Re: DON'T PANIC
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I love vi... Likewise... Would not use anything else. Can't lear anything else... :) ET Amit Nepal writes: I love vi. I started with vi , i have never used other editors. Vi is simply awesome/powerful and full of features *Amit K Nepal Infrastructure Engineer (RHCE) omNovia Technologies Inc. http://www.omnovia.com Amit K Nepal http://www.amitnepal.com http://www.amitnepal.com* On 8/10/2012 9:32 PM, Jim March wrote: I saw somebody use VI once, and was glad somebody wrote GEdit :). Jim . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I really liked Teco - especially the direct core editing patch - but then I had to get work done, now I like Vim with the Zeitgeist plugin. I like jEdit too... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: DON'T PANIC
Like Ed, I also liked TECO back before there was vi. However we got real work done with it. We had TECO macros to split loadfiles into ROM programmer files which we had to generate for releases to manufacturing. It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that I like flash memory so much more than ROM. Our TECO came from DECUS for our PDP-11/40 and 11/70. You went to the annual conference with a 9-track tape and returned with it loaded with goodies - early OSS. That's how we got our Pascal compiler. Jack -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ed Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 8:17 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: DON'T PANIC On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I love vi... Likewise... Would not use anything else. Can't lear anything else... :) ET Amit Nepal writes: I love vi. I started with vi , i have never used other editors. Vi is simply awesome/powerful and full of features *Amit K Nepal Infrastructure Engineer (RHCE) omNovia Technologies Inc. http://www.omnovia.com Amit K Nepal http://www.amitnepal.com http://www.amitnepal.com* On 8/10/2012 9:32 PM, Jim March wrote: I saw somebody use VI once, and was glad somebody wrote GEdit :). Jim . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I really liked Teco - especially the direct core editing patch - but then I had to get work done, now I like Vim with the Zeitgeist plugin. I like jEdit too... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: DON'T PANIC
I first learned vi back in the 80's when I worked with many forms of Unix. Of was the only consistent editor across all the BSDs, SCOs, etc. In the early-mid 90s through early 2k most of my work was windows based. I remember a Mellenium project where I was needing to change over 300 FoxPro modules. I pulled out a window version of vim, and you should have seen the odd looks I got from all the windows guys. Then the look of horror that came across there face as they saw how much more productive I could be with regular expressions. I have been pretty much 100% Linux all the time for the past 10 years, and I use vi for everything I can, it just sorta becomes automatic after a while. KevinF On Aug 11, 2012 9:17 AM, Ed p...@0x1b.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:44 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I love vi... Likewise... Would not use anything else. Can't lear anything else... :) ET Amit Nepal writes: I love vi. I started with vi , i have never used other editors. Vi is simply awesome/powerful and full of features *Amit K Nepal Infrastructure Engineer (RHCE) omNovia Technologies Inc. http://www.omnovia.com Amit K Nepal http://www.amitnepal.com http://www.amitnepal.com* On 8/10/2012 9:32 PM, Jim March wrote: I saw somebody use VI once, and was glad somebody wrote GEdit :). Jim . --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss I really liked Teco - especially the direct core editing patch - but then I had to get work done, now I like Vim with the Zeitgeist plugin. I like jEdit too... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
getting rid of android on tablet
I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: getting rid of android on tablet
Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com wrote: I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: getting rid of android on tablet
http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/ On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com wrote: I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: getting rid of android on tablet
This runs Ubuntu on top of android. This will not work on a device that only has 256MB of RAM and a fairly slow processor. These are light weight tablets as far as system hardware resources. As I said I am looking to replace the android OS (as in it is not there any more at all) on them now with some sort of light weight linux distro. There have been a LOT of unusual ports of Linux to strange hardware (the Linux for a Nintendo DSLite handheld comes to mind) so I would not think it should be that much of a stretch to get a semi-functional Linux kernel and busybox system onto one of these android devices. -- Steven DuChene -Original Message- From: JD Austin Sent: Aug 11, 2012 11:37 AM To: Steven A. DuChene , Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: getting rid of android on tablet http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/ On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com wrote: I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: getting rid of android on tablet
Give Linaro a look : http://www.linaro.org/ There is an OpenBSD ARM distribution that looks uptodate, although more for storage devices than tablets: http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com wrote: I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: getting rid of android on tablet
Bodhi Linux has builds for ARM and is a small foot print. http://www.bodhilinux.com/ Richard On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Ed p...@0x1b.com wrote: Give Linaro a look : http://www.linaro.org/ There is an OpenBSD ARM distribution that looks uptodate, although more for storage devices than tablets: http://www.openbsd.org/armish.html On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM, JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: Ubuntu is getting close to having a linux that will run on some android devices.. but until then I'd recommend you load Cyanogenmod on them. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Steven A. DuChene linux-clust...@mindspring.com wrote: I have a few 7 android tablets made by either pandigital or panimage. They have some older version of android on them. I am not really all that wild about the restrictive and weird nature of android. Is there anyway to put a more normal version of some light weight Linux on them? These tablets only have 256MB of real memory although recently I have seen other cheap 7 tablets with 512MB of memory. I want to be able to run a single graphical app on them with no fancy desktop environment. I have a graphical app that displays real time data from a automotive ECU and I would like to be able to have the tablet boot up and just run this single app. Initially if I could just get some sort of text console prompt so I could start to figure stuff out that would be good but I really want to get rid of android and go to some other more normal lightweight linux distro. Is any of this possible at all? -- Steven DuChene --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Ubuntu on Android (was: getting rid of android on tablet)
JD: Have you tried this out of curiosity and if so, what device(s) have you made work with this? I am curious to hear some personal experiences on this concept outside of the Ubuntu on Android via Canonical circles. Thanks in advance! --- Crawford PS: I receive this list in Digest format, so pardon any delays in responding in advance. The Linux ETC Company 10121 Yates Court Westminster, CO 80031 USA voice: +1.303.604.2550 web:http://www.linux-etc.com Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be friendly to the environment by saving paper. - D Austin j...@twingeckos.com wrote: - http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
