data drives.
 
 I know you said you would prefer not to roll your own, but if you do,
 this is an awesome setup.
 
 Kevin
 
 On Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM, Kurt Granroth
 kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com
 mailto:kurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com wrote:

 I'm looking for a NAS that looks roughly like so:

 o Very low power usage (~10 watts or less, ideally)
 o Can run squid or similar proxy
 o Can serve up files like you'd expect as NAS to do
 o Can stream media
 o Can run Linux or, at least, is customizable

 Anybody using anything like this already?

 I'm not opposed to rolling my own with mini-itx or the like but I'd
 prefer not to.  I do wonder if the proxy requirement is more of a
 deal-breaker since most NAS units try to stay strictly in the storage
 realm.

 One thought is adapting a Pogoplug or Seagate Dockstar or the like.  I'm
 not yet sure if that'll do all I want, though.

 Any thoughts?
 Kurt
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Re: Low power customizable NAS?

2010-10-05 Thread JD Austin
I asked a couple of Q7 companies for a quote and got back one a few minutes
ago from Portwell
(portwell.com):

Part Number

Description

Qty

Unit price

14-831011-0002

PQ7-M101G-1600-0512 Q7 MODULE 1.6G, 512 RAM

1

$312

14-831012-1002

PQ7-M101G-1600-1024 Q7 MODULE 1.6G, 1G RAM

1

$350

14-892000-0002

PQ7-C200 Q7 CARRIER BOARD W/V/GbE

1

$184



The ability for them to handle heat (185F) might make it worth using them
but I definitely won't save money over typical mATX hardware.  The Carrier
board drops to $180 each if I buy 100; waiting to see how much it will drop
if I order 1000.


JD



On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 09:55, Kurt Granroth
kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.comkurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com
 wrote:

 Thanks for the pointers.  Those definitely look more industrial than
 I'd prefer.  If I did roll my own, I'd certainly want to use commodity
 boards.  Call for pricing translates in my mind to if you have to
 ask, you can't afford it :-)

 The more I researched this, the more I realized that there are an
 embarrassment of choices!  The last I looked (5 or 6 years ago), it was
 relatively difficult to construct a silent and low power system with
 massive compromises.  Not so anymore.

 Now the question is at what level to settle on.  There's the SheevaPlug
 (and similar) that use up about 10 watts but need more storage and can't
 really handle any notable processing.  Moving up a notch, you can get a
 N270 Atom mini-itx system that also hovers between 10-15 watts but is a
 bit faster and will typically have a much larger (up to 1 TB) hard
 drive.  Then you can move up to an NVIDIA ION system with a dual-core
 Atom and now we're maybe in the 30 watt range but this can handle HD
 output, if necessary.

 Decisions, decisions.  That's why I was kind of hoping that some local
 folks would have used some of these systems and could comment on how
 well they work for them.

 On 10/04/2010 01:42 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:
  We used to use these great mobos from a company called CongaTec
 
  http://www.congatec.us/qa6.html
  http://www.congatec.us/qcarrier.html
 
  This 95x140 motherboard and QSeven module can handle 2 Data drives.
 
  I know you said you would prefer not to roll your own, but if you do,
  this is an awesome setup.
 
  Kevin
 
  On Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM, Kurt Granroth
  kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com kurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com
  mailto:kurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.comkurt%252bplug-disc...@granroth.com
 wrote:
 
  I'm looking for a NAS that looks roughly like so:
 
  o Very low power usage (~10 watts or less, ideally)
  o Can run squid or similar proxy
  o Can serve up files like you'd expect as NAS to do
  o Can stream media
  o Can run Linux or, at least, is customizable
 
  Anybody using anything like this already?
 
  I'm not opposed to rolling my own with mini-itx or the like but I'd
  prefer not to.  I do wonder if the proxy requirement is more of a
  deal-breaker since most NAS units try to stay strictly in the storage
  realm.
 
  One thought is adapting a Pogoplug or Seagate Dockstar or the like.  I'm
  not yet sure if that'll do all I want, though.
 
  Any thoughts?
  Kurt
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Re: Ubuntu 10.04 on PPC (Pre Intel MAC)

2010-10-05 Thread Technomage_Hawke
it was me.
I need a talking linux for a ppc powerbook G3 (lombard bronze keyboard).


On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Stephen wrote:

 I know we had someone looking for getting Linux on his mac as mac will
 no longer upgrade and he has an older Power PC based Macbook of some
 flavor.
 
 I am horrible with who was asking for what and names involved but i
 did some random perusing
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/
 
 I don't know if either of the above bits of information had been
 ready, but it might be of interest. and i know 10.04 has a pretty
 hefty number of accessibility options built in.
 
