Re: OT:
Apparently not under linux. Unless it's nacl, which usually requires acts of voodoo to behave and I'd assume typically do without than deal with. -mb On 11/14/2012 11:02 PM, Joe Gibbs wrote: How about this for a OT topic Everyone should go take a look at this and play around with it. 45 years ago I wanted to build something like this using small lights and lots of wire. Being able to see it on my 23 computer screen via the laptop is amazing and blows my mind. New Chrome experiment maps 100,000 stars in interactive visualization http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ *100,000 Stars* is an interactive visualization of the stellar neighborhood created for theGoogle Chrome http://www.google.com/chrome web browser. It shows the real location of over 100,000 nearby stars. Zooming in reveals 87 individually identified stars and our solar system. The galaxy view is an artist’s rendition. http://9to5google.com/2012/11/14/new-chrome-experiment-maps-10-stars-in-interactive-visualization/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: virus
I think I have backorfice2k floating around in a zip file somewhere still for nostalgia. WinME might still be cool in nigeria, some remote control for fun and profit. -mb On 11/14/2012 04:50 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: Maybe keep spamming the list like this and someone will send you another game... I really need to re-institute my email killfile, but you really just provide too much popcorn, I cannot fathom losing such entertaining posts as these. r. On Fri 9 November 2012 10:17:29 Michael Havens wrote: Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a 'game'. I opened the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored. That is actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a US based scammer. How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10 hops then gives me: * * * the last 'real' return I get is: 10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net (216.187.124.129) 153.151 ms 153.577 ms 154.080 ms :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Frieske...@fries-biro.com wrote: Michael, You are thinking far too one dimensionally. What you really need is the routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida. Then let them steal away. Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this information to Homeland Security. Ha ha ha ha I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously. Kevin On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, Michael Havensbmi...@gmail.com wrote: could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves that try to scam me? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: virus
Somewhat kidding, look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Orifice_2000 -mb On 11/15/2012 10:49 AM, Michael Havens wrote: huh? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: I think I have backorfice2k floating around in a zip file somewhere still for nostalgia. WinME might still be cool in nigeria, some remote control for fun and profit. -mb On 11/14/2012 04:50 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: Maybe keep spamming the list like this and someone will send you another game... I really need to re-institute my email killfile, but you really just provide too much popcorn, I cannot fathom losing such entertaining posts as these. r. On Fri 9 November 2012 10:17:29 Michael Havens wrote: Well... back in 96 (before I ran linux) someone sent me a 'game'. I opened the 'game' and my computer locked up and had to be restored. That is actually what I wanted :) Also, I would never send it to a US based scammer. How do I discover where 'phx.gbl'. traceroute gets to 10 hops then gives me: * * * the last 'real' return I get is: 10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.__peer1.net http://10ge-ten1-2.mia-89p-cor-2.peer1.net (216.187.124.129) 153.151 ms 153.577 ms 154.080 ms :-)~MIKE~(-: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Kevin Frieske...@fries-biro.com mailto:ke...@fries-biro.com wrote: Michael, You are thinking far too one dimensionally. What you really need is the routing and account numbers for an account owned by Alcida. Then let them steal away. Let the jerks explain how they illegally obtained this information to Homeland Security. Ha ha ha ha I got your humor, guys ease up and stop taking thing so seriously. Kevin On Nov 9, 2012 5:54 AM, Michael Havensbmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: could someone send me a virus that I could 'share' with all the thieves that try to scam me? :-)~MIKE~(-: --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Reiserfs
I can't say I've much seen ext4 stabilize. I've had way more issues with it with unclean shutdowns and repairs that need intervention than I ever had with reiserfs for far longer. Admittedly all the issues may or may not be ext4's direct fault, but I've tried as much wackiness then w/reiser as I do now experimenting with features now that cause a panic, and found ext4 somewhat more fragile when provoked. YMMV. I don't condone reiserfs's use much today because the performance is pretty poor by modern standards (check phoronix for benchmarks against ext3/4, btrfs, xfs). Otherwise I'd rather trust my data to Reiser's code personally, dubious character of the creator or not. -mb On 10/24/2012 11:52 AM, Ryan Rix wrote: On Thu 18 October 2012 08:49:34 Derek Trotter wrote: I noticed when I installed the latest kubuntu a couple of weeks ago that reiserfs was one of the options to use for formatting the partition. Does it have some advantage over newer filesystems? Or is it there because it's been around for several years? I never really saw the purpose of Resiser since ext4 stabilized. However! ReiserFS is murderously fast and has tons of killer features http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-married-a-kernel-programmer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Chase access w/ linux
I do get chromium getting cranky when my system depletes of memory, usually it'll start hanging, I'll start getting various JS errors and Aww Snap's with it flat out giving up. I'm assuming you've rebooted at some point to clear memory or you've checked vmstat and htop for memory usage? Otherwise I've used chase's ebanking for someone prior and it worked fine for me a few months back. Going to https://mfasa.chase.com/ in a browser gives me 1 line of cryptic diagnostic/monitoring text. Prod Core LPAR, cigp01b4a002 Auth2 Web I get something similar. Different hex string, possibly. Your's sounds server-side almost... cigp01b4a002 sounds like a cryptic server name, chase internet gateway, prod cluster 01, building 4, app002 vm/lpar would be my guess. If you're constantly trying the base site and being directed there, it sounds like a load-balancer is sticking you to the same server based on a source-ip, which is common for persistence. Kind of odd this happens indefinitely, but you could be stuck to a bad server. Seems unlikely though you're the only one to see that. Try to grab a different ip and try then. Load-balancing is kind of a cryptic art, sometimes the apps and the hardware doing the balancing do strange things the more Layer 7 they get... -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux based network/shared drive
For a pure file server, I second openfile and freenas, as they're quick and almost braindead easy to setup. Openfiler, if you can figure it out, actually can do real enterprise-style clustering with drdb as well almost oob for a nice plus. -mb On 10/23/2012 07:41 PM, George Toft wrote: Hi Josh, If editing config files not your bag, try freenas, openfiler, ClearOS, etc. However, I just set up Samba on CentOS 6 last night and it went pretty painless (much easier than BIND on CentOS 6). There are examples on the Internet that you can use that will pretty much do anything you need. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: linux based network/shared drive (fusion directory)
I saw the bit about GOsa and followed to it's fork, fusiondirectory, which actually seemed rather cool and undiscovered for me. How's yours or anyone's here experience been with it vs. an Active Directory setup? Do you treat them mutually exclusively for lin/win? I'm curious as I always tend to end up having to keep AD to deal with windoze (and linux, with openlikewise well enough) clients/servers in one form or another, but it'd be great to be able to have a free pluggable replacement for it. Openlikewise makes AD almost brainless easy to use for account/system (sudoer groups) management with AD, and is free, where generally you'll have an AD setup anyways. The enterprise version of likewise looks way cool, but too expensive for me to deploy at my house to play with first to recommend to an actual client. I know samba4 was getting there, but been a while since looking at how usable it and/or fusiondirectory might be for managing reasonably current systems like a win7/2008 domain. FD looks quite nice for *nixes if nothing else. -mb On 10/23/2012 07:53 PM, Kevin Fries wrote: Samba can be a bit tricky, especially if you are trying to enforce user access rights. My favorite combination is: - Samba for share management PDC - OpenLDAP for user management - Webmin to configure the server - GOsa to manage user access configuration YMMV Kevin On Oct 23, 2012 7:31 PM, Josh Coffman joshcoff...@gmail.com mailto:joshcoff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need to setup a shared network drive in linux in an otherwise windows environment. (To get around a windows size limit) I know about Samba, and that it's often been a pain for me. Are there any other options or easy ways to set up a network drive using CentOS or something else? I'm guessing they'll want windows authentication, but I haven't asked the question yet. Thanks, -josh --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
4kbyte sectors on new disks
I was curious if anyone else is using the new 4096 byte drives vs. the old/standard-for-ever disks effectively under linux? I've bought almost exclusively hitachi drives for years, but as far as smart reports I've had 2 separate disks recently almost immediately start throwing smart fail errors under ubuntu out of the retail box. One was a 3tb 7200rpm disk, and the other a 4tb. Obviously I'm not happy about this as neither were cheap, but the 3tb I'd *extracted forcefully* from an enclosure after working poorly via usb (ie. warranty went poof), but the second was a boxed retail disk from frys. Not newegg oem's clanking against each other in transit in either circumstance so I'm not sure they were *both* broken. I've been occasionally using the 4tb as a temp disk for extracting very large files in sabnzb as a test, and smart is getting worse and worse as I do. I eventually had to disable the alerts or come home to hundreds of them on my screen via osd-notify. It will later show green again. I really can't tell if it's false like a firmware bug or controller incompatibility issue. My caveat is I have a esata el-cheapo sil3132 card driving sata2 to it, so the disk is already running in backward compatibility, but I find nothing related to issues with this so far, and it's worked for years with old 512 byte drives just fine. Anyone run into something like this? I'm intending to move and try it internal off an internal bridge interface, but I only have sata2 available currently. I have a new mobo with more sata3 that will allow me to try it on there too soon. Maybe my luck is just crap, but then again not everyone runs linux so I take it with a grain of salt as I don't see an outpouring of windoze users saying it too. Maybe since acquisition by WD they have returned to the deathstar spin on the deskstar series. Thanks in advance! -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Reiserfs
I ran reiserfs for _everything_ I did up to about 2yr ago switching to ext4 once Reiser was sentenced and likely never going to write code again. In that time I never once had fs corruption occur to lose data, and only don't think once I had to repair a file system with reiser. Performance was lacking as others were still evolving where it had stopped, so I moved on begrudgingly. That was in days that laptop bios was dubious contributors to unclean shutdowns/suspends and other ugliness, so I was quite impressed with it. Flip side, ext4 has been caused me more corruption than I care to admit or know, having to a few times single-user a box to manually fsck it. I get lots of dubious oddities I attribute to the fs, but could also be the (crappy) ssd's, as that was about the time I switched to using them too. I layer encryption, lvm, and raid enough that I lose trim ability, so not sure how much that factors into it. All in all I consider going back to reiser occasionally in frustration... Side note, I saw just yesterday development is actually still ongoing with reiser4, as his work is being carried on by another contributor/employee of reiser's old company making progress. I somewhat plan on going btrfs to lose the lvm/raid layering done with lvm2 and md today (and get trim/protest ext4 pissing me off), but if not that, I might try reiser4 at some point for grins. Any one else brave enough to run it on a machine they use yet? -mb On 10/18/2012 09:00 AM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Derek Trotter I noticed when I installed the latest kubuntu a couple of weeks ago that reiserfs was one of the options to use for formatting the partition. Does it have some advantage over newer filesystems? Or is it there because it's been around for several years? There are theoretical advantages to using reiserfs if you've got a huge number of small files. I didn't notice any difference in performance between reiserfs and ext3 when I had partitions of both types on the same system, though. Reports from the trenches say that if you've got filesystem corruption, then reiserfsck has a greater chance of totally hosing everything than e2fsck does. The one time I had to use reiserfsck, it recovered everything, but that's just me. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Question about linux and AMD based chipsets/onboard raid
Do you have any flash drives or anything connected it's getting confused with? Occasionally my computer will reboot with a few flash drives I have I forget can/are bootable and my system will boot foreignly freaking me out for 2 seconds until I scowl and disconnect the flash. When I don't, I go on a goose chase forgetting about it, and usually ends up a flash disk plugged in somewhere. Otherwise I'll say your system is still seeing the disks and trying to boot a raw partition vs using the fakeraid labels. Windoze loves mbr, linux tends to be partition based with supersector, add in fakeraid, and I never had a good time trying. The os usually still sees the disks present, so wouldn't surprise me if the bootloader and kernel get them confused in reference as udev builds device resources. Might need to hack around with udev to NOT see them if the bios doesn't have an option to hide them entirely (or fix a bug potentially not hiding them). I insisted on raid1 for both, what usually worked for me was using linux first, or your /boot partition first, then windoze, then another partition as a lvm for ubuntu. If windoze is first, it always screws with it, aside from just frying your mbr. As long as the first partition is neutral, they seem to both behave. I made the raid disk partition a first 200mb slice to use for /boot first, second a win partition, third linux. Partition the three with a bootable linux cd/flash first to the /dev/mapper/raid disk devices but don't install it, reboot/install windoze (xp at least, ymmv above as I don't know), then install ubuntu with /boot on first and everything else in the third (I do lvm pv here), and install grub to mbr to overwrite windoze's. This worked reliably with both then until a nforce bios update incident changed the uuid hash for it and breaking grub and windoze from booting. I was not amused, and put a knife into ever using fakeraid again. Google the term and you'll read the hate stories too rife with issues. By that point I used only ubuntu anyways, so just ran software raid since mostly reliably. Windoze lives in a vm entirely for me nowadays, but then again I don't game on it either, so I can. Vbox 3d drivers in win vm are still poop and made the host unstable for me to try and game. Only purpose I has for windoze was games and visio, visio works dandy in 2d. Rest I have consoles for, though I can't do fps without wsad and a mouse for the life of me. -mb On 10/18/2012 07:30 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: You said you were installing ubuntu to the independent drive (and one of the messages indicates sdb), but where is it putting GRUB? You may need to use the advanced option to place GRUB on that same drive. Sorry, I don't know what screen the option is on during install but it used to be in the lower right corner. Seems like it would be on the screen where you accept all the changes before actually proceeding with the install. On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I have an AMD based chiset and i am trying to get ubuntu to boot right now and it is stalling, and i am having trouble ironing out what is going on. I have onbaord raid drives attached to the onboard raid chipset (SB710) however i am not intending to install to those drives the drive i wish to install to is actually a SATA connected single drive but i am having the worst time getting Ubuntu 12.04 to even finish its boot cycle. and im not getting allot of feedback. The errors i am getting are ata_id[336]: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/sdb': Invalid argument - this is with all Raid disks disconnected and raid turned off in bios. just a single SATA HDD I get one of the two following errors if i have raid disks attached A similar entry as above comes up or i get udevd[167] inotify_add_watch(6, /dev/dm-1, 10) failed: No Such file or directory the most promising option i have so far is booting with nodmraid but it seems to just hang and go no place after detecting my CDrom devices This is rather perplexing overall. Ideally i would like my 2 onboard raids to be connected running windows and then let linux run amok on my extra sata hdd but it either is really pissed off in a way i cannot figure out or it really does not like that port. Anyone have any thoughts? -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect
Re: O.T. Hostgator Registrar
I've looked at going outside gd for years, but most providers do tend to nickle and dime everyone to death. I've wanted to just get dedicated hosts, but hard to justify $200/mo per box to *play* with. Virtual just isn't that attractive as at the end of the day, there is resource contention going to occur to give me any level of warm fuzzies. I'd probably be the bastard too that kills the box. Sadly the only reason I stay GD them to now is a) I prepaid for many years with many domains, and b) they have my old employee status screwed up stuck in the system to the effect I get some free services, which is kinda dandy by me so far. Just the general attitude of the company and particularly certain people I know far too well there from old times make me overdue to migrate off them still, and I have been shopping to do so. Good external solutions are elusive that don't end up costing me way more for what I get today from hosting my own servers at home. I know pretty well infrastructure, and good ones cost more than my house budget to build, but finding reasonably affordable (per joe schmoe) hosting can still surprisingly be a challenge. Especially when it largely amounts to a playground I make no money off of what so ever. Even shopping minecraft hosting providers cost is expensive when it comes down to memory usage needed for extensive worlds. Shared hosting is useful if you're just doing websites, but vps/dedicated I'd think should be more cost-reasonable by now. GD doesn't even offer ubuntu still as a vps, so that's an easy out. I too am a bit curious who/what/if others use for shared/dedicated hosting plus affordable lab and casual use outside their house. I have most of my lab running off my own servers (dated dell 1850's) at home with esx and a lot of instances that I cannot reasonably replace as a cloud and a non-corporate invested profit center. -mb On 10/05/2012 09:19 PM, keith smith wrote: Thank you for your feedback Lisa! I have some domains registered at Godaddy, and some in a WWD (godaddy reseller) account. Godaddy has been reliable. I host my business website there. I also have a HostGator reseller account. Today I wanted to convert one of my business email accounts from pop3 to imap. I already have an add on email account so I can store more email. I had to pay even more for imap. I understand why Godaddy does business the way they do, however I'm growing tired of them nickle and dimeing me every time I want to do something. I want to make life simple so I'm thinking of consolidating everything into my reseller account and moving my domains to HostGator. Also I'm thinking of configuring access via SSH which I can do with HostGator. Much to my surprise HG charges a one time fee of $10 per domain to open SSH. Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 10/5/12, Lisa Kachold /lisakach...@obnosis.com/* wrote: From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com Subject: Re: O.T. Hostgator Registrar To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, October 5, 2012, 9:03 PM Hi! On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:55 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com /mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Has anyone used HostGator as a Registrar? I'm considering moving my domains from GoDaddy to HG. Thank you for your feedback. Keith Keith Smith I did some work for some that were hosted there. And in the old days used them for offsite second (not sure if they still provide that service). They were reliable. http://www.webhostingtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-875904.html Others think so too. Why are you moving? GoDaddy has some really nice services that aren't going to be available everywhere, like URL forwarding, etc. Do you like cPanel? (If you are moving your webhosts also) -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com Chief Clown -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us /mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
At the end of the day, all news agencies are trying to make a buck, which means they're selling interest in products or view, which lead back to product via some level of marketing. They tell you what you want to hear, usually varying for the pitch, but the idea is to hook you long enough to push a commercial that results in a sale for a vendor of theirs. They exist to track you, as their ancient business model mandates such behavior. Technology to resist scare them. Beauty of the internet, is via various privacy modes in browsers, plugins, and simple os security you *can* mitigate most invasions, even casual (and taken for granted, ahem facebook) ones today. Browsers traditionally have been the worst in giving up privacy (thanks microsoft), but noscript alone does wonders, as do other plugins mentioned to halt marketing/tracking nonsense. Good thing some decent humans create plugins against corporate greed mongering and/or stupidity. RSS scraping/aggregating also speeds up perusal significantly hitting a _lot_ of content/news each day without the ads as you really don't care about 20x banners per 40 different omg iphone stories across various different sites you'll hit a day. Your data provider probably appreciates a lot less downloaded temporary crap too, especially on mobile when you're taxed per gb. I use greader on my phone to read the news, synch realtime to google reader, and finish or review news later from my desktop. Splendid setup actually, highly recommended. If your bullshit meter goes off with a feed, replace them. I get as much or as little news as I want across a lot of material this way. I'm pretty rarely caught unknowing about most major happenings I actually care to know about. -mb On 10/02/2012 10:39 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: I can't listen to any news on the radio here(Jellico, Tn) during the day. None of the two or three fm stations available here do any news. I don't pay for the local crappy cable, so I can't watch it on the idiot box. I check out the Drudge Report several times a day. Then I'll take a look at the Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, the Sun, the Register, the Jerusalem post and the Melbourne age. Sometimes I'll put on kfyi for news. Then there is the news on channel 10 or 15. If any of the others stream their news broadcasts please let me know. If I want news and a bit of humor to go with it, fark.com is where I go. Although it is available online, the financially troubled Arizona Republic doesn't appeal to me. How's that? On 10/2/2012 21:41, Dazed_75 wrote: I have the same issues so look at multiple source (none in print) but I've been using BBC of late for real life news even though that doesn't get a lot of stateside or local coverage. I don't think the question was about tech news. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Patricia Wilson wilson.pr...@gmail.com mailto:wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote: For politics and world news foxnews special report. For techie stuff zdnet. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Patricia Wilson Apache Junction, AZ Member NRA, ARRL WB8DXX (Extra) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my
Re: dns at home
Caching bind server install is I think as easy as apt-get install bind9 still on ubuntu (behind a firewall mind you). I run a pair of bind servers, but mostly because I run some internal domains at home to keep track of various server instances and devices. My good old dns servers still run on 8.04, so been a while. :) Another option is dnsmasq running on your client box. I do this on my workstation for significantly improved responses from even my own servers (my esx boxen tend to be fairly slammed all the time these days). You essentially point your resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 first, and leave others as backups, and dnsmasq caches locally off those other servers. Should help performance issues past the first hit without needing dedicated servers. -mb On 10/03/2012 01:43 PM, JD Austin wrote: Heh! Like minds think alike :) On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:39 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com mailto:kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com mailto:kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I would save myself the grief of running a DNS and set my resolv.conf to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 See: http://www.linuxfromscratch.__org/lfs/view/stable/chapter07/__network.html http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter07/network.html ET Derek Trotter writes: Since I signed up with my ISP I've had trouble with dns. Sometimes urls take a long time to resolve. Other times I get errors saying the url couldn't be found. Sometimes a page won't load properly because parts of it come from other urls and those don't resolve. Calls to tech support are a waste of time. So I want to host dns at home. On 10/3/2012 13:14, James Mcphee wrote: No, this is somewhat arcane, but depending on what functions you want, can be quite simple. DNS works by reference, so you don't load the world's DNS onto your server. That server will still need valid external DNS servers. I prefer BIND, myself. I have friends that enjoy PowerDNS. What exact uses are you trying to get out of it? On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com mailto:expat.arizonan@gmail.__com mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking of running dns at home on my linux box(kubuntu 8). I don't want a caching server. Would this be difficult to set up? Would this consume a lot of bandwidth? Thanks -- One mistake up here and it's half a day out with the undertaker! - Fred Dibnah --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.__plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- One mistake up here and it's half a day out with the undertaker! - Fred Dibnah --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Which news source(s) do you prefer?
