Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Havens
I think that is the problem! I remember having to delete a public key when
I was screwing around with it last time.
Unfortunately I do not remember where this key is.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:01 AM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike,

 Regarding the rsync problem through ssh, most likely your laptop is not
 accepting the ssh tunnel because the key pairs  between the desktop and the
 laptop no longer match.  depending on how you set this up this will either
 require changing or deleting the public key file or a user specific
 key-pair file on the laptop and resetting it.


 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lisa fantastic to hear from you!
 Yes, they are both in the same subnet, 192.168.0.X
 Yes. The laptop is wireless while the desktop is connected to the
 internet via a cable.
 As for allowing passthrough I can't say. I think so because it was
 working before my HD crashed on the desktop. Also rsync will run
 between the two computers. The problem is that I can't access the computer
 through Caja (formerly known as nautilus).
 Hm now when I try to rsync it gives me a 'connection refused'
 when I try to rsync from the desktop to the laptop. This must be because I
 installed a new OS on the laptop. What do I have to open to get ssh to work?


 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mike?

 Are they on the same subnet?

 Is one a wireless and the other a wired?
 Does your router allow passthrough to the wired devices on your network?

 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I figured out what my networking problem is. There is no route
  between the two linux macines in th routing table. Does that sound right?
 How do I add a route between the two if that is right?

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RE: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread Carruth, Rusty
Probably in ~/.ssh/ somewhere (I think known_hosts)

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I think that is the problem! I remember having to delete a public key
when I was screwing around with it last time. 
Unfortunately I do not remember where this key is.

 

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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Havens
so then delete known_hosts or the contents thereof?


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 I think that is the problem! I remember having to delete a public key when
 I was screwing around with it last time.
 Unfortunately I do not remember where this key is.

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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread James Mcphee
Try ssh-ing from one host to the other.  If the keys conflict with what's
in known_hosts, it'll kick out the ssh-keygen line to easily remove the
offending key.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 so then delete known_hosts or the contents thereof?


 **

 I think that is the problem! I remember having to delete a public key
 when I was screwing around with it last time.
 Unfortunately I do not remember where this key is.

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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread Michael Havens
I guess I'm doing something wrong!
ssh 192.168.0.4 - connection refused

then I try to ssh to the other computer and it won't accept my password. I
even ran passwd to make sure I had the right pASSwd but that didn't help.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:27 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Try ssh-ing from one host to the other.  If the keys conflict with what's
 in known_hosts, it'll kick out the ssh-keygen line to easily remove the
 offending key.


 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 so then delete known_hosts or the contents thereof?


  **

 I think that is the problem! I remember having to delete a public key
 when I was screwing around with it last time.
 Unfortunately I do not remember where this key is.

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Resize partition solution -and- problem.

2012-07-09 Thread joe
First ... I'd like to say kudos to Larry (Dazed) and all the great guys
that give their time so generously at the monthly Installfests, providing
such excellent help.

Last Saturday, while trying to shrink a 40-gig partition on my xp laptop
so I could add Linux, we ran into a stumbling block with Gparted not
working.

Since then, I've been searching for other options. Knoppix CD had one
called QTParted that seemed to work better than Gparted ... but it also
did not work.

Finally, I found a really slick, free download GUI partition editing
bootable CD here: www.PartitionWizard.com/download.html ... with an iso
named: pwhe7.iso

When loading, it showed the name tinycore as its Linux platform, and
when loaded it had the slickest (by far) graphical interface of any
partition editor I've seen ... and it worked great and fast.  I used
'chkdsk' and 'defrag' on the 40-gig hard disk and that seemed to show that
only about 20% of the disk was used with no indicted disk usage beyond the
50% point on the disk.  So, I decided to just shrink the xp partition to
22 gig which I though would avoid damaging any of the xp files on the
disk.

That left 16 gig free to install Linux, so I used 3.6 gig for / 3.9 gig
for swap and the remaining 10 gig for /home

Installation of Kubuntu 12.04 went flawlessly and it works fine ...
however ... the GNU GRUB version 1.99-21-ubuntu3 boot that Kubuntu
installed shows 5 entries of which only the first four work:

- Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae
- Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae (recovery mode)
- Memory test (memtest86+)
- Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)
- Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)

But xp does not boot.

