Re: OT: Teaching at a CC

[Kevin Fries]

As for a degree, the general rule is one degree above the one being sought.
So. A masters would be required for a BS program,  and doctorate to teach in
a MS program.  Some programs will allow industry expeience to stand for
teachers in an AS program in areas that are harder to fill such as CS,
math&  science.

When I taught, I had no degree, but was certified by the state of Colorado
with 1 hrs of documented work in industry.  I was then required to teach
mock classes in front of real students, faculty, and administrators.

I loved my time in the classroom, interacting with the students.  Hated all
the rest.  The only way I for one would ever consider going back to it would
be as a retirement, get out of the house once or twice a week kind of
situation.  For Lisa sugar coated the nightmare of politicking at a modern
college.

I was offered by a major university (Regius University) to finish my degree
and come teach for them, and understand its not as bad at that level, but
choose the corporate world because it was so nasty at the CC.

Good Luck
Kevin

On Nov 18, 2010 12:57 AM, "der.hans"  wrote:

Am 17. Nov, 2010 schwätzte Dan Dubovik so:

moin moin Dan,



> So, I know we have a few instructors at a community college here on the
> list.  Just wondering ...
Wash Phil W's car for a few months ;-).

The community colleges generally require a master's degree to teach. In
some departments, such as the one I'm in, industry experience and
knowledge can stand in lieu of the degree. CSE, math and science will
likely always require a master's degree. There's generally lots of
competition for those as well. CIS might not require the master's degree.

Getting in as part-time faculty can be difficult. Getting on full-time is
far more difficult.

It would have been good to talk to you about this at the Stammtisch last
night :).

I believe GNU/Linux is taught to some level at every community college in
Maricopa County. Randy Larson runs the biggest program over at Estrella
Mountain Community College and is the person most likely to be looking
for instructors. Based on reported limited offerings at the rest of the
community colleges, I believe we have the second largest program at Mesa
Community College.

When I was interviewing at MCC they placed a lot of emphasis on having
prior classroom instruction experience. Being known for group
presentations and good organization might be sufficient if you have a
recommendation from another instructor and the right opening is available.

If you have a master's degree or PhD you might want to also consider UAT,
DeVry, Grand Canyon and UofP.

ciao,

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Re: OT: Teaching at a CC

[Alan Dayley]

WARNING: Tangential comment ahead!

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
...
> I loved my time in the classroom, interacting with the students.  Hated all
> the rest.  The only way I for one would ever consider going back to it would
> be as a retirement, get out of the house once or twice a week kind of
> situation.  For Lisa sugar coated the nightmare of politicking at a modern
> college.
>
> I was offered by a major university (Regius University) to finish my degree
> and come teach for them, and understand its not as bad at that level, but
> choose the corporate world because it was so nasty at the CC.
...

Ugh.

"nightmare of politicking" "nasty"

Makes me sad.  Another reason our current education system needs to change.

http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html

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Re: Westside Stammtisch Details

[Eric Shubert]

Good catch. Same restriction applies to Home Premium.

However, Vista Ultimate (which is what I have btw) has these additional 
terms:
4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may use the software 
installed on
the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware 
system on the licensed
device. If you do so, you may not play or access content or use 
applications protected by
any Microsoft digital, information or enterprise rights management 
technology or other
Microsoft rights management services or use BitLocker. We advise against 
playing or
accessing content or using applications protected by other digital, 
information or enterprise
rights management technology or other rights management services or 
using full volume disk

drive encryption.

When referring to windoze EULAs, it's sometimes important to be specific 
about which "edition" of which version of windoze.


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On 11/18/2010 12:57 AM, AZ RUNE wrote:

That's Home Basic what about Home Premium which is what comes with most
Vista systems?
Brian

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:04 PM, ChasM Marshall mailto:chasm...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Yup, in the foot.  It's AMAZING.

   The official MS site gives out .PDF files for searched products:

http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
I downloaded the Vista Home Premium E.U.L.A. and screenshot this
attached photo.

   As I understand it, XP is still okay for VM.  Don't yet know about 7.

   (-:  Chas.M.  :-)

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Re: OT: Teaching at a CC

[Eric Cope]

I don't speak from personal experience, but based on talking to professors
at ASU, things only get more political the higher you go. Community college
is less political than Universities. Based on those conversations, I agree
that Lisa sugar coated it, and may even have some chocolate syrup on it too!

