Re: Hackfest Schedule for November & December

[Dazed_75]

Wired and wireless both

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

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> No Larry, we don't have very many people at the labs.
>
> The presentations are on a another day.
>
> Do we have wireless available?
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> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
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>> In fact, the regular installfest is the LAST Saturday each month except in
>> Nov-Dec.  I have requested December 3 but have not yet heard back from UAT.
>>
>> The Server Installfest is the 2ND TO LAST Saturday every month.
>>
>> We would be happy to have you join us though we should talk about what
>> your needs are and how many people as we sometimes get a bit crowded in room
>> 208.  Also it is sometimes rather noisy if you are wanting to do
>> presentations.
>>
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>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Lisa Kachold 
>> wrote:
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>>> Yes, it's the 2nd Saturday in December or whenever the UAT installfest
>>> meets that month.
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>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Lisa Kachold 
>>> wrote:
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 December 3, then.

 On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Lisa, December 2 is a Friday.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Lisa Kachold  > wrote:
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>> The next HackFest will be a Presentation event the 2nd Saturday in
>> November at MakerBench in Tempe 3PM-6PM.  Gangplank is closed or booked 
>> on
>> the weekends in November and December, so we will meet with the 
>> Installfest
>> staring in November at UAT.  It's on the 19th in November: 
>> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/calendar/month.calendar/2011/11/17/-.html
>> from Noon - 3PM.
>>
>> The December 2nd Saturday Hackfest will occur as usual in Tempe at
>> MakerBench 3PM-6PM.
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Re: Problems with RAID build in ubuntu Server 10.04

[James Dugger]

Matt, Eric thanks for your thoughts.  Sorry for the confusion my mdadm code
reference was wrong the device names actually updated from first install to
reboot.  The boot drive is the smaller 500GB HDD (not a part of the raid).
Ubuntu renamed it to sde from sda after reboot. I found an ARRAY device call
for md3 in the mdadm.conf file.  Once I renamed the mdadm.conf file and
rebooted, a cat /proc/mdstat showed no raid devices active.  I then zeroed
the drives using dd and started over. I built a new raid10 with the device
name md4 (just to be sure).  So far the mdstat recognizes the array and
--examine shows no errors in the array.

Thanks again for you thoughts.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Matt Graham wrote:

> From: Eric Shubert 
> > On 10/19/2011 01:06 AM, James Dugger wrote:
> >> fdisk -l gives the following:
> >> /dev/sda1 1 121601 976760001 83 Linux
> >> /dev/sdb1 1 121601 976760001 83 Linux
> >> /dev/sdc1 1 121601 976760001 83 Linux
> >> /dev/sdd1 1 121601 976760001 83 Linux
>
> >> /dev/sde1 * 1 32 248832 83 Linux
> >> /dev/sde2 32 60802 488134657 5 Extended
> >> /dev/sde5 32 60802 488134656 8e Linux LVM
>
> So sde contains /boot and / , while you'd like to have sda..sdd contain the
> RAID.  This should work, but for some reason mdadm says:
>
> >> 0 0 8 49 0 active sync /dev/sdd1
> >> 1 1 8 33 1 active sync /dev/sdc1
> >> 2 2 8 17 2 active sync /dev/sdb1
> >> 3 3 8 65 3 active sync /dev/sde1
>
> I'm very surprised anything's working at all if it's trying to use sde1 as
> a
> component of the RAID.
>
> >> Notice the md3 device at the bottom of the fdisk print out.
>
> md devices can contain partition tables if you really want them to.  Some
> people do this; I wouldn't.
>
> > Looks like from the --examine that the device assignments (/dev/sd?)
> > have moved around since the array was created (sda belongs to an array
> > consisting of d,c,b,e).
>
> Hm.  I thought mdadm went by UUIDs within the RAID superblocks, not
> partition
> names.
>
> > Have a look at:
> > # ls -l /dev/disk/by_id
> > and it'll show which drives are assigned to which /dev/sd? letter.
> >
> > Then (w/out rebooting) take another crack at clearing things out, with:
> > # mdadm --zero-superblock ...
>
> > Then re-create/build the array.
>
> This may not work properly if mdadm has the superblocks tangled up.  You
> could
> zorch the superblocks yourself with dd, something like "dd if=/dev/zero
> of=/dev/sda bs=1M seek=1013760" , repeated for each of the disks.  (That's
> "seek 990G out and start writing zeroes", it'll take a lot less time than
> dding /dev/zero over the entire 1T disk.)  Then stop md3 (if possible
> without
> rebooting), then recreate it, using the right options for RAID10 and the
> right
> disk names.  I'd change the partition types of the softRAID components to
> 0xfd
> too, just because that makes it a little clearer as to what's going on, but
> that may be old-school or deprecated now or something.
>
> Have a rescue CD handy if your /boot has been eaten by this mdadm
> misadventure.  That's workaroundable, just not usually all that fun.
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OT; phone argument

[betty]

I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are all 
-younger than me and know more about this stuff, and like me, - like the 
philosophy of open source.