As depressing as the state of affairs in the world are, I take an RSS of google top stories for general world news, and find that reading just the headlines is enough to more or less keep a pulse on how the world downturns. Anything interesting I'll link through to, but I've found for probably the last few months I don't even bother with that. Not reading the world news does little to worsen or better my life, so I'll take a lessened heap of depression in my life that stems from it. Google reader is great for this, I have tons of different RSS sources that I skim through every day to keep up on everything else I do care about from tech vendors, various news aggregators, blogs, job sites, car sites, whatever. Skimming them all and deep-diving where I want keeps me pretty well informed. Hackernews (news.ycombinator.com), the register, engadget, ars technica, light reading, various android sites are generally some of my more favorites. For devs and sysadmins (and techie geeks in general) I highly recommend hackernews. If I get any impression I'm being marketed to, I kill them quick. Nausea (and infection) is avoided greatly with use of noscript/notscript, adblock plus, and ghostery plugins to avoid directed marketing/tracking. World's smallest violin here when cries of lost ad revenue comes up, I'd rather not be annoyed by impure marketing content that mistake me for an apple user to feed poop to. RSS skimming avoids this too. -mb On 10/02/2012 11:44 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Which news sources (print and/or internet) do y'all prefer? I'm fed up with *all* media sources ... with all of the bias (both ways), spin, distortion, inflammation, exaggeration, ambulance chasing sensationalizing, and overdone visual graphics. Haven't subscribed to any print media for more than 20 years, but used to scan the USA Today headlines online; however, since they just changed their format to force an excessive (imh) clutter of graphics on us, it is no longer a viable option for me. Are there any online news headline sources that are not radical, liberal, left-wing, extremist, fanatic, spinmeisters? ... or (almost as bad) extreme right-wingers? I've tried all those listed at this link and found nothing that seems reasonably fair and balanced ... and most of all *efficient* without excessive clutter. - - - http://www.upquick.com/best/news.htm - - - So what would y'all recommend? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Chromium
Unless you have extensions going haywire, you likely have too windows/tabs/instances of it open, depleting memory and hitting swap. Usually when my system starts bogging down, I'll find I have far too many tabs open, exhausting memory, and/or flash goes bonkers hidden in a page somewhere spiking memory/cpu (npviewer.bin is flash). -mb On 09/24/2012 04:31 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I don't know what happened but my installation of Chrome started boging down real bad. I thought maybe it was the internet unil I decided to test my theory with Firefox. Firefox ran fine so it is Chromium. Is there anything I can do about this? :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: wireless problem
Use wpa2/aes, anything else is somewhat vulnerable at this point, but set it in your ap first. Agree on the interference though, might have to try bouncing different channels to see what works better than others. Use of 2.4ghz is saturated at this point, so its pure rf wars within it. If you can use 5ghz for a/n, that's usually better, but shorter distances and less penetration a house. -mb On 09/22/2012 10:02 AM, Stephen wrote: http://compnetworking.about.com/b/2008/08/21/aes-vs-tkip-for-wireless-encryption.htm can help. I use AES when i can. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:00 AM,j...@actionline.com wrote: Go into network connections and remove the one for your neighbors SSID. Once your system has shown a preference for it (and maybe got an unsecured connection in the past), it will keep going back there. Also delete the one for your own SSID. That way the card will see both signals but not show a preference for either. Then you should be able to select your SSID and enter the :[new] pass phrase instead of relying on whatever XP has in storage for your network. What kind of wireless security are you using on upquick (WEP, WPA. WPA2..._? Thanks Larry. I'll give this another try. I did remove the SSID for my neighbor's connection, but it came right back and re-established itself again. upquick is using WPA2 PSK In network connections, I then see two options: TKIP and AES Can't find any explanation for whatever the difference is. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to reprogram the M$ key?
If you use ubuntu with unity/compiz, do it from ccsm (compiz manager), you might have to install it on earlier ubuntu's. It's usually up to the desktop manager, which unity is mostly a compiz plugin (half its problem). You can set behavior for windoze key (super key under ccsm) there in a number of places and functions. If you can't find it, select it for something and enter, it should complain it's in use. Probably why it freaks your system as you're invoking some video/desktop action with it that has been known to aggravate gl drivers with fancy rendering in composited desktop mode. Desktop zoom, task window switching, and cube spin mode has crashed me across various video cards over the years, most of those work with super keys. Compiz is technically unstable for me generally, so i use a cairo dock widget to enable/disable it with a button. Test your functionality to see if it crashes with metacity replacing the desktop, throwing you out of gl mode. Do this with metacity --replace in a terminal with your user. My pc can usually run for a month or so before my video drivers will have caused enough destabilization to force a reboot. With compiz - days. Lots of video wonkiness if you use hardware rendering libs like vdpau or ati's with compiz too. Kde is different as mentioned too, but it has plenty of gl-based function to cause issues potentially with plasma too. You'll find this differs under any form of compiz direct gl rendering with desktop functions, hardware/drivers, and ram amounts. ymmv. -mb On 09/21/2012 07:48 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: If you are talking about the key that is just to the left of the space. That is the meta key. It's like CTRL, ALT or SHIFT and should be used to get to extra functions in combination with that key. It shouldn't really do much beyond that and shouldn't be capable of locking up your computer. It is used quite a bit in KDE in hotkeys that adjust the window manager. For instance if I press META + 0 I get a magnified image around the mouse. Brian Cluff On 09/21/2012 06:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How can I reprogram/neutralize that annoying M$ key on a standard keyboard? In the past, I have inadvertently hit that key and had it lock up my Linux system. I don't know what it is for anyway, other than as an annoying reminder of M$ anti-trust coercion tactics to try to make the whole world conform to its dictates. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wireless question
Most routers usually ship using channel 6, so change it so something else. If you have linux with a decent non-usb wlan nic (intel), you can use kismet to look at who's using spectrum in your area and on what channels. -mb On 09/21/2012 06:58 PM, Stephen wrote: I suspect someone is on the same wireless channel causing interference On Sep 21, 2012 5:41 PM, Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net mailto:l.tut...@cox.net wrote: Is it possible for cox to cut the speed of my wireless router without affecting my eithernet speed? Out of the blue my wireless has dropped to next to nothing while my hard-wire connection is fine.. Any thoughts? lyle --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to reprogram the M$ key?
I won't argue that, but you're subject to high variability in driver support from hardware vs. driver vs. monitor support and bugginess across versions of all of them. I've seen all kinds of wacky things in different monitor combinations in gnome/unity/compiz in long-term production use as every workstation i own. Joe's problem isn't entirely uncommon with unity and certain invoked glitzy functions. Additionally, since being on 12.04 various new and annoying (at best, worst hard crash) features have been added in unity upgrades numerous times, remapping new key functions for exciting random fits of aggravation. I've wasted too much time figuring out what changed and slipped in new (mostly the damn lens features that remapped the alt key at least twice on me). Unity is much more tolerable when disabled/gutted switching to metacity. Use cairo-dock or awn (i use both) and you don't really miss it. -mb On 09/21/2012 09:38 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: It shouldn't lock up the computer, but the daytime high should never be warmer than 80 on a summer's day. Politicians should always tell the truth. Gas should never be over $1 a gallon, etc. Never underestimate the possibilities when dealing with a computer that's designed by humans, running software written by humans and used for the most part by humans. On 9/21/2012 19:48, Brian Cluff wrote: If you are talking about the key that is just to the left of the space. That is the meta key. It's like CTRL, ALT or SHIFT and should be used to get to extra functions in combination with that key. It shouldn't really do much beyond that and shouldn't be capable of locking up your computer. It is used quite a bit in KDE in hotkeys that adjust the window manager. For instance if I press META + 0 I get a magnified image around the mouse. Brian Cluff On 09/21/2012 06:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How can I reprogram/neutralize that annoying M$ key on a standard keyboard? In the past, I have inadvertently hit that key and had it lock up my Linux system. I don't know what it is for anyway, other than as an annoying reminder of M$ anti-trust coercion tactics to try to make the whole world conform to its dictates. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Internet connection okay, but no access.
169 autoconfigure addresses occur when you have link, set for dhcp, and no dhcp response with an address. It gives the interface something to satiate netlink. This usually means wireless security isn't working, or at least the router doesn't think you are. Make sure it *is* connecting to the router ssid and passing security. Check the router likes the client security session too from logs, and be suspect of the wireless driver stack for the device. With just about anything but an intel nic, wireless under windoze was a crapshoot with xp, never actually used vista/7 to know how quirky they are with drivers/hardware. If dhcp is wonky on the router, you could configure it with another ip address out of the subnet statically, just check another host for the subnet, mask, gateway, and dns servers to replicate manually. I'm thinking if you're not getting dhcp, this won't work. If not, suspect the wireless stack and/or hardware, especially if its using wdm drivers, like a cheap usb wlan nic. If other hosts work and only this one doesn't, could be just winxp acting up, it got infected with something that messed with the driver stack, or you have a bad nic. Quick test would be to boot a live ubuntu cd on the hardware and see if it gets an address, but ymmv with wireless there too unless it's a decent hardware one like an intel. -mb On 09/18/2012 03:00 PM, JD Austin wrote: Many laptops have a hardware switch that turns off the wireless device; ensure that it is turned on. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Media state disconnected means something is unplugged AKA link state is down. On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Do this to see if it has an ip address that isn't the Microsoft equivalent to 127.0.0.1 (169.254.x.x) start - run -cmd ipconfig correction: Windows IP Configuration ... is blank Media State ... shows Disconnected DNS Suffix : is blank IP Address 169.254.201.139 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: why /var/log/messages went crazy?
Things like that have always been hardware or acpi/bios errors for me, basically power management is broken. You can remove whatever hardware you can (or disable it at a bios level), and try looking for a bios upgrade. Maybe force APM mode and/or disable ACPI as JD said via kernel or bios. Likely it won't be fixed by the vendor, as few, especially but a few years ago cared about linux enough to bother. They usually fix it as a driver to windoze (sadly windoze probably works around crap hardware more), and call it *good enough*. My hp has acpi errors like this (breaking suspend, various other shutdown problems under linux), where hp even said in a forum it's not worth their time to fix the bios with so little users reporting it a problem. Boo hp, dell on the other hand will test/qualify/fix for linux on laptops and most hardware. I won't buy or recommend hp laptops again. -mb On 09/14/2012 11:24 PM, JD Austin wrote: Try going into your bios and disabling ACPI (power management) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/475704 What I found helped out was going into my BIOS settings at boot-up time with F11. Then going into the Power tab and disabling ACPI. Then I still get about 10 errors like the one above when I startup, but at least its not the constant log filling that was happening before. I found some documentation listing the BIOS in the SR1700 series of Compaqs as broken. http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt http://www.columbia.edu/%7Eariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Several days ago, my /var/log/messages (and syslog and user.log) went crazy adding entries so fast that my system crashed due to the root partition filling up and giving a no space left message. Thanks to help from plug and another forum, I was able to delete enough files to regain enough file space to get the system restarted, and I then flushed the overloaded error message files and for several days, no messages were added in /var/log/messages , syslog, and user.log for about a week. I was checking for new messages every day or two and all seemed to be okay until today, something caused the /var/log/messages and syslog files to start filling up rapidly again. This time I saved 1,000 of the most recent entries in the messages file (several thousand messages were added today), shut the system down, and rebooted. After that, the messages and syslog files slowed down to a trickle ... but how can I figure out what is causing a flare-up like this? I've posted the last 1,000 entries at this link: http://www.upquick.com/temp/messages.last1000 As you can see, messages were being added at a rate of 15 to 20 per second before I shut the system down. After reboot, messages were only added every couple of minutes or so. Can anyone please tell me what might be causing these message flare-ups and how to stop it. -rw-rw-r-- 1 root273529 Sep 10 03:54 user.log.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root364185 Sep 10 04:02 syslog.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root361529 Sep 10 04:02 messages.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 4755667 Sep 14 17:57 user.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 5114200 Sep 14 17:57 syslog -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 5092302 Sep 14 17:57 messages -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 4756252 Sep 14 17:59 user.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 5114992 Sep 14 17:59 syslog -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 5093094 Sep 14 17:59 messages --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Valve looking for Linux Gamers to beta-test?
Tried pulling that up as it appeals greatly to me, but seems the link (or their server) is dead... It's about damn time, and hopefully Valve can force vendors (and linux where necessary) to fix their drivers finally to do it, much as they already did Intel and Nvidia for linux. I game quite a bit now under linux, and find it quite suitable (after killing compiz permanently and getting adequate hardware). I've been anxiously waiting as steam4linux I'd love to play left4dead 2 across 5-6 screens on my desktop - minecraft is great full-screen across them all for peripheral vision. Creepers can't creep, but does induce nausea with long falls. -mb On 09/08/2012 07:57 AM, Stephen wrote: http://steamforlinux.com/?q=en/node/99 not sure how many of you are gamers, but for those that are heads up! --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: System crash - now shows no space on device
Opps, read one of the posts i missed with the link to your syslog - are
you still getting the same acpi and netlink messages?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/475704
Looks like it's a hardware resource issue, which per that is sort of an
irq sharing issue (flashback to 1995). Looks like a it affects earlier
ubuntu kernels around 10.10, time for a new kernel/install?
The netlink one is a bit odd, what network interfaces do you have
present in the device? Looks like it might be wireless related, maybe
an unused, but active wireless device?
-mb
On 09/04/2012 09:55 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
I'd just do ls -lahS /var/log, which is long/all/human/sort, and
should put the biggest files at the top, Looked like syslog, messages,
user.log were huge. Just delete them and run fsck.ext4(is ext4 right?)
on it from single-user, or unmounting it first if mounted. I've had this
happen, that should fix the inode problem, and reboot after fsck if not.
Might want to cat the file prior to deletion and have a lookie to see
what is filling your logs. The fact it's in user.log too, it's likely a
userland app spewing bonkers - make it happy or reduce runtime syslog
verbosity. Pulseaudio was always a pita for this.
For this reason alone, I usually build /var/log or /var even as a
separate lvm or partition. If it fills, usually only syslog daemon dies
as a result. Learn how to use lvm lv's, they're quite helpful for these
sorts of issues and way more flexible than raw partitions. I also
generally don't get inode issue persistence if it fills like I do with a
raw partition.
-mb
On 09/04/2012 08:05 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Glad you got into it Joe - see below,
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:45 AM, j...@actionline.com
mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote:
Thanks Lisa. Deleting some of the /var/log/messages files did free up
enough space that I was able to boot into kde. But questions
remain: why
did the system create about 3-gig of messages? And that only reduced the
root partition from 12-gigs to 9-gigs when there is actually only
3.5-gigs
of valid content in the root partition?
You can check your free inodes via: # df -i
or via: # tune2fs -l /dev/sdb1 | grep *Free
df -i shows 770K Inodes available 162K used and 608K available, so
that is
not the problem.
Okay that's all good!
tune2fs does not work.
and delete all the files in;
/var/spool/mail/root
/var/log/messages
/var/log/mail*
/var/log/mess*
/var/log/messages did have enormous files and /var/log/syslog also has
more enormous files which seem to be identical in size to
/var/log/messages. Why are these duplicated?
Your /etc/syslog.conf will show you what you are logging and why,
Look for core files
locate core E generates a huge list of files that contain 'core'
as part
of the file names, but none that I can identify as core dumps. How can I
find only core dumps?
You can also use yum or apt-get to remove a package to quickly
get some
diskspace frree
|find / -name core -exec rm {} \;
|
I have been able to 'rm' some files (i.e. messages), but what packages
could I safely remove?