Eric

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Alan Dayley  wrote:

> WARNING: Tangential comment ahead!
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
> ...
> > I loved my time in the classroom, interacting with the students.  Hated
> all
> > the rest.  The only way I for one would ever consider going back to it
> would
> > be as a retirement, get out of the house once or twice a week kind of
> > situation.  For Lisa sugar coated the nightmare of politicking at a
> modern
> > college.
> >
> > I was offered by a major university (Regius University) to finish my
> degree
> > and come teach for them, and understand its not as bad at that level, but
> > choose the corporate world because it was so nasty at the CC.
> ...
>
> Ugh.
>
> "nightmare of politicking" "nasty"
>
> Makes me sad.  Another reason our current education system needs to change.
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html
>
> Alan
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Re: Westside Stammtisch Details

[Stephen]

They have certainly altered the EULA
http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx

section 3, b. (downloaded pdf from that site) from windows 7
professional, and its the same with Win Vista Home Premium

"Use with Virtualization Technologies. Instead of using the software
directly on the licensed computer, you may install and use the
software within only one virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware
system on the licensed computer. When used in a virtualized
environment, content protected by digital rights management
technology, BitLocker or any full volume disk drive encryption
technology may not be as secure as protected content not in a
virtualized environment. You should comply with all domestic and
international laws that apply to such protected content."

That was as of today.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, ChasM Marshall  wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
> -
> BL, if MS doesn't allow Windoze to be run under (other) VM hosts,
> I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
> -
>
> Yup, in the foot.  It's AMAZING.
>
>   The official MS site gives out .PDF files for searched products:
> http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
> I downloaded the Vista Home Premium E.U.L.A. and screenshot this attached
> photo.
>
>   As I understand it, XP is still okay for VM.  I don't yet know about 7.
>
>   (-:  Chas.M.  :-)
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Re: OT: Teaching at a CC

[Benjamin Francom]

Do small city colleges suffer the same fate?   I have a brother that
works for a small state college in UT, teaching CS and IT courses, and
he loves it.  Pay/retirement/time off is excellent, and has politics
like any job would have.

Is it worse in larger cities? Is this case the exception? Or are CS/IT
folk less inclined to play politics?

>From my experience, "The top two OSI layers are politics and money"
and are more important than the other 7.

(I can't remember where I read that quote)

-Ben

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Eric Cope  wrote:
> I don't speak from personal experience, but based on talking to professors
> at ASU, things only get more political the higher you go. Community college
> is less political than Universities. Based on those conversations, I agree
> that Lisa sugar coated it, and may even have some chocolate syrup on it too!
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Alan Dayley  wrote:
>>
>> WARNING: Tangential comment ahead!
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
>> ...
>> > I loved my time in the classroom, interacting with the students.  Hated
>> > all
>> > the rest.  The only way I for one would ever consider going back to it
>> > would
>> > be as a retirement, get out of the house once or twice a week kind of
>> > situation.  For Lisa sugar coated the nightmare of politicking at a
>> > modern
>> > college.
>> >
>> > I was offered by a major university (Regius University) to finish my
>> > degree
>> > and come teach for them, and understand its not as bad at that level,
>> > but
>> > choose the corporate world because it was so nasty at the CC.
>> ...
>>
>> Ugh.
>>
>> "nightmare of politicking" "nasty"
>>
>> Makes me sad.  Another reason our current education system needs to
>> change.
>>
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html
>>
>> Alan
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Re: New Linux patch improves scheduler... by allot

[Dazed_75]

Apparently we do not need to wait.  Users can do the equivalent now and
fairly easily.  Linus still wants to do the kernel patch for reasons you
have to read way into the comments to see.  Be aware that ununtu users have
slightly different instructions.

http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html

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December HackFest Lab Joins InstallFest

[Lisa Kachold]

Linux Security Team Lab

   - View 
   - Edit 
   - Track 

 The *Event* has been updated.
 Start: 2010 Dec 4 - 11:59
End: 2010 Dec 4 - 15:59
Timezone: Etc/GMT-7

For December the Linux Security Team will be joining the InstallFest crew
for social engineering, systems tuneup, USB builds and cross training.

This is the place to get your Dell P11 Latitude or [>3GB] USB drive built up
with Backtrack4 R2!