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PIPESTATUS clarification

2010-10-05 Thread Dazed_75
This is a nit, but where Hans referred to pipe commands, I would use
piped commands.  To me, the pipe commands would be the '|' symbols
themselves for invoking the pipes.  Not important, just my grammatical
foible.

Hans gave this example:

( ls /tmp/afjkasdlf | grep georg | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ${pipestat[0]}; echo ${pipestat[1]} )

 ls: cannot access /tmp/afjkasdlf: No such file or directory
 2
 1


At first I wondered why the pipe to echo.  I now understand it accomplishes
two things:
- prevents grep from displaying results by piping stdout to a command that
ignores stdin
- it outputs a blank line before the result of the commands in the pipe is
displayed
Though I am not sure why the blank line comes out before the error message
from ls. Probably has something to do with the way pipes function in
relation to stdout.

I also was confused because he ignored the piped command echo in his
explanation and it made me curious about more than just verifying what would
happen if each of the piped commands was made to fail or succeed by changing
the arguments.  I made a script called test based on derHans' example.

This made it easy to make mods in one window, save them and execute in a
terminal.  Pretty basic stuff.  After running a number of tests, I realized
it was not possible to see which version of test was used for each run n the
terminal.  So I added a cat test to the beginning of the script.  This
directory contains among other things the test script and some java error
logs named hs_err_pid.log.  The script was to show the return values for
all three piped commands plus a 4th just to see what would come out.

I saw some things that were hard to understand.

la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test

 ( ls -l hs* | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=1
 echo rv=1
 4th rv=1

This came out as expected. ls found the error logs but grep found no
occurrences of test


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test

 ( ls -l hs* | grep log | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=141
 echo rv=141
 4th rv=141

la...@triggerfish:~$ man grep

This was a complete surprise, grep should have succedded with multiple
occurrences of log and nothing in the man page for grep suggested a
meaning for the 141. Maybe it was the multiple files found, or multiple
finds by grep, or something about open files, or ...  So I tried a few
experiments:


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test; sync

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=0
 echo rv=0
 4th rv=0

So back to single files found and single grep results and with syncing (not
sure why I tried that) worked.


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test;

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=0
 echo rv=0
 4th rv=0

So did removing the sync. but leaving the semicolon.


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=141
 echo rv=141
 4th rv=141

Aah, but dropping the semicolon caused the 141's and on a case that should
be all successes.

la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test ;

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=141
 echo rv=141
 4th rv=141

But so did putting it back but with whitespace before it.  Huh?


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test;

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=141
 echo rv=141
 4th rv=141

Ditto whith no white space.


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test; sync

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=141
 echo rv=141
 4th rv=141

and with a sync but no trailing semicolon


 la...@triggerfish:~$ ./test
 cat test; sync;

 ( ls -l test | grep test | echo; pipestat=( ${pipestat...@]} );
 echo ls rv=${pipestat[0]}; echo grep rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo echo
 rv=${pipestat[1]}; echo 4th rv=${pipestat[1]} )

 ls rv=0
 grep rv=0
 echo rv=0
 4th rv=0
 la...@triggerfish:~$

But adding a 

Re: Ubuntu 10.04 on PPC (Pre Intel MAC)

2010-10-05 Thread Tom Ostlund
Reddit has a great installer for mac to dual boot to linux. 

Instructions have been posted on various websites so it was very easy to do. 

I have uberstudent loaded on my mac and it works well.


Tom Ostlund
t...@ostlundgroup.com
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On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Stephen wrote:

I know we had someone looking for getting Linux on his mac as mac will
no longer upgrade and he has an older Power PC based Macbook of some
flavor.

I am horrible with who was asking for what and names involved but i
did some random perusing

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/

I don't know if either of the above bits of information had been
ready, but it might be of interest. and i know 10.04 has a pretty
hefty number of accessibility options built in.

-- 
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rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

Stephen
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Re: Ubuntu 10.04 on PPC (Pre Intel MAC)

2010-10-05 Thread Stephen
I hope the information helps...

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Technomage_Hawke
technomage.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
 it was me.
 I need a talking linux for a ppc powerbook G3 (lombard bronze keyboard).


 On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Stephen wrote:

 I know we had someone looking for getting Linux on his mac as mac will
 no longer upgrade and he has an older Power PC based Macbook of some
 flavor.

 I am horrible with who was asking for what and names involved but i
 did some random perusing

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/

 I don't know if either of the above bits of information had been
 ready, but it might be of interest. and i know 10.04 has a pretty
 hefty number of accessibility options built in.

