Hackfest Today at DeVry 11-2PM

2012-07-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hackfest moves to DeVry in Phoenix 11:00-2PM 2nd Saturday of every month
(today).

DeVry University: Phoenix Campus
2149 West Dunlap Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85021


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Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use 
some help to evict them... 


This is what's happening:
I use:
'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
a lot.
Works every time.
Or 'mostly' every time... 


Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
I get:
*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory 
corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
And a long trace. 


This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had (can't 
remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.

After that, the problem started.
This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and install 
the latest Mint/Mate.

Problem didn't go away...
The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the 
only thing I preserved was my home directory. 

So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory 
causing the problem.

Nope...
Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
Same $#!T...   :( 


Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it 
works fine too!

It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
But it used to work just fine... 


Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY 
for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine 
from everywhere else.
Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and garlic 
wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know what to 
do... 

I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under 
X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(

Any ideas?
Sight...
ET
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
Hi-

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:20 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com 
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

 Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use
 some help to evict them...
 This is what's happening:
 I use:
 'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
 a lot.
 Works every time.
 Or 'mostly' every time...
 Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
 ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
 I get:
 *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/**VirtualBox: malloc(): memory
 corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
 And a long trace.
 This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
 My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had
 (can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
 After that, the problem started.
 This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and
 install the latest Mint/Mate.
 Problem didn't go away...
 The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the
 only thing I preserved was my home directory.
 So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory
 causing the problem.
 Nope...
 Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
 Same $#!T...   :(
 Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
 And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it
 works fine too!
 It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
 But it used to work just fine...
 Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
 What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY
 for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine
 from everywhere else.
 Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and
 garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know
 what to do...
 I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under
 X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(
 Any ideas?
 Sight...
 ET

 That means:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox

 : malloc(): memory corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***


The C stack that works fine in some systems can break in others.

Upgrade your virtualbox.

Reference:  https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2t=19219

For more exact definition (but solution [upgrade] is the same)

Hardware:
Versions of linux kernel:
Memory Amounts allocated:
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

Latest version...:(
No joy... 

Now, Virtual box works OK from its box or any other of my boxes that I SSH 
from.  That being the case, I have to assume that the problem is with my 
box's kernel/X/SSH combination. 

Virtualbox is still running in the remote box, only the output is displayed 
to another box.  That means (to me) that somewhere along the magic-cookie 
transfer and/or the SSH encryption/decryption, something goes back to the 
running box that kills the application. 

That defeats most of my C programming knowledge, which (no arrogance here, I 
do C/C++ for a living) is more than most people's on this list.

Although I haven't done a whole lot of 'X' stuff lately...
ET 





Lisa Kachold writes: 

Hi- 


On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:20 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com 
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: 


Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use
some help to evict them...
This is what's happening:
I use:
'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
a lot.
Works every time.
Or 'mostly' every time...
Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
I get:
*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/**VirtualBox: malloc(): memory
corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
And a long trace.
This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had
(can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
After that, the problem started.
This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and
install the latest Mint/Mate.
Problem didn't go away...
The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the
only thing I preserved was my home directory.
So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory
causing the problem.
Nope...
Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
Same $#!T...   :(
Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it
works fine too!
It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
But it used to work just fine...
Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY
for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine
from everywhere else.
Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and
garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know
what to do...
I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under
X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(
Any ideas?
Sight...
ET 


That means:


*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox


: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
 

The C stack that works fine in some systems can break in others. 

Upgrade your virtualbox. 

Reference:  https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2t=19219 

For more exact definition (but solution [upgrade] is the same) 


Hardware:
Versions of linux kernel:
Memory Amounts allocated:
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
apt-get update
This is possibly a known malloc issue with glibc for your chipset.
Research requires full backtrace, versions, firmware and chipset versions.
# dmidecode
A post to the mint support might net more info although I would do
exhaustive reasearch on the error x-referenced with your hardware/OS.
On 14 Jul 2012 09:39, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com
wrote:

 Latest version...:(
 No joy...
 Now, Virtual box works OK from its box or any other of my boxes that I SSH
 from.  That being the case, I have to assume that the problem is with my
 box's kernel/X/SSH combination.
 Virtualbox is still running in the remote box, only the output is
 displayed to another box.  That means (to me) that somewhere along the
 magic-cookie transfer and/or the SSH encryption/decryption, something goes
 back to the running box that kills the application.
 That defeats most of my C programming knowledge, which (no arrogance here,
 I do C/C++ for a living) is more than most people's on this list.
 Although I haven't done a whole lot of 'X' stuff lately...
 ET



 Lisa Kachold writes:

 Hi-
 On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 8:20 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com 
 kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

 Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use
 some help to evict them...
 This is what's happening:
 I use:
 'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
 a lot.
 Works every time.
 Or 'mostly' every time...
 Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
 ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
 I get:
 *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc():
 memory
 corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
 And a long trace.
 This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
 My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had
 (can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
 After that, the problem started.
 This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and
 install the latest Mint/Mate.
 Problem didn't go away...
 The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the
 only thing I preserved was my home directory.
 So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory
 causing the problem.
 Nope...
 Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
 Same $#!T...   :(
 Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
 And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it
 works fine too!
 It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
 But it used to work just fine...
 Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
 What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism
 (ONLY
 for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine
 from everywhere else.
 Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and
 garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know
 what to do...
 I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under
 X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(
 Any ideas?
 Sight...
 ET
 That means:


 *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox


 : malloc(): memory corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***


 The C stack that works fine in some systems can break in others.
 Upgrade your virtualbox.
 Reference:  
 https://forums.virtualbox.org/**viewtopic.php?f=2t=19219https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2t=19219
 For more exact definition (but solution [upgrade] is the same)
 Hardware:
 Versions of linux kernel:
 Memory Amounts allocated:
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread Michael Butash
Sounds hardware-ish as Lisa mentioned - I'd do a memtest on there, 
sounds like whenever something trys to grab a gob of ram, it hits a dead 
chip, poops itself, and exits with a malloc error.  I've used just about 
every release of vbox for years now and never seen that.