Use locate (find-utils) to identify and remove core files, iso's and
Virtualbox images. But you can't find or locate without /tmp file
space.
removing the root mail spool (be sure to create it again with
touch /var/spool/mail/root | chown root:mail /var/spool/mail/root
You can also determine what files were modified 2 days ago:
touch -t 201209172359 dummy
find / -name 'DS*' -newer dummy
You can also run:
du -h
to see what is populated with what.
df -h
is also good
locate *,iso
locate *,gz
locate *.rpm
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Re: Cox Cable / Static IP / New Router
It's mostly that ARIN requires justification for ipv4 addresses now more than ever. When cox, or anyone, asks for more ipv4 addresses, they want literal records of utilization, unique ownership per customer (usually something obfuscated, no pii), and must meet at least 90% utilization. Probably worse now that there are literally no more to give. When customers use more than one, there had better be a good reason. Usually people need more than one because they never heard of a router/firewall, and have hosts connected direct (insta-infection!). I've run very large offices with interface nat/pat out a single ip, it's not a problem usually, so long as your total session count is less than 64512 (65536-1024) at a time. Limit your torrent sessions locally if you must use bt. Customers will ask for a /24 just to say they have one, and as long as providers got paid in the past, they would swip/rent them. That is no longer the case, as sales of ipv4 addresses in large blocks fetch 10's of millions of dollars now. IPv4 has run it's course, and is now a rare commodity. There will be a point eventually cox will insist you take and use ipv6, or pay for ipv4. They won't dump you for it, they just won't allow you to by the cable modem config push with cpe_host=1 allowing only a single mac. Much like port security features in enterprise switching to limit mitm/arp attacks. Old first-gen lan city cable modems circa 1998 prior to docsis were great for sniffing your neighbors' traffic with arp injection, mac spoofing, and probing their file shares, because they had no protection. Docsis changed that, and these are features the networks use to prevent abuse, including address waste. -mb On 08/31/2012 01:51 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: On 8/31/2012 12:21, Matt Graham wrote: From: Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com Since they [the ISP] already know what cable modem you're using, why do they also require a NIC [behind the cable modem] to be registered before it can be used? IIRC, the original reason was money. The ISP would allow the cablemodem to transmit to 1 NIC with 1 MAC addr, and if you wanted additional devices to be able to talk to the cablemodem, you had to pay the ISP more. ISPs didn't make nearly as much money doing this as they thought they would, because NAT/IP-Masqing are relatively easy to do. They may retain some language in their contracts/TOS/whatever that say You're allowed to connect ONE DEVICE to this network. If they've got that language, they have a way to dump any customer they don't like who's ever used more than 1 network device at a time through their service. Thanks for clearing it up for me. I'm guessing if an isp had that one device rule in their contracts and used it to get rid of a customer, they'd be asking for a lawsuit. The customer could argue they're being unfairly singled out since most everyone has multiple devices behind a router. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cox Cable / Static IP / New Router
They don't assign static addresses via dhcp lease, you just tend to keep the lease as long as you don't let it lapse (your router stays online). If you bought a static address (i think you need business services for this), then you need to configure it as static, non-dhcp. Otherwise a new mac==new ip lease, which you got there. -mb On 08/30/2012 11:33 AM, keith smith wrote: Hi, Last night, after 6 years of good loyal service, my D-Link router died. I just happened to have a never used 2 year old Netgear router in my closet. I hooked it up and everything was fine at first. I have a static IP and it changed. I called Cox and was told I needed to configure my router to tell them what my IP is. I'm not a network guru, so this hit me kind of strange. I thought they assigned IP's. Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cox Cable / Static IP / New Router
If you do that, reboot your modem at the same time. From a docsis level they filter only one mac at a time (unless you pay for more), and flipping mac's won't always simply work. -mb On 08/30/2012 11:55 AM, JD Austin wrote: They go off the network mac address that you're sending them; many devices let you spoof anything you want. If you can still boot the old one get it's mac address and spoof it on the new one. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Last night, after 6 years of good loyal service, my D-Link router died. I just happened to have a never used 2 year old Netgear router in my closet. I hooked it up and everything was fine at first. I have a static IP and it changed. I called Cox and was told I needed to configure my router to tell them what my IP is. I'm not a network guru, so this hit me kind of strange. I thought they assigned IP's. Any thoughts on this are much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Usenet
Sabnzbd all the way if you're intentions are harvesting binaries. I use it on linux, but there's win/mac versions too. I've heard the windoze install is braindead easy, but if you use under linux, get the latest via ppa, not the repo version. NZBMatrix.com is good for an indexer and search engine for it. I have sabsheep on my phone that works between the two to search/point and click download files from the droid. -mb On 08/20/2012 08:28 AM, Josh Coffman wrote: I don't personally have experience with usenet but I saw this article on lifehacker.com http://lifehacker.com a while ago: http://lifehacker.com/5601586/how-to-get-started-with-usenet-in-three-simple-steps On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote: I remember recently someone here saying they harvest files from usenet, but I forgot who it was. Anyway I have a question or two. Which newsreader would you recommend for large groups? Does it run on linux or windows? Thanks --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: okay to delete stuff in /usr/tmp
I used to use a static fs partition/lvm for /tmp, but found more cruft collected there than ever needed to long-term. I now use tmpfs, that works a lot better for me. Just add to your /etc/fstab and reboot - now wipes up after your cruft on reboots. tmpfs /tmptmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 -mb On 08/20/2012 11:28 AM, sean ritzler wrote: I wouldn't clean it up manually. Some of the files may still be needed by something. It looks like you're using Fedora or something RHEL-based, both of which have a cleanup jump for /tmp (and /var/tmp if I remember correctly). As long as you have cron running you shouldn't have to worry about those directories, unless you're really really hurting for disk space :-) Sean On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: Seem to have a lot of old stuff (old file date garbage?) in /usr/tmp. Is there any reason I should not delete any of this old stuff? -rw--- 1 root 48 Jul 26 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.11831.TBQyoK -rw--- 1 root 56 Jul 26 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.11831.GIqT1u -rw--- 1 root 61 Jul 26 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.11831.ZdFFpR -rw--- 1 root 48 Aug 4 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.31420.iZaAkD -rw--- 1 root 58 Aug 4 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.31420.uAXaLC -rw--- 1 root155 Aug 4 2011 init.5UFrQu -rw-r--r-- 1 root 766966 Aug 4 2011 index.html -rw-r--r-- 1 root216 Aug 4 2011 lomanager-install.log -rw--- 1 root 56 Aug 10 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.11278.MvLRdl -rw--- 1 root 87 Aug 17 2011 init.CkseTK -rw--- 1 root 58 Sep 7 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.7730.HPMuoC -rw--- 1 root 48 Sep 7 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.7730.g2msVI -rw--- 1 root 0 Nov 6 2011 init.EjTmLP -rw--- 1 root 0 Nov 6 2011 init.SbAMmV -rw--- 1 root 48 Dec 3 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.13009.odxfw4 -rw--- 1 root 58 Dec 3 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.13009.lVSXdy -rw--- 1 root 56 Dec 3 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.13009.0QjKdM -rw--- 1 root 87 Dec 19 2011 init.HX5yFo -rw--- 1 root 87 Dec 19 2011 init.n2hBHn -rw--- 1 root 48 Dec 19 2011 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.5500.FxD1fL -rw--- 1 root 16346 Mar 6 16:04 076f94f61d77d drwx-- 2 joe4096 May 26 08:17 acroread_500_500 -rw--- 1 root 16346 May 30 16:08 05e004fcfefe6 drwx-- 2 joe4096 Jun 5 17:35 gpg-rhKeMO drwx-- 2 joe4096 Jun 20 11:38 gpg-4qjsVm -rw--- 1 root 56 Jun 29 16:43 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.22022.eJT06b -rw--- 1 root 58 Jun 29 16:44 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.22022.hLYGR9 -rw--- 1 root 48 Jun 29 16:45 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.22022.S6fvcw -rw--- 1 root 61 Jun 29 16:47 dkms_rpm_safe_upgrade_lock.22022.cywVtp drwx-- 2 root 4096 Jul 3 14:05 kdecache-root -rw--- 1 root 119826 Jul 10 08:15 066f25009bd33 -rw--- 1 root 25382 Jul 10 08:16 066f25005ef46 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4622 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4621 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4620 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4625 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4624 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4623 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4626 -rw--- 1 apache 44216320 Aug 1 04:02 core.4619 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Usenet
Definitely not a good idea to diy when trying to index/search across a _lot_ of records like that. I remember the Agent usenet client back in the late 90's included a search function once you pulled headers, searching anything, and then watching as win98 would lock up for 10 minutes. The indexers and search engines now are great. Oh yeah, nzbmatrix works best with an api key, you can feed apps directly from it (most want/require this). I think it was 7 bucks usd for a lifetime (or until sued to death, just because). Service is mostly well worth it too. There is some tco involved, but even for me being a cheap bastard, I'd rather pay $11/mo and $7 once for all the content I could want via usenet than 180 channels on cox for $150/mo and still be po'd nothing is on. The RI|MPAA would sternly disapprove of your choice however as billionaires might starve to death, or something. Sickbeard (tv shows), couchpotato (movies), and apparently headphone now too (for music), are the way to go for ultimate lazy consumer media harvesting with sab via usenet from a browser or phone. Search any of them you'll find a ton of how-to's. -mb On 08/20/2012 07:20 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: Thanks. I'll give Sabnzbd and nzbmatrix a try. I originally wanted to download the headers for each group and search them because usenet search engines I've tried work, but sometimes don't find something that another will. However I gave up on that idea because every usenet client I tried doesn't handle the larger groups well. On 8/20/2012 18:53, Michael Butash wrote: Sabnzbd all the way if you're intentions are harvesting binaries. I use it on linux, but there's win/mac versions too. I've heard the windoze install is braindead easy, but if you use under linux, get the latest via ppa, not the repo version. NZBMatrix.com is good for an indexer and search engine for it. I have sabsheep on my phone that works between the two to search/point and click download files from the droid. -mb On 08/20/2012 08:28 AM, Josh Coffman wrote: I don't personally have experience with usenet but I saw this article on lifehacker.com http://lifehacker.com a while ago: http://lifehacker.com/5601586/how-to-get-started-with-usenet-in-three-simple-steps On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Derek Trotter expat.arizo...@gmail.com mailto:expat.arizo...@gmail.com wrote: I remember recently someone here saying they harvest files from usenet, but I forgot who it was. Anyway I have a question or two. Which newsreader would you recommend for large groups? Does it run on linux or windows? Thanks --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: GnuCash for Android
That's actually pretty cool, if I were actually able to ever get gnucash setup decently to use it. Not from lack of trying, I've attempted probably no less than 4 times over the past 5 years or so to get it working in efforts to track finances more effectively, but never once got the hbci stuff working with my bank(s) to do so. That bit was quite cryptic and frustrating - maybe an android interface will water it down enough to make it usable to a layperson. That and the accounting knowledge required to use it effectively simply eludes me as much seemed to assume I actually understood accounting. Accounting and finances are like geek kryptonite, neither interesting or intuitive enough to actually stick with to make it work. I'd probably just buy Quicken if they actually made a native linux version. -mb On 08/19/2012 12:17 AM, der.hans wrote: moin moin, http://worldofgnome.org/gnucash-for-android/ ciao, der.hans --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
*social* jobs
I saw this, and thought the concept was intriguing: https://silp.com/ Then I realized it was a facebook thing and promptly disregarded it as more heresy/fodder. Last thing I see facebook as is something professional, and as a non-fb user, annoys me of yet another walled garden. That said, the notion of silp was cool, but I already somewhat use linkedin this way, or simply ping via email/im/other people I know if I get a decent job offering somewhere that might be cool. G+ also has some potential in this with job-centric info, but maybe fb does this too shudders. One thing I've often thought missing was an effective job rating method that wouldn't get you or the site owner sued by a given company. Employers would love to have people say it's a great place to work!, but not so much if people are saying it's a sweatshop, run away! or more people quit than are hired monthly. A one-star job rating would likely not bode well for their recruiting efforts. Sadly however, it would save a lot of grief if people knew what they were really getting into with a new job beyond just their duties. This is where I see the social aspect being powerful. Opinion exchange is almost entirely a word-of-mouth thing still, as no one wants the badmouthing getting back to their employers or potentials for fear of repercussion, but happens none the less. It often needs said, if nothing else to warn people you actually like about a bad workplace. I see it as something of a needed public service, but it's obviously subjective information - some level of reputation is necessary lest it devolve to a rumour mongering. Allowing for reputation-based information exchange while obfuscating the results (with some prerequisite privacy) to provide feedback about a potential employee seems would be the key. Back circa 2000, there was FuckedCompany.com that did just that with forums. It was actually pretty decent for seeing what was up with companies/jobs around the bay area at the time, but eventually lawyers got involved as the badmouthing started getting enterprises riled up with confidentiality breaches and/or purported slandering. Most was honest info from honest people, but (imho) crappy companies didn't like the honesty. Their death came in trying to charge for it (premium access to juicy new bits) and legal attacks for them, but for a time, it was good and useful, despite the dubious-but-apt name. This was also back before mainstream America still knew what the internet was, so subpoenas were still hard to come by and justify to trace an IP to an ISP. Now with corporate lawyers having almost a direct api to manipulate law-enforcement and isp's that _do_ offer an api for your info, I think it would last about a new york minute these days before legal devouring ensues. That doesn't mean it isn't any less necessary. Anyone seen something like this ever actually work? Anyone else think this is something lacking from the job market? I've long considered resurrecting FC for the role, but maybe something like this on tor darknet would be better suited to reality. ;) -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How to print to Canon wireless printer on my Linux network.
I'm assuming you run a single subnet (192.168.x.x/24 or such) behind a router, so an ubuntu host can typically scan for a given printer in settings, assuming the printer actually got an ip address and routing (wifi security can be troublesome). It should respond to ping, and can usually find it at least probing/using jetdirect tcp/9100 or lpd on tcp/515. That said, never tried a cannon, but have various office lan brother and hp's. If you can't ping it, check arp on your host and router. If no arp, its usually not there. -mb On 08/16/2012 10:20 PM, Dazed_75 wrote: You still have to actually ADD a new printer. I am assuming Ubuntu here but I would bet it is nearly the same for every Linux Desktop. When you do, select network printer and the printing setup will probably find it. If not you might have to doing it manually from the IP. I've never had to do it that way though. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM, j...@actionline.com mailto:j...@actionline.com wrote: I recently added a Canon wireless printer to my Linux network and set it up with my wife's win-xp laptop to print wirelessly. But I cannot figure out how to be able to print to the same printer from my Linux systems on the same network. I have tried going to my Linux system Control Center where I see my old LaserJet printer, but not the newly added printer. Tried Refresh but it still does not find the newly added Canon printer. Also, how can I find a list of the IP numbers for the computers, tablet, tivo, printers, and any other devices on my system? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu on Android
For giggles I bought complete linux installer from the market and had ubuntu booting on my vzw galaxy nexus in short order. It's doable without buying the installer, but I was feeling lazy, and it was cheap. With the full ubuntu/unity install I couldn't even effectively render the desktop through vnc in any usable fashion. I was going to go back and put lxde on it, then jumped to jellybean, and haven't really had the need or want to revisit lately. I also didn't want to bother until the builds settle down a bit as you're wiping clean to jump roms effectively. It definitely works, just go with lxde builds for it. -mb On 08/11/2012 11:21 PM, JD Austin wrote: It seemed a little half baked to me... I'd rather (like the original poster) have a full Linux distro installed than something running on top. Given recent changes with the Linux kernel adding android kernel bits to the main trunk it shouldn't be long. Until then I'll run a rooted Android OS like Cyanogenmod so I can load whatever apps I want. On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Crawford Rainwater crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com mailto:crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com wrote: JD: Have you tried this out of curiosity and if so, what device(s) have you made work with this? I am curious to hear some personal experiences on this concept outside of the Ubuntu on Android via Canonical circles. Thanks in advance! --- Crawford PS: I receive this list in Digest format, so pardon any delays in responding in advance. The Linux ETC Company 10121 Yates Court Westminster, CO 80031 USA voice: +1.303.604.2550 tel:%2B1.303.604.2550 web: http://www.linux-etc.com Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be friendly to the environment by saving paper. - D Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com wrote: - http://androlinux.com/android-ubuntu-development/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-android/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: DON'T PANIC
Same thing here - slowaris early in my unix-y years only had vi prior to finding out about sunfreeware.com, so i just got used to it. Finding vim made it that much more likeable to prefer it to today. To this day I'll find myself when using a windoze system notepad or gedit on linux still compulsory hitting :wq! when done, and having to think for a sec why it didn't do anything. Opps... -mb On 08/10/2012 07:46 PM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Patricia Wilsonwilson.pr...@gmail.com I was exposed to vi several years ago. It made me ever so thankful for the nice people who developed emacs. Years and years ago, the Solaris boxen at college had vi, but not emacs. pico didn't cut it for anything complicated. This left me no choice but to become a vi king. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ot Online school
Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps). Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable. I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's seamless mode, and you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$ side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app sans windoze necessity. Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze. Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps over the years. Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio, assuming Onlive fixes their damn client... -mb On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote: It will run on 1 but 2 is better. And 2 cores are best vs 1 On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7) :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats, as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to every few years to stay compatible with their own poop. I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times, generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have* to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03 compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;) Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice, so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to windoze users. Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft. -mb On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote: Its cool I was surprised they specified an OS as well. but the university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me. This is what they said (in part): Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle. Open Office for Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We also have Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use those online apps. As long as you can view the following types of files you should be able to access most anything in the courses: * Video o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf), * Word Processing o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx) * PowerPoint o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx) * PDF * Excel o occasionally .xlst, .xls * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices, you are welcome to try others) As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared specifically to a Microsoft product
Re: ot Online school
Just FYI, consulting and being around random shops with customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats, as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to every few years to stay compatible with their own poop. I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times, generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have* to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03 compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;) Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice, so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to windoze users. Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft. -mb On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote: Its cool I was surprised they specified an OS as well. but the university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me. This is what they said (in part): Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle. Open Office for Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We also have Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use those online apps. As long as you can view the following types of files you should be able to access most anything in the courses: * Video o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf), * Word Processing o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx) * PowerPoint o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx) * PDF * Excel o occasionally .xlst, .xls * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices, you are welcome to try others) As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared specifically to a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you want to take that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows based interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get you into the section (different instructors) where you will not be required to use MS Office. SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree! :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong harold.w...@microsoft.com mailto:harold.w...@microsoft.com wrote: I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you to run a specific OS. With that said, if you really need Windows 7 for school and want to continue to use Linux as your main OS, I would recommend virtualizing it as that would be much simpler. __ __ Harold Wong Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US Developer Platform Evangelism - West Region Office: (425) 706-3501 tel:%28425%29%20706-3501 | Blog: blogs.technet.com/haroldwong http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise Administrator | MCITP Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 | VCP5 __ __ *From:*plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Adam McCullough *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* Re: ot Online school __ __ Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have a hard time finding a university that isn't very MS-happy. __ __ Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at best. I'm pretty sure Windows protects against that. Licensing/piracy reasons. On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for a University now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that isn't so in bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em. or else coulde I out it on an external HD? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: the pert i left out is if you install windows to the drive that has Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make space it will overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and reconfigure it. alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: well personally if you