Not that either of these choices is open source but here is the 
question; I currently use a palm Pre and have used palm for many years. 
If by next year someone doesn't pick up webOS I will want to choose 
between an android and an iphone. I lean toward android because it is 
NOT an apple product. But my son, who is your age, i imagine, has an 
iphone and says he doesn't trust google with his contacts etc.
I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a fact of life 
of the internet that there is no real security. Besides what is to trust 
more with apple than google?

What part of the argument am i missing here?
Thanks for your input.

i use my phone in my businesses and personal life.  i use it for 
tracking for taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a lot. i am so 
sad that hp gave up on web OS.

thank you

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Re: OT; phone argument

[Stephen]

You can chooseto use Google for contact management or not. If you have Your
own server you can attach that via a number of technologies

I prefer android because of the open source half and currently use
CyanogenMod because it is built-up from the android opensource.

I personally love android for its form function and versatility. I use the
Google contacts for mypersonal uses just fine. But for business it would be
my own server and likely a funambol or similar technology linking my device.
On Oct 22, 2011 3:40 PM, "betty"  wrote:

> I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are all -younger
> than me and know more about this stuff, and like me, - like the philosophy
> of open source.
>
> Not that either of these choices is open source but here is the question; I
> currently use a palm Pre and have used palm for many years. If by next year
> someone doesn't pick up webOS I will want to choose between an android and
> an iphone. I lean toward android because it is NOT an apple product. But my
> son, who is your age, i imagine, has an iphone and says he doesn't trust
> google with his contacts etc.
> I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a fact of life of
> the internet that there is no real security. Besides what is to trust more
> with apple than google?
> What part of the argument am i missing here?
> Thanks for your input.
>
> i use my phone in my businesses and personal life.  i use it for tracking
> for taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a lot. i am so sad that hp
> gave up on web OS.
> thank you
>
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Re: OT; phone argument

[keith smith]

I think you underestimate the list.  I think most people think those in 
technology are younger.  I too make that assumption sometime, even though I am 
older, and then I see a picture of a group that created something like Java and 
they are all old men with grey beards.

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From: betty 
Subject: OT; phone argument
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Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 3:41 PM

I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are all -younger than 
me and know more about this stuff, and like me, - like the philosophy of open 
source.

Not that either of these choices is open source but here is the question; I 
currently use a palm Pre and have used palm for many years. If by next year 
someone doesn't pick up webOS I will want to choose between an android and an 
iphone. I lean toward android because it is NOT an apple product. But my son, 
who is your age, i imagine, has an iphone and says he doesn't trust google with 
his contacts etc.
I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a fact of life of the 
internet that there is no real security. Besides what is to trust more with 
apple than google?
What part of the argument am i missing here?
Thanks for your input.

i use my phone in my businesses and personal life.  i use it for tracking for 
taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a lot. i am so sad that hp gave up on 
web OS.
thank you

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Re: OT; phone argument

[Kevin Fries]

I may be a little gullible but I look at it this way:

As evil empires go, Google has been far less oppressive than the
alternatives.

Google cornered a market, turned it into a bunch of products designed to
make them money by selling you tools to make money also.  They invest huge
sums of money in new product development through a yearly program called
Summer of Code.  And what these people develop they get to keep and market.
They developed an OS for portable devices and gave it away... mostly.  Let
be honest, these guys are not saints, but they appear to see your success as
the key to there success.

Apple is also very keen in innovation.  But they have just lost their
creative key.  Even with him, they held everything very close to their
wallet.  Apple went to war with anyone developed apps that Apple wanted to
develop, people that tried getting around their app store, and anyone making
comparable equipment.  Apple seems to see you as able to make money, only
when they can lock you into a license, and keep you controlled.

So, as evil empires go... I for one is far less afraid of Google than I am
of Apple.

Just my $0.02

Kevin
On Oct 22, 2011 4:40 PM, "betty"  wrote:

> I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are all -younger
> than me and know more about this stuff, and like me, - like the philosophy
> of open source.
>
> Not that either of these choices is open source but here is the question; I
> currently use a palm Pre and have used palm for many years. If by next year
> someone doesn't pick up webOS I will want to choose between an android and
> an iphone. I lean toward android because it is NOT an apple product. But my
> son, who is your age, i imagine, has an iphone and says he doesn't trust
> google with his contacts etc.
> I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a fact of life of
> the internet that there is no real security. Besides what is to trust more
> with apple than google?
> What part of the argument am i missing here?
> Thanks for your input.
>
> i use my phone in my businesses and personal life.  i use it for tracking
> for taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a lot. i am so sad that hp
> gave up on web OS.
> thank you
>
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Re: OT; phone argument

[Michael Havens]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>  something like Java and they are all old men with grey beards.
>


 You need a better example. Java is from 94. That means he was in his 30s or
40s when he wrote it.

