Re: west side during the summer

[James Mcphee]

If they block ssh, and you want to get to your home machine for irc, etc.
Setup ssh on an alternate port.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM, David Huerta  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mike Schwartz
> wrote:
> > OK,
> > I guess I forgot, that it asks me to enter the "library card number" (and
> a
> > password)
> > for my GLENDALE  "library card" -- which "some" persons (like, some
> > "non-Glendale" residents) do not have.
> > Well, I guess ONE of you, can have me log on with MY "library card
> number"
> > (and password),
> > -- although I can "probably" only do that for one person at a time.
> > ...I forgot how inconvenient it is, to be a "non-" Glendale resident.
> > (I have lived in Glendale since Dec 1993...)
> > if this causes many "West Siders" to prefer some other location,
> > then rest assured that this "meeting room reservation" was
> > applied for as a "one time event".
> > I thought it [this place] might prove to be a good place for
> future meetings
> > too;  but if that does not happen, then, OK.
> > --
> > Mike Schwartz
> > Glendale  AZ
> > schwa...@acm.org
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> >>
> >> OK now I found the Right one.
> >>
> >> It's free, but limited
> >>
> >>
> >> The Glendale Public Library currently offers high speed wireless
> >> connectivity at the Main Library, Foothills, and Velma Teague Branch
> >> Libraries. All visitors may use the library 's network free of charge
> and
> >> no
> >> special encryption settings are required; however, you must abide by the
> >> library's Internet Use Policy to connect.
> >>
> >> What can I access on the wireless network? Users of the Glendale Public
> >> Libraries' wireless network are limited to internet access (http/https),
> >> which requires an internet browser to be installed on your device. To
> >> ensure
> >> security for both wireless users and for the library's network, the
> >> following popular technologies and protocols are NOT supported:
> >>
> >>FTP/TFTP (for file transfers)
> >>POP3/IMAP email clients (Outlook, for example)
> >>VPN (for remote network access)
> >>Telnet/SSH (remote client access/file transfer)
> >>
> >> http://www.glendaleaz.com/library/Wireless_FAQs.cfm
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> >> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
> Ryan
> >> Rix
> >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:28 PM
> >> To: schwa...@acm.org; Main PLUG discussion list
> >> Subject: Re: west side during the summer
> >>
> >> On Mon 22 June 2009 2:41:21 pm Mike Schwartz wrote:
> >> > [3]   the building has free wifi
> >> For Glendale Library cardholders (ie, residents), that is. I live at
> 43rd
> >> and Union, thus am unable to use their wifi, for example, without paying
> >> 40$/year for a card. And I don't use that library enough to justify it
> >> (just
> >> read free magazines :3)
> >>
> >> Any ideas on how to circumvent that? Anyone have an AP they'd be willing
> >> to
> >> bring/set up?
> >>
> >> Ryan
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> If I could add a few picks, from a former west valley person:
>
> A Shot of Java - Newish coffee place with free wifi, open late, in
> downtown Glendale.  Sort of a small place compared to Next Coffee
> though.  Various restaurants and such nearby.
>
> Coffe

Re: west side during the summer

[James Mcphee]

If you don't have a webserver going, set it to 443.  They'd have a hard time
blocking that.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

> What if they block everything except for what they allow? ;)
>
> James Mcphee wrote:
> > If they block ssh, and you want to get to your home machine for irc,
> > etc.  Setup ssh on an alternate port.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM, David Huerta  > <mailto:huerta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mike
> > Schwartz > <mailto:mike.l.schwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >  > OK,
> >  > I guess I forgot, that it asks me to enter the "library card
> > number" (and a
> >  > password)
> >  > for my GLENDALE  "library card" -- which "some" persons (like,
> some
> >  > "non-Glendale" residents) do not have.
> >  > Well, I guess ONE of you, can have me log on with MY "library
> > card number"
> >  > (and password),
> >  > -- although I can "probably" only do that for one person at a
> time.
> >  > ...I forgot how inconvenient it is, to be a "non-" Glendale
> resident.
> >  > (I have lived in Glendale since Dec 1993...)
> >  > if this causes many "West Siders" to prefer some other location,
> >  > then rest assured that this "meeting room reservation" was
> >  > applied for as a "one time event".
> >  > I thought it [this place] might prove to be a good place for
> > future meetings
> >  > too;  but if that does not happen, then, OK.
> >  > --
> >  > Mike Schwartz
> >  > Glendale  AZ
> >  > schwa...@acm.org <mailto:schwa...@acm.org>
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Bob Elzer  > <mailto:bob.el...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> OK now I found the Right one.
> >  >>
> >  >> It's free, but limited
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> The Glendale Public Library currently offers high speed wireless
> >  >> connectivity at the Main Library, Foothills, and Velma Teague
> Branch
> >  >> Libraries. All visitors may use the library 's network free of
> > charge and
> >  >> no
> >  >> special encryption settings are required; however, you must
> > abide by the
> >  >> library's Internet Use Policy to connect.
> >  >>
> >  >> What can I access on the wireless network? Users of the Glendale
> > Public
> >  >> Libraries' wireless network are limited to internet access
> > (http/https),
> >  >> which requires an internet browser to be installed on your
> > device. To
> >  >> ensure
> >  >> security for both wireless users and for the library's network,
> the
> >  >> following popular technologies and protocols are NOT supported:
> >  >>
> >  >>FTP/TFTP (for file transfers)
> >  >>POP3/IMAP email clients (Outlook, for example)
> >  >>VPN (for remote network access)
> >  >>Telnet/SSH (remote client access/file transfer)
> >  >>
> >  >> http://www.glendaleaz.com/library/Wireless_FAQs.cfm
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> -Original Message-
> >  >> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > <mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>
> >  >> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > <mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>] On Behalf Of
> > Ryan
> >  >> Rix
> >  >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:28 PM
> >  >> To: schwa...@acm.org <mailto:schwa...@acm.org>; Main PLUG
> > discussion list
> >  >> Subject: Re: west side during the summer
> >  >>
> >  >> On Mon 22 June 2009 2:41:21 pm Mike Schwartz wrote:
> >  >> > [3]   the building has free wifi
> >  >> For Glendale Library cardholders (ie, residents), that is. I
> > live at 43rd
> >  >> and Union, thus am unable to use their wifi, for example,
> > without paying
> >  &

Re: west side during the summer

[James Mcphee]

if that's the case, you can use something like corkscrew to fake https
traffic

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 20:08 -0700, James Mcphee wrote:
> > If they block ssh, and you want to get to your home machine for irc,
> > etc.  Setup ssh on an alternate port.
> >
> 
> more likely they are running a proxy server with filtering...that seems to
> be what Libraries are doing these days.
>
> Not likely to be able to do much more than http/https
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: Need help choosing a C++ STL book

[James Mcphee]

My favorite 2 C++ books are as follows:

Learning to Program in C++ by Steve Heller published by Prentice Hall
The C++ Standard Library by Nicolai M Josuttis published by Addison Wesley

I'm not a professional programmer, and C++ isn't my favorite language, so
these are more reference and odd bits and bobs as opposed to tutorials.  But
in my library, they're my favorite and have the most worn bindings of my C++
books.

If you don't mind computer screen reading, I recommend Safari.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Matt Nesteruk wrote:

> I enjoy the deitel series
>
> http://www.deitel.com/articles/cplusplus_tutorials/20051209/index.html
>
> Its a big book, but has nice examples ;o)
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jerry Davis  wrote:
>
>> After about 20 years, I am now doing C++ programming. Never mind the
>> reason.
>>
>> On amazon, there are something like 13 or so books about C++ STL (Standard
>> Template Library)
>>
>> I went to Borders, and they have none. And they won't get any in so I can
>> browse.
>>
>> I want a book that has a lot of examples, and is an easy read.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a good one, off hand that they have used, that could
>> recommend?
>>
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>>
>> This email's Fortune:
>> I don't have an eating problem.  I eat.  I get fat.  I buy
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Re: OT: Shirts!

[James Mcphee]

Could go with a sort of communist-esque catchphrase like:
"Freedom is not optional"
or
"freedom || die"

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> ABELconf Tee shirt idea:
>
> Sponsorship: (list of all the sponsors for the con)
>
> 12 Steps of Free Open Source
>
>* Step 1 - We admitted Microsoft was powerless over our IT use -
> that many IT systems had become unmanageable
>* Step 2 - Came to believe that a Power greater than Microsoft
> could restore us to sanity
>* Step 3 - Made a decision to turn our IT hardware and phones over
> to the care of Free Open Software Source
>* Step 4 - Made a searching and fearless inventory of our IT security
>* Step 5 - Admitted to ourselves the exact nature of closed
> sources, IT compartmentalization and monopoly restricting wide
> engineering advancement
>* Step 6 - Were entirely ready to support FOSS through volunteering
>* Step 7 - Humbly asked everyone to expose these limiting costly
> shortcomings widely
>* Step 8 - Made a list of all areas that Microsoft had harmed, and
> became willing to find replacement solutions for them all
>* Step 9 - Made direct FOSS source, education and training
> contributions where ever possible
>* Step 10 - Continued to take IT source inventory and when
> processes and programs were too expensive and wasteful promptly
> admitted it
>* Step 11 - Sought to improve our conscious understanding of the
> truth outside of clever marketing campaigns
>* Step 12 - Having had an intellectual awakening as the result of
> these steps, we tried to carry this message to all others and to
> practice ethical FOSS principles in all our IT affairs
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Lisa Kachold
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Ryan Rix
> wrote:
> >> On Sun 12 July 2009 10:33:58 pm Lisa Kachold wrote:
> >>> Anyone have a good README shirt idea for FOSS ABLEconf?
> >>>
> >>> You don't suppose ABELconf would let me run a whole Tee shirt/swag
> booth?
> >> Ask in ABLEconf's discuss mailing list ;)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/grandma.jpg
> >>>
> >>> http://www.obnosis.com/motivatebytruth/linux-communism.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> http://dnsproblem.spreadshirt.net/en/NL/Shop/Article/Index/article/Everythi
> >>>ng-is-a-1589446
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Segment 9786902 of the Laugh at Randal Schwartz Series:
> >>> Jono Bacon,
> >>> community manager for Ubuntu (who has a wonderful accent!)
> >> Isn't that the guy who did the heavy metal version of the Free Software
> Song?
> > No that's Richard Stalman, I think:
> > http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html
> >> --
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> >> (623)-826-0051
> >>
> >> Less is more or less more
> >>-- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER
> >>
> >> http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash
> >> XMPP: phrkonale...@gmail.com  | MSN: phrkonale...@yahoo.com
> >> AIM:  phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash
> >> IRC:  phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and
> >>  countless other FOSS channels.
> >
> >
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Re: OT: Shirts!

[James Mcphee]

"Having tools doesn't mean you have to be one."  :D

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> Honestly we need to keep it from being to geeky if we want to make it
> something that business comunities can accept and be interested by
>
> learn how FOSS can something.
>
> because Open Source can breed stability
>
> because the IT toolkit can never have too many tricks <- i rather like
> this one...
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Re: ext? as fat or ntfs?

[James Mcphee]

Set up the disk as FAT and put 2 virtual disks on it?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:14 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com <
kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote:

> If it is for only few M$ machines, there are ext3 drivers for windoze.
> Else, you are pretty much stuck with NTFS/FAT.
> ET
>
>
>
>
> der.hans writes:
>
> > moin moin,
> >
> > is it possible to setup a thumb drive with a large
> > ext2/ext3/ext4/btrfs/xfs/jfs/reiserfs/whateverfs partition, but in such a
> > way that when attached to an m$ box it'll show up as some sort of fat or
> > ntfs filesystem? Maybe have a small fat automount partition with samba on
> > it that can read and export the free software filesystem?
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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Re: For all you gamers out there

[James Mcphee]

o...  purty!Gimmie!

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Tim Noeding  wrote:

> There is a game I am currently beta testing for that is on linux as well.
> Its called "Heroes of Newerth." It's from S2, the same guys who made the
> "Savage" games. If anyone is interested I'll inquire for some invite keys.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>> I saw that too from my RSS feed from Happy Penguin:
>>
>>
>> HappyPenguin
>>
>> ·Pink Pony 1.1 (updated)
>> ·Fish Supper 0.1.5.1 (updated)
>> ·Vendetta 1.8.82 (updated)
>> ·Orbit-Hopper 1.16b (updated)
>> ·Zatikon 1.0 (new)
>> ·Canta 0.2-rc1 (updated)
>> ·GearHead 2 0.541 (updated)
>> ·Dirk Dashing: Secret Agent! 1.1.1 (updated)
>> ·Only this weekend: Entire Penumbra Series for 5$
>> ·BitRock InstallBuilder 6.1.2 (updated)
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/09, Shawn Badger  wrote:
>> > I didn't give them any password to buy it, but their may be one to
>> register
>> > the game or something.
>> > I haven't installed it yet.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>> >
>> >>  I saw this in the comments section, so If you order, use a throw away
>> >> password.
>> >>
>> >> "Watch out what password you use when you register on their site - they
>> >> send it back to you as plain text in an email. Sigh..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  --
>> >> *From:* plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:
>> >> plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Shawn
>> Badger
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2009 3:25 PM
>> >> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list
>> >> *Subject:* For all you gamers out there
>> >>
>> >> There is a new game out for Linux and you can buy the entire series of
>> 3
>> >> for $5. I'm not a gamer, but for $5 I will buy them. Here is the link
>> on
>> >> /.
>> >> and a link to the game site.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/07/17/0422200/Unusual-Physics-Engine-Game-Ported-To-Linux?from=rss
>> >>
>> >> http://www.penumbragame.com/game.php
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: Hard drive Crash?