Dropbox popped
http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/07/dropbox-confirms-it-got-hacked-will-offer-two-factor-authentication/ So yeah, about not trusting cloud storage services... At any rate, users may want to think about examining more secure alternatives, encrypting their files, or simply not storing ultra-sensitive information in Dropbox. An employee account was exploited for this, probably a password gotten via some other exploited site, or cracked (weak pw policy). Sad proprietary/confidential data, let alone pii, was even publicly accessible in any means. Why I'll keep mine on my rfc1918 ip lan, thanks. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Dropbox popped
It's them, as a consumer organization, trying to walk the line around convenience. Same as some organizations *still* do not enforce auto-password locks on workstations because some grumpy executive doesn't want to remember a password. Blizzard eventually had to do dual-factor when warcrack accounts/items became profitable to sell, and others just to keep from becoming a scandal from lazy users. I enforce mostly the same standards at home I would at work, but sadly naive companies treat their data just the opposite - not someone I would do business with. No proprietary/pii data should live outside a firewall. You'd think they'd at least hold employee accounts to a complexity standard, but that assumes they just didn't use the same pass everywhere and it got lifted externally. This is common these days. So yeah, dual-factor externally where possible. And don't use mschap v2 to send it (lots of enterprise wifi does). ;) http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-tldr-version-of-moxies-mschapv2.html -mb On 07/31/2012 08:48 PM, Mike Bydalek wrote: Just some random thoughts to expound on Michael's ... I get what you're saying, but I think limiting it to cloud storage isn't enough (or fair). Having *any* NPI (non-public information) stored in any means *other* than being encrypted is just asking for trouble - Dropbox or at home. You can have all your sensitive data on your computer at home until you get robbed and now someone has all your CC#s, bank login info, etc. (or lose your laptop). I pretty much live by the rule of thumb saying, Anyone can get access to this data. How can I prevent them from using it? To get back to Dropbox, the employee in question had a file of e-mail addresses. Their account password was probably weak and someone guessed it. This situation can happen under *any* web-based system that isn't using two-factor authentication (Gmail.com? Mint.com? etc.). That's why when websites have really stupid password policies (ie. no more than 8 characters, no special characters, etc.) or don't have a system which locks the account after X failed attempts, auditing successful logins, etc., I have a really hard time believing they are taking security seriously. -Mike On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Michael Butashmich...@butash.net wrote: http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/07/dropbox-confirms-it-got-hacked-will-offer-two-factor-authentication/ So yeah, about not trusting cloud storage services... At any rate, users may want to think about examining more secure alternatives, encrypting their files, or simply not storing ultra-sensitive information in Dropbox. An employee account was exploited for this, probably a password gotten via some other exploited site, or cracked (weak pw policy). Sad proprietary/confidential data, let alone pii, was even publicly accessible in any means. Why I'll keep mine on my rfc1918 ip lan, thanks. -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Dropbox popped
On 07/31/2012 09:17 PM, Mike Bydalek wrote: When people (*especially* internal Dropbox employees), start putting unencrypted NPI data out there, that falls in the whole, You're doing it wrong! bucket. Here here. I would say most business fall into this in some way however, that is the reality. User security is like cat herding. I agree with everything in your post except I'm not so sure about the no pii data should live outside a firewall. While generally (for network accessed data), yes, the reality is that it is not always practical. Indeed, well I meant more what is stored by the organization receiving your data, provide some pretense to security within their application to maintain under layered security. We do transmit, and trust via SSL/TLS for this otherwise, which is somewhat flawed in the fact most systems will still downgrade to weak crypto or backward-compatibility to keep vermin like ie6 compat alive. Or the pki registrars sell an intermediary to the gov to mitm your sessions anyways. :) The fact a list of emails, of users, were stored in a project document (ahem, spreadsheet) is telling of just what else occurs there as a general corporate posture. Only with all your personal data too as raw files. So yeah, how was that personal cloud projet going by the person that mentioned it before? -Mike --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: speakeasy/megapath (was RE: CenturyLink/DirectTV)
I'm pretty particular about outages, most instilled from business that there's a big different between 99.99 and 99.999 percent uptime on networks. Modems locking up classify as that, but physical signal issues are more often where those are directed, or upstream headend equipment failures outside windows. I hear from a few folks their modems do that, but it's a bit of a misnomer considering most dsl modems are also a router/firewall, and one of questionable performance. Back when bittorrent wasn't being lorded by ambulance-chasing lawyers trying to sue everyone using it, I could crush my old pix firewall with connection amounts generated by it (+2000 at times naturally). So much so, I actually imposed static limits on tcp/udp translations for it, but not easy to do when it began hiding in other ports and protocols. Older or more cpu-bound consumer routers (or crappy code on them) can easily get crushed with a few-thousand connections tracked for nat purposes, so wouldn't surprise me if the outages are somewhat self-inflicted with cpu/memory for nat simply getting exhausted. It's been years since I've had to reboot the cox modem that wasn't a somewhat planned outage (I usually ask one of their backbone guys that knows). I'd rather it stay a dumb modem and let my asa handle the rest. Bell telco's might as well equal government run, and sadly I find their union influence drags their quality down as they create more problem than they fix (and they don't/can't get fired). When they have outages, it's usually pretty large and egregious, and i see this much more with business services. Cox is _very_ anti-union, and I understand why, other than simple corporate greed. Same could be said of Cox's residential contracted installers however being of questionable quality standards. I have personal issues with the Belle's, but no less than with Cox or others - I simply have found cable internet over time to be superior in service offering, and not just pride of having helped build the tech, or Cox. In the end, use what works for you, and what you find acceptable in your area. Some parts of town simply have notoriously bad coax feeders, or 2wire for dsl that cannot practically be fixed thus giving you little option in one over another. Show me single-mode fiber in the ground at my house at a reasonable cost, I guarantee you my opinion, and isp would change. mmm, optical. -mb On 07/30/2012 08:46 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: However, you guys talking about 'outages' make me go - huh? Outage? I'm sure we've had some, but I haven't seen anything but the periodic lockup of my DSL modem such that I have to power cycle it (no more than once a month - in fact the last time I did that was probably 4 months ago) - and I'm not sure I can blame them for that (it's my own modem - previous one died and I just threw my own in there). Well, ok I remember there have been scheduled outages at times, but their scheduled maintenance is almost always between midnight and 6am, as far as I remember, so I don't remember ever being offline due to them. I may have been, but I don't remember it...) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV
I do, mostly my lab, but I have it running on a residential connection, and only the mid/20mb package. I can ipsec or ssl-vpn to my asa, and do what I need to remotely when on business from my lte router from my internal network. I don't use a lot of bandwidth (aside from personal usenet reaping), it's mostly internal stuff with vmware, various linux systems, ad controllers to play with, storage, and a host of other vm's, but it amounts to quite a few. That mostly stays gige within my house though. I nat everything out one address, and vpn in for everything else. I'm planning to go business services once I actually need higher uptime than I get now (ie someone to come when it breaks asap), and they're good for it. Pro-tip - If you have a relation with a cox account manager (or know someone at times) from bigger businesses with fiber connectivity or such, you can sometimes get a deal as a teleworker package personally, which amounts to bulk connectivity for business service cable to aggregate their workforce on cox connections with business-level mttr. Generally its the highest-service level package, business response, and ~$80 dollar price tag at last check. It's usually kind of a hook-up deal, but depends if your business account manager likes you spending money with them, and enough of it. :) -mb On 07/28/2012 11:51 AM, keith smith wrote: I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though.. -- Are you using Cox to do this? I home office and twitched from a consumer package to a business package so I would have the ability to run a server. I ran a server part time for testing only. I was testing out the Qmail Toaster. I had a bad experience running a server about 10 years ago. I left the email relay open and was exploited. Since then I have been leery of running server out of my house. My cable connection has been very stable with just a couple of outages. I think those outages where on my consumer connection. I do not think I have had any outages since twitching. I'd be interested to hear if you are using Cox for your home based data center. Keith Smith --- On *Fri, 7/27/12, Michael Butash /mich...@butash.net/* wrote: From: Michael Butash mich...@butash.net Subject: Re: CenturyLink/DirectTV To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Friday, July 27, 2012, 10:33 PM Qwest/CL DSL has always proven spotty *at times* with anyone I've ever known using it. As a network guy I inquire with fellow geeks I know, and they let me know. Generally the residential side of Qwest/CL fairly weak on troubleshooting most issues because of simple physical problems that often cannot easily be overcome with 2wire systems. If you can get VDSL, it's decent from what I've heard, as long as you have new wiring, in a new area, and live close to where every they dropped the local dslam. Most fall NOT into this category. Data comes in the form of modulation, and consider 10baset requires 4 wires still, gig ethernet 8. 2-wire is poop compared to the modulation and speed capable on _shielded_ coax. Qwest has simply had to push the envelope with dsl tech to remain relevant in the market, eventually resorting to new wiring (twisted-pair i think), often with some shielding now to achieve it which is hardly traditional for a telco outside of business service. Eventually they had to begin to roll fiber as they were reaching unpractical limitations in their 2wire tech to modulate data at *competitive speeds*. Fixed point-to-multipoint ala old sprint broadband and various others operate in parts that do it too now, sometimes a decent alternative where available I've heard (cave creek area). At least until it is oversubscribed to hell. Sprint acquired independents here in town setting them up, but ultimately they oversold it to death, and finally shot it in the head to finish years later. Not sure this isn't the eventual outcome of any wireless deployment. Satellite is a last-resort option with as stated, latency and bandwidth caps (extreme point-to-multipoint far, far away). If celco's weren't so greedy/proud of wireless LTE tech, it would be decent as a fixed solution as well as mobile as latency and throughput is much improved. I couldn't run the small datacenter in my house with it though. I can however get a LTE EHWIC for a Cisco router now that customers can and do use as a backup solution when someone back-hoe's your businesses fiber. Qwest/CL fiber deployment, like fios is pon, passive-optical network based. These are not to be confused with anything like optical ethernet, sonet, dwdm, etc that are active optics. Cable, dsl, most non-optical (generally) are subject to async behavior as you have a small modem, and a very large cmts and active amplifier network driving very
Re: OT: Cellular Modems
I keep a little 4g samsung hotspot router on me from vzw that is very convenient when I need to jump on with a laptop, or let someone else on with me too. $50 bucks/mo for 5gb (that's the worst of it). I'd had a built-in mini-pcie card that I could never get to work right due to buggy hp bios in my laptop (gobi2100 if i remember right, elitebook piece of s**t from hp, ugh) and eventually gave up on in favor of the hotspot router. I'd use my phone, but didn't like the notion of losing data when I would get a call (prior to my having a 4g phone with separate data radio now). GSM isn't an issue for this with separate data/call bearers anyways. -mb On 07/23/2012 06:19 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Most smart phones can be tethered and even provide a nice Wifi AP for others? I get really good data throughput even on 3g with Android O2 firmware on a Dell Streak ATT. I had a Verizon USB modem in the old days when you had to recompile the kernel on Ubuntu to use it with USB, but I really don't think the expense is worth it, anymore, due to phone tethering. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: All verizon phones as part of the share everything have it enabled now. Any rooted android phone can also. On Jul 23, 2012 2:39 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com mailto:klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know this for a fact, however I hear you can use certain smart phones as a wifi hot spot. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 7/23/12, AZ Pete /p...@cactusfamily.com mailto:p...@cactusfamily.com/* wrote: From: AZ Pete p...@cactusfamily.com mailto:p...@cactusfamily.com Subject: OT: Cellular Modems To: PLUG Discuss plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, July 23, 2012, 1:40 PM Hi All, I am looking to pickup a cellular USB modem that my wife and I can use on her laptop when traveling (rather than relying solely on trying to find free Wifi). I know that there are providers where I can purchase the modem device and purchase a month-to-month data plan. I'm looking to go pre-paid as I don't need (or want) to have a recurring monthly bill when I'm not using it. In case it matters, this would be for a Win7 laptop. Any recommendations?? Thanks, Peter -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us http://mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** http://it-clowns.comSafeway.com Automation Engineer --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cox Cable TV
I use largely the same. Ubuntu and xbmc work quite well, though after my media box died now use a boxee box front-end (xbmc-ish with boxee, a xbmc port + more internet-ish features like netflix, hulu, and other commercial-cramming sites). Honestly, I haven't had cable in umm... 15+ years now, and haven't needed it since I found out what a divx and usenet was. I'm surprised it's taken this long to see cable mso's actually lose users to internet-only, but it began a good 3 years ago finally, and most that do don't look back. My grandmother can barely navigate the netflix ui (back and forward in menus eludes her), but at 78 she's excused and will keep paying for service to up/down through endless crap channels. Everything else needed to replace it is generally a polished ui, webapp, web service, or phone app that makes it astonishingly easy to see what you want, when you want, in whatever quality you want. Now that media cartels and service providers are making it even more annoying to bother paying them to get media ala the 'copy once' flag nonsense and hdcp, I fail to see the point of bothering with cable/ota/fios tv. Considering anything worth watching is redistributed digitally cleanly (to the chagrin of the media industry) without incessant, nagging, annoying commercials/blipverts to make your head explode, it's a no-brain decision to me at least. Put a hdmi nvidia card in your tv box, use xbmc with sabnzbd, couchpotato, and sickbeard - just add hard disks (and lots of them). You'll wonder why people bother wasting 17 minutes an hour on commercials in shows too, watching them in order, and actually getting a story/entertainment out of it. Geeks.com has a refurb boxee box for $115 right now with hdmi/component out. Mine gets cranky with 1080p mkv's occasionally, but otherwise works pretty well. -mb On 07/23/2012 07:24 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: Hiya, XBMC (X Box Media Center) is a big part of the Sabayon 5.6 distro. I have no cable to connect to, so I don't know if this is a solution. - Subject: Cox Cable TV From: doc_me...@yahoo.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:42:44 -0700 I think I know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway: Anyone have experience setting up Cox Cable TV with a cablecard and anything other than Windows Media Center? I used to have a MythTV box working at my old place, but now that we've moved and got Cox, it seems that the only media player capable of dealing with the copy-once flag is WMC. Any insights would be appreciated. - Scott (-: Chas.M. :-) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Weird virtualbox...
Sounds hardware-ish as Lisa mentioned - I'd do a memtest on there, sounds like whenever something trys to grab a gob of ram, it hits a dead chip, poops itself, and exits with a malloc error. I've used just about every release of vbox for years now and never seen that. Either that or you have a bug in the chipset that a certain instruction is dying on. -mb On 07/14/2012 08:20 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use some help to evict them... This is what's happening: I use: 'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something' a lot. Works every time. Or 'mostly' every time... Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box): ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox I get: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x099c5e48 *** And a long trace. This is the quick rundown of how it broke: My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had (can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu. After that, the problem started. This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and install the latest Mint/Mate. Problem didn't go away... The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the only thing I preserved was my home directory. So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory causing the problem. Nope... Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user. Same $#!T... :( Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine. And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it works fine too! It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails. But it used to work just fine... Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is: What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism (ONLY for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and works fine from everywhere else. Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know what to do... I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind. :( Any ideas? Sight... ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: networking problem
Mike, whenever you see connection refused, it's usually a layer 4 issue (osi model here), meaning you don't have a service listening on the port (ie. openssh-server not installed/running), or there's a firewall blocking you (that sends rst/fin's back). I'm loathe to say firewalls even, as there IS no firewall local to a vlan (unless your network engineers get crazy with vlan acl's on managed enterprise gear). Pick up a CCNA/N+ book, would do you some good to understand layer 1-4 troubleshooting, but it's something like this: Test Layer 1 - Link light on both ports to a switch, check Test Layer 2 - Look for arp entries after you try to pass traffic, no arp, no vlan/switch communication, check Test layer 3 - Ping between devices, if ping works, move to layer 4 Test layer 4 - Telnet to the tcp service port (ssh==22), if you can't connect or refused, check the service or for presence of firewall, if you can, app issue - go to os/app sudo netstat -anp | grep tcp | grep LISTEN is your friend, look for the port/service listening to make sure it is accepting connections, like for ssh you'll see 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN. This means it is accepting connections on port 22 on/for all ip's, which is what you want for public services. Worst case, try to telnet localhost 22 locally to make sure it works there, that'll disprove firewalls in the mix. This is quite basic, but usually good enough for most appdev's that come beating me about the ears with network problems to diagnose their own poop first. Usually ends up with something stupid like service wasn't running or opps, it only bound itself to listen on localhost/127.0.0.1). Much like here. :) rant Unfortunately I've found in most rapid development/deployment methodologies (umm, microsofties mostly), they instill this mindset of you don't have to know networking, call this magical function that makes data appear in your buffer - easy see!, at least until it doesn't work the first time. Anything else == contact your network administrator, and they wonder why network people hate nothing more than to see an app person walking toward them with a clueless, panicked look on their face. Network engineers hate this, as more often than not, the services they're trying to use simply don't work, and they have no idea how to even troubleshoot it (neither of which amount to a network problem per se, just theirs). Developers really need taught some network 101 (and beyond actually) with how to use their servers still. /rant Funny part is I don't usually have this issue with unix apps/devs, as most unix/linux admins are forced by nature to know what a tcp/udp socket is, and how it works. As a network guy, I learned AD, Windoze server stuff, and even Unix/Linux to simply be able to combat clueless users on my networks, including most sysadmins that don't understand networking. Not to say they're all clueless in general, but most that deal with network-based services know far less networking than they should. Simply telling them their apps are broken are not sufficient, more often than not even telling them why it's broken is not sufficient, but simply I end up having to log in, and fix it for them as they have no concept of a tcp socket or how they work. -mb On 07/10/2012 11:20 PM, Michael Havens wrote: and that, my friend solved the problem! openssh-server was not installed on the laptop but openssh-client was. Now that both client and server are installed on both systems they both rsync in both directions again. Yipee! Thank you so much. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:32 PM, James Dugger james.dug...@gmail.com mailto:james.dug...@gmail.com wrote: Type: dpkg --get-selections | grep openssh-* to find out if Openssh is installed on the system. If it is you should see the following: openssh-client install openssh-server install To install it if it isn't installed type: sudo apt-get install openssh-server -- James --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Could a wireless print server work with an older printer?