Either that or you have a bug in the chipset that a certain instruction 
is dying on.


-mb


On 07/14/2012 08:20 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:

Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use
some help to evict them...
This is what's happening:
I use:
'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
a lot.
Works every time.
Or 'mostly' every time...
Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
I get:
*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory
corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
And a long trace.
This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had
(can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
After that, the problem started.
This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and
install the latest Mint/Mate.
Problem didn't go away...
The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the
only thing I preserved was my home directory.
So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory
causing the problem.
Nope...
Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
Same $#!T... :(
Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it
works fine too!
It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
But it used to work just fine...
Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism
(ONLY for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and
works fine from everywhere else.
Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and
garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't
know what to do...
I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under
X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind. :(
Any ideas?
Sight...
ET
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com
Well, I was able to determine that the 'malloc' error is happening in *MY* 
box (I thought it was happening on the *other* box), so I booted my box with 
a 'Rescatux' CD, installed SSH, did:

ssh -fCXY user@remote virtualbox
and it worked... 

What that means to me is that both, the last Xubuntu and the last Mint, have 
some weird interaction (kernel, video drivers, chipset, who knows) that 
causes the problem. 

I am also having issues because my box was either rebooting X or rebooting 
the whole enchilada, so I did run a memtest86+ for several hours without 
issues and I expect the hardware to be trustworthy.

It is some sort of hardware disliking software issue.
Or so I hope.. 


Now the question that I am trying to answer is:
which distro should I install to avoid this nightmare?
The quest goes on...
ET 

PS: This box has an ATI video card, should I expect a Nvidia to have better 
results?   I have always have a better luck with Nvidia, but YMMV... 





kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: 

Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use 
some help to evict them...  


This is what's happening:
I use:
'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
a lot.
Works every time.
Or 'mostly' every time...  


Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
I get:
*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory 
corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
And a long trace.  


This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had 
(can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.

After that, the problem started.
This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and 
install the latest Mint/Mate.

Problem didn't go away...
The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the 
only thing I preserved was my home directory.  

So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory 
causing the problem.

Nope...
Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
Same $#!T...   :(  


Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it 
works fine too!

It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
But it used to work just fine...  


Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY 
for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine 
from everywhere else.
Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and 
garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know 
what to do...  

I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under 
X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(

Any ideas?
Sight...
ET
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Re: Weird virtualbox... [SOLVED]

2012-07-14 Thread kitepi...@kitepilot.com

Well, I wiped out Mint and installed Debian squeeze.
All good now...   :)
ET 




kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: 

Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use 
some help to evict them...  


This is what's happening:
I use:
'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
a lot.
Works every time.
Or 'mostly' every time...  


Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
I get:
*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory 
corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
And a long trace.  


This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had 
(can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.

After that, the problem started.
This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and 
install the latest Mint/Mate.

Problem didn't go away...
The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the 
only thing I preserved was my home directory.  

So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory 
causing the problem.

Nope...
Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
Same $#!T...   :(  


Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it 
works fine too!

It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
But it used to work just fine...  


Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY 
for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine 
from everywhere else.
Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and 
garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know 
what to do...  

I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under 
X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(

Any ideas?
Sight...
ET
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Re: Weird virtualbox...

2012-07-14 Thread Stephen
I have traditionally had better luck with Nvidia graphics with Linux.
however since the ATI/AMD merger they have REALLY stepped up their
Linux driver support. so much so that a HUGE contract went from Nvidia
to AMD fro graphics for the better Linux support. So before flipping
graphics hardware i would look into their drivers and see. I have run
into instances where the default Ubuntu chosen driver is not the right
choice.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:05 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com
kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
 Well, I was able to determine that the 'malloc' error is happening in *MY*
 box (I thought it was happening on the *other* box), so I booted my box with
 a 'Rescatux' CD, installed SSH, did:
 ssh -fCXY user@remote virtualbox
 and it worked...
 What that means to me is that both, the last Xubuntu and the last Mint, have
 some weird interaction (kernel, video drivers, chipset, who knows) that
 causes the problem.
 I am also having issues because my box was either rebooting X or rebooting
 the whole enchilada, so I did run a memtest86+ for several hours without
 issues and I expect the hardware to be trustworthy.
 It is some sort of hardware disliking software issue.
 Or so I hope..
 Now the question that I am trying to answer is:
 which distro should I install to avoid this nightmare?
 The quest goes on...
 ET
 PS: This box has an ATI video card, should I expect a Nvidia to have better
 results?   I have always have a better luck with Nvidia, but YMMV...



 kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes:

 Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use
 some help to evict them...
 This is what's happening:
 I use:
 'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
 a lot.
 Works every time.
 Or 'mostly' every time...
 Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
 ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
 I get:
 *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory
 corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
 And a long trace.
 This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
 My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had
 (can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
 After that, the problem started.
 This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and
 install the latest Mint/Mate.
 Problem didn't go away...
 The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the
 only thing I preserved was my home directory.
 So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory
 causing the problem.
 Nope...
 Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
 Same $#!T...   :(
 Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
 And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it
 works fine too!
 It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
 But it used to work just fine...
 Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
 What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY
 for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine
 from everywhere else.
 Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and
 garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know
 what to do...
 I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under
 X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(
 Any ideas?
 Sight...
 ET
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