[James Mcphee]

I've had reasonable luck with SpinRite to get data off of semi-failed hard
disks.  It costs money, though.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Technomage wrote:

> mike Enriquez wrote:
> > Does anyone on the list have a software that they like to use to recover
> > data from a Hard Drive Crash?
> >
> > I don't want to pay $2000.00 for it but I would like to know what is
> > available out in the real world that Linux people like.
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Mike Enriquez
> >
> I too have a hard disk with a bad card on it. I cannot seem to find a
> replacement card to get the data
> off the drive, and the company that made the drive has explicitly told
> me that I must submit it
> to one of their authorized recovery partners in order to get the data
> off ($2,192 and change before taxes).
>
> I definitely don't have that kind of funds to waive around.
>
> any viable solution (such as an identical unused HD with the same
> electronics package) would
> be more than helpful.
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Re: "Professional Recruiters"?

[James Mcphee]

Consider that any time you put your resume out on one of those internet
sites, they get "farmed" and sit in recruiter's systems for years.  I know a
lovely lady that has a phone number I had on an old resume who lets me know
how much she appreciates this behavior.  Be aware, is all I'm saying.  Maybe
get a google voice phone # when you put your resume out there and the lose
the # when you don't want calls anymore.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> I get these all the time, also.
>
> I also get an incredible number of email and calls for other states,
> even though I clearly state I will not relocate.  I complain - but
> they continue.
>
> I state clearly on my phone some parameters for who/how I will
> consider contracts, and don't answer calls out of the area, which
> seems to work.
>
> On 8/13/09, Michael Butash  wrote:
> > Anyone else notice anymore an abundance of calls from
> > "recruiters" (which I use the term quite loosely) all seem to be coming
> > from sweatshop call centers out of various parts of the world?  Being in
> > the market for work lately, my res is flapping in the breeze on a few
> > job site, and it seems I get quite literally 4-6 calls a day from these
> > random *recruiters* that:
> >
> > a) barely/don't speak english
> > b) don't know anything about the technologies they're trying to place
> > for
> > c) call about the same lame jobs that I myself can find scouring job
> > sites
> > d) most not even relevant to my held/proclaimed job title or skills
> > e) are just plain rude
> >
> > I've gotten as many as 3 calls in 5 minutes from the same *company* with
> > different cannon-fodder reps calling me about the same job, so somewhere
> > a predictive dialer software is glitching.  Then they ask if I want a
> > job programming asp.net or something silly, just because my resume
> > mentions (begrudgingly) having windows skill, or something equally
> > asinine unrelated to my actual profession.  Once I'm annoyed and tell
> > them no, they practically instantly hang up to wardial/annoy someone
> > else.  Rinse/repeate frustration several times a day...
> >
> > I figure I can't be the only person having this joy of a time, I'm just
> > curious how pervasive this "sweatshop recruiting" has become in our
> > field?
> >
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Re: correct way to set timezone & clock/date?

[James Mcphee]

I use the ntp.org ntp servers.  http://www.pool.ntp.org/

I set my /etc/localtime to America/Phoenix, which will do MST without MDT.
How you accomplish this is dependent on your setup, of course.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Steven A. DuChene <
linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> I have a few systems here in my home that are either fedora or opensuse
> installs.
> I was setting up ganglia last night to add some monitoring to my home setup
> and discovered I had some issues with clock skew. When I got to looking I
> noticed
> that the timezones were set to MST and most of the systems were off by
> about
> a hour. What is the correct way to setup the timezone correctly for systems
> located
> here in Phoenix where daylight savings time changes do not take place?
>
> Also if you have a small home network what methods do everyone usually use
> to keep clocks in sync across the network? I.E. if you use NTP what
> externally
> reliable NTP server do you use?
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Re: Automount in Gnome

[James Mcphee]

On ubuntu systems, you have to be part of the "plugdev" group to get the
removable media automatically.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> I apologize if you have already tried this (I deleted some of the earlier
> messages after reading them).  But have you tried creating another normal
> user and logging in as that user to see what happens when you plug the USB
> device in?
>
> If that works, the problem is fairly certain to be in some setting or
> conflict for your usual user only.  If it does not the problem is likely
> something to do with how "normal" users are defined in your system and their
> permissions to do things.  The ability for a normal user to use removable
> [and writeable] devices which would commonly be denied to normal users in
> some environments.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: RIPEMD160
>>
>> Yes I followed the suggestions and updated hal and udev from the
>> testing repo but still no go.  Strangely, it works fine if I login as
>> root but from my normal user account, it just goes as far as finding
>> and identifying the device but it won't mount to save its life.  In
>> fact, if I go to Computer, the device shows up in the list of volume
>> names but if I right click and attempt to mount, it just ignores it.
>> Yet if root plugs in the device, it comes up in the Nautilus view
>> without a problem.  I can then leave it plugged in and logout from
>> root and log back in with mynormal account and the drive is still
>> accessible but mounted under root.  I guess logging out of gnome
>> doesn't unmount the drive; not sure what is supposed to happen there.
>>
>> I don't know enough about gnome internals to know where to look
>> further.  So more help would be greately appreciated.  BTW, thanks for
>> the link though; that gave me something to try.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 06:35:41AM -0700, Eric Shubert wrote:
>> > Have you seen this?
>> > http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=77716
>> >
>> > Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > > Hash: RIPEMD160
>> > >
>> > > I have a question and a problem here with the automounting of drives
>> > > and media in Gnome.  Let me try and sort out what I know here.  On my
>> > > normal user account, when I plug in a USB drive of any kind, the
>> > > automount feature of gnome doesn't take hold.  HAL discovers it ok and
>> > > even will build the sym links in /dev/disk/by-label but gnome won't
>> > > pick this up and make it available.  All the volume and removable
>> > > device options are set properly.
>> > >
>> > > Now I just tried logging into gnome this morning from my root account
>> > > and there, the device automounted and everything seemed to work
>> > > great.  I guess there is a difference between my normal user's
>> > > settings and root's.  Where can I find the settings in conf files or
>> > > whatever to possibly fix this automount problem?
>> > >
>> > > I'm running 2.6.30 kernel on an Arch Linux system with latest updates
>> > > which includes Gnome 2.26 right now.
>> > >
>> > > Any help or ideas?
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Re: 2.6.31 kernel

[James Mcphee]

Remember back when Billy said "*640K* is *more* memory *than anyone* will
ever *need"  ?

* For those of us that do, it really DID seem like a lot.  You could fit
your ENTIRE program in memory.  Why would you need such a thing?

I'm gonna save this thread for 20 years from now I can add it to the Bill
Gates quote and that one in popular science about computers fitting in a
room.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> Jim March wrote:
>
> >>>To put things back on firm earth and on-topicness... Why on earth would
> > Linus even waste his time on trying to get this much memory addressed in
> > the kernel? What is the rational behind it, besides being a publicity
> > stunt?<<
> >
> > It ensures Linux maintains dominance in supercomputing, and yeah, that
> > IS a publicity stunt...but what's wrong with that as long as it
> > doesn't hurt lesser systems?
>
> I didn't say it was wrong at all. I just think it's a little unnecessary.
>
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Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet

[James Mcphee]

I've always been against information farming without consent.  I'm far less
concerned about what will be done with the information today, since I
consider myself a well-adjusted and lawful individual.  But what happens in
20 years when societal norms have changed and someone digs up my info to
find out that I used to eat a lot of *gasp* sugar!  'cause that's just
unamerican in 2030.

In my opinion, the answer to our having "vital infrastructure" that is
easily attacked is to harden that "vital infrastructure".  Not sanction a
new generation of witch-hunters.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> mike havens wrote:
>
> > I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
> > anything so I would not get to vote.
>
> White land owning men? :P
>
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, James Lee Bell
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Jason Spatafore wrote:
> >> > Until the representatives are removed...we will constantly struggle
> >> > with this so-called Democracy. Technology has finally caught up to
> >> > where it can be used for a direct Democratic country with lower costs
> >> > than running elections every two years. Now is the time to start
> >> > implementing.
> >> I rarely get involved in these discussions, preferring to lurk, but this
> >> is a very intriguing concept that *might* actually be feasible and
> >> achievable. All we have to do is figure out how to accomplish absolutely
> >> unhackable authentication without violating every right to privacy we
> >> hold dear.  Anybody want to hack that up by next Thursday? :-)
> >>
> >> > And yes, my first vote is to eliminate paper ballots and bar people
> >> > without access to computers from elections. Sorry, a computer is
> >> > available almost everywhere you go. It's time to grow with the times
> >> > and move on.
> >> I have to say I find this specific means-testing inappropriate just
> >> considering simple demographics. Have we even broken the 50% threshold
> >> of our eligible-to-vote citizens that could have access beyond dial-up?
> >> Hey, you want to computerize (*securely*) the collection of votes in
> >> such a way that folks in "flyover country (/sarcasm)" get to use the
> >> mechanism without owning the device and infrastructure, and without the
> >> yearly trip to Bethlehem, I'm right there with you. Give it 25 years,
> >> and maybe every citizen will have some level of computing device to
> >> participate. Until then...
> >>
> >> Just to take a philosophical hitch that'll probably generate a reaction
> >> to put me back in lurk mode, I absolutely think there should be a simple
> >> means test to earn voting rights: for the government entity in which you
> >> are about to vote (fed, state, city), have you paid taxes to that entity
> >> in x% of your eligible voting life (18+)? (asbestos underwear engaged
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Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet

[James Mcphee]

Civil disobedience is a pretty extreme measure.  We're still able to
protest, etc.  If this continues for 20 years and we still get no luv, then
civil disobedience may be the only way, and that means some of us are going
to jail.  We would be breaking the law, after all.  Luckily, by then there
will be plenty of young, excitable college kids to go to jail for me.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Lyle Tuttle  wrote:

>  At 10:31 PM 8/30/2009, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
> > I think only land oners should have the right to vote. I do not own
> > anything so I would not get to vote.
>
> White land owning men? :P
>
>
>
> Ryan, I love 'ya, but:
>
> As a fat, white, land owner, Country Club Member & a Republican, I find
> this very offensive.  (And yes, I see the , but the statement serves no
> purpose, and in itself could be construed to be a racist remark - think
> about it.)
>
> Enough of the stereotyping of what some perceive to be truth.  The fact is,
> statements like these serve no purpose except to promote false logic.
>
> I am certain of this:  There are racists of all colors, but not all people
> of color are racists.  (And for you purists:  white is the absence of color,
> but is included in this statement.)
>
> lyle tuttle
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Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama Administration Seeks Emergency Control of the Internet

[James Mcphee]

 you paid taxes to that
> entity
> >>>> in x% of your eligible voting life (18+)? (asbestos underwear engaged
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> >>
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Re: Best Game Distro?

[James Mcphee]

The big killer for wine games with me is pulseaudio.  Support for pulse
under wine is not good and that causes problems.  Which means no ubuntu or
fedora.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> Like you I have a windows gaming system as well with my dual-boot, but
> the media machine i have is pure Linux
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> > Before you can really get a handle on that you need SOME idea of what
> types
> > of games they want.  If they are looking for good but simple games almost
> > any distro that includes some would be fine.  If they are looking to play
> > things like Call of Duty, Xion, EQ2, LoTR, etc they just won't be happy.
> >
> > That said, the choices listed by other folks here include lots of the in
> > between levels and some downright good stuff as well.  But you really do
> > need some clues from your friends as to what they are looking for.
> >
> > BTW, I play World of Warcraft.  And though one can run it under WINE, it
> is
> > not satisfactory for me so I have a Windows gaming machine whose primary
> > purpose is gaming  I am sorry to say.
> >
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Re: What is syntax to copy only new files?

[James Mcphee]

rsync is built for stuff like this.  I use the following in one of my sync
routines.  Your flag may vary:

rsync -avvz /path/to/source /path/to/dest

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Josef Lowder  wrote:

> What is the syntax to copy only new files from a CD backup to a hard disk?
>
> I make backups of my files onto CDs and copy them onto another computer
> to maintain redunancy.  Probably there is a better way to do this (sync,
> etc.)
> so I would also appreciate knowing what is a better way to do this.
>
> What I have been using is this:
>
> cp -rp /mnt/cdrom/foldername /home/joe/foldername 
>
> That works, but I don't want to re-write files that are unchanged,
> and I don't want to write over any files that are newer on the
> destination system.  How should this syntax be changed?
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Re: RC Service Order

[James Mcphee]

Why must all rc systems be different?  bleh.  Here's the link to freebsd's
stuff.  The dependency stuff at the bottom is what you're looking for.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/configtuning-rcd.html

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Nathan England wrote:

> Ryan Rix wrote:
> > JD Austin wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From my understanding changing the number in /etc/rc.d/rc*.d/K* or
> >> /etc/rc.d/rc*.d/S* changes the order.  If two have the same number they
> go
> >> alphabetically.
> >>
> >
> > THis is correct.
> >
> >
> Yes, except in BSD they do not use SysV init scripts like you are
> expecting in rpm or deb based systems. BSD is based on a couple of
> scripts used to start all the services. You can add SysV init support,
> but by default...
>
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Re: Need help for Installfest

[James Mcphee]

I've installed oracle 10g on centos, but I needed an xserver to do it.  I
think you can get the express version without, but at that point why not
just load the oracle express appliance?  It'll all depend on what he
actually wants to do with it, I guess.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> I have never done it. But i would suggest Centos based on the
> following link from oracle
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/smiley_10gdb_install.html
>
> unless he has any of the paid stuff that oracle "lists"
>
> and
> http://www.oracle-base.com/articles/10g/OracleDB10gR2RACInstallationOnCentos4UsingVMware.php
> adds some handy info, but it is set up to install on Centos4 in a VM,
> skip the VM and you should be fine.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> > We have someone coming Saturday to install Linux and Oracle 10g on his
> > laptop in order to explore and learn about using Oracle.  He has 40GB of
> the
> > drive set aside for this (windows on the other 40 GB).   I know nothing
> > about Oracle so it would help to have someone come who could give advice,
> > handle the Oracle install, and chat with him about his goals.
> >
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> >
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> > that I wish it always to be kept alive.
> >  - Thomas Jefferson
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Re: "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"

[James Mcphee]