USB to RS232's are common, I have half a dozen of them I use as console cables with routers and such. Pick one up at frys for 10-20 bucks or a few bucks off ebay (from china, +2week wait) You can get little bluetooth to rs232 adapters as well if you dig wireless. -mb On 07/11/2012 05:08 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Or, is it possible to make a connection from a usb port to an rs-232 connector? --- Recently, someone on this list suggested that I might be able to use a wireless print server to hook up my printer. Could this be made to work with my old HP LaserJet 4 laser printer that now has an old style printer cable plugged in to an RS-232 port on one of my old computers. Now I have a newer computer that has only usb ports and no RS232 port. So, I'd like to know if there is a way to connect that old HP LaserJet printer to a wireless print server so I can send print jobs to it wirelessly? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Looking for Router Suggestions
Check out routerboard: http://routerboard.com/products I don't know much about them, but the os seems very versatile Mikrotik routers seem to have a good community about them, just not sure what features the os provides, but seems very versatile, and mentions openvpn (I'm thinking endpoint, not hub). http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:RouterOS_features If you really want a router with 2 interfaces for outside and inside, you'll have better luck, and just get a gig switch for behind it. Most routers really have just two (wan=outside,switchports=inside), and just include a small switch built-in to get the 5 ports. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:53 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: I am looking for a router with the following characteristics: * No wifi * 4 gigabit LAN ports * 1 WAN port to connect to my Cox Cable Modem * 400 MHZ+ processor so I can run OpenVPN SSL for a max of 4 remote users to access the LAN at the same time. The last point comes from reading various forums about running openvpn on the router, and they all say get the fastest possible cpu. I probably have to run dd-wrt on the router to get openvpn running on the router, but I am open to other options (most of the open source router packages support openvpn, so anyone will do). Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
Yet another make linux look like windoze distro? I forget the last few that tried to sell linux to do that and withered away eventually. Seems like the only thing it has is playonlinux and wine probably a bit better baked out of box installed to make gaming or winapps accessible, rest is just premium themes to (ack) make it look like win. Better off just installing them on something like ubuntu that is much more generally supported if/when needed. Check gnome-look.org for themes, im sure you can find something (free) to make it look like winxp/7 if you really, really must. -mb On 07/04/2012 11:21 PM, Wayne Davis wrote: Wondering what the consensus is regarding it. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS
I watched the 2012 WLS one, and he's mostly right, but far over-dramatizes it I think. Linux definitely does not suck as a desktop, but if calling it that helps fix bits that do - sure. I use linux exclusively for home and work, which is generally no small feat, relegating windows to vm only. My wife as a non-sysadmin user runs linux natively as well, doing Minecraft, facebook games, gimp for graphics, openoffice, and general every day use. While it gives me grief at times, it also gives me far more potential than any windoze system would without installing linux in vm or cygwin on it. I thought my big desktop system had issues until I used a customer dual-head win7 system for a few days for systems access, and there were far more split desktop rendering issues than I would have expected for modern winos. I suddenly appreciated linux that much more with or without my compiz/ati issues. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:32 AM, AZ RUNE wrote: Well same here, and for the pure spirited 'no its another skin of Windows' try watching Jupiter Broadcasting Linux Sucks on Youtube where they are addressing why Linux doesn't work in the desktop, laptop arena. Made me re evaluate a few things and I am die hard linux fan living in a mixed environment at work. Brian --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
From a new user perspective, mint (or others) may be better out-of-install, but a lack of features like install methods for raid/lvm/crypto functions just tell me its immature or a sub-grade knock-off. I'm not an enterprise, just security aware and conscious of mtbf on drives to want/expect enterprise features (it *is* linux still), and more people should too (especially when mint uses ubuntu as a base already). I'd rather just use ubuntu as the distro without unity on it as a base and get general industry support, especially for video driver blob support as it and fedora/cent are the standard vendors are willing to support. I'd like to see what kind of experience mint users have with dist-upgrades as well. Something tells me if canonical isn't catching the big things that break the os, Mint isn't going to either. As for windoze-y linuxes, this odd distro is still going... Remembered this from years ago that looked waaay too much like windoze if that's what you're looking for: http://www.ylmf.org/en/index.html It *is* based on 10.04 LTS, so at least you get some software support, and hopefully not just odd tcp socket connections back to chinese ip addresses. -mb On 07/05/2012 07:39 AM, Kenn wrote: I've been having pretty good results with Linux Mint Maya v13 using the MATE desktop for the last week or so now. I don't run the newest fastest hardware. I was a big Ubuntu fan for the longest time, but I just cannot warm up to the Unity desktop on a desktop PC, although it's OK on my netbook with a small screen. Gnome3 desktop wasn't working out for me either. The last straw was updating Ubuntu to 12.04 and it hosed up two machines. Sure, a fresh install likely would have worked, but I was due for a new desktop. Just my two cents. distrowatch.org is good reference for selecting a distro best for you. -Ken --- On *Thu, 7/5/12, Wayne Davis /waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com/* wrote: I'm looking for a distro that works well for people weaned off Winblows. So far, school's out for this one, but i'm giving it a chance for a while for it to grow on me so to speak. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Opinions on Zorin OS (and a side order of Mint)
Yes, either use metacity --replace to kill compiz (and unity), or I also use a cairo-dock plugin called composite manager to flip between them. I use a startup launch for cairo and awn, using them to replace unity, the menu, tasks, and systray items, so I don't even notice unity being gone. Between reducing from 2 framebuffers to 1 with a new video card, and disabling compiz/unity, I'd gotten a few weeks of uptime until yesterday whereas prior I'd get about 3 days of stable use. I need to run through and try different desktops now, though anything but unity pooped itself (sad to say) when presented with very large desktop framebuffers. -mb On 07/05/2012 01:46 PM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: CAN you get Ubuntu to NOT use that stupid unity interface? (Goodness, people, this is a desktop computer, NOT a phone!) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: HELP-Kubuntu-Whacked screen after update
I've had ill effects occur in kde and gnome like this forcing me to basically rename the ~/.gnome2* directors as well as ~/.kde to rebuild/fix odd desktop issues. The profiles were sometimes glitchy due to laptop hard shutdowns forcing me to recreate new, but haven't had that issue in a long while with ext4 (always suspected it was a weird reiserfs artifact). Upgrades in ubuntu more often then not hose my systems desktop-wise as they extend/change dbus and gconf schemas, and upgrades don't seem to always catch usage throughout the desktop config files. I'm sure kde is similar. Try a new user profile and work back from there, renaming it from a root shell and/or create a new user. -mb On 07/03/2012 11:57 AM, Wayne Davis wrote: A friends system had an update yesterday. Today, when you boot it up, the is a blue screen with a couple of folders that WERE on the desktop before. BUT,it says its unable to load the system tray now. I did have him boot into recovery mode run DPKG's fix mode, which only removed 1 obsolete file. Still the same results. Any Ideas? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: some pages just won't load
Noscript (firefox) or notscript (chrome equivalent) are extensions, security, default denies scripts and breaks anything remotely web2.0ish with good reason. Necessary evil, especially if you use windoze. I use it mostly to deny advertisements or other ill attempts at getting more script access than i wish to give questionable vendors. Sites using them are questionable enough to allow as it is. I'm thinking it's more crap scripting that doesn't work entirely compatible with chrom(e|ium), ie errata/bug. I've seen some odd scripting differences using chrome under windows or chromium under linux on enterprise-y necessary crapware (ahem, cisco acs and others) that I can't explain other than scripting fixes/changes between versions trying to make sense of ambiguous code. That *social* site looks as though it will test your scripting to see what it can extract from your computer for user information, expect compatibility issues outside of IE that it would just otherwise use to mirror your hard disk to their server. :) -mb On 07/03/2012 05:21 PM, Michael Havens wrote: I really don't get this at all as far as I can see chrome is the same on both computers. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I think the person said something about noscript. I can't find where to check all these things. How do I see which JS I have enabled? The only setting for JS I can find is two radio buttons: Allow all sites to run JavaScript and Do not allow any site to run JavaScript with the first being checked and no exceptions. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: Check what java script and the like you have enabled or not. That's what it sounds like. If you have noscript check it too On Jul 3, 2012 3:04 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: You know how when you hover over certain words a drop down menu appears? Well that isnm't happening on one of my computers Chrome instances. On a possibly related note on this same computer some web pages will not load completely. I seem to remember being advised to disable something for security but I can't remember what it was or if I followed the advise. The website is hi5.com http://hi5.com . The first three tabs (home, profile, messages) will not load fully. Hmmm I wonder. I just noticed that the tabs that do not load fully are the ones that are not pull-downs. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a slight problem. On one of my computers I have one page that just will not load completely. I'm thinking that maybe I enabled a filter or something but disabling the filter has no effect. The website is hi5.com http://hi5.com and the 'home' tab, the 'profile' tab, and the 'messages' tabs don't fully load. On a possibly related note when I hover over links that show drop down menus the drop down doesn't appear I wonder, someone suggested disabling something at one time for security reasons and maybe that is what I did what does those drop downs? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: some pages just won't load
Honestly it sounds like infrastructure/code problems on their side more than browser scripting, but different versions of browsers interpret things differently. I see big differences between milestone releases of chrome/chromium how certain webapps work differently, and a complicated social networking site is no different. Your issue sounds like a hung session that eventually timed out, reconnected, and got its resource finally. Bad/broken scripting (or server) causes odd timing events too with menus and other mouse-over events that sometimes I see not fully complete, even flicker. Load balancers cause this kind of errant display when dealing with non-stateful code, but largely depends on what framework and language they use for their content menus. I see lots of craziness like that with asp or any windows-y code in anything but ie. You don't need notscript, only your symptoms sound like when js *is* broken from it disallowing scripting by default. It won't help you here, but still good to have. Most sites want js actually, only im selective about what gets allowed. Keeps crazy scripting and tracking to a minimum when they truly add no value (to me). You'll see things like double-click, intellitxt, and various other parasitic sites that try to run scripts to track, advertise, and in other ways exploit local scripting for their business necessity. I find most times I only need to enable scripting on one site, the parent site, and leave the other 9 blocked to function. Sites like gawkers are terrible, requiring 4-5 domains just to function for content delivery. I avoid them as poorly designed and now annoying. This reduces the overall possibility someone will infect you with a drive-by script attack (rogue ad in facebook seems most common). Kept me virus free for duration of windoze use with noscript+firefox, but it reduces marketing nausea under linux as well using notscript+chrome. I use this as kind of a gauge how much a site is out to screw me. Sadly more do than don't. RSS is a good way to bypass it as well to get content off a site without direct scripting. -mb On 07/04/2012 08:34 AM, Michael Havens wrote: Hm. this is interesting. I git an email stating someone left me a message and I followed the link and everything loaded correctly. It must have taken a while to take effect (I guess). Anyways how will I be able to tell if a site need JS? On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: But it works with my ubuntu box but not on the mint laptop. (both running chromium) Thanks for looking at the site. Okay, so I installed the notscripts extension, set the password, and restarted, and added hi5 to the white list but none of those steps helped any. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Noscript (firefox) or notscript (chrome equivalent) are extensions, security, default denies scripts and breaks anything remotely web2.0ish with good reason. Necessary evil, especially if you use windoze. I use it mostly to deny advertisements or other ill attempts at getting more script access than i wish to give questionable vendors. Sites using them are questionable enough to allow as it is. I'm thinking it's more crap scripting that doesn't work entirely compatible with chrom(e|ium), ie errata/bug. I've seen some odd scripting differences using chrome under windows or chromium under linux on enterprise-y necessary crapware (ahem, cisco acs and others) that I can't explain other than scripting fixes/changes between versions trying to make sense of ambiguous code. That *social* site looks as though it will test your scripting to see what it can extract from your computer for user information, expect compatibility issues outside of IE that it would just otherwise use to mirror your hard disk to their server. :) -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: HELP-Kubuntu-Whacked screen after update
Hmm, sounds like your filesystem got wacked out. Might need to fsck it manually. Did you fill the filesystem, like 100% with nothing free? Check your dmesg output to see why it's mounted as ro, something broke, or fsck can't autorepair it due to corruption of sectors. Might be worth looking at smart results on the disk too. Exactly what happened when my profiles would get hosed, but usually a fsck and a reload would resolve without damage. -mb On 07/04/2012 12:00 PM, Wayne Davis wrote: I cannot rename the directory from the Recovery/Root prompt, says it is a read-only file system. What now? On 07/04/2012 12:43 AM, Michael Butash wrote: I've had ill effects occur in kde and gnome like this forcing me to basically rename the ~/.gnome2* directors as well as ~/.kde to rebuild/fix odd desktop issues. The profiles were sometimes glitchy due to laptop hard shutdowns forcing me to recreate new, but haven't had that issue in a long while with ext4 (always suspected it was a weird reiserfs artifact). Upgrades in ubuntu more often then not hose my systems desktop-wise as they extend/change dbus and gconf schemas, and upgrades don't seem to always catch usage throughout the desktop config files. I'm sure kde is similar. Try a new user profile and work back from there, renaming it from a root shell and/or create a new user. -mb On 07/03/2012 11:57 AM, Wayne Davis wrote: A friends system had an update yesterday. Today, when you boot it up, the is a blue screen with a couple of folders that WERE on the desktop before. BUT,it says its unable to load the system tray now. I did have him boot into recovery mode run DPKG's fix mode, which only removed 1 obsolete file. Still the same results. Any Ideas? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: some pages just won't load
Ask that of the facebook user crowd after the nth time their data has been misused, sold, exposed, leaked, and sold again 20x times. -mb On 07/04/2012 12:12 PM, Robert Holtzm wrote: Let me get this straight. You white listed the site you referred to *after* being told it was a user information vacuum hose? Did I misread something? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet
Unless you have a managed switch, don't force negotiation, as it'll just cause the switch to run in 10base/half-duplex (lowest common denominator) when there is no negotiation advertised. It's sitting in 100/full already, which is what you want. If you do ifconfig eth0, do you see any errors? Collisions and CRC errors will stack if there is a negotiation problem. Seems like either the switch or phy port on the mybook is wack, but doesn't make a lot of sense you'd lose that much anyways. Try different switch port/cable if there are errors. Have you tried pinging from the mbl itself to the gateway or other hosts? Could be they have some kind of input iptables filter rate-limiting/shaping packets or some such, but unlikely. -mb On 07/01/2012 02:39 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed - MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: MII PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: external Auto-negotiation: on Link detected: yes MyBookLive:~# So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many packets? Mark On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: So I need to run this on the MLB? Mark On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote: As such. You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course. jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2 Settings for eth2: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Supported pause frame use: No Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Link partner advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Link partner advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: MII PHYAD: 0 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Supports Wake-on: pumbg Wake-on: g Current message level: 0x0033 (51) drv probe ifdown ifup Link detected: yes On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: How do I use ethtool to answer your question? Mark On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote: What does ethtool tell you about what the interface thinks it is? On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: I have a 100baseT network with several Debian servers, a mac book, and some virtual windows. I just picked up a Western Digital My Book Live (MBL) 2TB NAS at Costco, and powered it up on my network. The unit is just sitting with its green light on, and the web interface is really slow. When I ping the device, it shows somewhere from 50% to 86% packet loss. If I ping any other computer on the network I have 0% packet loss. I have tried moving the device to different physical plugs, and I get the same results. ping results for the MBL from server A: --- 192.168.25.213 ping statistics --- 330 packets transmitted, 152 received, 53% packet loss, time 329555ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.208/0.273/0.650/0.048 ms ---
Re: Networking Question Regarding Gigbit Ethernet
Out of the last several external WD drives I've gotten for myself and others, most have failed prematurely, caused very buggy hardware issues (bios wouldn't even load with their usb drive connected), and prior mentioned removal of firmware features to allow drives to be raid friendly. I showed my support by not buying them for a good 3-4 years now. Seagate raced to last with the maxtor purchase, wd just borg'd hitachi's drive business, leaving Samsung as about the only other viable hd company. Competition is obviously alive and well in this business with the product quality showing as a result. Probably better off sniping a used little drobo unit off ebay on the cheap and byod than messing with vendor nas junk if they can't even ship a stable os on the unit. -mb On 07/01/2012 04:18 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: Well, the update finished, but I am still getting over 50% packet loss when I ping the device. I guess back to costco it goes. Mark On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: The device is now updating the firmware..and there are no packets lost on pings to the device or pings from the device. Mark On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Unless you have a managed switch, don't force negotiation, as it'll just cause the switch to run in 10base/half-duplex (lowest common denominator) when there is no negotiation advertised. It's sitting in 100/full already, which is what you want. If you do ifconfig eth0, do you see any errors? Collisions and CRC errors will stack if there is a negotiation problem. Seems like either the switch or phy port on the mybook is wack, but doesn't make a lot of sense you'd lose that much anyways. Try different switch port/cable if there are errors. Have you tried pinging from the mbl itself to the gateway or other hosts? Could be they have some kind of input iptables filter rate-limiting/shaping packets or some such, but unlikely. -mb On 07/01/2012 02:39 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: I was able to ssh into the MBL and it has ethtool installed - MyBookLive:~# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 100Mb/s Duplex: Full Port: MII PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: external Auto-negotiation: on Link detected: yes MyBookLive:~# So, it should work on 100baeT. Any thoughts on why I am loosing so many packets? Mark On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:mark@__phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: So I need to run this on the MLB? Mark On Jul 1, 2012 1:36 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote: As such. You need to use whatever eth device you have, of course. jmcphee@locus ~ :) $ sudo ethtool eth2 Settings for eth2: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Supported pause frame use: No Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full 1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full Advertised pause frame use: Symmetric Receive-only Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Link partner advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
Re: Strange Server Behavior
NFS gives me very buggy results when a share is using data that detaches network reachability suddenly (ala vpn or other, dedicated remote hosts bound to wilds of the intertubes). It'll break the desktop, usability, apps halt. etc. Wouldn't surprise me if something tried to flock a file and couldn't at the moment for whatever reason. I've run gtk apps from nfs before and found it fairly unstable when mobile on wifi or other that interrupts connectivity. I've largely not moved my homedir over to strictly nfs because of that instability, but I'd like to try as I mostly rsync my homedir elsewhere as much as possible already. -mb On 06/28/2012 09:46 AM, Mark Phillips wrote: The results so far running exim4, cups, apache2, openvpns, and ntp, resutled in 5349 packets transmitted, 5349 received, 0% packet loss, time 53480414ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.101/0.207/3.027/0.050 ms So the problem is in one of these applications mediatomb mysql nfs-common mfs-kernel-server rpcbind I will set up a test tonight for these bad boys. Mark On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: Rusty, I am running another test now, with the following services running exim4 cups apache2 openvpnas cups ntp I will keep you posted. Mark On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Carruth, Rusty rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com mailto:rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote: Well, I had to ask J __ __ I’d say its ‘divide and conquer time’ like I suggested earlier – enable half (approx) of the services and run the test. If it passes, turn those off and then turn on the other half, rerun test. If it passes, life gets hard, and I’m going to ignore that possibility for now! Whichever test fails, repeat the above with that reduced set of services. __ __ If both halves pass, then there is some interaction between the services, and it’s not so easy as divide and conquer. (but of course, if a service depends upon another one to be fully functional (apache and mysql are likely examples) then you’ll have to keep those services together till the bitter end (as it were)). __ __ However, there is still hope someone here has another idea… __ __ Rusty __ __ *From:*plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] *On Behalf Of *Mark Phillips *Sent:* Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:12 AM *To:* Main PLUG discussion list *Subject:* Re: Strange Server Behavior __ __ Rusty, The test was run from 11 PM to 7 AM, so no one in my house was doing anything but sawing logs, as far as I know. Yes, teenagers tend to stay up late, but I would have heard the tv. I don't think any of the other machines are really doing anything at that time as well. I don't think anyone is using my wifiI have a 64 character key for AES and mac address filter for security. Yes, I know one can eaily spoof the mac address thing, but it keeps some out. I also have not seen anything strange in the logs. Rsync is a good idea, but I agree - fragile, lots to set up, but maybe worth a thought if nfs tends to be the problem. Maybe a script to check if a local folder has changed, and then rsync it Mark On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Carruth, Rusty rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com mailto:rusty.carr...@smartstoragesys.com wrote: Well, NFS server is less likely (I think!) to cause momentary freezes than the client, but samba MIGHT be an idea. Hopefully someone else here has more experience with the server side of things, or maybe google would help. On the upload video thing – if you wanted to go to a lot of work, you could put directories on each computer that periodically get rsync’d (or whatever) to the server, so that the family members only need to copy the movie to the directory on their machine and it will automatically get copied across. But that may be more work and fragility than you want J (and might make you more expendable!). but that could get rid of nfs or samba or any such thing. Probably not worth doing if NFS isn’t’ the issue J, so I’d say turn on half the processes and see what happens, as I mentioned before.. Thinking about the system for a bit – first the schedule of when things
Re: Need Help setting up a VPN Connection to my LAN
This sounds like yours does what is known as a lan to lan configuration, or lan extension mode. Two subnets routing together, not a remote access or client-based vpn, like a home-office extension to work permanently. Not client-based vpn, which is probably what you're looking for. Normally what you want is to have a vpn device that acts as a concentrator for clients running crypto software, initiate a connection, set up virtual tunneling from your box to the concentrator hub, and you now become an extension of the internal network from your client/host. Yours sounds like it's meant to tie your subnet to a hub device, which implies like two of these devices back to back across the internet, not a windows box phoning home. If you're looking for a good little vpn box, snipe an old cisco pix 501 unrestricted on ebay cheap (or buy-it-now for ~30-50 bucks), setup client ipsec vpn connections with local accounts documented since the beginning of time, free client software for every platform (native on linux now with cvpnd/network-manager) and use that as it requires minimal gui config. It supports 3des which is still fairly adequate for clients, or you can find newer asa5505's for ~200-300 that do aes256, certs, ldap auth (ad), whatever. Good/cheap device with tons of info out there, and a built-in java gui wizard for setting it up that even a windoze admin can figure out client vpn setup. I'm actually looking to do this at the moment to stub off my mom's house on a persistent tunnel lan extension to my network so I can remote-manage her security and give access to my media stash. The little pix 501's are good Openvpn is good too, but more diy than you may like with certs and such vs passwords. You can get the little ddwrt/tomato ap/router boxen like asus n16's that can also install openvpn for this if you want a canned solution. There are other soho vpn boxes I've seen at frys and such, but they're entirely ymmv-ish off-brand stuff usually. Not sure netgear or dlink are really know for their prowess for vpn client function, but I think not. -mb On 06/24/2012 01:21 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: Stephen, Thanksthere are tons of options on the device. But I read that I need a vpn server on my LAN.other posts say no.Most of the information I found in forums is several years old, so I thought someone with more experience than me could point me to a better manual. I read this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/489, but again it is over 5 years old, so perhaps there is a better solution? This is the manual page from the BEFSX41.I am not completely sure which options to use. Plus, I assume I may need something running on my laptop - OpenVPN? Do I need a VPN server on my LAN, or something else, to be able to login to my different machines? Mark */VPN/**/Passthrough/* This Router supports IPSec, PPTP, and PPPoE Passthrough. You can select either*Enable*or*Disable*for these options. */VPN/* *Select Tunnel Entry*- Select the tunnels number you want to set up. *Delete*- click this to remove any entries made for this tunnel you selected. *Summary*- Click this button to display the status of all the tunnels. *IPSec VPN Tunnel*- Select*Enabled*to create a tunnel or*Disabled*to close the tunnel. *Tunnel Name*- Once the tunnel is enabled, enter an arbitrary name for the tunnel you are about to create. *Local Secure Group* This allows you to grant local computer access to this tunnel. Subnet This will allow all computers on the local subnet to access the tunnel. Enter the IP Address and Mask to allow access to the tunnel. IP Addr.This only allows the local computer with the specified IP address. Enter the IP address you want to allow access to the tunnel. IP RangeThis allows a range of local computers to access the tunnel. Enter the IP address range allowed to access the tunnel. * Remote Secure Group* This allows you grant remote computers access to this tunnel. Subnet This will allow all computers on the remote subnet to access the tunnel. Enter the IP Address and Mask to allow access to the tunnel. IP Addr.This only allows the remote computer with the specified IP address. Enter the IP address you want to allow access to the tunnel. IP RangeThis allows a range of remote computers to access the tunnel. Enter the IP address range allowed to access the tunnel. HostWhen this is selected, the settings will be the same as the Remote Security Gateway. Any This option will allow any IP address from a remote location to access this tunnel. * Remote Secure Gateway* This sets the remote end of the VPN tunnel. You can either specify the IP address, Domain, or Any. IP Addr.Enter the IP address of the remote tunnel you will connect. Domain This option lets you enter the fully qualified domain name. If you do not have an IP
