Re: Seeking a concise Linux installation checklist
Thinking about it, Fedora 16 has an XFCE and LXDE spin and they now do install form a live CD so you can grab and try out what you want first. http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options I was pretty happy with 16 under the hood once i got used to fedora again. or you could get really out there and try Xen Client2 not 100% Foss, but you can install and run for free and get bare metal desktop virtualization maybe. http://www.citrix.com/English/ps2/products/product.asp?contentID=2300325 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:51 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I actually have two old reliable systems. One is about a 5-year-old Mandriva, but unfailingly stable). The other is PCLinuxOS 2009 with KDE 3.5. It is by far the best system I have ever used or seen. I have PCLinuxOS 2011 on another system, just updated it today to 2012, and the latest version of KDE 4 is still a frustrating annoyance. I've tried Gnome, LXDE, and several others, none of which I like. I've tried dozens of other supposedly stable distros, never anything new and cutting edge. I prefer Redhat based. Never have liked ubuntu/kbuntu based systems, though I've tried several. Except an older verion of Mint. But even the newer versions of Mint seem too cluttered, glitzy, and bloated to me. KDE 3.5 was excellent. KDE 4 has always been a frustrating disaster imho. -- I was thinking the same question. If VB won't run on old reliable, then find a new reliable that's as close as possible to old reliable (afa the desktop goes), run new reliable on bare iron, and run everything else as VMs under VBox. FWIW, I've been running Ubuntu 10.4 LTS since 10.10 or so and it's been very stable. I run VMware Player instead of VirtualBox, but I think you'd be just as happy with VB. Maybe your problem is that the new distros you've been trying are too new. Seriously. Pick one that's had a chance for the bugs to settle out of it. Like I said, I didn't install Ubuntu 10.4 until 6 months or so after it came out. The bleeding edge is not a pleasant place to be for many of us. -- -Eric 'shubes' On 03/06/2012 06:53 PM, Stephen wrote: What was old reliable? On Mar 6, 2012 5:39 PM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: == Eric last wrote: You certainly do want your base OS which runs on the HW to be as reliable as possible. Any reason why you can't put your old reliable distro on the bare iron, then run VB on that with everything else as VMs? That's what I would shoot for. It is my understanding that my old reliable system is too old to get VB/VM working on it. I can do everything else on old reliable and it works incredibly much faster, more efficiently, and absolutely without problems ... whereas every newer distro I have tried has given me fits. I detest KDE4 and I detest updates that inevitably break something. I just did an update on one of my newer boxes and, sure enough after the update the system locked up, the keyboard lights started blinking, and I had a dickens of a time getting it to boot up. I have tried more than a dozen different newer distros and every time ... EVERY time, that has brought annoying problems. Whereas old reliable (which I have on three other boxes) NEVER breaks, NEVER fails me, NEVER causes me any frustrations. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Google play with the customer base
moin moin, what is Google play? Replacement for Google market? Guess it's Google learning from KDE, specifically Aaron Seigo's Make Play Live project :). Ha, the help center article Google points to doesn't exist. http://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/bin/answer.py?hl=deanswer=2490014 Die von Ihnen angeforderten Informationen wurden leider nicht gefunden. Durchsuchen Sie bitte die Hilfe. We're sorry, but the information you've requested cannot be found. Please try searching or browsing the Help Center. Ok, looks like it is official and not some man in the middle thing. http://play.google.com/about/features/ http://www.chip.de/news/Google-Play-Android-bekommt-neuen-Appstore_54923425.html Annoying that it requires 4 different terms of service. Guess they didn't consolidate that down... ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf: http://www.ABLEconf.com/2012/Phoenix/Schedule # Saturday, March 24th @ UAT in Tempe - Free Software for Free Enterprise # Every person who has mastered a profession is a skeptic concerning it. # -- George Bernard Shaw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Google play with the customer base
Google Market offered apps. Google Play adds the ability to rent and purchase music, movies, video and other media along with the apps. So, a new name. Alan - Reply message - From: der.hans pl...@lufthans.com To: quatsch PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Google play with the customer base Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:34 pm moin moin, what is Google play? Replacement for Google market? Guess it's Google learning from KDE, specifically Aaron Seigo's Make Play Live project :). Ha, the help center article Google points to doesn't exist. http://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/bin/answer.py?hl=deanswer=2490014 Die von Ihnen angeforderten Informationen wurden leider nicht gefunden. Durchsuchen Sie bitte die Hilfe. We're sorry, but the information you've requested cannot be found. Please try searching or browsing the Help Center. Ok, looks like it is official and not some man in the middle thing. http://play.google.com/about/features/ http://www.chip.de/news/Google-Play-Android-bekommt-neuen-Appstore_54923425.html Annoying that it requires 4 different terms of service. Guess they didn't consolidate that down... ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf: http://www.ABLEconf.com/2012/Phoenix/Schedule # Saturday, March 24th @ UAT in Tempe - Free Software for Free Enterprise # Every person who has mastered a profession is a skeptic concerning it. # -- George Bernard Shaw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Google play with the customer base