Also possible you have something grabbing ahold of your sound device.  You
may want to check what you have running and whack stuff to see if it starts
working again.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Andrew Farris  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 11:08 -0700, Wayne Davis wrote:
> [snip]
> > Pulseaudio is not in use on this system.
> [snip]
> > I wonder if "alsa resume" is what i'm after? Will have to wait till it
> > fails again :-(
>
> Since from this, I assume you're using ALSA instead of Pulseaudio...
> perhaps try this:
>
>sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
>
> On newer versions of Ubuntu (though I don't remember if this was in 8.04
> or not) the "/etc/init.d/" from above has been given an alias to make
> using it faster/more convenient/less error-prone, so on a newer ubuntu
> the command becomes:
>
>sudo service alsa-utils restart
>
> Hope that helps!
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Re: Linux vs OpenBSD as a router

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rg/security.html
>>
>> Be sure to indicate to all your stakeholders that when you take down your
>> firewall to implement these fixes EVERYTHING will be either down or at risk?
>>  Be sure to dd that original kernel to backup before attempting a patch, so
>> you can swiftly roll back?  Same thing for all the juicy binary sources,
>> running unpatched...ignored and constantly under seige!
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Re: First Microsoft Store in Scottsdale

[James Mcphee]

I'm really curious what their business model is.  Unlike Mac, they aren't
the hardware vendor, so there would be some serious competition with the
Dell and Gateway stores for support work.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:38 AM, mike havens  wrote:

> A protest? They're just trying to make money!
>
>
> On 10/23/09, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2010120131_first_microsoft_store_opens_in_scottsdale.html
>>
>> anyone check it out?  should we organize a protest? ;)
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Re: packages for RHEL/CentOS

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I add dag's repo's for my RHEL and CentOS servers as well.  Redhat is just
too conservative for much of what I need to do.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 15:17 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> > moin moin,
> >
> > are RHEL and CentOS really dependent on dag's repo?
> >
> > It seems that the packages I want ( clusterssh and molly-guard in this
> > instance ) are not available via the normal repos. I even enabled the
> > extra CentOS repos ( centosplus and contrib ).
> >
> > It seems that every time I hear about a packaging issue for RHEL and
> > CentOS the answer I get is to enable dag and do an update.
> >
> > It seems strange to have to enable an external repo.
> 
> yeah but dag's repo is a really, really good repo and you can trust it.
>
> I implement it on all my servers and I only have to watch out for
> MailScanner installed perl rpm's because Dag will want to update them
> (which presents problems with updating things because of the quirky
> nature of MailScanner).
>
> But some things like subversion, RH/CentOS has something like 1.4.x and
> dag has 1.6.6...
>
> # rpm -q subversion
> subversion-1.6.6-0.1.el5.rf
>
> really, really helpful
>
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Re: How to: Run a virtual machine like it ain't happening...

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Pretty sure you're out of luck.  I normally run my XP install inside of
vmware so it can be transparently moved around, and you could do this on a
raw disk, but as for booting directly to this type of installation without a
vmware hypervisor...  Everything I know about windows says no.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:45 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com <
kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote:

> Virtual hello to everyone   :)
>
> I have done SOME research about this and I believe it can be achieved by
> "profiles".
>
>
> The environment:
> I am running a windoze (XP) laptop as a client of a Windomain.
> I have admin access to the laptop but not to the domain.
> I have to respect some seriously restrictive policies, for example: I am
> not
> allowed to repartition the HD.
>
>
> The challenge:
> I want to be able to boot the laptop native in windoze, and I want to be
> able to boot it from a USB drive in Linux and run the same XP machine
> virtual over its native partition, all this with no noticeable
> modifications
> to the Registry (or better NO modifications to the Registry) unless it is
> something that I can bill as harmless and understandable (like a
> "profile").
>
> Can it be done?
>
> I also want the reverse, to boot windoze and run Linux virtual over its own
> partition, but that one is trivial...:)
> Thanks!
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Re: Fedora firestorm and thoughts

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Well, if we have no vision, we'd be blind.  Though in this case, it seems
like they're being blinded by vision...

Anyway.  So what I see here is that they want users to install packages.
Maybe some kind of userland package system would work out.  This snafu
reminds me of committee-think.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Ed  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> > There seems to be a firestorm going on with regard to a change in the
> newly
> > released Fedora 12.
> >
> >
> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/11/18/2039229/Fedora-12-Lets-Users-Install-Signed-Packages-Sans-Root-Privileges?art_pos=1
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047
> >
> > How much this has blown up from being "slashdotted" is not an issue IMHO.
> > And I agree that it was a horrible decision to make that change be the
> > default.  I do hope they revert it.  My belief is that if they wanted
> such a
> > change it is important enough they should have retained the old behavior
> and
> > made an option to implement the new only by someone having root
> privileges
> > and proving it.
> >
> > But the real reason for this post is that I have noticed what might be a
> > trend in recent releases.  It feels like a trend to me and I find that
> > bothersome.  The trend I am talking about is for new releases to change
> > defaults and content in ways that so many reviews and tips are focussed
> on
> > how to revert the "improvements" to the prior art.
> >
> > For example, there are many positive reviews for Karmic Koala (ubuntu
> 9.10)
> > along with the usual problem reports.  But it seems that many of the
> problem
> > solutions and tips being published are how to "fix" Karmic back to the
> way
> > ubuntu used to work.  Now this thing with Fedora 12.  I get concerned
> when
> > it seems like we risk our advantages of better security and stability.
> I'm
> > all for ease of use and innovation but I wonder if some changes are going
> > too far and too fast.
> >
> > I have also noted that many changes are made to make things easier for
> new
> > users (a good thing) but along the Microsoft model of assuming users must
> be
> > stupid ... errr  don't need/want to know.  Is that bothering anyone
> > else?
> >
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> > The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
> occasions,
> > that I wish it always to be kept alive.
> >  - Thomas Jefferson
> >
>
> Fedora has apparently gone for the "Drop Trow" level of security  -
> the fix everyone is going to need is here:
>
>
> http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/polkit-and-package-kit-and-changing-settings/
>
> the bug is here:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047
>
> the quote:
>
> "you are now vulnerable to local root exploits not only in packages you
> installed, but also in packages you chose not to install."
>
> there does seam to be an effort to "dumb down" or "Up the Stupid" in
> many FOSS projects/distros. Is it just me, or do these problems crop
> up right after the developers try for a "long term vision"? should
> open source avoid the "vision thing"?
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Re: not *buntu for netbook.

[James Mcphee]

What kind of netbook do you have?   They tend towards odd hardware, and not
all distros work well on each netbook.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Trent Shipley  wrote:

> I just got a netbook and it is running Windows 7 Starter. I intend to
>
> promiscuously attach it to public networks.  I figure I can avoid a lot
> of heartache by changing the OS to Linux.
>
>
> I already have Kubuntu on my favorite desktop.  I like it, except that
> after every major upgrade it gets flaky for a while.
>
>
> 1) I'd like to use anything except *ubuntu on the netbook.  What are
> some promising options?
>
>
> 2) I assume I use a bootable memory stick to start getting the distro, yes?
>
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Re: Distro War: the netbook

[James Mcphee]

The *bunt* that I'm using disables suspend on lid close completely.  For now
at any rate.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Trent Shipley  wrote:

> By way of review:
>
>
> It looks like the little HP x  Ubuntu will work fine as a document
> reader (HTML and PDF) at hotspots (my intended function).  I just read
> some ESRI documentation at Starbucks.
>
>
> Unfortunately it won't wake after being suspended (like when you open
> the lid).  A quick Google search indicates that Canonical is having
> problems with this bug.  Some OEMs are upset, so I expect it to be fixed
> soon.
>
>
>
> Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> > Stephen wrote:
> >
> >
> >> see if you have ndis wrapper installed and maybe you can wake it up?
> >> you might possibly have the first netbook with an incompatible nic in
> >> it for linux, as the linux community seems to work hard at making that
> >> work.
> >>
> >>
> > jockey/Hardware Drivers installed drivers.  Wireless now works.
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Trent Shipley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I got netbook Ubuntu installed and working beautifully...except for
> >>> wireless networking.  Unfortunately, the main reason for getting a
> >>> netbook was for wireless networking.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Trent Shipley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Tuna wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> *bump because the timestamp is crazy-early and probably at the bottom
> >>>>> of everyone's mail client*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ryan Rix will tell you Fedora, and can also tell you a thing or two
> about
> >>>>> bootable USB drives on netbooks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can you tell us what make and model of netbook it is?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook
> >>>>
> >>>> Wound up going with this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> HP Mini 110-1125NR
> >>>> s/n CNU94438GZ
> >>>> p/n VM 135UA#ABA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Your messages appear to be getting greylisted, so Ryan may want to
> take
> >>>>> this discussion off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Excerpts from Trent Shipley's message of Fri Nov 20 17:04:57 -0700
> 2009:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I just got a netbook and it is running Windows 7 Starter.  I intend
> to
> >>>>>> promiscuously attach it to public networks.  I figure I can avoid a
> lot
> >>>>>> of heartache by changing the OS to Linux.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I already have Kubuntu on my favorite desktop.  I like it, except
> that
> >>>>>> after every major upgrade it gets flaky for a while.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1) I'd like to use anything except *ubuntu on the netbook.  What are
> >>>>>> some promising options?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2) I assume I use a bootable memory stick to start getting the
> distro, yes?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Re: Question About Module Loading

[James Mcphee]

Normally blacklist mods that I don't like in /etc/modules.d/blacklist.*
files.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:53 AM, Craig White wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 22:30 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote:
> > I just installed Debian stable (2.6-amd64 kernel) on a machine. I had
> > to remove the kernel module for the Ethernet card and add a different
> > one. The new module compiled etc and works. However, I had a problem
> > preventing the old module from loading. There was no modprobe.conf
> > file, but instead a directory modprobe.d with a lot of files in it.
> > However, I could not find the expected alias line with the bad
> > module's name. I finally googled a solution, and I am curious if this
> > is the new way to disabling a kernel module:
> > I created a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ called 00local. That file has one
> > line: install r8169 /bin/true. This prevented the module r8169 from
> > being loaded. I grepped all of /etc/ looking for r8169 and could not
> > find where it was being loaded. I am so confused
> >
> > G'night and Happy Holidays to everyone!
> 
> /lib/modules/_ YOUR_KERNEL _/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
>
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Re: OT: BOOKS

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Project Gutenberg is a favorite of mine.  Books who's copyrights have
expired and have fallen into the public domain make it up there.
http://www.gutenberg.org

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 1:06 PM, JD Austin  wrote:

> http://my.safaribooksonline.com/
> Though it isn't free.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Steve Phariss wrote:
>
>> Try the library website   I seem to remember an article talking aobut
>> the services at teh Phoenix library that included books online
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:53 AM, mike havens  wrote:
>>
>>> Could someone point out a website that is like a public library where we
>>> can read books online? Google has proven to give me too much junk.
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Re: UNetbootin

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The only advice I have for using it is to wipe your USB stick completely.  I
had a USB stick that I was using to boot ubuntu distros from that I created
with the ubuntu USB Startup Disk creator.  Unfortunately that tool doesn't
work for non-ubuntu distros terribly well and in trying to get eb4 to boot I
used unetbootin.  That led to interesting problems that took me a while to
figure out.  Anyway, my advice is to wipe the usb disk before setting up
unetbootin on it as it doesn't seem it can deal with all oddities.

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> They have a Linux tool, but i think they are working out some quirks
> to it. but great to have in a pinch, no install just run the
> executable.
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> > LOTS of variations on the theme at http://www.pendrivelinux.com/including
> > ways to build a bootable USB Flash Drive that can boot multiple
> > distributions.  The only unfortunate thing I see is the base constructor
> for
> > the flash drive seems to be a windows only program.
> >
> > Very cool stuff!
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Stephen  wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a great little app, it has both windows and Linux versions.
> >>
> >> Its entire purpose is to put an ISO or Linux livecd onto USB
> >>
> >> I'm using the windows client to make USB boot SD cards and
> >> thumb-drives with much amusement.
> >>
> >> From the top of the page so you get a summary
> >>
> >> Packages: Ubuntu Debian Fedora Suse Arch Gentoo More
> >>
> >> Introduction
> >>
> >> UNetbootin allows you to create bootable Live USB drives for a variety
> >> of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to
> >> burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many
> >> distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply your own
> >> Linux .iso file if you've already downloaded one or your preferred
> >> distribution isn't on the list.
> >>
> >> Requirements
> >>
> >> Microsoft Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7, or Linux. If you are having trouble
> >> with the Linux version, try the Windows version, it usually works
> >> better.
> >> A broadband internet connection to download the distribution's .iso
> >> file (unless you're using pre-downloaded files)
> >>
> >> Features
> >>
> >> UNetbootin can create a bootable Live USB drive, or it can make a
> >> "frugal install" on your local hard disk if you don't have a USB
> >> drive. It can load distributions by automatically downloading their
> >> ISO (CD image) files, or by using existing ISO files, floppy/hard disk
> >> images, or kernel/initrd files, for installing other distributions.
> >>
> >> --
> >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from
> >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
> >>
> >> Stephen
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Re: Depressing IT Job Prospects

[James Mcphee]

>From the same background of trying to hire people, I'm usually looking for
specific skills.  So if your resume didn't get you anything, CHANGE IT!!!
With the amount of people out there, I've had to fall back onto keyword
searches to net me a somewhat sane #.  And I just keep adding keywords until
the numbers get down into something I can manage.


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Re: Members Map on PLUG site.

[James Mcphee]

Join freenode.net's IRC channel #plugaz and say hi to us!