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Re: OT; phone argument

[Adam McCullough]

I have to echo Kevin's statement. I'm far less afraid of Google than Apple.
Apple's approach is borderline fascist in my opinion, but Google has had a
much better track record of being up front and honest when they need to make
a mandate.

That being said, I'd love to know more about how to run my own contact
management server like Stephen mentioned. :)

Adam

On 22 October 2011 16:15, Michael Havens  wrote:

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> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, keith smith wrote:
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>>  something like Java and they are all old men with grey beards.
>>
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Re: OT; phone argument

[Stephen]

If I can get a 2u case I'd be running one now. Gotta love friends that admin
isp's
On Oct 22, 2011 4:25 PM, "Adam McCullough"  wrote:

> I have to echo Kevin's statement. I'm far less afraid of Google than Apple.
> Apple's approach is borderline fascist in my opinion, but Google has had a
> much better track record of being up front and honest when they need to make
> a mandate.
>
> That being said, I'd love to know more about how to run my own contact
> management server like Stephen mentioned. :)
>
> Adam
>
> On 22 October 2011 16:15, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:52 PM, keith smith wrote:
>>
>>>  something like Java and they are all old men with grey beards.
>>>
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>>  You need a better example. Java is from 94. That means he was in his 30s
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Re: OT; phone argument

[Nathan England]

This is, in my opinion, a really good response. I do not trust Google
much, but I also look as them as a company that is going to use what
they can of mine to make money. So in a sense I trust them because I
know what they are going to do. I have an HTC Hero that I put
Cyanogenmod on about two weeks after I got it and loved it. Now, I have
finally upgraded to a new Galaxy S and I setup my Hero for my daughter
to use as a handheld game system. I wiped the phone, installed
Cyanogenmod and never logged into a Google account. The phone is
completely usable and has not a single Google app on it. Of course, I
needed some apps for my daughter, so I put the Amazon market on it for
some of the games I have purchased, then I added the Google stuff for
the market apps that amazon does not have.

My point is, the phone was fully usable with amazon market and NO GOOGLE
dependencies at all.

Purchase a phone that is listed on the hardware compatibility list of
Cyanogenmod and flash the phone if you are really worried. Either way, I
would trust Google a LOT more than Apple. With their creative force
gone, they are going to fall back into the "let's make money the only
way a corporate structure knows how" mode and begin selling off personal
data and suing everyone in sight. Granted they supposedly have 4 years
worth of new products, I bet they put them all out in a year!

Nathan


On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 17:04 -0600, Kevin Fries wrote:
> I may be a little gullible but I look at it this way: 
> 
> As evil empires go, Google has been far less oppressive than the
> alternatives.
> 
> Google cornered a market, turned it into a bunch of products designed
> to make them money by selling you tools to make money also.  They
> invest huge sums of money in new product development through a yearly
> program called Summer of Code.  And what these people develop they get
> to keep and market.  They developed an OS for portable devices and
> gave it away... mostly.  Let be honest, these guys are not saints, but
> they appear to see your success as the key to there success.
> 
> Apple is also very keen in innovation.  But they have just lost their
> creative key.  Even with him, they held everything very close to their
> wallet.  Apple went to war with anyone developed apps that Apple
> wanted to develop, people that tried getting around their app store,
> and anyone making comparable equipment.  Apple seems to see you as
> able to make money, only when they can lock you into a license, and
> keep you controlled.
> 
> So, as evil empires go... I for one is far less afraid of Google than
> I am of Apple.
> 
> Just my $0.02
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On Oct 22, 2011 4:40 PM, "betty"  wrote:
> I know this is totally OT but am asking here because you are
> all -younger than me and know more about this stuff, and like
> me, - like the philosophy of open source.
> 
> Not that either of these choices is open source but here is
> the question; I currently use a palm Pre and have used palm
> for many years. If by next year someone doesn't pick up webOS
> I will want to choose between an android and an iphone. I lean
> toward android because it is NOT an apple product. But my son,
> who is your age, i imagine, has an iphone and says he doesn't
> trust google with his contacts etc.
> I don't trust anyone but that is beside the point, it is a
> fact of life of the internet that there is no real security.
> Besides what is to trust more with apple than google?
> What part of the argument am i missing here?
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> i use my phone in my businesses and personal life.  i use it
> for tracking for taxes and calendar. i use it when i drive a
> lot. i am so sad that hp gave up on web OS.
> thank you
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