Grub offers an option to edit each entry, and when I do that
to the M$ entry, this is what I see:

setparams 'Microsoft Windows XP Professional ()on /dev/sda1)

insmod part-msdos
insmod ntfs
set root='(hd0,msdos1)
search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 01CD5DCE2C361380
drivemap -s (hd0) ${root)
chainloader +1


*** So *** what can I do to fix grub so it will boot xp?
Or have I completely destroyed it?



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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread James Dugger
Mike,

First reinitialize the known_hosts file by the following from your ssh
client box:

cd ~/.ssh
rm known_hosts
ssh username@IP address of ssh host box
   - Ubuntu will ask you for confirmation of your request to setup a key on
the server -
Type yes or 'y' which ever it asks for
type in password when prompted
   - you should now have prompt for username@ip address of ssh host
box:$

This should rewrite the known_hosts file in your user directory on the
client box

At this point you should be able to ssh into your host by using the
username@ip address of host box

If you can't than perhaps you setup up public keys for authentication. If
you have public keys setup than you should see 2 files named id_rsa and
id_rsa.pub on your ssh client machine in a directory named
/home/username/.ssh. id_rsa is your private key that needs to remain
here.  The id_rsa.pub is the public key that needs to be copied to your ssh
server.  If you see the id_rsa.pub file and you still know your passphrase
that you setup (if you set one up) than it is a matter of appending
id_rsa.pub into a file called authorized_keys located in ~/.ssh on the
host computer.  If you only have the single client connected to the host
than you can rename the authorized_keys file on your host and append
id_rsa.pub to a new version. NOTE if you do not see the id_rsa.pub file and
only have the id_rsa file than you will need to generate a new set of
public keys (see Method 2).


Method 1
If you have been able to establish simple ssh between the 2 boxes, from the
client computer (where id_rsa.pub is found) it might be as simple as typing
the following:

ssh username@host ip address cat  ~/.ssh/authorized_keys 
~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub

or after establishing an ssh connection typing the following:

cat  ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub

If ssh is not working you will need to get the id_rsa.pub onto the host
computer and append it from there.  Logon to host computer as user to be
authenticated and copy the file using scp command and place it in the
~/.ssh directory.

Method 2 (New keys)

To generate new keys type the following from the client box (do not do this
using sudo or as root but as your own username):

ssh-keygen -t rsa
  - Ubuntu will prompt you for the location to place the key pairs just
pick the default
  - You will be prompted for a passphrase
  -  You will be asked for passphrase confirmation

 Then copy the id-rsa.pub file to the host computer by Method 1.

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OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-09 Thread AZ Pete

Hi All,

I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a long time client and 
thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust to get some input.

This situation is this:

A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a client uses to run their 
business (its a typical LAMP platform). Without getting into tedious details, 
this software application is used to run their entire business.  It is 
understood that the software ownship resides with me and they are paying for 
its use - licensing it, if you will.  At the start of this project, we agreed 
upon a certain percentage of gross revenue that I would receive as payment for 
use of this software.

In return, I would maintain the software, provide various updates or additions, 
and some light server admin work to keep the application running.  This 
arrangement has been working quite well and the business relationship is 
excellent. However, I feel now that the percentage I receive is too low (it 
hasn't been changed since the start of this venture).  I have broached the 
subject of having to update our arrangement, but was met with some resistance.

I wanted to ask fellow consultants/contractor/software devs what is the going 
rate for such an arrangement.
Namely, if you are licensing a software product to a client for their use, what 
is a reasonable percentage of gross revenue a business should expect to pay. 
Especially, a software product that is the core component of their business 
without which the business wouldn't exist.

Any thoughts would be *very* appreciated.

Thanks,
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Re: Resize partition solution -and- problem.

2012-07-09 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hi Joe,

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 First ... I'd like to say kudos to Larry (Dazed) and all the great guys
 that give their time so generously at the monthly Installfests, providing
 such excellent help.

 Last Saturday, while trying to shrink a 40-gig partition on my xp laptop
 so I could add Linux, we ran into a stumbling block with Gparted not
 working.