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jamie Shackles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I have not been able to get the members map to work on the site.  The white
> pop up boxes above the arrows work, but there is nothing in the boxes.  I
> met a lot of cool people at Wings and Rings the other night, and am trying
> to remember a couple of their names. Any other ways to access the list of
> members?
>
> *~ Jamie*
>
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Re: ESXi vs. XEN

[James Mcphee]

If you ignore things like mindshare and stuff like that, Xen requires
hardware integration on both the host and the client.  VMWare does not
require that.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Richard Daggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> In small enviroment what is better.  I thought performace was in XEN, but I
> see alot of poeple using VMWare.  Why?
>
> Richard
>
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Re: encryption again

[James Mcphee]

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 7:39 PM, JD Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I haven't used it but I know people that to:
> > http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM, jdawg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> with all the other stuff that's on my plate at work, I don't have the
> >> time to study encryption techniques or implement them.
> >>
> >> so I need help from the group.
> >>
> >> on my laptop, I am told I have to encrypt my /home directory.
> >> this is for redhat, not another flavor.
> >>
> >> 1) has anyone done this in the group?
> >> 2) if so, what did you use?
> >> 3) what packages did you have to install/build?
> >> 4) if you did implement it successfully, what were the steps you used?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Happy Trails!
> >> Jerry (K7AZJ)
> >> Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown
> >> Registered Linux User: 275424
> >>
>
> Jerry,
>
> HowToForge is always a good place to check:
>
> what you want:
> http://howtoforge.org/encrypted-root-lvm
>
> if you want to do a whole disc - or figure out how it works for just
> one partition:
> http://howtoforge.org/ubuntu_dm_crypt_luks
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What version of redhat?  It will help determine what tools you have
available without major modification.


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Re: bash: how to echo files to text file with new line

[James Mcphee]

for i in $( ls *.mp3 )
do
echo $i >> music_file
done

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:16 AM, Mike Hoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm trying to write a python program that uses bash to make and use a
> text file based on the contents of a directory. Simply put I just want
> the text file to appear like this:
>
> 1.mp3
> 2.mp3
> 3.mp3
>
> and so on.
>
> I've tried:
>
> echo *.mp3 > music_file
>
> that puts them all in one line:
> 1.mp3 2.mp3 3.mp3 and so on
>
> I know you are supposed to use \n for new lines, but can't seem to get
> it to work in command line. Can somebody explain to me how to do it?
>
> echo \n *.mp3 > music_file results in
>
> n 1.mp3 2.mp3 and so on
>
> if I enclose \n in quotes it just prints:
> \n 1.mp3 2.mp3 and so on
>
> Any help appreciated.
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Re: OT: Free OpenSource JAD/J2EE WAP SSH Client for Phones

[James Mcphee]

Port knocking?
http://www.portknocking.org/

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Re: MySQL premium services?

[James Mcphee]

Derby!!!
http://db.apache.org/derby/

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 3:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wars are GOOD!!!
> I didn't know about this one!   :)
> I'll do some readings while I shop for grenades on ebay...   8)
> Enrique
>
>
>
> Bryan ONeal writes:
>
> > Oh Yha! DB War!  I say use IBM DB2 9.5C.  It's free, stable, well
> > supported by the community, has an all you can eat support plan for
> > $3K/yr/server and a number of built in features that make it an
> > excellent enterprise platform.
> >
> > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 16:53 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Use Postgres...   :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Joshua Zeidner writes:
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> >   Has anyone here used MySQL premium services?  Did you think they are
> a
> >> > good value?
> >> >
> >> > -jmz
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Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back

[James Mcphee]

Hmm...  Whether or not the story is real doesn't really affect us one way or
the other.  I believe we can all agree that the action taken in this
possibly fictitious account is not a good example of how to advance the FOSS
cause.

In the discussion, though, it seems that people have seen problems with
educators needing educating about the alternatives to MS.  Does anyone know
any good material that doesn't speak down to the lay-person?  I've found
that most people, and cash-strapped educators particularly, are open to new
information if presented in a non-threatening and non-confrontational
manner.

MS dumps billions into advertising with little to counter it.  It's no
wonder the average joe/jane has a skewed perception of history and their
current options.  I think having a simple response to someone spouting the
MS tagline would be beneficial to the cause.  Something like "Please visit
intelligent-sounding-site-name.com if you want to hear the other side of the
story."  I've looked a bit, and most of the FOSS propoganda can best be
described as erudite and at worst, rabid.  Does anyone know of a good site
that can be referenced to ejumacate folks?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Lisa Kachold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:31:27 -0700
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> >> Subject: Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Alex Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Personally I believe that this blog is false. I think it was made
> up
> >> >>>> just to spark a FOSS/MS debate, just like this one we're having
> now!
> >> >>>> :)
> >> >>>> Just smells a little fishy to me...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I was thinking the exact same thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> Same here... the story seems very fabricated.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Could be. But the "believe me because you're dumber than me" attitude
> >> > that
> >> > the blogger takes toward this teacher (fictional or no) is quite real,
> >> > and a
> >> > problem that many of us suffer from.
> >>
> >> well that does contribute to my opinion... seems like hes creating
> >> this effigy of the evil anti-OSS person and then tearing her apart.
> >> The whole thing just seems generally like a stupid scheme concocted by
> >> some sophomoric linux user. Note that there are no sources, no real
> >> names, what looks like some kind of institutional name (but you can't
> >> make out what it is). Ive seen totally false stories like this
> >> propagate through the net, so I have my doubts.
> >>
> >> -jmz
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I think it's a barrier to spreading free software when its advocates
> are
> >> > poor at making a point non-technical people will understand and relate
> >> > to.
> >> > That was the point of my initial comment, and I think valid regardless
> >> > of
> >> > the underlying facts of this particular story. Don't tell people why
> >> > they're wrong/misguided/stupid. It only turns people off. Focus on
> >> > what's
> >> > good about what you're doing, not what's bad about what they're doing.
> >> >
> >> > alex
> >> >
> >
> > Yes it's an urban anti-technology myth, cleverly posted here by trolls!
>
>   awesome picture.  I wonder if those things are genetically related to
> Furbys.
>
>  an interesting thing I've noticed in recent years is that 'troll'
> has come to be used interchangeably with 'someone who doesnt agree
> with me'.
>
>  -jmz
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Re: SSH to GNOME keyring

[James Mcphee]

Google-foo says

gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/gnome-keyring/daemon-components/ssh false

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/Ssh

I can't say if it work, as I like the little poppup.


On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:30 PM, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> after and upgrade to Intrepid, SSH ( run from a shell in screen ) is
> popping up a gnome-keyring GUI asking for the password to unlock a private
> key.
>
> This is essentially a DoS in addition to being annoying on many levels.
>
> Since I run it from screen and don't actually look at that desktop very
> often, I didn't realize there was a GUI waiting for a response. There
> should not have been.
>
> Once I detected the GUI I notice it refuses to yield focus. Double-bad.
> Ah, it'll yeild the focus, but not the keyboard. Even more double-bad.
>
> DISPLAY is not set, so there should be no GUI popping up for any reason.
>
> I generally run this particular command remotely, so knowing that a GUI
> popped up doesn't really help. Well, I can kill the GUI via another shell
> should I remember what the problem is.
>
> Any suggestions on how to turn this GUI off?
>
> I can remove ssh-askpass-gnome and break ubuntu-desktop.
>
> I can remove id_dsa.
>
> In other circumstances neither of those would be an option. I suppose I
> could use -i to specify a non-existent identity file, but intentionally
> breaking things generally seems like the wrong solution.
>
> ciao,
>
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Re: Simple Script issue..??

[James Mcphee]

kill won't take a list from stdout, but if you | xargs kill, then it'll
happily do it.

ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0-9]* | xargs kill
or kill -9

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Bryan O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Change the direction of the kill input.  It may be simpler to use pkill.
> Maybe just change up the script to take in the input as a var and then
> pkill
> -f "$var"
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wayne
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:43 PM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Simple Script issue..??
>
> ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill
>
>
> WILL NOT WORK.
>
> I want to run the above script "whack" like this:   whack  kicker
> which should kill the process "kicker"
>  But it chokes at the "kill" part and I do not know what I'm doing.
> and doing wrong  :-)
>
> Anybody?
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Re: Linux Administration - Users in (any) database howto/why...

[James Mcphee]

If you still feel the need to have local authentication via postgres, there
is a PAM module for it that occassionally works.

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Ben Browning  wrote:

> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
>
>> I suggest you keep /etc/passwd and /etc/group for real linux users and
>>>> add "virtual users" support to each of the applications that need it.
>>>>
>>> This is exactly what I am trying to do.
>> If I understand you well, I am devising a solution for a problem that I
>> don't have...   :(
>>
>
> Yes, basically- you are trying to make the screwdriver work when what you
> want is a crescent wrench. ProFTPD and Postfix can both work with MySQL
> backends, and I believe with Postgres too but I am a MySQL guy so I stick
> with that. With a little work, you can make them work with the same DB.
>
> That said, LDAP is indeed the better option if you ever plan to scale a lot
> and/or add services.
>
> ~Ben
>
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Re: Can I safely delete all the "0" size files in /home/username/tmp ?

[James Mcphee]

These are sockets for corba.  You can safely remove any of the socket files
that existed before the last reboot.  Your system "should" do this
automatically, but I'm guessing whatever you have doesn't clean up your user
tmp.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM, James Finstrom  wrote:

> The answer often depends on the software I have often seen scripts and
> programs touch files for reference
>
> On 1/4/09, Josef Lowder  wrote:
> > In my /home/username/tmp/orbit -username directory, I have hundreds of
> files
> > of "0" (zero) file size dating back three years.  Is there any reason
> > why all these
> > files cannot be deleted?  And why aren't they automatically deleted at
> > reboot
> > if the are, in fact, just 'tmp' files?
> >
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec  9 06:33 linc-985-0-5ade3bcfbbb33
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec 15 07:05 linc-7a43-0-f80783d1f283
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec 15 07:15 linc-7aae-0-5a1a5effe7972
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec 15 07:15 linc-7ab0-0-7db99ee517913
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec 27 10:25 linc-4650-0-3a4016ed619f1
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Dec 27 10:25 linc-466e-0-2bd9b9541657b
> > -rw-rw-r--  1 joe joe 661 Jan  3 01:19 bonobo-activation-server-ior
> > srwxr-xr-x  1 joe joe   0 Jan  4 13:30 linc-6c0d-0-5efb73cbc5321
> > srwxrwxr-x  1 joe joe   0 Jan  4 13:30 linc-6bfe-0-744fa82528c43
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Re: HackFest Series: OpenSSL, MD5, CA security flaws

[James Mcphee]

I have NOT seen this alert flash across the internal APAR  systems of a
couple major services companies either.  I've done my best to fix what's
available to me, but that doesn't excuse the industry's lack of response to
this problem.  Maybe they're waiting on CNN to show some poor mom&pop shop
getting pwned.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:43 PM, James Lee Bell wrote:

> I know my company sure as heck did. When all our feeds got the news on
> the 30th, we were digging through all of our own certs ensuring we
> didn't have an issue there. Then pushing plans to the server guys to
> start looking at OpenSSL upgrades soon as they came out.
>
> All of the certs/listed CA's that are embedded in the browsers by the
> vendors are another matter entirely. Does one go overboard and rip out
> the cert for every one that isn't using RSA hash, or wait for the b
> browser vendors with baited breath and crossed fingers?
>
> Lisa Kachold wrote:
> > I just talked with two admins from a well known solutions provider who
> > didn't know anything about these issues?
> >
> > Is anyone taking this seriously?
> >
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Re: Trying Fedora

[James Mcphee]

WIth ubuntu 8.10, I've had a problem  with Pidgin sound and pulse-audio
creating a huge memory leak.  But settinng pidgin to use Alsa solves that.
That's about the only problem I've had with any of my hardware.  Xubuntu is
a stripped-down implementation, and that may be part of your issue.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> I had no stability issues with 8.10 well none that I didn't create
>
> On 1/23/09, Jason  wrote:
> > If you're finding a lot of distros freezing up, you may be looking at a
> > memory issue in your computer.
> >
> > Be sure it's the distro and not actually a hardware issue.
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 19:48 -0700, leegold wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm finding Xubuntu 8.10 to be unstable.  A lot of people on this list
> >> seem to be into Fedora disto - I'm downloading the iso now. It's ashame,
> >> Xubuntu feels wonderful - but it acts weird, things freeze and crash. My
> >> theory is that there are so many distros that the quality of the
> >> programmers is spreading thin...I don't think it reflects on Debian, I
> >> tried the desktops based on freeBsd which is rock solid and fast. But
> >> those distros where unstable too. Slackware desktops had problems too.
> >>
> >> Lee G.
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Re: Google Problem 1/31

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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Someone at the instalfest said he was getting google results that every
> page referenced was bad.  Here is the explanation from Google:
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/this-site-may-harm-your-computer-on.html
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Wow.  A notable lack of the standard blame game.  That's a downright
refreshing press release.

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Re: Open source project management

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I used dotproject for a while.  It was pretty good at defining projects,
assigning tasks, tracking hours, etc.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> This is a tough one as all the really free stuff wants bash for the server
> side
>
> I saw one go by that was web based and I rather liked it in concept
>
> Ill see if I can find it
>
> On 2/15/09, Bryan O'Neal  wrote:
> > I am looking for some good open source project management software.  My
> only
> > requirements is that it be client server based and have the ability to
> > summarize action items across multiple projects.  The question I have for
> > all of you is what do you like and why?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bryan O'Neal
> > O'Neal & Associates
> > Phone: (602) 295-4356
> > Fax: (602) 795-6050
> > E-Mail: bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com
> >
> >
> >  <http://mlwtech.blogspot.com/> Blogger  <http://twitter.com/BryanONeal>
> > Twitter  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thebryanoneal> Linkedin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: bulk rename pod1 > pod2 needed

[James Mcphee]

assuming you're just trimming off ccna, pc1, and ext

for i in $( ls )
do
mv $i $( echo $i | awk -F. '{ print $3 }' )
done

That would move them to pod# names.