 --
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 rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

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Re: Low power customizable NAS?

2010-10-05 Thread Kurt Granroth
That's an interesting way to think about power consumption -- power per 
job, essentially, rather than just power over time.  I think that if I 
was creating a media server that would do live transcoding, then 
something like a Core i3 would definitely be the better choice.


In my case, though, I just want a static server and so pretty much none 
of the tasks will take appreciable amount of computing.  This means that 
the idle and low-peak levels matter a lot more.


On that note, I'm not sure how much I believe some of their power 
consumption results.  They have an Atom 230 based system idling at 33 
watts.  I've seen *multiple* results of an Atom N270 based system idling 
at 10 watts (SSD) to 14 watts (2.5 drive).  Now the 230 is a slightly 
different class of Atom and also has a more power hungry chipset... but 
TWICE the power?  I'm dubious.


That does make me want to track down some more power consumption figures 
for the Athlon, though.


On 10/5/10 2:29 PM, Stephen wrote:

This is something to consider also the Athlon 2000+ beat the atom
overall in power consumption, and the i3 did amazingly well in power
efficiency

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Atom-Athlon-Efficient,1997-5.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/d510mo-intel-atom,2616.html

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Kurt Granroth
kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com  wrote:

Thanks for the pointers.  Those definitely look more industrial than
I'd prefer.  If I did roll my own, I'd certainly want to use commodity
boards.  Call for pricing translates in my mind to if you have to
ask, you can't afford it :-)

The more I researched this, the more I realized that there are an
embarrassment of choices!  The last I looked (5 or 6 years ago), it was
relatively difficult to construct a silent and low power system with
massive compromises.  Not so anymore.

Now the question is at what level to settle on.  There's the SheevaPlug
(and similar) that use up about 10 watts but need more storage and can't
really handle any notable processing.  Moving up a notch, you can get a
N270 Atom mini-itx system that also hovers between 10-15 watts but is a
bit faster and will typically have a much larger (up to 1 TB) hard
drive.  Then you can move up to an NVIDIA ION system with a dual-core
Atom and now we're maybe in the 30 watt range but this can handle HD
output, if necessary.

Decisions, decisions.  That's why I was kind of hoping that some local
folks would have used some of these systems and could comment on how
well they work for them.

On 10/04/2010 01:42 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:

We used to use these great mobos from a company called CongaTec

http://www.congatec.us/qa6.html
http://www.congatec.us/qcarrier.html

This 95x140 motherboard and QSeven module can handle 2 Data drives.

I know you said you would prefer not to roll your own, but if you do,
this is an awesome setup.

Kevin


On Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM, Kurt Granroth
kurt+plug-disc...@granroth.com
mailto:kurt%2bplug-disc...@granroth.com  wrote:

I'm looking for a NAS that looks roughly like so:

o Very low power usage (~10 watts or less, ideally)
o Can run squid or similar proxy
o Can serve up files like you'd expect as NAS to do
o Can stream media
o Can run Linux or, at least, is customizable

Anybody using anything like this already?

I'm not opposed to rolling my own with mini-itx or the like but I'd
prefer not to.  I do wonder if the proxy requirement is more of a
deal-breaker since most NAS units try to stay strictly in the storage
realm.

One thought is adapting a Pogoplug or Seagate Dockstar or the like.  I'm
not yet sure if that'll do all I want, though.

Any thoughts?
Kurt
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Re: Low power customizable NAS?

2010-10-05 Thread AZ RUNE
I use a modified ASUS 1201N netbook running the N330 Atom Dual Core and the
nVidia Ion graphics.

I modified it to run with 4GB RAM and a 640HDD

It has become my mobile mini-entertainment server. I have it partitioned
with dual boot Ubuntu and Mythbuntu 10.04

When I go home I plug it in to a 42 HD TV and I have it grab my TV via USB
adapter, I can play Wow at 24 fps 1080p on the big screen and while a movie
is playing I can still get stuff done using Twinview and terminal on the the
netbook (love HDMI output).

It also has VGA output and I have used it to save my boss for presentations
at work.  While doing the presentation I showed how to do a basic dualboot
installation in Virtual Box so others could follow along. My company is in
the process of migrating to Linux so everyone had to learn to dual boot.

It is 3.5 pounds and I get 3 hours battery life on gaming or HD tv watching,
streaming to my girlfriends work via https website so she can watch Gordon
Ramsey shows recorded on the Mythbuntu side of the dual boot.