Re: Looking for Streaming Media Software Recommendations
I've tried dnla-based stuff with my xbox360 for tv, but found it was more hassle than it was worth as m$ doesn't support decent codecs for playback anyways. Can your tv actually dnla high-res media? For me if not, it's kind of a why-bother. With the 360 being useless for high-def playback, I built an ubuntu media pc with an hdmi nvidia card, xbmc, and never looked back. Until it died at least. I got a boxee box, and that could do netflix, 1080p mkv playback, cifs/nfs, and just about everything in between, and was pretty decent. At least until an update a week ago bricked it. grr. Sadly I don't think hardware vendors get it to make actual playback function openly supporting varieties of codecs, but dnla was a start. What kind of tv is yours? More interesting is they're hacking the smart tv's now, though not sure if their hardware would actually support decent playback of anything but codecs cut off at the knees to protect media cartels and not anger them. Having root hopefully takes back control of what amounts to a lightweight linux box on just about every modern smart tv, just add xbmc and some hardware gpu offloading. I would ass-u-me they have some level of hardware decode on them, so let the games begin. http://hackaday.com/2012/06/20/getting-root-on-a-sony-tv/ http://www.samygo.tv/ Sadly I bought an lcd the year before smart tv's became the rage, so I'm stuck with external hardware via hdmi. Now if i could find one that didn't die/suck. -mb On 06/22/2012 12:57 PM, Nadim Hoque wrote: For that setup i used mediatomb. It is a ver simple program that says it can do transcoding but I was unable to do it. I think debian has it in the repos, but if not pretty easy to compile. One it is set up and the config file has the correct info in regards to databases (it can us mysql or sqlit as the back end) the the rest is through a web interface. Nadim Hoque From: Mark Phillips Sent: 6/22/2012 12:24 To: Phoenix Linux Users Subject: Looking for Streaming Media Software Recommendations I have a underused Debian headless server, a network enabled DLNA TV, so.why not stream some movies to this TV? I am looking for recommendations for a streaming media server that will run on a headless Debian server. Thanks! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Verizon Smart Phones
I have a galaxy nexus now, and I'm rather torn with it. It's the second samsung android that has given me nothing but fits, and I'm thoroughly convinced samsung cannot make hardware to save their life. I suffer from various issues from bluetooth/wifi instability, audio routing issues, simple reboots, you name it. But the display is friggin' beautiful. I snubbed a razr maxx because of the display, and cursed motorola for not having a 720p phone to compete at the time, as I'd take a moto phone any day. I've had a bionic and droidx, and both were good until either getting crashed on concrete or taking a swim inadvertently. Definitely noticed android usability got well improved with dual core going from dx to bionic, really looking forward to quad's. Just need to fix the battery life, as my gnex kills me with ~5hr use on charge. Service wise - I'm shopping right now after getting a +$900 phone bill this month from them. I've considered for a while, as for 3 phones, 2 with data, one 4g hotspot, I pay almost 250/mo, after a 21% employee discount. Slapping me upside the face for voice overage charges, even after I upgraded to unlimited minutes this month to avoid it has really been a bit too much. After years of that, it is starting to hurt just for the absurd cost alone. This is twice vzw has got me to leave, though first time I came back after sprint proved absolutely horrid both in wireless and customer service. A buddy went to straight-talk from att, which straight-talk uses att, and actually gets better quality service. I've noticed just from talking to him and not getting disconnected 3 times on every call. 460/mo I think for voice service is pretty damn reasonable, as I more or less consider voice legacy technology. I'm not keen on giving up on vzw's 4g service, especially my unlimited data @30/mo, but I know it's only a matter of time before they just screw everyone with it anyways. I've also read Clear Wireless has very reasonable rates, planning to do some more research on them this weekend. Vzw's new shared data is a joke, and more absurd than any of their current pricing. I was actually looking forward to it, as between my hotspot and phone, I don't really use *that* much data. Hotspot is more of a backup for work and really rarely used unless im traveling, so shared minutes should be a boon, but I'd pay well more than what I get today. I'd like a connected tablet too, but can't justify another 40-60/mo for one on a non-shared plan, and doesn't justify their shared at all. As much as I like vzw's service, it's getting harder to justify their cost, especially when they screw with me with an absurd bill. -mb On 06/22/2012 08:45 AM, keith smith wrote: Hi, This is very OT. I have been with verizon for 8 years. Voice only. It has been 4 years since I upgraded our phones. It is just my wife and I. We are thinking of going with smart phones. A friend suggested HTC phones because of the better quality of speaker and mic. Voice quality is very important to me. As it stands we can get unlimited voice for $120/mo, 1000 texts for $10/mo and 2G of data for each phone for $20/ea/mo. Total is about $170/mo + tax and fees. I like verizon because they have always provided top of the line service. I've briefly looked at Straigt-Talk, T-Mobile, and Sprint. My fear with these providers is quality of the call, availability, and dropped calls. Any suggestions on which phone to get? From prior conversations on this list it seems a Droid phone is the way to go. I don't think I will ever want to take the time to root my phone, however you never know. What about phone apps and other things I might not be thinking about? I appreciate all the feedback you will provide! Thank you in advance for your help!! Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT Verizon Smart Phones
Opps, 495/year for straight talk unlimited voice, not monthly. On 06/22/2012 10:37 PM, Michael Butash wrote: I have a galaxy nexus now, and I'm rather torn with it. It's the second samsung android that has given me nothing but fits, and I'm thoroughly convinced samsung cannot make hardware to save their life. I suffer from various issues from bluetooth/wifi instability, audio routing issues, simple reboots, you name it. But the display is friggin' beautiful. I snubbed a razr maxx because of the display, and cursed motorola for not having a 720p phone to compete at the time, as I'd take a moto phone any day. I've had a bionic and droidx, and both were good until either getting crashed on concrete or taking a swim inadvertently. Definitely noticed android usability got well improved with dual core going from dx to bionic, really looking forward to quad's. Just need to fix the battery life, as my gnex kills me with ~5hr use on charge. Service wise - I'm shopping right now after getting a +$900 phone bill this month from them. I've considered for a while, as for 3 phones, 2 with data, one 4g hotspot, I pay almost 250/mo, after a 21% employee discount. Slapping me upside the face for voice overage charges, even after I upgraded to unlimited minutes this month to avoid it has really been a bit too much. After years of that, it is starting to hurt just for the absurd cost alone. This is twice vzw has got me to leave, though first time I came back after sprint proved absolutely horrid both in wireless and customer service. A buddy went to straight-talk from att, which straight-talk uses att, and actually gets better quality service. I've noticed just from talking to him and not getting disconnected 3 times on every call. 460/mo I think for voice service is pretty damn reasonable, as I more or less consider voice legacy technology. I'm not keen on giving up on vzw's 4g service, especially my unlimited data @30/mo, but I know it's only a matter of time before they just screw everyone with it anyways. I've also read Clear Wireless has very reasonable rates, planning to do some more research on them this weekend. Vzw's new shared data is a joke, and more absurd than any of their current pricing. I was actually looking forward to it, as between my hotspot and phone, I don't really use *that* much data. Hotspot is more of a backup for work and really rarely used unless im traveling, so shared minutes should be a boon, but I'd pay well more than what I get today. I'd like a connected tablet too, but can't justify another 40-60/mo for one on a non-shared plan, and doesn't justify their shared at all. As much as I like vzw's service, it's getting harder to justify their cost, especially when they screw with me with an absurd bill. -mb On 06/22/2012 08:45 AM, keith smith wrote: Hi, This is very OT. I have been with verizon for 8 years. Voice only. It has been 4 years since I upgraded our phones. It is just my wife and I. We are thinking of going with smart phones. A friend suggested HTC phones because of the better quality of speaker and mic. Voice quality is very important to me. As it stands we can get unlimited voice for $120/mo, 1000 texts for $10/mo and 2G of data for each phone for $20/ea/mo. Total is about $170/mo + tax and fees. I like verizon because they have always provided top of the line service. I've briefly looked at Straigt-Talk, T-Mobile, and Sprint. My fear with these providers is quality of the call, availability, and dropped calls. Any suggestions on which phone to get? From prior conversations on this list it seems a Droid phone is the way to go. I don't think I will ever want to take the time to root my phone, however you never know. What about phone apps and other things I might not be thinking about? I appreciate all the feedback you will provide! Thank you in advance for your help!! Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Has Anyone Used OwnCloud?
I too am curious how ymmv with owncloud - I'd looked into it a bit ago when shopping cost/features of various providers, but it seemed clunky still. Cost is a big issue why I don't now, especially when I probably have better infrastructure in my house than most cloud providers. Plus, any public cloud services scare me, as really I see them as inevitable they'd be cracked or worse, go out megaupload-style for government, media cartels, and ambulance-chasing lawyers fighting over who's harvesting data first. Having worked for enough service providers and enterprise, I've seen what incidents doen't make it public, and that scares me for my data even more. Security concerns me more than performance, but both are important. What I need is something to global sync work files, person files, media, all the good stuff that really never needs to see the light of day. It sits behind my home network already replicated a number of ways, really just need it easily available across platforms grandma style with a high level of security. I'm assuming dropbox and like have caveats too, but from what I've seen it's slicker than anything else, especially when it'd be nice to pull up a config file at home to look at on my phone/tablet while away at work and without firing up a laptop. Just rather keep the data at home where I know it's plenty safe already. Slight reference anecdote: a guy at a company I was working at (a cisco ccie mind you) was fired when one of our full router configs was found on pastebin and investigated back to him. He was using some kind of secure cloud sync app on his apple product to work from that ended up dumping it on pastebin full public read and swears he had no idea. Opps. Fairly recent reminder of why I don't put my data in any cloud I didn't build. -mb On 06/20/2012 06:00 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: Crawford, Thanks for your email. I have read conflicting reports in some forums that the file transfers (backing up user data) are slow. Is this true? Also, are there sync clients for different OSes that automate client backups? Thanks, Mark On Jun 20, 2012 12:24 PM, Crawford Rainwater crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com mailto:crawford.rainwa...@linux-etc.com wrote: Mark: Linux ETC has set ownCloud up for a client and has it as a demo site on our web server as well. It uses SabreDAV in the backend, so a little different than the typical WebDAV for API calls. We are still debating offering this as a service as well for general public use based on the storage size allocated on a monthly basis. What else would you like to know? ;-) --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company 10121 Yates Court Westminster, CO 80031 USA voice: +1.303.604.2550 tel:%2B1.303.604.2550 web: http://www.linux-etc.com Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be friendly to the environment by saving paper. - Mark Phillips m...@phillipsmarketing.biz mailto:m...@phillipsmarketing.biz wrote: - I was googling how to build your own cloud storage, and ran across owncloud.org http://owncloud.org. A glorified webdav server. Does anyone have any experience with it? Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: raid (was RE: OT: Dell disks)
Agreed - I have a separate nas I rsync important data regularly with between my laptop as I often work away from home, here I just use the nas. Problem is I don't always have my laptop on at home, and sometimes goes weeks without replication. I run the ssd's in raid1 as a) i want *some* disk-level redundancy so as not to rebuild my desktop from scratch yearly when they puke and b) want the speed, so am willing to deal with their questionable nature. I'd buy some of Rusty's companies industrial ssd's, but they don't seem to sell to want to sell them easily anywhere, and what I do find for sale is insanely priced ($10-20/gb). Nor does anyone commonly sell them even if i were made of cash. Kind of annoying to get enterprise stuff at home you have to hit secondary markets ala ebay, sorta like a crackhead hitting a swapmeet for off the back of the truck goods. Definitely not something I want to get refurbed after some enterprise has run sql db's off it for 2 years already. I might pay double to avoid the stress of rebulding the os yearly with crap ssd's (which seems 98% are), but not 10-20x. -mb On 06/21/2012 09:01 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: Other than the case when 2 drives failed, Raid 5 worked for me for many years. If you are using simple mirroring though 2 drives failing will cause the same issue. I now use Raid 6 for a little more redundancy. Always backup your data to other storage (offsite if possible) in-case of disaster. Gilbert On 6/21/2012 8:41 AM, Carruth, Rusty wrote: -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us on behalf of Eric Shubert On 06/19/2012 09:13 PM, Michael Butash wrote: So yeah, no raid is perfect... ... -mb I use software raid strictly on servers, which are headless (of course). ... I don't know why anyone would run SSDs in a raid. RAID IS NOT A BACKUP. Rather than my guessing, would you mind explaining your reasons? I'm curious. ... BL, *never* use fakeraid, and avoid raid-5 if possible. Disk space is no longer expensive enough to justify using raid-5. Wow, someone else who agrees with me - IMHO, if its important enough to need raid, don't try to skimp and save a few bucks so you can lose your data! Rusty --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Dell disks
Lesser known fact, but I stopped buying Western Digital drives because they purposely began removing firmware function to disable tler, purposly pushing people to buy their 2x cost enterprise drives to *support* raid. It turned into a inet snafu at one point from backlash as they ripped it out mid-run of drives so half worked, half didn't (their popular black drives too known for performance, and suitability for raid). The only real difference IS the firmware (and warranty, but meh), so their removing the tler disable ability to NOT cook my raid is a rather offensive, especially simply in the name of selling drives at higher margins. I haven't bought a WD HD in a good 3-4 years now because of it. Sad is I migrated to using Hitachi disks for a few years as they don't cripple their disks, and now they got borg'd by WD, which I'm certain they'll just muck those up too to push for raid==enterprise==high margin. I refuse to by Seagate since they integrated the dubious Maxtor junk, now I/we're just about out of options for cost-effective disks that don't suck.. So much for choices, industry consolidation is for the best though! -mb On 06/19/2012 06:28 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Hi Mark, On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net mailto:m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I'm considering buying a Dell desktop (Inspiron 620), but a few years ago I was warned off them because Dell did something different to their disks so that you had to buy replacement/additional disks only from Dell. Any chance that it's still true? Unless you have a hardware RAID card, and you are buying a desktop, you should not have enterprise grade drives, but check with Dell Support for the model you are interested in. You are referring to TLER/ERC/CCTL: Hard drive manufacturers are drawing a distinction between desktop grade and enterprise grade drives. The desktop grade drives can take a long time (~2 minutes) to respond when they find an error, which causes most RAID systems to label them as failed and drop them from the array. The solution provided by the manufacturers is for us to purchase the enterprise grade drives, at twice the cost, which report errors promptly enough so that this isn't a problem. This enterprise feature is called TLER, ERC, and CCTL. *The Problem:* There are three problems with this situation: The first is that it flies in the face of the word *Inexpensive* in the acronym *Redundant Arrays of /Inexpensive/ Disks (RAID)* http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/%7Egarth/RAIDpaper/Patterson88.pdf. The second is that when a drive starts to fail, you want to know about it, as Miles Nordin wrote in a long thread http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=119639tstart=0: * Posssible Solutions:* For a while, Western Digital released a program (WDTLER.EXE) that made it possible to enable TLER on desktop grade drives. This no longer works. *Linux:* This message http://marc.info/?l=linux-raidm=128640221813394w=2 implies that it's impossible to tell a drive to cancel its bad read operation: You can set the ERC values of your drives. Then they'll stop processing their internal error recovery procedure after the timeout and continue to react. Without ERC-timeout, the drive tries to correct the error on its own (not reacting on any requests), mdraid assumes an error after a while and tries to rewrite the missing sector (assembled from the other disks). But the drive will still not react to the write request as it is still doing its internal recovery procedure. Now mdraid assumes the disk to be bad and kicks it. There's nothing you can do about this viscious circle except either enabling ERC or using Raid-Edition disk (which have ERC enabled by default). Evidence that using ATA ERC commands don't always work: Both Linux and FreeBSD can use normal desktop drives without TLER, and in fact you *would not even want TLER* in such a case, since *TLER can be dangerous* in some circumstances. Read on. *What is TLER/CCTL/ERC?* TLER (Time-Limited Error Recovery CCTL (Command Completion Time Limit) ERC (Error Recovery Control) These basically mean the same thing: limit the number of seconds the harddrive spends on trying to recover a weak or bad sector. TLER and the other variants are typically configured to 7 seconds, meaning that if the drive has not managed to recover that sector within 7 seconds, it will give up and forfeit recovery, and return an I/O error to the host instead. The behavior without TLER is that up to 120 seconds (20-60 is more frequent) may pass before a disk gives up recovery. This behavior causes haywire on all Hardware RAID and Windows-based software/onboard/driver RAIDs. The RAID consider typically is configured to consider disks that don't respond in 10 seconds as completely failed; which is bizarre to say the least! This smells like the vendors have some sort of deal causing you to buy HDDs at twice the price just for a simple firmware fix. LOL!! Don't get
Re: OT: Dell disks
On 06/19/2012 12:48 PM, Eric Shubert wrote: On 06/19/2012 06:28 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Hi Mark, On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net mailto:m.jar...@cox.net wrote: I'm considering buying a Dell desktop (Inspiron 620), but a few years ago I was warned off them because Dell did something different to their disks so that you had to buy replacement/additional disks only from Dell. Any chance that it's still true? Unless you have a hardware RAID card, and you are buying a desktop, you should not have enterprise grade drives, but check with Dell Support for the model you are interested in. You are referring to TLER/ERC/CCTL: Hard drive manufacturers are drawing a distinction between desktop grade and enterprise grade drives. The desktop grade drives can take a long time (~2 minutes) to respond when they find an error, which causes most RAID systems to label them as failed and drop them from the array. The solution provided by the manufacturers is for us to purchase the enterprise grade drives, at twice the cost, which report errors promptly enough so that this isn't a problem. This enterprise feature is called TLER, ERC, and CCTL. *The Problem:* There are three problems with this situation: The first is that it flies in the face of the word *Inexpensive* in the acronym *Redundant Arrays of /Inexpensive/ Disks (RAID)* http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/%7Egarth/RAIDpaper/Patterson88.pdf. The second is that when a drive starts to fail, you want to know about it, as Miles Nordin wrote in a long thread http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=119639tstart=0: * Posssible Solutions:* For a while, Western Digital released a program (WDTLER.EXE) that made it possible to enable TLER on desktop grade drives. This no longer works. *Linux:* This message http://marc.info/?l=linux-raidm=128640221813394w=2 implies that it's impossible to tell a drive to cancel its bad read operation: You can set the ERC values of your drives. Then they'll stop processing their internal error recovery procedure after the timeout and continue to react. Without ERC-timeout, the drive tries to correct the error on its own (not reacting on any requests), mdraid assumes an error after a while and tries to rewrite the missing sector (assembled from the other disks). But the drive will still not react to the write request as it is still doing its internal recovery procedure. Now mdraid assumes the disk to be bad and kicks it. There's nothing you can do about this viscious circle except either enabling ERC or using Raid-Edition disk (which have ERC enabled by default). Evidence that using ATA ERC commands don't always work: Both Linux and FreeBSD can use normal desktop drives without TLER, and in fact you *would not even want TLER* in such a case, since *TLER can be dangerous* in some circumstances. Read on. *What is TLER/CCTL/ERC?* TLER (Time-Limited Error Recovery CCTL (Command Completion Time Limit) ERC (Error Recovery Control) These basically mean the same thing: limit the number of seconds the harddrive spends on trying to recover a weak or bad sector. TLER and the other variants are typically configured to 7 seconds, meaning that if the drive has not managed to recover that sector within 7 seconds, it will give up and forfeit recovery, and return an I/O error to the host instead. The behavior without TLER is that up to 120 seconds (20-60 is more frequent) may pass before a disk gives up recovery. This behavior causes haywire on all Hardware RAID and Windows-based software/onboard/driver RAIDs. The RAID consider typically is configured to consider disks that don't respond in 10 seconds as completely failed; which is bizarre to say the least! This smells like the vendors have some sort of deal causing you to buy HDDs at twice the price just for a simple firmware fix. LOL!! Don't get yourself buttraped; read on! *When do i need TLER?* You need TLER-capable disks when using any Hardware RAID or any Windows-based software RAID; bummer if you're on Windows platform! But this also means Hardware RAID on any OS (FreeBSD/Linux) would also need TLER disks; even when configured to run as 'JBOD' array. There may be controllers with different firmware that allow you to set the timeout limit for I/O; but i've not yet heard about specific products, except some LSI 1068E in IR mode; but reputable vendors like Areca (FW1.43) certainly require TLER-enabled disks or they will drop-out like candy whenever you encounter a bad/weak sector that needs longer recovery than 10 seconds. Basically, if you use a RAID platform that DEMANDS the disks to respond within 10 seconds, and will KICK OUT disks that do not respond in time, then you need TLER. *When don't I need TLER?* When using FreeBSD/Linux software RAID on a HBA controller; which is a RAID-less controller. Areca HW RAID running in JBOD mode is still a RAID controller; it controls whether the disks are detached, not the OS. With a true HBA like LSI 1068E (Intel
Re: Suggestions for re-tasking a Dell PowerEdge 2450
I second simply killing it off, unless you need a space heater. I've got a pair of 1850's with p4-based xeon's running esx that are barely suitable for any heavy crunching guests (my minecraft server would regularly kill the box with a big world), so I doubt you'll get much mileage with p3-level gear. I'm in the process of putting to pasture the 1850's in favor of some dell c6100 boxen I picked up off ebay. I see people selling servers like hp dl380g5's on CL for a few hundred bucks that already put that system to shame. You'd save that in power alone likely with a more modern platform, not to mention maybe actually find ram/disks for it that don't cost more than modern equivalents due to scarcity. -mb On 06/14/2012 09:23 AM, Eric Shubert wrote: On 06/13/2012 09:11 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 06/12/2012 04:20 PM, James Dugger wrote: I have inherited a Dell PowerEdge 2450 and want to re-task it somewhere in my network running as a linux server. It was being used two months ago as a VPN server running Windows 2003 Server. Here are the secs: 2 - 866 MHz Pentium Processors Bus 133MHz cache 256 KB 2048 MB ECC SDRAM built in adaptec hardware RAID controller SCSI dual channel backplane - w/1 daughter card installed 4 - 3.5 hot swap drivebays Man, that thing is going to suck LOTS of power and pump out LOTS of heat. If it were me, I'd sell it on craigslist or eBay and use the cash to buy a modern multicore motherboard, memory, and processor in a desktop case. Seriously, for a few hundred bucks you can get a system that sips power comparatively, has many more - and much faster - CPUs, and has as much more more memory. I've given up trying to repurpose machines that old. The cost in power alone over the course of a year makes it smarter to get rid of it. TC +1. Speed of memory/bus is a big consideration for a server. The bus speed on what you have is, well, pathetic. You can buy a new Fusion/Atom board that uses 1066ram for ~$100 that'll run circles around that thing. 8G of ram for one of these can be had for $30-$40. Cooling is a non issue with these, as they consume so little power. I don't know if these would fit the 2U case or not (they're std mini/micro though). Some of these boards have up to 6 SATA6 ports, so software raid (1 or 10) works nicely. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Problems with Ubuntu 12.04 Networking on Latitude D620
Looks like you're not getting actual link - is the link up? sudo mii-tool eth0 should see: eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok Should also see blinky lights on the nic. Do you use a dock with it? They sometimes switch between dock and build-in causing one or the other not to work or link, even sometimes getting stuck, but that's usually a driver/os thing. -mb On 06/14/2012 05:20 PM, Mark Phillips wrote: I installed Ubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Latitude D620. I didn't expect any issues based on googling this laptop and Linux. However, I cannot get Ethernet or wifi to work. lspci shows the correct hardware Ethernet controller; Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigibit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 2) Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) I went into Network Connections and added a Wired connection and gave it a name and selected the MAc address for eth0 (in the drop down list), and selected automatic (DHCP) as the method for iP4 I looked at /etc/network/interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback so I tried adding auto eth0 but no luck. grep -i eth /var/log/syslog gives Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): new Ethernet device (driver:'tg3' ifindex: 2) Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): exported as /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/0 Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): mow managed Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): device state change: unmanaged - unavailable (reason 'managed') [10 2 0 2] Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): bringing up device Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): preparing device Network Manager[2029]: info (eth0): deactivating device (reason 'managed') [2] kernel: [1815.448547] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready kernel: [1815.449321] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready I looked at some forum posts on how to fix this, and the best I found was to edit NetworkManager.conf and set managed=true (it came false out of the box). That did not help. Thanks for any other suggestions you may have! Mark --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Urgent: need to ID some Network Manager icons - STAT!