 Since then, I've been searching for other options. Knoppix CD had one
 called QTParted that seemed to work better than Gparted ... but it also
 did not work.

 Finally, I found a really slick, free download GUI partition editing
 bootable CD here: www.PartitionWizard.com/download.html ... with an iso
 named: pwhe7.iso

 When loading, it showed the name tinycore as its Linux platform, and
 when loaded it had the slickest (by far) graphical interface of any
 partition editor I've seen ... and it worked great and fast.  I used
 'chkdsk' and 'defrag' on the 40-gig hard disk and that seemed to show that
 only about 20% of the disk was used with no indicted disk usage beyond the
 50% point on the disk.  So, I decided to just shrink the xp partition to
 22 gig which I though would avoid damaging any of the xp files on the
 disk.

 That left 16 gig free to install Linux, so I used 3.6 gig for / 3.9 gig
 for swap and the remaining 10 gig for /home

 Installation of Kubuntu 12.04 went flawlessly and it works fine ...
 however ... the GNU GRUB version 1.99-21-ubuntu3 boot that Kubuntu
 installed shows 5 entries of which only the first four work:

 - Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae
 - Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae (recovery mode)
 - Memory test (memtest86+)
 - Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)
 - Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)

 But xp does not boot.

 The Windows bootloader stores information about how big the partitions on
the hard drive are. If you change a partition size, Windows checks the new
partition size at the very next reboot (using either chkdsk in XP or a new
utility in Vista/Windows 7). It then writes that info to its bootloader
configuration file. If you start mucking around with other partitions
before it has a chance to record the changes and reset itself accordingly,
the Windows bootloader will not be able to read the partition table
properly (and will then refuse to boot entirely).

Since Grub boots Windows merely by chainloading the Windows bootloader, if
the Windows bootloader doesn't work (i.e. doesn't recognize its own changed
partition), then you are sunk.

If you ignore these warnings, I almost guarantee you will fry your Windows
partitioning scheme and be unable to boot up Windows.
Reference:
http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Multiple_OS_Installation#Using_Grub_Legacy_for_the_boot_partition


 Grub offers an option to edit each entry, and when I do that
 to the M$ entry, this is what I see:

 setparams 'Microsoft Windows XP Professional ()on /dev/sda1)

 insmod part-msdos
 insmod ntfs
 set root='(hd0,msdos1)
 search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 01CD5DCE2C361380
 drivemap -s (hd0) ${root)
 chainloader +1


  Windows partitions

It is easiest if your Windows partition is the first one installed. This is
because the Windows bootloader looks for Windows in the first partition.
Also, Windows installers are unpredictable and can overwrite anything that
is already installed on the hard drive.

If you have a brand new computer with no OS pre-installed, partitioning and
OS installation is much easier. Create all your partitions before
installing Windows. Make the first partition NTFS (or the less secure
FAT32, if you wish), intending it for the Windows installation. Then divide
the remainder of the hard drive (using
GPartedhttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:All#GParted_Partition_Manager)
using the partitioning scheme outlined
abovehttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Multiple_OS_Installation#Partition_design.


Generally, a retail boxed version of Windows (instead of an OEM or
backup copy) installs quite happily to the first pre-configured,
pre-sized partition. Go ahead and install it there, then skip on ahead
to installing
the Linux 
OSshttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Multiple_OS_Installation#Install_your_first_Linux_OS.

 Windows XP (or earlier)

You *can* use 
GPartedhttp://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:All#GParted_Partition_Managerto
resize a Windows XP partition directly (without needing
re-installation), but it is still best to reboot Windows XP twice after
resizing its partition (before taking any other steps with GParted).
Review this
tutorialhttp://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/working-around-windows-vistas-shrink-volume-inadequacy-problems/'s
section Making Shrink Volume Work. Although Windows XP does not have a
shrink volume utility, to resize the partition using GParted, these steps
must be taken anyway. Specifically:

   - Use the Disk Cleanup Wizard to remove unnecessary files.
   - Uninstall deadwood programs and unneeded/unwanted Windows Components
   

Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hi Mike,

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lisa fantastic to hear from you!
 Yes, they are both in the same subnet, 192.168.0.X
 Yes. The laptop is wireless while the desktop is connected to the internet
 via a cable.
 As for allowing passthrough I can't say. I think so because it was working
 before my HD crashed on the desktop. Also rsync will run between the
 two computers. The problem is that I can't access the computer through Caja
 (formerly known as nautilus).
 Hm now when I try to rsync it gives me a 'connection refused' when
 I try to rsync from the desktop to the laptop. This must be because I
 installed a new OS on the laptop. What do I have to open to get ssh to work?