Start: 2010 Dec 11 - 10:00
End: 2010 Dec 11 - 16:00
Timezone: Etc/GMT-7

Where: University of Advancing Technology: 2625 W. Baseline Tempe, AZ 85283

(South side of Baseline Road west of I-10 roughly 2-3 blocks west of Fry's
Electronics).  Room 208

The monthly Installfest is co-sponsored by PLUG and the AZloco  &&
PLUG Hackfest

Sony VAIO presentation VMWare  system generously
provided by Obnosis

Past Presentations:
September's BT4 (Kachold) Presentation 
October's 802.11 Wireless BT4 (Kachold)
Presentation
November's SSLStrip MP4 (Fields)
PresentationA
SSLStrip PPT (Fields) PresentationB 
May DesertCodeCamp MetaSploit (Kachold)
Metasploit.pdf
MetaSploit.pptx 


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Re: New Linux patch improves scheduler... by allot

[Stephen]

thats actually a noticeable difference. Did this on a laptop at work
(D630 running ubuntu 10.10)

and it feels better allready.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> Apparently we do not need to wait.  Users can do the equivalent now and
> fairly easily.  Linus still wants to do the kernel patch for reasons you
> have to read way into the comments to see.  Be aware that ununtu users have
> slightly different instructions.
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html
>
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Re: [PLUG-applications] December HackFest Lab Joins InstallFest

[Dazed_75]

Lisa,
I found this somewhat confusing.  I THINK it means that you have decided to
do your Security Team Lab on the 11th during my Installfest instead of on
the 4th as it still seems to be scheduled on the PLUG web site.  And if I am
correct, do you have any idea how many people to expect?  Will you need any
facilities access in addition to what we normally have?

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Linux Security Team Lab
>
>- View 
>- Edit 
>- Track 
>
>  The *Event* has been updated.
>  Start: 2010 Dec 4 - 11:59
> End: 2010 Dec 4 - 15:59
> Timezone: Etc/GMT-7
>
> For December the Linux Security Team will be joining the InstallFest crew
> for social engineering, systems tuneup, USB builds and cross training.
>
> This is the place to get your Dell P11 Latitude or [>3GB] USB drive built
> up with Backtrack4 R2!
>
> Start: 2010 Dec 11 - 10:00
> End: 2010 Dec 11 - 16:00
> Timezone: Etc/GMT-7
>
> Where: University of Advancing Technology: 2625 W. Baseline Tempe, AZ 85283
>
> (South side of Baseline Road west of I-10 roughly 2-3 blocks west of Fry's
> Electronics).  Room 208
>
> The monthly Installfest is co-sponsored by PLUG and the AZloco  &&
> PLUG Hackfest
>
> Sony VAIO presentation VMWare  system generously
> provided by Obnosis
>
> Past Presentations:
> September's BT4 (Kachold) Presentation 
> October's 802.11 Wireless BT4 (Kachold) 
> Presentation
> November's SSLStrip MP4 (Fields) 
> PresentationA
> SSLStrip PPT (Fields) PresentationB 
> May DesertCodeCamp MetaSploit (Kachold) 
> Metasploit.pdf
> MetaSploit.pptx 
>
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Re: OT: Teaching at a CC

[Phillip Waclawski]

For the record, I own a truck not a car. ;) 
Phil W. 

- Original Message -
From: "der.hans"  
To: "Main PLUG discussion list"  
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 1:04:12 AM 
Subject: Re: OT: Teaching at a CC 

Am 17. Nov, 2010 schwätzte Dan Dubovik so: 

moin moin Dan, 

> So, I know we have a few instructors at a community college here on the 
> list. Just wondering what the requirements are to obtain said job. Do 
> you need to teach a certain number of classes? What level of degree is 
> required? It's something I'd like to do eventually, and would like to 
> know what is needed to get there. 

Wash Phil W's car for a few months ;-). 

The community colleges generally require a master's degree to teach. In 
some departments, such as the one I'm in, industry experience and 
knowledge can stand in lieu of the degree. CSE, math and science will 
likely always require a master's degree. There's generally lots of 
competition for those as well. CIS might not require the master's degree. 

Getting in as part-time faculty can be difficult. Getting on full-time is 
far more difficult. 

It would have been good to talk to you about this at the Stammtisch last 
night :). 

I believe GNU/Linux is taught to some level at every community college in 
Maricopa County. Randy Larson runs the biggest program over at Estrella 
Mountain Community College and is the person most likely to be looking 
for instructors. Based on reported limited offerings at the rest of the 
community colleges, I believe we have the second largest program at Mesa 
Community College. 