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Dennis Kibbe wrote:

> Can someone suggest a way to rename a directory of files like this:
>
> ccna.pod1.pc1.ext is renamed to ccna.pod2.pc1.ext
> ccna.pod2.pc1.ext is renamed to ccna.pod3.pc1.ext
>
> and so on.
>
> (Aside: Hans, if I were able to take your scripting class I won't be asking
> this now. :-)
>
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Re: Booting To Terminal

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If you want to go as far as the "reconfigure default boot level" guy did,
just remove gdm.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Nathan England wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 08:38:04 you wrote:
> > I prefer booting into runlevel 4, as it's still multiuser, just no GUI,
> > whereas runlevel 2 is not.
> >
> > id:4:initdefault:
> >
>
>
> That is good to know, I thought run level 2 was the same as 5 in
> debian/ubuntu
> systems, except no X.
>
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Re: Layer 0/1 Issue

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If it has an internal speaker, you can echo noise into the device.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>>  I've lost a machine.. literally _lost!
>>
>> It responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in
>> my apartment it is.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> <http://www.obnosis.com/>
>>
> TiVo or other DVR unit?, a machine with 2 nics (or set to use 2 IPs), a
> repeater, household control device, even a TV?
>
> Do you keep a list of mac addresses or have a scan utility that will report
> them?  Maybe 2 IPs having the same mac address?
>
> BTW, you said it responded to pings but not how you were addressing it.
> BTW, if you don't know where/what it is, how did you find it?  Maybe it
> responded to a broadcast or something?
>
> Anyway, you are much more likely to figure it out than I so these thoughts
> are really just food for your thoughts.  :)
>
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Re: language differences between linux and windows

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:)  Yeah, you could convert it to ascii and then ftp it to the windows box
in ascii mode

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:

>  also, if you're using FTP the ascii/binary setting may make a
> difference, so I would try that route if all else fails.
>
>  -jmz
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jerry Davis  wrote:
> > I am using Rational ClearQuest, and am using the CQ Import process to
> import
> > from a csv file which I produced on a linux box.
> >
> > The linux backend database is Oracle, and is a utf8 database.
> > The windows box I am using to do the import (there is no import binary on
> > linux), thinks it is WINDOWS-1252
> >
> > My csv file has some spanish characters. I can see them in the csv file i
> > produce. However, when I copy from linux (any means like scp, or a samba
> mount
> > point), the file characters actually change.
> >
> > I have tried installing iconv (using cygwin), and tried:
> > $ iconv -s -c -f UTF-8 -t WINDOWS-1252 file > newfile
> >
> > It does not look the same as when it was on linux.
> >
> > Does anyone know what else I could do, to copy a utf8 file to a
> windows-1252
> > file?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Large Server Farm Automation

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cfengine is also a good configuration management tool, if somewhat more
dated.

Does anyone know of an alternative for puppet on aix?  PuppetAIX is somewhat
lacking :(

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

>  http://augeas.net/ provides for configuration management, while puppet is
> exceptionally slick for all manner of large server farm roll-outs and
> management:
>
>
>
> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1262344,00.html
>
> Generally, rather than scripting all manner of roll-outs, choosing either
> of these to build upon in subsequent work, will provide management in s-hexy
> ROI of effort for any administrator.
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Re: Got a text formatting/database question ("bash" it to hell?)

[James Mcphee]

awk '$2~/170/ {print}' filename

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I have an interesting database problem that I think can be solved on
> the command line in one shot.  But I don't know how :(.
>
> I have a comma separated values text file.  Each line shows a voter ID
> number and an election ID number they voted in.  NOT who they voted
> for, and not their names, just that they voted in that election (cast
> a ballot at all, even if blank).
>
> There are multiple elections a given voter likely voted for.  So
> here's the section for two voter IDs (first column) and the elections
> they voted in (second column) plus the method used to vote (third
> column) if it was early or mail-in (which I can ignore).  In pasting
> it to EMail (from Openoffice spreadsheet used as a quick viewer)
> they're separated by spaces but in the original data it's commas.
>
> ---
> 233 2
> 233 3
> 233 4
> 233 5
> 233 6
> 233 7
> 233 31
> 233 32
> 233 38
> 233 41
> 233 45
> 233 55
> 233 57
> 233 95
> 233 96
> 235 2
> 235 3
> 235 4
> 235 5
> 235 6
> 235 7
> 235 31  Early Ballot
> 235 32  Early Ballot
> 235 38
> 235 45
> 235 55
> 235 57  Early Ballot
> 235 95  Early Ballot
> 235 96  Early Ballot
> 235 125
> 235 126 Early Ballot
> 235 143
> 235 147 Early Ballot
> 235 148 Early Ballot
> 235 170 Early Ballot
> ---
>
> So what I want to do is, strip out every line that does NOT have a
> "170" in the second column, and then produce a line count.  I need to
> know (like ASAP) how many people voted in election 170 as that's the
> 2006 RTA special election in Pima County now subject to a recount.
> And then I can do a second pass using the same technique and find out
> how many people filed an early ballot by stripping out those and
> counting lines again (and doing basic subtraction).
>
> Help?  This is about a criminal ivestigation going on right now
> regarding this election...
>
> Thanks!
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Oracle buys Sun!

[James Mcphee]

It was just announced that Oracle is buying Sun.  This is not a drill.  How
is this going to play out for Java and MySQL?

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Re: opensync Palm/Sunbird

[James Mcphee]

I had good like with gpilot and my treo 700p.  It wasn't anything
mindblowing, but it did the job just fine.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ryan Rix  wrote:

> Opensync with kde-pim and palm plugin are wishy washy at best, fry your
> data bad at worst.
>
> Kpilot can configure what .ics files to sync with for tasks, calendar and a
> vcard file for bookmarks, so youcould configure it to sync with sunbird if
> you wanted.
>
> Kpilot > opensync in my experience. (if you've got KDE libraries)
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Matthew A Coulliette 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am considering buying a Palm Treo 650 (T-mobile). From what I have
>> learned so far I should be able to sync it with opensync,
>> (opensync-plugin-palm/sunbird). I was wondering if anyone had any tips,
>> comments, or opinions on this subject.  Thanks.
>>
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Re: 9.04 netbook remix ?

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There's a distro based on ubuntu specifically for the eeepc.
http://eeebuntu.org

They're still working on beating the 9.04 bugs out (which they will release
as eeebuntu 3.0).  The current eeebuntu 2.0 is pretty solid, however.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:41 PM, JD Austin  wrote:

> I tried ubuntu on the eee 701 and didn't like it as much as Mandrake
> 2008/2009.
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> the average voter."
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sean Roe  wrote:
>
>> what netbook do you have?  I have an Eee PC 900 and there are
>> supposedly still some issues on it.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Stephen  wrote:
>> > Anyone else try the netbook remix yet?
>> >
>> >
>> > So far I am liking it
>> >
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Re: Free Webhost

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I don't remember them specifying hardware vs software servers.  I think
we're assuming software servers in this case.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> server desktop and workstation are simply a role definition of how a
> computer is used
>
> regardless of OS/Hardware.
>
> It is our need to specialize hardware fro the roles and those needs
> that makes it common for people think that the hardware is what
> defines a role.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Lisa Kachold 
> wrote:
> > Well, "server" under Linux is vague (since a desktop is certainly as
> > powerful), however the business use stipulations also are unreasonable,
> > unenforceable, and the description certainly doesn't cover home business
> or
> > remote access for work purposes, as well?
> >
> > Many people run Windows MSN Entertainment "servers"; by definition TIVO
> or
> > MythTV is a server?
> >
> > ---> Lisa Playing Devil's Advocate!
> >
> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Judd Pickell  wrote:
> >>
> >> Depending on how you construe Server, I think that most people would be
> in
> >> violation of this, considering the vast amount of software that runs a
> >> process continually that listens on specific ports and responds to
> >> requests..
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Judd
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Lisa Kachold 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I believe we all have our interpretation of laws and rules in America;
> >>> unless there are consequences?
> >>>
> >>> Actually, you agree with the Acceptable Use Policy that you will not
> run
> >>> a "server".  It also addresses business use in a vague way (doesn't
> everyone
> >>> use their home office for "business")?
> >>>
> >>> Commercial Use. The Service is designed for personal, non-business
> >>> related use of the Internet and may not be used for commercial
> purposes. You
> >>> may not resell or otherwise charge others to use the residential
> Service.
> >>> You agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service
> >>> provider, or for any other business enterprise, including, without
> >>> limitation, IP address translation or similar facilities intended to
> provide
> >>> additional access. Cox Business Services offers commercial Internet
> >>> services.
> >>>
> >>> Servers. You may not operate, or allow others to operate, servers of
> any
> >>> type or any other device, equipment, and/or software providing
> server-like
> >>> functionality in connection with the Service, unless expressly
> authorized by
> >>> Cox.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.cox.com/policy/
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> My interpretation of the AUP, is that they don't want you running then
> >>>> "Next Slashdot" or "Face Book", with lots of traffic.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are only going to use it for personal access, and maybe to show
> >>>> family photos to friends, then I don't think it would be a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are we talking Hundreds, Thousands, or 20 visitors ?
> >>>>
> >>>> 
> >>>> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> >>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
> James
> >>>> Finstrom
> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:30 AM
> >>>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> >>>> Subject: OT: Free Webhost
> >>>>
> >>>> So I have cox at home so I obviously would violate the AUP self
> hosting
> >>>> and frankly I am cheap... wait no frugal. Anyway I would like to find
> a
> >>>> place to host my domain free but without ads or if it has ads it
> allows
> >>>> choice of placement in the design.
> >>>>
> >>>> I use the page for:
> >>>> Public display of personal projects (usually involving LAMP components
> >>>> and libcurl is a definite desire)
> >>>> Personal home page and info
> >>>> Code dumping of projects and shell scripts for peer review.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I imagine traffic will be low as I am not that popular of a person but
> >>>> you can never have too much storage or bandwith..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> James Finstrom
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Re: Terminal services to linux clients.

[James Mcphee]

I'm guessing that 3rd party app tied to regular terminal services is
Citrix.  That does work perfectly fine under mac and linux, though you have
to have their software.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> here is an interesting intellectual exercise.
>
> http://www.vanhorenbeeck.be/blog/?p=14
>
> Basically is the Linux available RDP compatible with terminal services
> remote application or "remote APP" and maybe can I get it to work with
> Terminal services Web access
>
> So far FF cannot gain access to the web hosted apps without the above IE
> tab.
>
> But i recall finding an article that tells how to host just an "app"
> via RDP to a Linux client via traditional terminal services and some
> 3rd party app.
>
> and does anyone know if the IE Tab plugin will work on a Linux machine
> or does it just Tabify an IE browser session?
>
> In any case any input here is welcome because it might allow me some
> interesting abilities for non windows machines.
>
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Re: OT: "A Blueprint to Stop Browser Attacks" [technologyreview.com "via" acm TechNews]

[James Mcphee]

Vigilant, but not paranoid.  XSS exists for a reason.  A better solution
IMHO would be to require the remote content to be signed by a particular
source or something along those lines.  Just my 2 cents.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> given Lisa's previous rants I'm thinking both, and she would be right.
>
> it is in everyone's best interest to be vigilant.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Alex Dean  wrote:
> >
> > On May 15, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> >
> >> it's IMPORTANT to realize that WE ALL MUST BE SECURITY EXPERTS
> >
> > Who is 'we'?  Programmers/admins/hackers, or the general public?
> >
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Re: List of Command Line Tools

[James Mcphee]

Screen is the greatest tool EVER!!!  A CLI window manager!  I mean, DUDE!!!

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Bryan O'Neal
wrote:

> I'll be honest I have been reading this and going "oh yha, that is a good
> one" but I have never heard of screen until now
> http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/screen/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Matrix
> Mole
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Subject: Re: List of Command Line Tools
>
> I am surprised, with all these great command line tools that have been
> mentioned no one has yet to mention screen, an almost vital component in my
> toolbox for command line usage.
>
> Other programs I use that I don't believe I've seen mentioned:
>
> rtorrent - Torrents
> mcabber - Jabber tool (connected to gchat) uudeview - used to decode binary
> files from newgroups
>
> I've tried both tin and slrn for newsgroup reading, both work great for
> text, but for some reason seem to fail at binary newgroup usage in my
> opinion (been over a year since I used newsgroups though so couldn't say
> off
> the top of my head why now). I've found nget works great for pure binaries
> though.
>
> I've been trying to find a really good imap based command line email client
> that blends almost perfectly with gmail and it's inability to accurately
> implement imap according to the RFCs (basically something that does similar
> to thunderbird but via command line instead). I've tried mutt, but it
> generated extra emails whenever I send for some reason (they appear in my
> inbox as replies of my email for some reason, causing unnecessary clutter).
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Re: List of Command Line Tools

[James Mcphee]

I have an admin that loves to open bunches of screen sessions and leave them
open forever.  This eventually kills the box, obviously.  Screen is a great
tool that does not in any way prevent people from doing goofy things.

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> I used to annoy my admins in school because i was the monster of
> screen abuse on that server.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Bryan O'Neal
>  wrote:
> > I'll be honest I have been reading this and going "oh yha, that is a good
> > one" but I have never heard of screen until now
> > http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/screen/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of
> Matrix
> > Mole
> > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:06 AM
> > To: Main PLUG discussion list
> > Subject: Re: List of Command Line Tools
> >
> > I am surprised, with all these great command line tools that have been
> > mentioned no one has yet to mention screen, an almost vital component in
> my
> > toolbox for command line usage.
> >
> > Other programs I use that I don't believe I've seen mentioned:
> >
> > rtorrent - Torrents
> > mcabber - Jabber tool (connected to gchat) uudeview - used to decode
> binary
> > files from newgroups
> >
> > I've tried both tin and slrn for newsgroup reading, both work great for
> > text, but for some reason seem to fail at binary newgroup usage in my
> > opinion (been over a year since I used newsgroups though so couldn't say
> off
> > the top of my head why now). I've found nget works great for pure
> binaries
> > though.
> >
> > I've been trying to find a really good imap based command line email
> client
> > that blends almost perfectly with gmail and it's inability to accurately
> > implement imap according to the RFCs (basically something that does
> similar
> > to thunderbird but via command line instead). I've tried mutt, but it
> > generated extra emails whenever I send for some reason (they appear in my
> > inbox as replies of my email for some reason, causing unnecessary
> clutter).
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Re: Error # 13 When booting to XP in Grub

[James Mcphee]

I'm guessing your winders drive isn't root (hd0,1).  Remember that grub and
linux order their disks differently.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Mike Hoy  wrote:

> I just installed Ubuntu on this laptop and when I first looked for XP in
> the grub menu list it wasn't there. I googled it and the web page said to
> add the following:
>
> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> root (hd0,1)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
>
> I get Error # 13 *"Invalid or unsupported executable format" Now that I've
> added those lines.
>
> Question: Does it matter where I add it at? I added it before:
> ***### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
>
> Also here is my fdisk info:
> Disk /dev/sda: 60.0 GB, 60011642880 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 7296 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x321d321c
>
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1   2307124659775f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/sda2   *30723320 292+  82  Linux swap /
> Solaris
> /dev/sda33321729631937220   83  Linux
> /dev/sda5   2307124659743+   7  HPFS/NTFS
>
>
> I added the fdisk info because on one forum it was asked for and never
> provided.
>
> Thanks for any help.
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Re: Error # 13 When booting to XP in Grub

[James Mcphee]

It's also possible that sda isn't disk 0 in grub and they need to try
something closer to hd2,4 or 1,4 or whatever.  the rest of the grub config
would answer that pretty quick.