That means that your connection was refused.

So, you probably have strict checking on in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config and
you named your new system the same as the old one.
You can remove your known_hosts file from ~michael/.ssh/known_hosts file.
You can turn off strict checking also in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file (not
recommended, even if you ARE on a trusted network).




 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote:

 Hi Mike?

 Are they on the same subnet?

 Is one a wireless and the other a wired?
 Does your router allow passthrough to the wired devices on your network?

 On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think I figured out what my networking problem is. There is no route
  between the two linux macines in th routing table. Does that sound right?
 How do I add a route between the two if that is right?

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Re: OT: Software Licensing Fees

2012-07-09 Thread Mark Phillips
I don't quite understand what is going on.

Has their gross revenue remained flat for all these years, do you are not
making add much as before? Or, are you now thinking that the percentage is
too low?

Are you spending more time maintaining their servers and performing updates
than when you started? Are you creating new functionality for them?

Mark
On Jul 9, 2012 7:16 PM, AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com wrote:

  Hi All,

 I'm in a bit of a quandary about fees I'm receiving from a long time
 client and thought I'd tap the PLUG brain-trust to get some input.

 This situation is this:

 A few years ago I developed a PHP application that a client uses to run
 their business (its a typical LAMP platform). Without getting into tedious
 details, this software application is used to run their entire business.
 It is understood that the software ownship resides with me and they are
 paying for its use - licensing it, if you will.  At the start of this
 project, we agreed upon a certain percentage of gross revenue that I would
 receive as payment for use of this software.

 In return, I would maintain the software, provide various updates or
 additions, and some light server admin work to keep the application
 running.  This arrangement has been working quite well and the business
 relationship is excellent. However, I feel now that the percentage I
 receive is too low (it hasn't been changed since the start of this
 venture).  I have broached the subject of having to update our arrangement,
 but was met with some resistance.

 I wanted to ask fellow consultants/contractor/software devs what is the
 going rate for such an arrangement.
 Namely, if you are licensing a software product to a client for their use,
 what is a reasonable percentage of gross revenue a business should expect
 to pay. Especially, a software product that is the core component of their
 business without which the business wouldn't exist.

 Any thoughts would be *very* appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Peter

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g++

2012-07-09 Thread Trent Shipley
I am reading a C++ book on Kindle and I am enjoying it.  I could just download 
the free Microsoft C++ compiler and IDE, but I would like to work in a Linux 
(Ubuntu) environment.

I have obtained the g++ package.  I have obtained Eclipse, which seems to have 
a C++ plug-in.

Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a way to 
get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?

How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?

How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?

(You can see that I'm angling for an IDE.  If I can't get the IDE to work it's 
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Re: g++

2012-07-09 Thread Stephen
Well Googling g++ and eclipse comes up with a ton of good hits. Some of
them appear to be some handy walkthroughs.
On Jul 9, 2012 8:27 PM, Trent Shipley trent_ship...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I am reading a C++ book on Kindle and I am enjoying it.  I could just
 download the free Microsoft C++ compiler and IDE, but I would like to work
 in a Linux (Ubuntu) environment.

 I have obtained the g++ package.  I have obtained Eclipse, which seems to
 have a C++ plug-in.

 Is there a good, recent gcc|g++ book I can read? Failing that is there a
 way to get the documentation on my tablet (perhaps a PDF)?

 How do I get the plug-in for Eclipse?

 How do I integrate g++ and Eclipse?

 (You can see that I'm angling for an IDE.  If I can't get the IDE to work
 it's back to Microsoft.)