I get just over 4 hours on the intel graphics if I switch it in the BIOS.  I
normally leave it on nVidia though. I also run crossover from codeweavers to
run silverlight and use IE to watch netflix in Ubuntu.

It is a trooper of a machine while I am looking at a quad core for some
specific tasks this machine has allowed me to be very versatile at work and
home in tackling technology issues in day-to-day stuff.

Hope this helps your decision,

Now the question is at what level to settle on.  There's the SheevaPlug
 (and similar) that use up about 10 watts but need more storage and can't
 really handle any notable processing.  Moving up a notch, you can get a
 N270 Atom mini-itx system that also hovers between 10-15 watts but is a
 bit faster and will typically have a much larger (up to 1 TB) hard
 drive.  Then you can move up to an NVIDIA ION system with a dual-core
 Atom and now we're maybe in the 30 watt range but this can handle HD
 output, if necessary.

 Decisions, decisions.  That's why I was kind of hoping that some local
 folks would have used some of these systems and could comment on how
 well they work for them.


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Re: Low power customizable NAS?

2010-10-05 Thread JD Austin
I found this a few minutes ago; complete mini-itx system for $300-$400
http://www.mitxpc.com

Cool idea turning netbook into media center computer ;)

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 21:01, AZ RUNE arizona.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use a modified ASUS 1201N netbook running the N330 Atom Dual Core and the
 nVidia Ion graphics.

 I modified it to run with 4GB RAM and a 640HDD

 It has become my mobile mini-entertainment server. I have it partitioned
 with dual boot Ubuntu and Mythbuntu 10.04

 When I go home I plug it in to a 42 HD TV and I have it grab my TV via USB
 adapter, I can play Wow at 24 fps 1080p on the big screen and while a movie
 is playing I can still get stuff done using Twinview and terminal on the the
 netbook (love HDMI output).

 It also has VGA output and I have used it to save my boss for presentations
 at work.  While doing the presentation I showed how to do a basic dualboot
 installation in Virtual Box so others could follow along. My company is in
 the process of migrating to Linux so everyone had to learn to dual boot.

 It is 3.5 pounds and I get 3 hours battery life on gaming or HD tv
 watching, streaming to my girlfriends work via https website so she can
 watch Gordon Ramsey shows recorded on the Mythbuntu side of the dual boot.

 I get just over 4 hours on the intel graphics if I switch it in the BIOS.
 I normally leave it on nVidia though. I also run crossover from codeweavers
 to run silverlight and use IE to watch netflix in Ubuntu.

 It is a trooper of a machine while I am looking at a quad core for some
 specific tasks this machine has allowed me to be very versatile at work and
 home in tackling technology issues in day-to-day stuff.

 Hope this helps your decision,


  Now the question is at what level to settle on.  There's the SheevaPlug
 (and similar) that use up about 10 watts but need more storage and can't
 really handle any notable processing.  Moving up a notch, you can get a
 N270 Atom mini-itx system that also hovers between 10-15 watts but is a
 bit faster and will typically have a much larger (up to 1 TB) hard
 drive.  Then you can move up to an NVIDIA ION system with a dual-core
 Atom and now we're maybe in the 30 watt range but this can handle HD
 output, if necessary.

 Decisions, decisions.  That's why I was kind of hoping that some local
 folks would have used some of these systems and could comment on how
 well they work for them.


 --
 Brian Fields
 arizona.r...@gmail.com


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OT: A Little Tip for Canon Printers

2010-10-05 Thread Andrew Harris

Hi,

For the past few days, my family has been suffering intolerable  
slowness on our wireless network. It was only on wifi; all the wired  
computers seemed fine. I ran virus scans on the Windows boxen, tried a  
few options on the router (a WRT54GL), and *almost* googled for slow  
Linksys router. But then I opened up Wireshark (yes, I know, that  
should have been my *first* thought).


The first thing I noticed were shitloads of MDNS packets flying by,  
and the router trying to keep up with it all. A scrolling wall of  
crimson with occasional interruptions in Cisco-white. I clicked on one  
of the MDNS packets and saw that it was actually my printer. I yanked  
the powercord from the printer and it all stopped immediately. Our  
printer was attempting to DoS us! Our very own printer! How rude.


I plugged the printer back in and immediately went into the admin  
panel (served on port 80 at the printer's IP address) and disabled  
Bonjour and LPR service notification. I suggest you do the same should  
you purchase a Canon printer with builtin wifi.


Just remember, in the robot uprising, DoS attacks come first. Disable  
Bonjour on your devices before it comes to skeletal robots with  
miniguns mounted on either shoulder.


-ah
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