When I was interviewing at MCC they placed a lot of emphasis on having 
prior classroom instruction experience. Being known for group 
presentations and good organization might be sufficient if you have a 
recommendation from another instructor and the right opening is available. 

If you have a master's degree or PhD you might want to also consider UAT, 
DeVry, Grand Canyon and UofP. 

ciao, 

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Phoenix Linux Security Team Schedule/Venue Change for 2011

[Lisa Kachold]

Starting in January 2011, The Phoenix Linux Security Team will be moving to
Gangplankhq.com on every other Wednesday night, from 18:00 (6PM) to 21:00
(9:00).

We will be sharing the great Chandler Gangplank facilities with their
community crew for "HackNight" which is not really security specific.
For our security labs, we will setup our own Wifi as needed.
For our Presentations, we have smaller rooms as well as a new overhead
projector and audio.
We also have a great deal of equipment that has been donated that we can use
in the way of hubs for 802.3 networking.
For those of us with the ability to tether our 802.1 networks to a jail
broken device, for a socks proxy, we might setup '"external" network views
with ip forwarding to a hub for fun.

Everyone felt that this would allow more people to get a real team working
together.  While the distance to Chandler is prohibitive, we will still be
carpooling.  We also have the ability to demonstrate network specific things
and use backtrack for LIVE presentations, rather than being constrained by
the HIPPA compliant network at JCL.

We will no longer be using the facilities at John C. Lincoln Hospital's
Cowden Center in North Phoenix.
We will no longer be meeting on Saturday or Tuesday but the 1st and 3rd
Wednesday.

We really want to thank everyone over at Gangplankhq.com for allowing
community to florish!

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Re: [PLUG-applications] December HackFest Lab Joins InstallFest

[Lisa Kachold]

Yes, we are going to join you at UAT on the 11th.

NO, we don't need anything special and we will be happy to assist anyone who
would like help with any build, especially Backtrack4R2.

I have more than a few biuld USB keys with distros for Notebooks without a
DVD/CD.
Although we are sure you have everything in the way of equipment for builds
and all the staff you might need for assisting the public.

Since a great deal of our time every other week is spent building tools for
people attending once in a while and teaching people how to startup a build
and configure their video and determine their ethernet card type (for
airmon/airsnarf/airpwn) and it's just in time for Christmas, we will be
joining you. Note: We will not be engaging in any network "monitoring",
identification, or encroachment/pentesting or bringing any flags.

Next year our Hackfests move to Gangplankhq on Wednesday nights.


On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Lisa,
> I found this somewhat confusing.  I THINK it means that you have decided to
> do your Security Team Lab on the 11th during my Installfest instead of on
> the 4th as it still seems to be scheduled on the PLUG web site.  And if I am
> correct, do you have any idea how many people to expect?  Will you need any
> facilities access in addition to what we normally have?
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> Linux Security Team Lab
>>
>>- View 
>>- Edit 
>>- Track 
>>
>>  The *Event* has been updated.
>>  Start: 2010 Dec 4 - 11:59
>> End: 2010 Dec 4 - 15:59
>> Timezone: Etc/GMT-7
>>
>> For December the Linux Security Team will be joining the InstallFest crew
>> for social engineering, systems tuneup, USB builds and cross training.
>>
>> This is the place to get your Dell P11 Latitude or [>3GB] USB drive built
>> up with Backtrack4 R2!
>>
>> Start: 2010 Dec 11 - 10:00
>> End: 2010 Dec 11 - 16:00
>> Timezone: Etc/GMT-7
>>
>> Where: University of Advancing Technology: 2625 W. Baseline Tempe, AZ
>> 85283
>>
>> (South side of Baseline Road west of I-10 roughly 2-3 blocks west of Fry's
>> Electronics).  Room 208
>>
>> The monthly Installfest is co-sponsored by PLUG and the AZloco  &&
>> PLUG Hackfest
>>
>> Sony VAIO presentation VMWare  system generously
>> provided by Obnosis
>>
>> Past Presentations:
>> September's BT4 (Kachold) Presentation 
>> October's 802.11 Wireless BT4 (Kachold) 
>> Presentation
>> November's SSLStrip MP4 (Fields) 
>> PresentationA
>> SSLStrip PPT (Fields) PresentationB 
>> May DesertCodeCamp MetaSploit (Kachold) 
>> Metasploit.pdf
>> MetaSploit.pptx 
>>
>>
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>>
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