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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread James Dugger
Mike,

By default the sshd_config file in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (If that is what you
are using Debian and Mint should work the same) in /etc/ssh should have the
following defaults set under # Authentication:

StrictMode yes

RSAAuthentication yes
PubkeyAuthentication yes

You should not have to change any of these settings.  With these 3 settings
set to yes RSA, and public keys are automacally activated for use.
Ubuntu will first search for an authorize_key in the ~/.ssh directory if
it finds it it will try and resolve the id_rsa key pairs.  If these keys no
longer match then you will get a failed to connect error in the terminal.
Only IF it doesn't find an authorize_key will it default to the
known_host file.

So If you are still having issues connecting and you see that you have an
authorize_key file in ~/.ssh then try renaming it as well as removing the
known_hosts and restarting ssh either by:

sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
or
sudo service ssh reload

Then try a basic ssh into the host from the client to reestablish the
known_host file.  If you are able to log on then proceed to generate new
keys per Method 2 and copy them to the host machine by Method 1.

Goog luck

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Re: networking problem

2012-07-09 Thread James Dugger
One other quick item, in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file check to see of the
following line is comment out or not:

AuthorizedKeyFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys  (default is commented out)

If it isn't commented out and you still can't access simple ssh then
comment it out and restart ssh.  Once you have simple known_host resolution
and want to reestablish keys than remove the # write and save the
sshd_config and restart ssh


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Re: Resize partition solution -and- problem.

2012-07-09 Thread Dazed_75
Joe, I do not know that partitioning tool so I do not know for sure it can
be trusted to safely shrink the ntfs partition on which your XP was
running.  What should have happened if it did the right things is that when
you next booted XP, the XP bootloader would note the change in the
partition size and run chkdsk to check it out and then XP would load.

So here are a couple of questions:
1 - Did you reboot XP after resizing the partition but before installing
kubuntu (not requiredm but tell us so we know)
2 - When you say the 5th GRUB menu item (XP) does not work, what do you
mean.  In other words, what does and does not happen.  Is there any output
such as error messages. or ...?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:47 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

 First ... I'd like to say kudos to Larry (Dazed) and all the great guys
 that give their time so generously at the monthly Installfests, providing
 such excellent help.

 Last Saturday, while trying to shrink a 40-gig partition on my xp laptop
 so I could add Linux, we ran into a stumbling block with Gparted not
 working.

 Since then, I've been searching for other options. Knoppix CD had one
 called QTParted that seemed to work better than Gparted ... but it also
 did not work.

 Finally, I found a really slick, free download GUI partition editing
 bootable CD here: www.PartitionWizard.com/download.html ... with an iso
 named: pwhe7.iso

 When loading, it showed the name tinycore as its Linux platform, and
 when loaded it had the slickest (by far) graphical interface of any
 partition editor I've seen ... and it worked great and fast.  I used
 'chkdsk' and 'defrag' on the 40-gig hard disk and that seemed to show that
 only about 20% of the disk was used with no indicted disk usage beyond the
 50% point on the disk.  So, I decided to just shrink the xp partition to
 22 gig which I though would avoid damaging any of the xp files on the
 disk.

 That left 16 gig free to install Linux, so I used 3.6 gig for / 3.9 gig
 for swap and the remaining 10 gig for /home

 Installation of Kubuntu 12.04 went flawlessly and it works fine ...
 however ... the GNU GRUB version 1.99-21-ubuntu3 boot that Kubuntu
 installed shows 5 entries of which only the first four work:

 - Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae
 - Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic-pae (recovery mode)
 - Memory test (memtest86+)
 - Memory test (memtest86+, serial console 115200)
 - Microsoft Windows XP Professional (on /dev/sda1)

 But xp does not boot.

 Grub offers an option to edit each entry, and when I do that
 to the M$ entry, this is what I see:

 setparams 'Microsoft Windows XP Professional ()on /dev/sda1)

 insmod part-msdos
 insmod ntfs
 set root='(hd0,msdos1)
 search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root 01CD5DCE2C361380
 drivemap -s (hd0) ${root)
 chainloader +1


 *** So *** what can I do to fix grub so it will boot xp?
 Or have I completely destroyed it?



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