On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Does it seem strange to anyone else that sda1 and sda5 look to start and
> end in the same place?  Their size is different but that's probably because
> they are listed as being in different formats.  I suspect the partition
> table is hosed.  Even if sda1 were just an extened partition and all the
> others were logicals within it I don't think it would look like this.
>
> None of this (including XP not being in the grub menu) should ever happen
> from just an ubuntu install.  My guess again is that perhaps the
> partitioning was messed up before starting the install.  I'm not even sure
> how you could make this happen using manual partitioning unless it were done
> from the command line.
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Error # 13 When booting to XP in Grub

[James Mcphee]

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/60947-convincing-grub-dual-boot-winxp-extended-partition-2.html

Sorry, here's the link :)

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:03 PM, James Mcphee  wrote:

> Not an answer, but here's a forum thread of someone having the same issue
> and some discussion around it.
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 19:12 -0500, Mike Hoy wrote:
>> > this is just a visual representation of the same hard drive we
>> > were
>> > talking about the other day and wondering why you couldn't get
>> > it to
>> > boot Windows via grub.
>> >
>> > Yes, it seems like an illogical setup and it there may be no
>> > good day to
>> > fix it other than backing stuff up and starting over.
>> >
>> > Craig
>> > I suppose I could reinstall xp. That would overwrite the MBR. Then I
>> > would have to reinstall the grub boot loader. I've read somewhere that
>> > I can do that from the Ubuntu live cd. Well, thanks guys. Guess I'll
>> > give up and reinstall at some later date when it's imperative that I
>> > get windoze up and running again.
>> 
>> you don't need to reinstall windows to over-write the MBR, you can do
>> that from the 'repair console' on Windows XP. The MBR isn't your problem
>> though. You can rewrite and use WIndows Boot Loader if you want instead
>> of grub. It may very well be that if you run the 'repair console' and
>> execute 'FIXBOOT' that may fix the Windows startup problem.
>>
>> I think your issues aren't with grub either.
>>
>> I would suspect that somewhere with gparted or with the Ubuntu installer
>> which probably uses parted on the back end, somewhere the notion of
>> moving your WIndows into a larger 'extended' partition was the right
>> thing to do but apparently, it did not do a good job of it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Error # 13 When booting to XP in Grub

[James Mcphee]

Not an answer, but here's a forum thread of someone having the same issue
and some discussion around it.

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Craig White  wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 19:12 -0500, Mike Hoy wrote:
> > this is just a visual representation of the same hard drive we
> > were
> > talking about the other day and wondering why you couldn't get
> > it to
> > boot Windows via grub.
> >
> > Yes, it seems like an illogical setup and it there may be no
> > good day to
> > fix it other than backing stuff up and starting over.
> >
> > Craig
> > I suppose I could reinstall xp. That would overwrite the MBR. Then I
> > would have to reinstall the grub boot loader. I've read somewhere that
> > I can do that from the Ubuntu live cd. Well, thanks guys. Guess I'll
> > give up and reinstall at some later date when it's imperative that I
> > get windoze up and running again.
> 
> you don't need to reinstall windows to over-write the MBR, you can do
> that from the 'repair console' on Windows XP. The MBR isn't your problem
> though. You can rewrite and use WIndows Boot Loader if you want instead
> of grub. It may very well be that if you run the 'repair console' and
> execute 'FIXBOOT' that may fix the Windows startup problem.
>
> I think your issues aren't with grub either.
>
> I would suspect that somewhere with gparted or with the Ubuntu installer
> which probably uses parted on the back end, somewhere the notion of
> moving your WIndows into a larger 'extended' partition was the right
> thing to do but apparently, it did not do a good job of it.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
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Re: OT: Safari Books

[James Mcphee]

You can add the books to your "list".  I've never used a bookmark option,
but I tend to pick through chapters.  It's amazing how your reading habits
change when you have access to that many books.

Anyway, I still buy paperback books because I adore them, but Safari is SO
worth it simply for reference factor.

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Mike Hoy  wrote:

> Have any of you ever signed up for Safari Books Online? They have a few
> titles I'd like to read and the price isn't bad for the Safari Bookshelf
> ($22.99). Just looking for any feedback negative or positive before I sign
> up. For example one book: Programming Python is way more in paper copy than
> the monthly fee on Safari. So that's a win win right there. But I was also
> wondering about things like bookmarks, so you can pick up where you left off
> from the day before.
>
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Re: Wildcard SSL difficulties.

[James Mcphee]

Can you paste the error from the errorlog?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:37 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I'm working on a CentOS box that has a main site and several test sites
> setup as sub-domains.
>
> The main site has an SSL and is setup on an IP by itself.  The sub-domains
> are setup as virtual hosts.
>
> All is working well.
>
> The server is a managed server and we recently upgraded to a wild card SSL
> so we can test the shopping cart on the test sites using an SSl to catch any
> problems before we move the code to the live server.
>
> Up to this point I have been able to add new virtual hosts at will.
>  Basically all I have to do is copy one of the virtual server definitions
> and change a few things like doc root and I'm off and running.  Of course a
> DNS addition needs to occurs also.
>
> I assume to take advantage of the SSL each virtual server will need to be
> on the same IP as the main site.
>
> The only virtual servers we have are sub-domains to the main site.
>
> Here is my problem. When I put the IP of the main site in the viral server
> like this
>
> 
>ServerAdmin n...@server.tld
>DocumentRoot /home/docroot/public_html
>ServerName docroot.domain.tld
>ErrorLog /home/docroot/logs/error_log-docroot
>CustomLog /home/docroot/logs/combined_log-docroot combined
>Include "conf.d/notrace.conf"
> 
>
> The main site will not load in my browser.  I do not recall the exact
> message - something like "you do not have directory access permission" or
> something like that.
>
> Any advise is much appreciated.
>
> Keith
>
> 
>
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Re: Just complete apt-get /update/upgrade and my system is bonked!

[James Mcphee]

Toast your gnome and gconf directories and let them rebuild?

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Mark Phillips
wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Thanks. I actually rebooted the machine after apt-get upgrade and that is
> when the problem occurred. I then shutdown the machine and started it up
> again and the problem persisted.
>
> I looked in /var/log for a gnome log, but I don't see anything. Dmesg
> doesn't show any errors that I can see. Where does gnome write error
> messages?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Craig White wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 17:48 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote:
>> > I am running Debian testing on my laptop. Just completed a routine
>> > apt-get update apt-get upgrade, and now all my desktop icons are gone
>> > and every time I access the menus (Applications, Places, System) the
>> > upper and lower menu bars disappear and then come back. I am writing
>> > this email in a browser window, so once an application is launched it
>> > seems to work OK.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have no idea where to start debugging this problem. Any suggestions
>> > are welcome!
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > P.S. I am running gnome, not KDE. Also, I cannot right click on the
>> > desktop - nothing happens.
>> 
>> if one of the core libraries for gnome has changed, you might need to
>> log out and log back in again.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
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Re: Server/Form/Language Exploits

[James Mcphee]

Harden your server intelligently and keep it up to date with patches.

Also, keep yourself informed.  I'm sure people can suggest various resources
that have all the latest exploit info, etc.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:07 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
> I was just talking with the guy who manages our servers and he was telling
> me about some exploits and some of the things he sees.
>
> He was telling me about one gang that might exploit a server and other gang
> finds it and takes it over, fixes the exploit and them creates a back door.
>
> How does one keep up on exploits and current security issues?
>
> Thanks!
>
> 
> Keith Smith
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Re: Defrag

[James Mcphee]

AIX's jfs still requires defragging.  And it has a registry,  I mean
ODM.  But it's technically a unix!  The best of both worlds!

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Eric - A  wrote:

> I had a look at the "Disk Usage Analyzer" and the hard disk looks fine. I
> am just used to DOS and defragging every month. Old habits are hard to
> break.
>
>
> .
> Eric - A
> .
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Eric Shubert 
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Subject: Re: Defrag
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:11:42 -0700
>
> Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> > Many of you know my feelings on file fragmentation in linux. However
> > Keven is correct that EXT4 is the only approved way to gain defrag
> > functionality short of cleaning the drive and moving your files back
> > in starting with the largest and most frequently accessed files.
>
> I presume by "defrag functionality" Bryan's talking generally about
> filesystem optimization. Defrag is but one aspect of filesystem
> optimization.
>
> Indeed, defrag of ext3 doesn't seem to be as much of a concern as with
> FAT or NTFS. One way to defrag ext3 is to boot from a live CD, tar
> everything off to an external device, reformat the filesystem (or remove
> everything, but I thing reformatting might be faster), and tar
> everything back.
>
> As Bryan hinted, if you could arrange the files in the tarball by
> frequency of use, that would provide an additional level of optimization.
>
> There are a few other things you can do to improve ext3 performance. The
> noatime mount option will reduce the writes required to the device.
> There are also a few settings you can tweak with the tune2fs utility
> that can improve performance, such as dir_index, which is useful if you
> have any directories with a large number of files.
>
> Of course, have a look at ext4 for the latest developments in this area.
> I haven't looked at ext4 in detail yet.
> --
> -Eric 'shubes'
>
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Kevin Faulkner
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> >>> Hi All,  I was wondering if I could defrag my hard drive under ubuntu
> 10.04
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> >> ext4 does have online defragmentation, however I don't think it is
> available
> >> for Ubuntu.
> >>
> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Online_defragmentation
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Re: Plug website down

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I still cut up partitions on my big boxes into /var /usr /tmp /home and /.
 Dynamic partitions alerting at about 75% full, static ones at about 90%,
depending on activity and history.  I've found it's just safer.  On my home
boxes, and the smaller systems, I tend to do / and /home.  All of this is
using some kind of volume management, or an easy enough way to grow if
needed, of course.

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Ed  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
>> > On 10/30/2010 07:18 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't think anything but the best,
>> >> most state of art Drupal installation should be in place for a Linux
>> >> group, but that's just me.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I agree with this, as I expect most PLUG members would.
>> > Is this an impractical goal?
>> > Is there some reason it cannot be done? What would it take?
>> > Lisa seems to indicate that perhaps Hans needs to delegate some of his
>> > responsibilities, or am I reading her comments wrong?
>> >
>> > --
>> > -Eric 'shubes'
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> The site is undergoing a migration to a new CMS, if memory serves,
>> Drupal is not going to run the next www.plug.phoenix.az.us.
>> Most of the problems regarding the current site are due to
>> administrative cruft that has built up over the years - that and
>> upgrading Drupal has never been an easy or simple matter.
>>
>> Well, Drupal's upgrades are getting better, depending on your
> capabilities.
>
> ALL CMS have security issues; Drupal less than others...
>
> Content is generally not expected to be carried on for 10 years and 3
> revisions of Drupal, now was it?
>
> The content could be migrated manually with a few mysql queries and manual
> table populations, but it's not going to be displayed the same without the
> Event Repeat Module (which is currently still under code development for
> Drupal 6 and 7 [and not stable under 5 - which the plug-site runs on]).
>
> I have a LOT of drupal, Joomla, Wordpress, vTiger, and few trillion others,
> with Ubercart, etc.  It's a trade-off really, just like the inane arguments
> over which distro is better
>
> Drupal and any CMS is only as good as the developer, and those without
> experience with a tool, tend to search for another and bash it, usually
> going away in the volunteering process.  Laugh!
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Re: EMACS (remote GUI apps)

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Re: Anyone use Google voice?

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I use google voice in a different capacity.  The number tied to GV is the
one I give out.  I can then tell GV where to send that call to, so it acts
as a router.  I also keep most of my friends and colleagues in my address
book, where I put them in a group of GV and customize the response.  So when
I'm willing to accept calls from family, but not friends, I just set it up
like that and give some custom voicemails to the groups in question.

I have the GV android app, but use it mainly to manage my voicemails more
effectively than verizon's normal voicemail system.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Mark Phillips
wrote:

> Wifi calling on my android phone with T-mobile is not very reliable. Some
> wifi points connect, some don't, those that connect drop calls, etc. I think
> google voice is VoIP, so it sounds as if it would be a replacement for the
> wifi calling app on my phone. But some boards say that T-mobile customers
> get charged minutes even when using GV.
>
> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone on the list uses GV + Android + T-mobile
> and what their experience has been.
>
> Also, in reading about GV, it says I have to get a new phone number. How
> does that number relate to my mobile number, or is it something in the
> background that the world does not see? The google docs are not very helpful
> in explaining just what GV provides.
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Re: LinkedIn Connect Request

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Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
On Feb 2, 2011 6:33 PM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
> I accidently sent a LinkedIn request to ALL of PLUG via the list!
>
> K!
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Re: OT computer store

[James Mcphee]

Was that RedSeven?

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:02 PM, mike enriquez  wrote:

> I remember someone posting information about a Computer store in Mesa. I
> remember that they gave a discount to PLUG members on their initial
> purchase.
> Does anyone on the list remember the stores name.
>
> Thanks
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Re: Bash question - redirect stderr to a variable

[James Mcphee]

If you just want to assign stderr to a file and don't care about stdout,
then the following works.