every bodies got to make a buck! On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:55 PM, aday...@gmail.com aday...@gmail.com wrote: Google Market offered apps. Google Play adds the ability to rent and purchase music, movies, video and other media along with the apps. So, a new name. Alan - Reply message - From: der.hans pl...@lufthans.com To: quatsch PLUG-discuss@lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us Subject: Google play with the customer base Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 2:34 pm moin moin, what is Google play? Replacement for Google market? Guess it's Google learning from KDE, specifically Aaron Seigo's Make Play Live project :). Ha, the help center article Google points to doesn't exist. http://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/bin/answer.py?hl=deanswer=2490014 Die von Ihnen angeforderten Informationen wurden leider nicht gefunden. Durchsuchen Sie bitte die Hilfe. We're sorry, but the information you've requested cannot be found. Please try searching or browsing the Help Center. Ok, looks like it is official and not some man in the middle thing. http://play.google.com/about/features/ http://www.chip.de/news/Google-Play-Android-bekommt-neuen-Appstore_54923425.html Annoying that it requires 4 different terms of service. Guess they didn't consolidate that down... ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf: http://www.ABLEconf.com/2012/Phoenix/Schedule # Saturday, March 24th @ UAT in Tempe - Free Software for Free Enterprise # Every person who has mastered a profession is a skeptic concerning it. # -- George Bernard Shaw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Google play with the customer base
Am 07. Mar, 2012 schwätzte aday...@gmail.com so: Google Market offered apps. Google Play adds the ability to rent and purchase music, movies, video and other media along with the apps. So, a new name. And a bunch of new agreements. At first I thought I'd hit the wrong button, then I wondered if it was a man in the middle attack. Now I'm mostly just annoyed at the presumption that I want to read 4 legal documents on a phone :). ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ # ABLEconf: http://www.ABLEconf.com/2012/Phoenix/Schedule # Saturday, March 24th @ UAT in Tempe - Free Software for Free Enterprise # If you're not learning, you're not living. - der.hans--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
GIT and Github - howto.
Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
The need for source file locking is often an indicator of a problem. Three likely ones: 1. Developers are not communicating enough. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. Fix the reason file locking is needed instead of diminishing the ability to get work done. Alan On Mar 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com* wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com /mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com Thanks James. What is everyone else doing[?] I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Lock-modify-check in-unlock is the old way, dude. You can *do* that using SVN, but you're discouraged from doing so repeatedly in the documentation. Apparently, now you're supposed to grab everything, modify things, then merge, handling conflicts/breakage via your brain. This makes it easier to modify parts of a huge project. (It can create problems for small projects with few developers, but who cares about those projects, anyway?) Note that these problems were also present in older things like CVS, but CVS is very infra dig now because it's so annoying to move/rename things in CVS. If you *need* exclusive locking, git is the wrong source-code versioning system to use. But as Alan said, you probably don't need exclusive locking as much as you think. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
Thanks Alan, 1. Developers are not communicating enough. - I was hoping to reduce the need to verify each time I need a file or a group of files. This can be rather time consuming especially when we work when we want and may have a last minute task to fix or modify something that takes minutes. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) - There is a little of this going on. Sometimes you get what you get and you do not have the luxury to rewrite massive amounts of code. 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. - From my experience, especially in the PHP world this is the nature of almost all the code I have seen. In the end it looks like we will just have to communicate more. 17 years ago I worked with a company that used Visual Source Safe. There was 4 of us and a lead. On a number of occasions it it saved us from stepping on someone else's modifications. I'm not sure how you can track the work of 4 people working all day on small modifications to an existing system without spending a lot of time coordinating. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 3/7/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 5:31 PM The need for source file locking is often an indicator of a problem. Three likely ones: 1. Developers are not communicating enough.2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. Fix the reason file locking is needed instead of diminishing the ability to get work done. Alan On Mar 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we have not had any occasion to step on what they other guy is doing. The two of us will be taking on a project that will require us to work within the same code set. What we need to achieve is a way to checkout a PHP file work on it and then check it back in. While the file is checked no one else should be able to use it. I've been reading about GIT, however it is not clear if I can use it this way. Your guidance is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss--- PLUG-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
More like an old dude trying to learn a new trick. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and guiding me down the right path. It is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- On Wed, 3/7/12, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: From: Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 5:43 PM From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com Thanks James. What is everyone else doing[?] I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Lock-modify-check in-unlock is the old way, dude. You can *do* that using SVN, but you're discouraged from doing so repeatedly in the documentation. Apparently, now you're supposed to grab everything, modify things, then merge, handling conflicts/breakage via your brain. This makes it easier to modify parts of a huge project. (It can create problems for small projects with few developers, but who cares about those projects, anyway?) Note that these problems were also present in older things like CVS, but CVS is very infra dig now because it's so annoying to move/rename things in CVS. If you *need* exclusive locking, git is the wrong source-code versioning system to use. But as Alan said, you probably don't need exclusive locking as much as you think. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GIT and Github - howto.