Tons of things do, old cordless, legacy proprietary wireless mice/keyboard/remote controls, ir-replacements, random bits of pseudo-ethernet devices (sonos audio system comes to mind), bluetooth, and most anything else wireless defacto runs in 2.4ghz, including 99.9% of wireless computers blasting out torrents (literally) of packetized and attuned rf. I won't reiterate a plethora of wireless bits, but 2.4 bites for lack of total non-overlapping channels, it's more or less the cesspool every device defaults to, good, bad, or ugly. I did read somewhere that supposed there was a 3.6ghz spectrum released for general consumption to give more network band, and there's always 5ghz, which is preferred with 802.11a, or 802.11n that can use either band. -mb On 06/12/2012 11:06 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: It's unfortunate that someone deliberately comes up with something like this that adds a lot of junk to a band that's already full of sources of interference. Then there's that 2.4 ghz source you have in your kitchen or office breakroom. I get my internet connection wirelessly via the library across the street. My connection dies whenever I use the microwave. While I'm waiting on my burrito to cook, I can scan for available networks but won't find any. Besides cordless phones, what sources of interference are there to 802.11n networks? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Urgent: need to ID some Network Manager icons - STAT!
Agreed, I see stupid hp devices even in enterprise printers they broadcast adhoc 802.11. Really annoying they make that default, but they treat wifi like bluetooth, and in fact i think it's because of the wifi pan standard being built into things like mice. Go figure, by HP. Only a win7 feature, uses a parasitic virtual device to tap it, and from reviews, it seems unreliable as hell. Bad part is, these show up in enterprise wireless systems like Cisco Wireless Lan Controllers as rogues, can/will attempt to mitigate them via a rf ddos as a policy. It's simply how they deal with security is many installations. Someones gonna buy a wifi mouse and wonder why their mouse never quite works right, probably just go chew on the poor help desk person. Not to mention it's just more interference to deal with in an enterprise wireless system in an already crowded 2.4ghz spectrum. Nothing really wrong with bluetooth, I don't know what they're trying to fix. I'm curious to see what happens if the standard becomes more prevalent. http://www.amazon.com/HP-WiFi-Mouse/dp/B00556O4YC -mb On 06/12/2012 09:48 PM, Stephen wrote: Those are indeed ad hoc hp machines and a number of people don't even know they are even broadcasting. I have noticed it most with hp. And it can be suprusing how far they will reach... On Jun 12, 2012 8:58 PM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net mailto:danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: From: Jim March 1.jim.ma...@gmail.com mailto:1.jim.ma...@gmail.com IF those [active wireless cards] are in fact ad-hoc, that's potentially bad. Cell 02 - Address: 6E:4B:8D:A4:25:B0 Encryption key:off ESSID:HPC4380E Mode:Ad-Hoc Based on what you posted, I'd be inclined to think that some people near the voting machines had their laptops on and had forgotten to turn their wireless cards off, or were too dumb to turn their wireless off, or didn't know they were supposed to turn their wireless off. Remember that people being dumb is far more common than people being malicious. If they were actually doing something they weren't supposed to be doing, they probably would've turned some sort of encryption on, after all -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: IpTables Question
Looks like it's deferring everything sending to another chain, like a sub grouping, where it allows tcp/4643 for management, or moves on with the rest of the main input chain tree for the tcp/80 allows. Object oriented acl's, not unlike object-group's in cisco or most firewall platforms. It's easiest for them to maintain another list of management protocols as a separate chain programatically as that *should* always be present to at least restore usability from a base-build. This is usually some blend of secure administration and usability on a canned vps build. They assume so long as you don't delete that management chain getting frisky, you can get in and click a magic reprovision and make go button to restore new if you screw it up that bad. Anything user-added provision by default not setting the other specific chain just add to the main input chain past that for parsing allows normally. -mb On 06/04/2012 04:59 PM, AZ Pete wrote: Hi All, I'm in the process of setting up a new Virtual Private Server and am using Plesk to configure to firewall (among other things). I have the firewall configured how I want it within Plesk. However, when I SSH into the box and list the firewall rules (using iptables -L -n) I get way more rules than I setup within Plesk. I'm thinking that there must be several rules that were there beforehand as default from the hosting provider. One thing I do notice, however, is that for a given chain (in this case Input chain) the very first rule is: -A INPUT -j VZ_INPUT The INPUT chain looks something like this (as given by iptables -L -n): Chain INPUT (policy DROP) target prot opt source destination VZ_INPUT all -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ACCEPT tcp -- 190.93.240.0/20 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:80 ACCEPT tcp -- 108.162.192.0/18 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:80 blah, blah. Chain VZ_INPUT (1 references) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpt:4643 ... all the rest of the rules I entered in Plesk VZ_INPUT is a user-defined rule that Plesk puts in and that chain has all the rules I entered in the Plesk panel. My question is: if the above VZ_INPUT rule is the very first rule in the INPUT chain, does that mean for all input packets jump to the VZ_INPUT chain and process those rules, thus bypassing all the other inputs? The same sort of layout is also present for the OUTPUT FORWARD chains. Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks, Peter --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: usenet for ubuntu
If you run ubuntu, just install the ppa for the newer versions (dist is usually older) to cut to chase. http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/install-ubuntu-repo Once you have Sab, you can build on it with others. I love using sabsheep on my android to search for things via nzbmatrix and simply add to queue for harvesting with an easy app. Not just media too. -mb On 05/28/2012 11:31 AM, Derek Trotter wrote: I'll have to give these a try. Thanks to you and Michael for bringing them to my attention. On 5/27/2012 20:59, Lisa Kachold wrote: Yea, Howdy: http://wiki.wdlxtv.com/Setup_sabnzbd http://www.ainer.org/sick-beard-install-setup-configuration-guide-for-ubuntu-linux-mint On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Michael Butashmich...@butash.net wrote: Sabnzbd is the best for usenet.  Throw in Sickbeard and couchpotato for the best tv-replacement media experience. -mb On 05/27/2012 04:31 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: One thing I've noticed about the latest kubuntu is that klibido isn't there. What would you recommend as a replacement? Thanks --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: usenet for ubuntu
Sure, should be a ppa for anything *buntu. I'll make a menu item and launch to to a browser on local http to configure the rest. Just upload the nzb files to it from the web ui. There are also browser plugins and such for managing and interacting with sab, as well as android and other phone os flavors. Kinda nice it'll just par/fix, extract, and place in a directory of your choosing. -mb On 05/28/2012 02:40 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: I 've got Kubuntu on the linux installation. Is that good enough? On 5/28/2012 14:37, Michael Butash wrote: If you run ubuntu, just install the ppa for the newer versions (dist is usually older) to cut to chase. http://wiki.sabnzbd.org/install-ubuntu-repo Once you have Sab, you can build on it with others. I love using sabsheep on my android to search for things via nzbmatrix and simply add to queue for harvesting with an easy app. Not just media too. -mb On 05/28/2012 11:31 AM, Derek Trotter wrote: I'll have to give these a try. Thanks to you and Michael for bringing them to my attention. On 5/27/2012 20:59, Lisa Kachold wrote: Yea, Howdy: http://wiki.wdlxtv.com/Setup_sabnzbd http://www.ainer.org/sick-beard-install-setup-configuration-guide-for-ubuntu-linux-mint On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Michael Butashmich...@butash.net wrote: Sabnzbd is the best for usenet.  Throw in Sickbeard and couchpotato for the best tv-replacement media experience. -mb On 05/27/2012 04:31 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: One thing I've noticed about the latest kubuntu is that klibido isn't there. What would you recommend as a replacement? Thanks --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list -PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: usenet for ubuntu
Sabnzbd is the best for usenet. Throw in Sickbeard and couchpotato for the best tv-replacement media experience. -mb On 05/27/2012 04:31 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: One thing I've noticed about the latest kubuntu is that klibido isn't there. What would you recommend as a replacement? Thanks --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Router Recommendations
Try this one: http://homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Routers/Linksys-Refurbished-E4200-MaximumPerformance-Wirelessn-router_stcVVproductId133604734VVcatId543809VVviewprod.htm Can't beat 90 bucks for the refurb cisco/linksys flagship e4200 model. Supposedly its performance is great, and can run ddwrt and tomato. I almost bought a few to play with myself (rather have cash atm), still need to replace my aging cisco 1200's. They have a usb port that can be used with tomato/ddwrt as well as openwrt packages for added functionality. Otherwise, the Asus N16 is about a second best from what I found. -mb On 05/09/2012 12:08 AM, Nathan England wrote: Peter, I purchased a Linksys e2000 from Walmart over a year ago for about 65 bucks and installed dd-wrt on it. It's the best router I've ever had. I only use the wifi for my android phone and tablet, but the gigabit ports rock. It has N capability which I have used on a my laptop a couple of times, just to try, but I'm usually hard wired anyway. It's a great great device. I would like to buy a couple more just to keep around incase it ever fails. It has been running non-stop for almost two years. I love it. Buffalo has a couple that come with dd-wrt pre-installed that I have heard great things about, but never used myself. I wouldn't own a router I couldn't install dd-wrt on. Nathan http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-E2000-Advanced-Wireless-N-Router/dp/B003B20F54 On Tuesday, May 08, 2012 22:48:42 AZ Pete wrote: Hi All, My aging wireless router is starting to act up and it seems that I'll need a new one in short order. My current router is a Linksys wireless G (before they became Cisco) with four 10/100Mb ports. I'm looking for something similar in a wireless N variety with 4 gigabit Ethernet ports. Note: I'm only interested in a router, not a modem/router combo unit. I've actually been very happy with my Linksys. Is Linksys/Cisco still a good brand? Does anyone have any recommendations or experiences they can share on brands and models? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks, Peter -- Regards, Nathan England ~ NME Computer Services http://www.nmecs.com Nathan England (nat...@nmecs.com) Systems Administration / Web Application Development Information Security and Consulting (480) 559.9681 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: wireless stoped working
/var/log/syslog on ubuntu. You'll see network manager reeling usually, or accompanying iwl* (intel) driver messages probably. Could be firmware, could be your router/ap dying too - wouldn't be the first time someone found a cheap one was rebooting itself occasionally with use. Could be interference too, wireless in 2.4ghz space is quite crowded, 5ghz is ideal if supported at both ends. WPA rekey should be seamless, that's just resetting the crypto key on an interval to keep people from cracking your session. -mb On 05/08/2012 08:33 AM, Stephen wrote: /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog i think. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Havensbmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for telling me about the logs. Where are they? As for what I was doing.I was sorking with the other computer and when I came back to the one in questiob the internet wasn't working. Then I noticed the wireless icon not working. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: your logs will give you more insight as to why it stopped talking. also what was going on at the time it stopped? On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Michael Havensbmi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know. it just stopped working. Any pointers on what I can do to fix it? I suppose I'll try the microsoft fix. reboot it! Well that seemed to fix it. But the question remains as to why it did that. Any ideas? That is the second time it has done that. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: ubuntu 12.04 x64 i386 ssl bug
Curious, I had the same experience in futility trying to install :i386 packages for certain software on x64 as well in 12.04, resulting in a quite broken dpkg dependency tree. Glad/sad to know it's not only me. Now I get to watch update manager popups every day telling me how screwed I am with unresolvable errors. Gee thanks, good thing I don't need to install new software or updates, or simply don't dare as often the case anymore. -mb On 05/08/2012 01:00 AM, James Mcphee wrote: Ok, update on this. First, the ppa's are just as broken as everything else. Don't look there for answers. This is an issue with ubuntu's fancy multiarch support and they oopsed it. Second, if you try to build your own wine for i386, it'll want headers. Those headers conflict with the x64 ones. I highly recommend NOT trying to install the i386 packages from a build-dep specifying the i386 wine package like we used to. I have only my mirrors to thank for not ending up with some mutant offspring of a main desktop. This is a goof of pretty significant proportions on the part of Canonical, as almost all of us that run linux on the desktop rely on wine or other i386-only apps to participate in society. I look forward to seeing how quickly this can be fixed. Until then, I repeat my previous advice, if you use wine, or any i386 stuff, and are running x64, stay away from 12.04. Everyone else, it's a great desktop, and cheers. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:13 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote: There have been a few workarounds proposed, some which seem to work in limited ways. Reading down to comment #15 has a good synopsis of the core issue, which is a missing dependency of a dependency for gnome-keyring:i386 called libgcr-3-common:i386. This isn't the only open bug with these packages. If you feel the need to push to 12.04 immediately and still require wine, or other apps compiled to -m32 on an x64 system, I'd be interested in your solutions. As it is, I simply booted to my mirror disk and got back up in 11.10 to play the games I want, and kept at 12.04 on the systems that I don't use such software on I may work up the energy to roll my own wine on a system I've updated to 12.04 later this week and do a basic test, but my recommendation to anyone not interested in digging into the wonderful world of library dependencies is to simply wait for the bug to be fixed. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com mailto:lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: You can easily fix this with: # locate gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so # ln -s $reallocation /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so With x86_64 Ubuntu a symlink will cause other problems. Of course the symlink is only a work around, the real fix is to reinstall: http://www.noobslab.com/2012/04/install-wine-152-on-ubuntu.html On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:30 PM, James Mcphee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so I've been using 12.04 for a bit now, and the main bug that's been hurting has been this: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Which happens when I open something in wine that wants to use said library. Tracked in launchpad bug link here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/885492 If you are a wine user and plan on upgrading, watch that bug or you might get bit like me. -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 tel:%28503%29%20754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 tel:%28623%29%20239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 tel:%28623%29%20688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com mailto:jmc...@gmail.com -- James McPhee jmc...@gmail.com
Re: Need help ripping out an nvidia binary driver installed...
Remove all traces of the nouveau driver and packages prior to installing a blob or things go left. I had an experience getting the nvidia driver to work under 11.10 until i just scoured for clues in the google. -mb On 04/26/2012 05:47 PM, Stephen wrote: sh /path/to/nvidia-1.0-.pkg1.run --uninstall On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, JD Austinj...@twingeckos.com wrote: rmmod will only remove it from memory.. it isn't persistent across reboots. I'm not an ubuntu guy but that's based on debian.. Get the list of packages installed and look for the nvidia one: dpkg --get-selections | grep -i nvidia Then remove it with apt-get : apt-get removepackage name On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 17:15, Jim March1.jim.ma...@gmail.com wrote: ...from an Nvidia .run file. I'm on ubuntu 12.04 and the Nvidia 295.40 driver is a travesty in 64bit. So I got ahold of nvidia's 295.33 driver, killed X and installed it via Nvidia's command-line installer. Big mistake. Fried the hell out of amy graphical use whatsoever. Can't even get Nouveau to start. I think I need to yank out what Nvidia's installer did. I did an rmmod nvidia - no joy. Help? Typing this on my cellphone...sigh. Jim --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu 12.04 and unity.