 $ var="$(cat bah 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3)"
 $ echo $var
cat: bah: No such file or directory


On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 14. Mar, 2011 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so:
>
> moin moin,
>
>
>  Ok - if I want to direct stranded out, standard error, or both to a
>>
>
> Gotta love stranded out :).
>
>
>  file I can do that. If I want to redirect standard out to a variable
>> for latter use, I can do that. But how do I redirect standard error to
>> a variable?
>>
>
> If all else fails, you can redirect STDERR to STDOUT, '2>&1'.
>
> If you control whatever's giving the errors you can have it set variables
> that are used later.
>
> As to capturing both to variables without using a temporary file, see the
> bottom of the following page.
>
> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/002
>
> If you can do everything you need for one of them in a subshell, then it
> is possible.
>
> ( exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
> echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,'; ); echo "<$fred>"
>
> ( exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
> echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,' >&2; ); echo
> "<$fred>" )
> {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
> gefunden}
> 
>
> The sed is just to show that I'm mangling the STDERR output once it's been
> tossed into a variable.
>
> Since $output is in a subshell you can't get to it from the normal shell,
> but you could call a fx() to handle the data.
>
> ( mungestderr() { echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,'; };
> exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
> mungestderr "$output" ); echo "<$fred>" )
>  {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
> gefunden}>
>
> ( mungestderr() { echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,' >&2;
> }; exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } >3>&1;
> mungestderr "$output" ); echo "<$fred>" )
> {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
> gefunden}
> 
>
> To keep it clear you might just want to toss it into a file or named pipe.
>
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Re: Bash question - redirect stderr to a variable

[James Mcphee]

Sorry, assign stderr to a variable.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 1:08 AM, James Mcphee  wrote:

> If you just want to assign stderr to a file and don't care about stdout,
> then the following works.
>
>  $ var="$(cat bah 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3)"
>  $ echo $var
> cat: bah: No such file or directory
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:54 AM, der.hans  wrote:
>
>> Am 14. Mar, 2011 schwätzte Bryan O'Neal so:
>>
>> moin moin,
>>
>>
>>  Ok - if I want to direct stranded out, standard error, or both to a
>>>
>>
>> Gotta love stranded out :).
>>
>>
>>  file I can do that. If I want to redirect standard out to a variable
>>> for latter use, I can do that. But how do I redirect standard error to
>>> a variable?
>>>
>>
>> If all else fails, you can redirect STDERR to STDOUT, '2>&1'.
>>
>> If you control whatever's giving the errors you can have it set variables
>> that are used later.
>>
>> As to capturing both to variables without using a temporary file, see the
>> bottom of the following page.
>>
>> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/002
>>
>> If you can do everything you need for one of them in a subshell, then it
>> is possible.
>>
>> ( exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
>> echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,'; ); echo "<$fred>"
>>
>> ( exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
>> echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,' >&2; ); echo
>> "<$fred>" )
>> {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
>> gefunden}
>> 
>>
>> The sed is just to show that I'm mangling the STDERR output once it's been
>> tossed into a variable.
>>
>> Since $output is in a subshell you can't get to it from the normal shell,
>> but you could call a fx() to handle the data.
>>
>> ( mungestderr() { echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,'; };
>> exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); } 3>&1;
>> mungestderr "$output" ); echo "<$fred>" )
>> > {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
>> gefunden}>
>>
>> ( mungestderr() { echo "{$output}" | sed -re 's,/ztmp (.+),/zztop \1,'
>> >&2; }; exec 3>&1; fred=$( { output=$( ls -d /tmp /ztmp 2>&1 1>&3- ); }
>> >3>&1; mungestderr "$output" ); echo "<$fred>" )
>> {ls: Zugriff auf /zztop nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht
>> gefunden}
>> 
>>
>> To keep it clear you might just want to toss it into a file or named pipe.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
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Re: sshd - Setting your ports at 2222 or another port above 1024

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The video I got instead of sshd brute forcing was for data in an imagefile.
When I searched the site, I could only find a couple vids for various
password brute forcers.  Was this something besides that?
On Mar 19, 2011 7:16 AM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
> Brute forcing sshd, gaining a non-privileged user shell on any sshd
> configured above 1024:
> http://www.securitytube.net/video/1641
>
> Once we have a nice user shell, we can gain root:
> Here's the most recent linux kernel exploit:
> http://securitytube.net/video/1642
>
> Disclaimer: All exploit education is intended for lab demonstration for
the
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Re: OT: Exploitation?

[James Mcphee]

That was uncalled for.  Please keep personal flames off the list.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:39 AM, James Finstrom <
jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:

> If you feel some bizarre need to attack me about a response I give please
> do so on the list so people can see how big of a mpron you really are. Lisa
> I am sorry your lack of pure awesomeness prevented yoi from making whatever
> you delisionally thought you deserved. You will be happy to know they hired
> someone  to fill the huge void you think you left and if you think I make
> $10/hr doing the job you couldnt well then that simply says your not worth
> $10/hr which is oddly satisfying.
> On Apr 25, 2011 7:31 AM, "Kevin Fries"  wrote:
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Re: NY Case Underscores Wi-Fi Privacy Dangers

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If someone steals my car and runs someone over, am I liable?  I'm not buying
this behavior as acceptable.  Our networks are not truly secure, and should
never be considered anything more than circumstantial evidence.  Demanding
turnover of computers, I find acceptable.  The home invasion I do not.  Of
course, if the networks are that open, I'm guessing any half-competent
security person could get on said computers remotely and get real evidence.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 9:18 PM, keith smith wrote:
>
>> Thought this might be interesting to some.
>>
>> Lying on his family room floor with assault weapons trained on him, shouts
>> of "pedophile!" and "pornographer!" stinging like his fresh cuts and
>> bruises, the Buffalo homeowner didn't need long to figure out the reason for
>> the early morning wake-up call from a swarm of federal agents.
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13448808
>>
>
> OMG, yea howdy!
>
> We are responsible for our networks!
>
> Course, most of us can get into WEP and WPA/WPA2 trivially, so unless you
> have a Radius Server (which most WiFi routers will happily work with)
> running Enterprise WPA2, you are still "at risk" of network encroachment.
>
> While WEP/WPA/WPA2 constitutes "reasonable protection", it does not protect
> you.  Anyone on a shared network owns you completely, with the ability to
> use SSLStrip to even get your https logins and passwords.
>
> BUT IS THIS CRIMINAL?
>
> If so, most of the "adminstrator-less" Internet Startups running insecure
> Websites are criminal?
>
> Technical Security HowTo Proof of Concept References:
>
>
> http://www.eastmobiles.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=27:wi-fi&id=106:wpa2-key-hack-nvidia
>
> http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/07/spoofing_hack_against_wpa2_rev.php
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9x2e32voZY
> http://www.securitytube.net/video/193
>
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>> 
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Re: Ubuntu 11.04 upgrade

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I found Unity so disappointing that I stopped using it on my desktop.  You
can have a standard Gnome desktop by selecting "Ubuntu Classic" as your
session.

On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Steve Phariss  wrote:

> Well, I did something I swore I would never do (major OS upgrades after 7
> PM)  I went from Ubuntu 10.10 to  Ubuntu 11.04 last night.  had to leave the
> upgrade running all night as it took over 12 hours (about 2 hours for
> downloading, 10+ for actual install and clean up.)
>
> Finally finished this morning but I have not had time to really sit down
> with it.  At least I did not have any issues with Grub 2 this time around
> (probably because I had it keep the original config).  One annoying thing I
> found, I was unable to find any Administration tab on Unity...  It is
> probably there, but that desktop is definitely going to take some getting
> used to.
>
> One thing I DID notice is that boot time (bios to usable desktop) seemed to
> be much faster then 10.xx  Also, LibreOffice has replaced OpenOffice (no
> surprise, but glad to see it)
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Re: visualization question

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Probably set up IP as NAT, or internal.  Does vbox do bridged IPs?

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 8:39 PM, keith smith  wrote:

>
> Setup vbox on XP loaded CentOS 5.6 set IP different than host.  Can ping IP
> of vertual server from command line of self.  Cannot ping from outside.
>
> Any help appreciated!
>
> 
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On *Sat, 5/7/11, Stephen * wrote:
>
>
> From: Stephen 
> Subject: Re: visualization question
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 4:06 PM
>
> you can use either virtualbox or vmware and it will work, just set up the
> networking so that it has an IP on your physical network for simple access.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:00 PM, keith smith 
> http://mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm running XP on a dell box and was wondering if I can install
> visualization on top of that, install CentOS, and have both running at the
> same time with the XP being a client and the CentOS being a LAMP server.
> I'd like to access the docroot crom the XP box.
>
> Is this possible?
>
> 
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Re: ON Topic Request For Opinions

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http://wallpapoz.sourceforge.net/

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:32 PM, ChasM Marshall  wrote:

>  @ Brian:
>
> > If you want to put different stuff, including backgrounds on each
> > virtual desktop, just go to System Setting -> Workspace Behavior and
> > pick the Virtual Desktops section from the left.  Then just check off
> > "Different widgets for each desktop"
>
>  I got this far, but this is where 3.x used to set seperate wallpapers.
> Now it has seperate (default) names.  Desktop 1, Desktop 2...
>
>
> > Then all you have to do is setup a widget such as Desktop (The default),
> > or folder view on each desktop and set the appropriate background for
> > each desktop.
>
>  Desktop widgets, per Desktop, sounds good, I'll try it later.
> But this is not the installed default.  Whereas, Mouse Gestures are.  (Very
> rude.)
>
>
> >   It's actually a LOT more versatile that the old way of
> > doing things, although admittedly a lot less obvious.
>
> Obviously not obvious.
> So, you have no opinion on KDE's default settings?
>
> I still think Gnome is not able to do this.
> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_GNOME/Desktop_Background
>
>   (-:  Chas.M.  :-)
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Re: autofs

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i've used autofs for all sorts of things.  there are definitely timing
issues with certain things where a direct nfs mount works better for.  have
you considered making a local copy so the data is already mounted, and then
autofs just needs to export it?
On May 12, 2011 12:57 AM, "Dazed_75"  wrote:
> Is anyone familiar with using autofs for anything other than remote home
> directories. I am trying to get a PXE server to automount a .ISO file to a
> loop device as a result of a PXE client making a request (which is, of
> course, specified in the menu served to the client by the PXE server). I
> seem to get part of it working but not all. I'd like to find someone to
sit
> down with on this ... or find some written tutorial more pertinent or
better
> than the ones I have found.
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Re: Copy to smb share

[James Mcphee]

Unless you've already connected to the smb share, you won't be able to
access it.  You could try smbclient, and do a put.  I'm sure there are other
ways, but that's the quickest to script.  Soo wrong from a security
perspective, but eh.

smbclient //target/share password -W domain -u user < cd path
> put file
> ENDEND

Something like that.

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Tom Ostlund  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hello All.
>
> I am trying to figure out how to copy a file to a smb share from the
> command line.
>
> The share is
>
> smb://my-airport-extreme.local/drobo/folder/
>
> my way is failing
>
> cp test.txt smb://my-airport-extreme.local/drobo/folder/test.txt
>
> What is the right way to do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> Mesa AZ
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Re: Microsoft welcomes CentOS Linux onto virtualized Windows • Channel Register

[James Mcphee]

Now, what would be cool is if CentOS did something that prevented their use
on that horrible VM proggy of MS's.  I certainly wouldn't enjoy being used
like that.  Not by MS, and certainly not by that SCO guy.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

> FWIW.
>
> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/05/16/microsoft_centos/
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Re: cause of IO wait

[James Mcphee]

If it's consistently consuming a lot of CPU, doing a "ps auxwww" and
checking for blocked state should do it.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Mike Ballon  wrote:

> you've mentioned iostat and vmstat so lets skip those.
>
> I would start sar and saving running process at the same interval, normal
> 5mins.
>
> I would also take a look at lsof, tracing the pids
>
> Then there is iotop if you have it.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2011, der.hans  wrote:
> > moin moin,
> >
> > I've got a machine experiencing a lot of IO wait.
> >
> > We had power at a datacenter go down last week. Since then IO wait has
> > been over 35%. At first we thought it was due to 3ware RAID verify taking
> > place due to the crash. That took a few days, then the weekly verify
> > started. We stopped that and IO wait stayed high. 8 disks in a RAID 10.
> >
> > Load avg is also very high, presumably due to the IO wait.
> >
> > smartctl short tests didn't turn up any issues.
> >
> > We're not swapping at all.
> >
> > Disk read and write are fairly low.
> >
> > Network traffic is down as is the total number of process and the number
> > of running processes. No evidence of network errors on the box or at the
> > switch.
> >
> > Not much going on in the logs. We've stopped several reporting processes
> > in order to reduce disk access.
> >
> > On the positive side, entropy has been staying high :).
> >
> > IO wait is not explicitly disk? It could be network, serial, USB, etc.?
> >
> > How do I determine what resource is causing the IO wait? Is there a way
> to
> > track to a specific process?
> >
> > vmstat, iostat, top and lots of other tools have been great at showing
> > that there's overall IO wait ( I've been able to show that almost all
> > processors have high wait, one was only at 5% ), but I haven't yet
> > determined what and how.
> >
> > The server is running CentOS in case that matters.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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Re: Linux & key Loggers

[James Mcphee]

Totally possible to do.  But the attack base is relatively small and far
better maintained.  Standard disclaimers apply, patch often, don't install
anything from an untrusted source, etc etc.