1. Software development IS communication. To make it otherwise is to make it harder than it should be. Seems you either wait to ask for a file or you wait to see when the file is unlocked. Or you change how you work as a team such that asking is usually answered right away. 2. Don't rewrite, separate and organize. For example: One function per file. Or five per file or something like that. This will increase the granularity of the files and decrease the chance that two people will want the same file at the same time. Not knowing your code, even this simple rule could be a bit difficult to do. It's still easier than being locked out of files when you need them or wiping out the other developers modifications. 3. Poor craftsmanship has a high cost, yes. All my experience with VSS tallies up to calling it barely usable. It did file locking by default and has thus trained many developers that locking is a necessity. CVS was invented years before VSS and it has strong merging capability. The C stands for concurrent, after all! IMO file locking is a brute force bandage hiding other incorrect practices that developers don't think hurts the work and product. Sorry to steer the conversation away from your question. I don't know what alternatives to Git do file locking since I don't use that feature, even if it is available. Alan On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:19 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Alan, 1. Developers are not communicating enough. - I was hoping to reduce the need to verify each time I need a file or a group of files. This can be rather time consuming especially when we work when we want and may have a last minute task to fix or modify something that takes minutes. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) - There is a little of this going on. Sometimes you get what you get and you do not have the luxury to rewrite massive amounts of code. 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. - From my experience, especially in the PHP world this is the nature of almost all the code I have seen. In the end it looks like we will just have to communicate more. 17 years ago I worked with a company that used Visual Source Safe. There was 4 of us and a lead. On a number of occasions it it saved us from stepping on someone else's modifications. I'm not sure how you can track the work of 4 people working all day on small modifications to an existing system without spending a lot of time coordinating. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 5:31 PM The need for source file locking is often an indicator of a problem. Three likely ones: 1. Developers are not communicating enough. 2. The source file organization needs improvement (files too big, unlike functions/methods in the same file, etc.) 3. The architecture of the product, and therefore the code, is suboptimal. Fix the reason file locking is needed instead of diminishing the ability to get work done. Alan On Mar 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks James. What is everyone else doing. I'm sure others have had the problem of needing to check out code so others cannot modify the file. Keith Smith --- On *Wed, 3/7/12, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com * wrote: From: James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jmc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: GIT and Github - howto. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.ushttp://mc/compose?to=plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2012, 4:51 PM Git doesn't really allow file locking. You'd have to have some good communication to prevent working on the same file. Or... You can use the merge process. If the other person updates a file, pushes to the repo, and you try to pull it in after you've updated same file, you will be told you need to merge. That can get messy, but git has no built-in way to lock a file. On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:36 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have GIT installed on my server and I have Github. I understand the versioning part. The concept I am having trouble grasping is how I can use it a collaboration tool. It is just me and another programmer. We both have a local dev environment. We work out of our homes and we live a fair distance apart - about a 1.5 hour drive. We have a server in a data center that contains both our test server and our production server. To this point we have worked on separate parts of this online app so we
How to keep cups printing working?
Cups printing had been working fine on my system for a long time, but then recently it has begun to quit working correctly and I can't figure out why. I can get it restarted sometimes, but then it will just quit working again and I have to go through a bunch of steps to get it restarted. In the Control Center System Manage system services by enabling etc. it shows cups running. Then I go to Hardware Configure printing and scanning Set up printers, etc. Sometimes it shows the printer has vanished and I have to reset it again. Other times it is there. When I do 'lpstat' it shows a document waiting to be printed, but it does not print. How can I get this reset so it will not continually quit printing and have to get restarted again? If 'lpstat' shows a document waiting to be printed and it shows the printer to be enabled, but idle ... what command could I use to get the printer to restart and print the waiting document? $ lpstat -t ... shows the following: scheduler is running system default destination: HPLaserJet4 device for HPLaserJet4: ///dev/null device for HPPSC1200: ipp://192.168.0.73:631/printers/HPPSC1200 HPLaserJet4 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST HPPSC1200 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST printer HPLaserJet4 is idle. enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST printer HPPSC1200 is idle. enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST HPLaserJet4-47 joe 66560 Fri 02 Mar 2012 08:44:02 PM MST As root, I tried this: service cups restart ... and got this result: Stopping CUPS printing system: [ OK ] Starting CUPS printing system: [ OK ] Re-enabling disabled print queues: In the lpstat -t results, two printers appear, one of which was disconnected from the system some time ago, but it still appears and I cannot find a way to get it deleted. I tried entering this in the web browser: http://localhost:631 and the CUPS management page appears. I click on Printers and selected HPPSC1200 and tried to delete that printer, but I got this response: 403 Forbidden as shown in this screen capture: http://www.upquick.com/temp/cups.jpg How can I get that non-existent printer removed from CUPS? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to keep cups printing working?