The hackfest folk could give you the nitty gritty, I'm sure.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:09 PM, mike enriquez  wrote:

> Does anyone on the List know if Key Loggers are a problem in Linux?
> I don't know a thing about them.  My windows computers get the things all
> the time.
> Do I need to worry about them in Linux.
> Thanks for any comments.
>
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Re: Laptop Power Management

[James Mcphee]

I usually turn down my cpu's frequency to reduce heat.  also increases
battery life.  cpufrequtils makes it easy.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Stephen  wrote:

> yeah someone made a tool that did allot of under the hood stuff like
> this and allowed you some nice control over it.
>
> im not used to linux laptops. but firt run battery life went from
> about 2.5 hrs to nearly 6.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Joseph Sinclair
>  wrote:
> > Not sure about alternate tools; but you should read this post on Phoronix
> about kernel regressions that cause high power consumption:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=1
> >
> > On 06/30/2011 08:59 PM, Stephen wrote:
> >> Yay i finally got a spare drive to do an install of Linux on this thing.
> >>
> >> at ableconf last a gentleman was talking about power management that
> >> he was using in his school district on some netbooks. I cant fro the
> >> life of me remember what it was nor can i find my notes that were
> >> taken on the matter.
> >>
> >> Does anyone remember what he was using? or the school district he was
> from?
> >>
> >> Or even some good ideas? right now im starting with a fresh Ubuntu
> >> 11.04... and i just remember that it made power times on battery
> >> phenomenally better on this power hungry beast.
> >>
> >> Anyhow thanks in advance!
> >>
> >
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Re: WAP Recommendations

[James Mcphee]

I highly recommend a double antenna setup if you're having problems going
through walls, floor, etc.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Nathan England wrote:

> Hello Hello,
>
> I currently am using a Netgear WG602 wireless ap with a 4' omni antenna
> mounted outside. The wap seems to be failing as it needs a power cycle at
> least once a day, sometimes twice. I am interested in a new device that is
> dd-wrt compatible, detachable antenna, and a built-in amplifier would be
> nice as well, but not a must. Because of the antenna the detachable part is
> a must. Recommendations? I also have a Linksys e2000 running dd-wrt with the
> antennas disabled which handles my routing, so I don't need a router, only
> an AP, though routers with detachable antennae are okay as well.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
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Re: RFC - Linux Command Cheatsheet

[James Mcphee]

The most requested and referred to cheat sheet at my old office was the VI
cheat sheet.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Dennis Kibbe  wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 12:04 -0700, Dazed_75 wrote:
> > Good job Dennis.  Of course everyone, including me, may have
> > suggestions.
> >
> >   * pg 1, top of column 2:  please verify that user#host:~/dir is
> > sufficient to sync
> >   * Caution that runlevels are not standard across distributions
> > and can be modified
> >   * Instead of Ubuntu and CentOS pkg mgmt, maybe deb and rpm based
> > pkg mgmt
> >   * drop more if it helps, after all less is more
> >   * alias, chmod, chown, passwd
> > A more general note is that I find most cheat sheets spend way too
> > much space on the things the user doesn't need reminders on after the
> > first day or two.  Before I looked at yours, I was going to suggest a
> > short section that just listed the most common commands without
> > explanation since they are not likely to be forgotten.  A corollary
> > could be a section only listing further commands to explore.  After
> > looking at your sheet, neither seems practical.
> >
> > Larry
>
> Great suggestions Larry! I'm just going to have to find room! :-) Many
> of my students have never even *seen* Linux before so they need all the
> help I can give them.
>
> :-)
>
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XSS exploit thingy

[James Mcphee]

Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I've shrugged off quite a few known XSS
exploits because they were too much of a pain to fix in the shrinkwrap apps
I was working with.  But, this article brings home just how dangerous they
are.

http://www.thehackernews.com/2011/07/xss-harvest-harvesting-cross-site.html

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Re: ubuntu host web access is slower than windows guest vm

[James Mcphee]

Try disabling ipv6 in the browser.  about:config, search for ipv6, and set
disable to true.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Josh Coffman  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   I used to lurk/participate a long time ago. I'm having an ubuntu related
> problem which I haven't been able to figure out or find and answer for. I
> have an ubuntu 11.04 64bit machine which I use to host a windows 7 64bit vm.
> This LAN here is primarily a windows environment. The problem is that web
> access is excessively slow from the ubuntu host but nice & fast on the
> windows vm. Actually, I also cannot access any local network machines by DNS
> name which tells me there is a DNS problem. Again, this is only on the
> Ubuntu side; the windows vm works fine. I tried using the google nameservers
> for ubuntu but that doesn't make a difference that I can tell. I also don't
> see the problem by comparing the network config for the windows vm and
> ubuntu. Oh, and I did make sure ipv6 is disabled because we aren't using it
> here.
>
>   I would really appreciate any help with this. Let me know what
> information I should post if anyone cares to help figure this out.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
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Re: timer ?

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I've used Rachota with some luck.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> Toggle.com is nice.  Web based but nice.
> On Aug 7, 2011 12:10 PM, "betty"  wrote:
> > Anyone out there know of a timer that I can use with Ubuntu 10.04. I am
> > doing online work for people and right now am writing down the start and
> > stop times then converting them into hrs and min for my billing. I know
> > my palm has one, but then i'd have to be messing with that too. (no i am
> > not a lawyer).
> > thanks !!
> >
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> > www.webcanine.com
> > information for people
> > who care for dogs.
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Re: Firefox woes - Follow up

[James Mcphee]

I've run into quite a few problems with stock ubuntu flash.  I ended up
going with the flash ppa, which cleared up most of the problems.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:

> Now that I re-read your original post, this sounds like the trouble I have
> long had with embedded videos with the vimeo label on them,  I gave up on
> them a long time ago.  Next time I see one, I'll look for that "Pop Up
> Player" button you mentioned though it may be from an add-on you are using
> that I do not.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 7:28 AM, mz  wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 25 August 2011 08:28:11 you wrote:
>> > I'm having trouble viewing embedded flash videos in Firefox 6.0 and
>> could
>> > use some advice.
>> >
>> > I've got a dozen extensions for FF, including NoScript 2.1.2.7rc2,
>> > Flashblock 1.5.15.1, Adblock Plus 1.3.9, Ghostery 2.5.3, and others. I'm
>> > also using Shockwave Flash 10.3 as the plugin to view flash videos.
>> >
>> > After allowing the appropriate java scripts and clicking the Flashblock
>> > play, everything seemed to come up fine to play the video. When the play
>> > button for the video is clicked, it changes to the pause button, but the
>> > video does not download. Reloading the page without the browser cache
>> > makes no difference. However if the "Pop Up Player" button is clicked, a
>> > second FF window is opened, and everything works fine.
>> >
>> > I don't think it should matter, but I'm using openSUSE 11.3 w/ KDE 4.4.4
>> >
>> > Any suggestions about what might be preventing the video from playing in
>> > the original page or what to look at?
>> >
>> > TIA,
>> > Mark Z.
>>
>> Something else is going on rather than problems with Firefox v6 in
>> attempting to play the embedded video. Unfortunately, I don't know what
>> it is. The reason I don't think it's FF is that I downgraded to FF
>> v3.6.20, tried Chrome, and then Opera, and the problem remained. It must
>> be something I've done or haven't done that's preventing the video from
>> playing.
>>
>> At least this prodded me to try a couple different browsers. Neither
>> Chrome nor Opera impressed me. Both are missing at least one of the
>> add-ons I rely on and are missing options or have clumsy methods for
>> implementing options I'm used to, so I went back to FF v6.
>>
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Re: Windows 8 Spells Trouble for Linux, Hackintosh Users and Malware Victims

[James Mcphee]

Used to deal with junk like this on the thinkpads, where you couldn't add
anything but approved hardware.  It was simple enough to simply overwrite
their whitelist.  Is there anything to prevent us from simply flashing the
BIOS?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Same deal as "secure" bootloaders on android phones that have been all the
> rage with vendors the past few years - it'll only boot a signed *approved*
> kernel.  I don't see how oem's will cope with this, unless they "pre-load" a
> cert from any/all vendors, lock the cert store with their own means, and
> everyone else is then screwed.  RH more or less enforces *their* kernels
> now, so they'll be happy, but I doubt any other linux vendor like Canonical
> will be.  Obviously the consumers, especially those that like to roll their
> own kernels, will not.
>
> This was done in cell space largely at the request of the cellco's to
> *control* their hardware against esn manipulation and to sell them as
> platforms for the media cartels to hock music on (drm).  Since drm has all
> but become a 4-letter word of late, they've started shipping with unlocked
> bootloaders, or have implemented ways to unlock them remotely at the cost of
> voiding warranties (win/win for them).  It will be interesting to see how
> the oem's like dell, hp, and cisco that sell a lot of servers where windoze
> server is often NOT a default option anymore...
>
> -mb
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> On 09/28/2011 10:03 AM, Tom Ostlund wrote:
>
>> This has the smell of proprietary hardware all over it again
>>
>> I would agree that they would turn it off or flash the thing either way
>> many tech support jobs just got job security :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2011 09:58 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:
>>
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Re: chrome or opera

[James Mcphee]

I prefer chrome because it seems to work more often than opera or the newer
firefoxes.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> I prefer chrome fro a combination of how it handles what it does, and
> how graceful it is in resource utilization page/process recovery, and
> overall compatibility. I liked opera but found it had rendering issues
> with sites i use regularly.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Nadim Hoque  wrote:
> > I prefer chrome because each tab is its own process so if one crashes
> > than it is just that tab that crashes so the whole browser is not taken
> > down.
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> > Subject: chrome or opera
> > I know this will open the proverbial can of worms...but i want to change
> > from firefox. Which is better; Chrome or Opera and more importantly, why?
> > thanks
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Re: Puppet, Chef or CFEngine?

[James Mcphee]

I am also looking at implementing one of these at some point in the near
future.  The standard scripts over ssh is simple and relatively well
controlled, but teaching new people how to use them and maintaining them in
a sane fashion is troublesome.  I've used a few HP, Dell, Sun, and IBM
config products in the past and they were all bad enough I went back to
scripts in no time.
On Nov 5, 2011 11:33 AM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:

> Can anyone chime in on using enterprise mass systems configuration and
> management tools?
>
> What are you using? Chef, Puppet or CFEngine and why?
>
> I have configured Chef, and setup and demonstrated puppet for specific
> unique tasks (hackfest configuration and password files), both ruby based.
>
> I see the systems administration role for these tools as one of
> automation, for tasks like configuration revision control, single source
> update to hosts, resolv.conf, and ntp.conf type files, and user
> passwd/group management.
>
> For chef, my experience found that setting up the recipes and configuring
> the clients took more time and involved a layer of complexity that was
> contrary to regular everyday use.  However chef can easily be added to any
> RHEL kickstart file for configuration out of the box.
>
> Puppet was excellent, but again, failed in mass user management when it
> came to adding users.  Also Puppet SSL was not easy to configure.  It did
> have a great security feature, in that any changes to configuration files
> managed (passwd/group/shadow/pam) were happily and swiftly restored to
> base, so that if a server was encroached, it was not pwn'd for long!
>
> For changing passwords or adding users, when we are comparing adding ruby
> or adding expect and using a quick shell script to change passwords or add
> users with a standard UID/GID across 90 systems, the simple scripted/expect
> process wins over puppet, and Chef.
>
> While I have not configured or used CFengine, I don't find a standard CPAN
> like cfengine .cf file repository with easy to implement recipes to change
> mass passwords, set chkconfig and iptables, ntp etc.  The configuration cf
> files use simple syntax so I am certain it will be trivial to setup
> anything I need, but when looking forward to long term support and
> expansion, I want linux interns and noobs to be able to use any tool.  Am I
> missing a CFengine cf site somewhere?
>
> I have heard that it does a great push job of maintaining configuration
> files via a SSL connnection.  Has anyone used CFEngine or actively compared
> these tools in a large production server farm and what was your impression?
>
> I imagine in the end analysis, more than one tool, say a scripted add
> user/change password process, with a mass configuration file management
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Re: virsh and guest IP

[James Mcphee]

There are managed switches that are designed to prevent the migration
pains, but they tend to be spendy.  I tend to build from clone without
networking and configure it after I can get to the guest os.  Or use
kickstart, but then you don't exactly have a clone.
On Nov 5, 2011 9:42 AM, "Benjamin Browning"  wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:34 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> > The clone notices that it's no longer on the same (virtual) hardware, so
> > udev rules move to a new networking device, but the networking rules
> don't
> > get updated. In other words, no networking, so no talking to the dhcp
> > server.
>
> If you do this, be mindful that spinning up a clone VM without
> disabling the networking until you reconfigure it can and will cause
> arp poisoning...
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Re: Brookings: CyberSecurity In the Balance - 2 New Bills SOPA/PIP

[James Mcphee]

We are required to implement a blacklist for wire transfers of money very
much like the one proposed.  It is constantly having the wrong transfers
blocked.  Beauracracies are not good at the details and we're all details.
On Nov 16, 2011 2:37 PM, "Derek Trotter"  wrote:

>  From what I've seen in the article it sounds like some government
> bureaucracy would issue a blacklist and network operators would be required
> to update their copies of it as often as the blacklist is updated.
>
> I'm also concerned about the freedom of speech issue.  It sounds to me
> like it would be easy for some faceless bureaucrat to "accidentally" ad
> foxnews.com, drudgereport.com or some other site whose owners disagree
> with the current administration's politics.
>
> On 11/16/2011 6:52, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> We miss you.
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Sam Kreimeyer  wrote:
>
>> It's good to see an argument against these laws from a purely
>> technical perspective beyond reemphasizing how easy these protections
>> are to circumvent. The implementation of these blacklists could
>> inadvertently provide a vector to alter DNS behavior, especially if
>> they are required to obtain and update these blacklists from a trusted
>> source automatically. Considering the recent embarrassment surrounding
>> DigiNotar, implicit trust does have disadvantages.
>>
>
> Yes, trust is a serious issue.
>
> While the technical implications are huge, the impact to our
> constitutional rights is even greater, and it's strange this is not being
> more broadly contented.
> Never in the history of the United States has legislation that potentially
> removes the individual from information, reduces our constitutional rights,
> and remove the legal (liability) process in favor of a police state been
> set forth.
>
> The  Protect IP 
> Actand Stop 
> Online Piracy Act are opposed by
> EFF,
> OpenDNS,
> ISP's , American
> Civil Liberties 
> Union,
> BiPartison 
> Congressmen(Ron
>  Paul), Intellectual
> Property Attorneys,  International
> Human Rights 
> Community,
> Global Network 
> Initiative,
> Consumer Electronics 
> Group,
> Public Interest 
> Groupsand
>  nearly everyone else who cares about the current nature of information
> have drafted letters to oppose these acts.
>
> We each can also oppose these 
> Acts,
> since, even with the opposition, it's not clear that they will not be
> adopted in a watered down fashion.
>
>
>> On 11/15/11, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
>> > http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2011/1115_cybersecurity_friedman.aspx
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