Thanks for responding Brian. You wrote: Try checking the error policy for the printer. Printers - the printer that is having problems - Set default options - policies Where can I do this? I can't find anyplace where there is an option to select the printer that is having problems and/or where to set Default options to retry-job At this browser address: http://127.0.0.1:631/printers/ there is a printers tab, but under that I cannot find any place to set default options. Also cannot find anything like that in Control Center Make sure that Error policy is set to retry-job. If it's set to stop printer, every time you have any kind of printing error, the print server for that particular queue will be set to stopped, and I believe it will even survive a server reset or even a reboot. If you have multiple users printing from this system or have it setup to serve to multiple machines, you might want to go to Administration and under server settings and check off Allow users to cancel any job (not just their own) That way a print queue can't get jammed up by someone that printers something and then walks away leaving a bad print job jamming up the queue with no way for someone else to clear it. As for your error, check the permissions for /etc/cups/printers.conf At this location, this is what I find: -rw--- 1 root sys 130 Mar 7 21:55 printers.conf.O -rw--- 1 root sys 130 Mar 7 21:56 printers.conf And here is the content of printers.conf: # Printer configuration file for CUPS v1.4.6 # Written by cupsd on 2012-03-07 22:05 # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE WHEN CUPSD IS RUNNING If everything else fails, you can always edit that file directly and remove the section of config that corresponds with the offending printer. How should I edit that file? What content should be added there? Brian Cluff On 03/07/2012 07:09 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Cups printing had been working fine on my system for a long time, but then recently it has begun to quit working correctly and I can't figure out why. I can get it restarted sometimes, but then it will just quit working again and I have to go through a bunch of steps to get it restarted. In the Control Center System Manage system services by enabling etc. it shows cups running. Then I go to Hardware Configure printing and scanning Set up printers, etc. Sometimes it shows the printer has vanished and I have to reset it again. Other times it is there. When I do 'lpstat' it shows a document waiting to be printed, but it does not print. How can I get this reset so it will not continually quit printing and have to get restarted again? If 'lpstat' shows a document waiting to be printed and it shows the printer to be enabled, but idle ... what command could I use to get the printer to restart and print the waiting document? $ lpstat -t ... shows the following: scheduler is running system default destination: HPLaserJet4 device for HPLaserJet4: ///dev/null device for HPPSC1200: ipp://192.168.0.73:631/printers/HPPSC1200 HPLaserJet4 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST HPPSC1200 accepting requests since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST printer HPLaserJet4 is idle. enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 05:20:37 PM MST printer HPPSC1200 is idle. enabled since Fri 02 Mar 2012 06:12:43 PM MST HPLaserJet4-47 joe 66560 Fri 02 Mar 2012 08:44:02 PM MST As root, I tried this: service cups restart ... and got this result: Stopping CUPS printing system: [ OK ] Starting CUPS printing system: [ OK ] Re-enabling disabled print queues: In the lpstat -t results, two printers appear, one of which was disconnected from the system some time ago, but it still appears and I cannot find a way to get it deleted. I tried entering this in the web browser: http://localhost:631 and the CUPS management page appears. I click on Printers and selected HPPSC1200 and tried to delete that printer, but I got this response: 403 Forbidden as shown in this screen capture: http://www.upquick.com/temp/cups.jpg How can I get that non-existent printer removed from CUPS? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Cups issues
Since there are printer users here it seems, I was wondering if anyone else has run into this... I recently acquired a Brother color laser (mfc-9440cn), and cannot get it to print from my ubuntu box. I've been doing everything via cups local web interface for setup/add and everything tests and test prints ok, but any image comes out blank white. Local tests and prints all work fine, but nothing aside from the ubuntu test page has printed successfully via an actual print. I've ensured ghostscript is there, everything looks ok in status before/after, i just get nothing printed. Scanning to it via the network works dandy with the drivers, just something isn't right with something with how apps are sending to the printer drivers. I hardly ever print anything anymore, and simply haven't used printing features enough to have run into it, so I'm hoping one of you might have seen this. Googling various iterations of 'brother white blank pages' hasn't resulted in much after hours. Thanks in advance! -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