Sadly enough, no. Somewhere around 8.04 days things started getting usable/stable with dual-display ala twinview, but true multi-monitor support has never been right with vendors or fully with linux either. I've been hacking around it for a good 6 years now as a full-time linux user. Nvidia still cannot do more than 3 displays (windoze-only too, meh), and ATI finally did about 3 years ago with the Eyefinity6 cards. They're caveat-ridden to begin with for driver support, but linux direct-rendering (compiz) cannot help but always render either my nvidia setup or ati's eventually to a death-spiral. Any games like minecraft make it much worse, and accelerates its death. Prior to the 6, i had 2x in twinview, then 4 displays (2x2 twinview's on 2 nvidia cards) so I've seen ever iteration of bug with multi-monitor. Only once simply disabling compiz did I get a stable desktop, but I always missed the glitz of it from my work laptop. Without compiz, my longest stretch was I think 8 months of uptime, on a desktop that I work at daily and nightly. Compiz is definitely a problem, but I've no idea what ill effect it has on the fglrx driver over time, or how to even adequately relate data to show it. My choices are mostly live without compiz (glitzy desktop) or spend another 350 bucks for the generation up from mine that can do all 6 in one. Compiz has been fairly problematic since inception with linux drivers, I simply see no reason to believe it'll ever be fixed at this point. To be fair, I have heard that xorg and prior x11 have enough limitations in architecture that it's coming time to simply abandon vs. fix. Wayland seems to be the bet, I just hope they invest some effort to make multi-monitor displays work right when it comes time. -mb On 04/12/2012 06:43 PM, Derek Trotter wrote: Multiple displays have been available for well over 10 years now. I would think the OS makers would have them figured out by now. I guess that's what I get for thinking. On 4/12/2012 15:45, Michael Butash wrote: Precise 12.04 now, 64bit. It's not so much about installing 1 or 10, it's about not a one of the next-gen desktops has been ever tested with more than one framebuffer or very large ones it seems. I'm pretty sure the problems are not apparent in a *simple* dual monitor, single framebuffer config (i.e. nvidia twinview), but rather when you have DISPLAY:0.0 and DISPLAY:0.1 to the system. Compiz and the ATI drivers I'm reasonably sure is the root of all evil, and 5760x1200 x2 displays. Unity with 12.04, and the unity plugin itself can somewhat deal with multiple framebuffers now, but nautilus still causes this lovely white screen effect on my second monitor set when launched. Gnome-Shell just freezes when logging in, getting a wallpaper, but nothing more before having to flip tty's and restart lightdm. Cinnamon's task bars won't render at all. Kde was so-so, but most apps had issues with the displays between the giant render modes. Cinnamon's half-broken state is more or less what I use, overlaying awn and cairo to make it usable, but when I get a chance I've been meaning to put lxde on there to see how it fares. I really hoped when they announced on canonical's blog a good 6 months or more ago now they'd finally bought their dev a 6-head display to test with maybe things would finally get better, but apparently not. I'd love what and how they're actually testing with it as I'm still only sorta working here, and only because I have worked around everything that defaults to simply broken. Sadly I'd tried win7 for the first time on a native dual-head display with separate framebuffers the other day, and had a bunch of quirky issues with mremote and some others dragging between displays. Guess Linux isn't the only one not getting it, but at least I didn't have to pay 200 bucks for the priviledge of debugging the os for the vendor. -mb On 04/12/2012 10:00 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: MichaelB, what release are you running? I've installed something like 8 Desktop Managers (DMs) on my ubuntu 11.10. I did this for a presentation I did on installing additional DMs. The problems I've seen are a few extra programs installed for the lightweight DMs, I now get the xubuntu splash at some time in startup and shutdown regardless of which DM I actually use, and some of the DMs don't play well with older projectors. Cinnamon works great. This thread is really about 12.04 and I have not tried these things on 12.04. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: I wish that were the case for me - gnome3 won't even launch with multiple framebuffers requiring me to drop to a tty and restart lightdm to choose something else. Cinnamon is broken on the same display as well. Sadly with the new desktops, unity works the best, which isn't saying much in the least. It's like 2005 all over again, hacking entirely around ui short-sightedness. At this point
Re: Ubuntu 12.04 and unity.
I wish that were the case for me - gnome3 won't even launch with multiple framebuffers requiring me to drop to a tty and restart lightdm to choose something else. Cinnamon is broken on the same display as well. Sadly with the new desktops, unity works the best, which isn't saying much in the least. It's like 2005 all over again, hacking entirely around ui short-sightedness. At this point the only thing gnome-ish left I can use is gedit and gnome-terminal, even nautilus is still broken on multiple displays. Other than that, avant-window-navigator and cairo-dock provide all my task and tray management. -mb On 04/11/2012 09:56 PM, Stephen wrote: Well while i may hate unity, getting gnome2/3 working is a cakewalk now. install the one you want. logout and pick the one you want. you do end up wasting space with unity still installed, but at least it works. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Ubuntu 12.04 and unity.
Precise 12.04 now, 64bit. It's not so much about installing 1 or 10, it's about not a one of the next-gen desktops has been ever tested with more than one framebuffer or very large ones it seems. I'm pretty sure the problems are not apparent in a *simple* dual monitor, single framebuffer config (i.e. nvidia twinview), but rather when you have DISPLAY:0.0 and DISPLAY:0.1 to the system. Compiz and the ATI drivers I'm reasonably sure is the root of all evil, and 5760x1200 x2 displays. Unity with 12.04, and the unity plugin itself can somewhat deal with multiple framebuffers now, but nautilus still causes this lovely white screen effect on my second monitor set when launched. Gnome-Shell just freezes when logging in, getting a wallpaper, but nothing more before having to flip tty's and restart lightdm. Cinnamon's task bars won't render at all. Kde was so-so, but most apps had issues with the displays between the giant render modes. Cinnamon's half-broken state is more or less what I use, overlaying awn and cairo to make it usable, but when I get a chance I've been meaning to put lxde on there to see how it fares. I really hoped when they announced on canonical's blog a good 6 months or more ago now they'd finally bought their dev a 6-head display to test with maybe things would finally get better, but apparently not. I'd love what and how they're actually testing with it as I'm still only sorta working here, and only because I have worked around everything that defaults to simply broken. Sadly I'd tried win7 for the first time on a native dual-head display with separate framebuffers the other day, and had a bunch of quirky issues with mremote and some others dragging between displays. Guess Linux isn't the only one not getting it, but at least I didn't have to pay 200 bucks for the priviledge of debugging the os for the vendor. -mb On 04/12/2012 10:00 AM, Dazed_75 wrote: MichaelB, what release are you running? I've installed something like 8 Desktop Managers (DMs) on my ubuntu 11.10. I did this for a presentation I did on installing additional DMs. The problems I've seen are a few extra programs installed for the lightweight DMs, I now get the xubuntu splash at some time in startup and shutdown regardless of which DM I actually use, and some of the DMs don't play well with older projectors. Cinnamon works great. This thread is really about 12.04 and I have not tried these things on 12.04. On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: I wish that were the case for me - gnome3 won't even launch with multiple framebuffers requiring me to drop to a tty and restart lightdm to choose something else. Cinnamon is broken on the same display as well. Sadly with the new desktops, unity works the best, which isn't saying much in the least. It's like 2005 all over again, hacking entirely around ui short-sightedness. At this point the only thing gnome-ish left I can use is gedit and gnome-terminal, even nautilus is still broken on multiple displays. Other than that, avant-window-navigator and cairo-dock provide all my task and tray management. -mb On 04/11/2012 09:56 PM, Stephen wrote: Well while i may hate unity, getting gnome2/3 working is a cakewalk now. install the one you want. logout and pick the one you want. you do end up wasting space with unity still installed, but at least it works. --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient list and message body. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux Administrators
Cool work there probably yes, but well run I wouldn't say. They have a long standing history of internal conflict, turning over entire groups, and just plain nasty politics that stems from down deep. That said they have plenty of budget in a too big to fail sort of way. I'd inquire why so many people have quit there over the past 6 months, and unfortunately it's not the dead weight they carry leaving in mass. Word to the wise - stay contract or make it worth your sanity. :) No soapbox or nastiness here, just keeping expectations real as someone that had more than minor dealing with them for a good while, and out of respect for those here. -mb On 04/10/2012 08:06 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: A few positions are open at ApolloGroup/University of Phoenix for Linux Administrators. This is a great well run technically managed shop with lots of diversity, blinky lights and engrossing linux work! Contact: Tim Berti Apollo Group | Talent Acquisition 4035 S. Riverpoint Parkway | Phoenix, AZ 85040 phone: 408.600.1244 tel:408.600.1244 | email: _tim.be...@apollogrp.edu mailto:l...@apollogrp.edu_ -- (503) 754-4452 tel:%28503%29%20754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 tel:%28623%29%20239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 tel:%28623%29%20688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com http://it-clowns.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Drop Box - is it secure?
Check out sugarsync... some pretense at least of security there at least. https://www.sugarsync.com/ Aside from that, I'm sure the others would hand it over in a nice formatted and unmolested disk image for them to pour over like facebook does. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/heres-what-facebook-sends-the-cops-in-response-to-a-subpoena/11528 I've seen how-to's for using truecrypt or luks disk image within a cloud folder, but I'm not so sure that's really a good idea either when you're talking about deltas of a binary disk image + encryption for usable performance. Seems like it'd suck, or suck up all usable bandwidth between you and them on a regular basis. I'm contemplating sugarsync (linux/android support too), but I still don't trust them fully with my _raw_ data, especially not a homedir I rsync normally local between 3 systems. With all my work/customer data, enterprises a lot less forgiving will come hunting the day someone merely asks for it with or without warrant. Laws are fishy like that these days, let alone the folks that will just take it anyways with no one apparently the wiser. -mb On 04/09/2012 08:37 PM, keith smith wrote: Thank you to everyone who replied. Worse than I thought. Keith Smith --- On *Mon, 4/9/12, Stephen /cryptwo...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Drop Box - is it secure? To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 1:43 PM you have 2 options, encrypt it before you share it. use pgp for example. or not to use it. To be fair it is a 3rd party company and it is their business to be trustworthy. but it really depends on how trusting you are of a 3rd party company. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com /mc/compose?to=klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Someone wants me to share some confidential information by uploading documents to his Drop Box account. My gut tells me this is not a secure was to transfer confidential information. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us /mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us /mc/compose?to=PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: change home directory name
In theory just chmod -r bmike2:bmike2 /home/bmike1 and mv /home/bmike1/* /home/bmike2/. Might need to do so for mv /home/bmike1/.* /home/bmike2/ as well for hidden directories. You're working without a net (or space to make a backup copy), so make real damn sure you note where you are and where you're moving files to. Fully qualify the paths to be sure as you work. -mb On 04/02/2012 11:57 PM, Michael Havens wrote: lovely. because it ran out of space my old user can't log in to the gui. I try logging in to a terminal as new user and it says: root@Michaels-PC:~# su bmike2 To run a command as administrator (user root), use sudo command. See man sudo_root for details. bash: bmike2/.bashrc: Permission denied bmike2@Michaels-PC:/root$ I just looked at /home and it seems that what happened is it changed the user name and barfed when it was coopying the files and so it left me with the new user name and the old directory. So please. how do I associate the new user name with the old directory? Would I still use usermod . Well, I figured I didn't have anything to lose by trying it and I found out that didn't work. Because the user was changed while the previous command was in process user bmike1 doesn't exist I bet I know what's going on!everything is owned by user bmike1 (who doesn't exist anymore) so when bmike2 tried to access .bashrc it said 'nope'. So I think I figured out the problem! (this is exciting)(I'll be a regular computer wizard soon!) If what I think is the problem is is correct the solution would be 'find -r /home/bmike1 * | chown bmike2'. Would this work? Are there programs not owned by the user in it's directory? What about them (if there are)? On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I guess I don't really need to change the directory's name. So I suppose just 'usermod -l newuser old user' On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Add some? :) Actually it sounds like it's copying, then deleting (safe) vs. moving, so if you're short diskspace, you'll need to just move it, change your /etc/passwd and group file for the user/uid, and chown -r the directory to the new username/uid. Matrix's method presumes you have temp disk space, but looks like you're doing it the hard way manipulating ownerships and such from root user. -mb On 04/02/2012 02:09 PM, Michael Havens wrote: hm. It just ran out of disk space. Any suggestions on what I can do about that? On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: thanks for explainig the rationale of putting the old user name last. On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Matrix Mole matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com wrote: If the account you are trying to change is your current account, it may be easier to login as root to make the changes (just to prevent any existing programs in memory trying to use the old username/directory). I'd also use the command as follows: usermod -l newuser -md newuser olduser since an existing username needs to be at the end (so the command knows what user account to modify). On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I'll use usermod then. Thanks for letting me know about it. so I think this is the proper syntax. Will this work? sudo usermod -l olduser newuser -dm newuser On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Matrix Mole matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com wrote: If you are changing your username, there is flags to the usermod command that can help change the home directory. The -d flag to usermod will update /etc/passwd with the users home directory, and the -m flag will move the old directory to the new name. I'm pretty sure that usermod will also take care of the ownership issues as well
Re: change home directory name
Add some? :)
Actually it sounds like it's copying, then deleting (safe) vs.
moving, so if you're short diskspace, you'll need to just move it,
change your /etc/passwd and group file for the user/uid, and chown -r
the directory to the new username/uid.
Matrix's method presumes you have temp disk space, but looks like you're
doing it the hard way manipulating ownerships and such from root user.
-mb
On 04/02/2012 02:09 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
hm. It just ran out of disk space. Any suggestions on what I can do
about that?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
thanks for explainig the rationale of putting the old user name last.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Matrix Mole matr...@gmail.com
mailto:matr...@gmail.com wrote:
If the account you are trying to change is your current account,
it may be easier to login as root to make the changes (just to
prevent any existing programs in memory trying to use the old
username/directory). I'd also use the command as follows:
usermod -l newuser -md newuser olduser
since an existing username needs to be at the end (so the
command knows what user account to modify).
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com
mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll use usermod then. Thanks for letting me know about it.
so I think this is the proper syntax. Will this work?
sudo usermod -l olduser newuser -dm newuser
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Matrix Mole
matr...@gmail.com mailto:matr...@gmail.com wrote:
If you are changing your username, there is flags to the
usermod command that can help change the home directory.
The -d flag to usermod will update /etc/passwd with the
users home directory, and the -m flag will move the old
directory to the new name. I'm pretty sure that usermod
will also take care of the ownership issues as well.
Check 'man usermod' for more details on this. If you
don't use the usermod command, then there is also the
ownership issue to consider with changing home
directory. The chown command can help make sure the
directory is owned by the correct user with 'chown -R
{username} [homedir]' command.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Michael Havens
bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks. Is that the only thing I have to worry about?
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Patricia Wilson
wilson.pr...@gmail.com
mailto:wilson.pr...@gmail.com wrote:
Note that your home directory name appears in
the /etc/passwd file so the system knows where
you live when you login. If you change the
name of that directory you need to change your
entry in the passwd file to match.
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Michael Havens
bmi...@gmail.com mailto:bmi...@gmail.com wrote:
How would I accomplish this? Is it as easy
as just moving the old name to the new name;
or should I do a 'find -r / old
directory|mv - newdirectory'?
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Dell linux laptops
Guess Dell is still selling Ubuntu laptops, though finding them on their site tends to be a challenge. $431 on sale - not bad for a portable little 13.3 box with ubuntu 11.04 installed. Not exactly a powerhouse, but what do you want for 430 bucks new? http://bensbargains.net/redirect/vostro-v131-2nd-gen-core-i3-ubuntu-13-3-laptop-431-at-dell-business-247791/ -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Dell linux laptops
Yeah, you avoid unity then (or can). :) Just the fact that they have it working means whatever linux will probably still run across the vostro line whether it ships with or not. Post circa 2008 I don't think they bother with separate hardware packages, rather just push support upstream into source, or build the bios support not to suck (ahem, wish hp would do as they do) so should be good to go. My wife runs an i3 on her system, plenty good for most things I think, though the 2gb of ram is a bit sparse. You can guy 8gb of ram for 20 bucks these days. -mb On 03/29/2012 07:34 PM, Stephen wrote: An actual i3 is pretty good that's a nice price too. And o like that its 11.04 not 12.xx On Mar 29, 2012 6:45 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Guess Dell is still selling Ubuntu laptops, though finding them on their site tends to be a challenge. $431 on sale - not bad for a portable little 13.3 box with ubuntu 11.04 installed. Not exactly a powerhouse, but what do you want for 430 bucks new? http://bensbargains.net/__redirect/vostro-v131-2nd-gen-__core-i3-ubuntu-13-3-laptop-__431-at-dell-business-247791/ http://bensbargains.net/redirect/vostro-v131-2nd-gen-core-i3-ubuntu-13-3-laptop-431-at-dell-business-247791/ -mb --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Going from Centos 6 to Ubuntu Server
Well, most people don't bother or even know why they would unless jockying servers. Most will just pop in _one_ hard disk, install linux, and call it a day celebrating the imminent death of windoze. Until it fails, they scratch their head, cry, and get another _one_, not understanding two redundant disks are just a possibly easy to setup/use and would have saved the hassle. I've been playing with raids since the 90's where slowaris taught me partitioning strategies. I forced myself to learn/use software raid once linux became viable for me full-time with ubuntu. Once I found the Ubuntu Alt cd circa 6.06 had recipies for raid/lvm already, it was a no-brainer. I use the alt disk exclusively for desktop to layer file systems, mostly because I : 1) need redundancy (md), 2) need crypto (luks, work laptop roams with me, or not), and 3) need versatility (lvm, partitioning extends for those wow, win7 is really a pig wanting 25g for a silly vm, good thing I left free space on the vg! moments). You have to use that really ugly and scary ncurses menu on Alt installs, but after dozens of installs I can fly with it much more efficiently than the full desktop, with way more rich disk features. I'm surprised more linux users don't pay their desktops respect they would a server with raid. It's almost as painful to toss a disk without redundancy in a desktop as it is a production server, in may ways more. MDadm has been more of a pain in recent years, but all in all it's saved me at least 3 times on personal systems over the years from a total loss, even though recovery isn't always so straight forward. Time well spent to learn - good subject for a hackfest. -mb On 03/26/2012 11:45 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: Wow! This is the first I've seen here that ANYONE is using a seperate /boot partition. I've been using one since about 2.2 kernels. I started out using 50Mb but, with Ubuntu and GRUB 2.0 it needs around 300Mb to 500Mb. A Fedora 15 install didn't complain using a little as 150Mb. The minimum is for my Windows ntldr which requires only 50Mb. I've never needed LVMs or software raids for my desktop. As I understand it, they are not involved during boot, but are a requirement to access the newer GRUB config scripts in Ubuntu. Use a live boot disc, as Stephen says, to be sure they are accessable. Most of my (single-user) boxes have three to seven OSes to boot from. All within a less than 100Gb hard drive. I'm using Grub Legacy. If your Centos server is a large system, you may rather try this on a seperate hardware test machine, for safety. I've seen trouble from the Ubuntu GRUB scripts. Specifically, their os_prober has problems identifying other bootable kernels and systems when generating the new Ubuntu boot menu. Another problem is that Ubuntu is capable of GPT or MBR hard drives. MBR is the classic Master Boot Record. GPT is newer, larger, and demands specific hardware abilities. I've seen Win 7 using GPT, so caveat emptor. (-: Chas.M. :-) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:11:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Going from Centos 6 to Ubuntu Server From: nadimho...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Well with my setup I do have the boot partition separate from the LVM and the raid is pure software as far as I know. I was just asking if it was safe to do so. Unfortunately the boot partition is a bit on the smaller size at 100mb so I can easily fit around 2 kernels. I guess the other reason I am thinking to switch is because with Ubuntu, they have a predictable release schedule and with 12.04 LTS around the corner, I can get a server OS that is stable and up to date. I know I can compile from source all of the packages I have, like the the kernel and the software for the LAMP stack that I am also running. I also like the fact for the Ubuntu implementation of Samba; I can use the the system username and password instead of first creating a user on the system and again as a samba user. Other than that I do like Centos right now. Thanks for your help. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote: Should be able to - depends how you're partitioned. I'm assuming your raid0 is done with mdadm and not fake-raid based. As long as your boot partition (non-lvm) is large enough to support enough kernels, you should be able to install over the system lv's you don't want, and not touch the ones that you do. Probably just create new lv's assuming you have the space for new root, usr, var, whatever you want. I usually create home without a separate partition, leaving alone the existing home, and simply mount the /home lv after reinstall just in case. Note I've had some weirdness with ubuntu/mdadm depending what version mdadm metadata it was built with. In 11.04 I had to build md's specifically to use 0.90 metadata
Re: Considering a new laptop
Same with Dell, they employ guys like Mario Limonciello supporting their hardware that does a lot of compatibility testing and pushes fixes internally with dell for bios and other vendor-supported features. I'd do quick compat checks before buy, but Dell is usually a pretty safe option for linux support I find. I'd gone with a HP Elitebook for pure power (and 4 dimm slots for cheap 16gb ram) and other than raw performance, it's been an disaster for linux support. ACPI and bios disk functions are broken at best, and they will never fix them because their userbase is too small. How about just making hardware that doesn't suck? Perfect example of a vendor parasite around linux - happy to use it to sell servers, but nothing else. -mb On 03/27/2012 07:01 AM, Stephen wrote: Good machines that tend to work if not support Linux is sager notebooks. On Mar 27, 2012 6:35 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com mailto:kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com mailto:kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I would stay away from System76. Bad BAD (and costly) experience... ET PS: YMMV... Stephen writes: The other option is a vendor like system76 they have a good bang for buck value. Or maybe red 7. But the instant you add discrete graphics your battery life goes way down. Also the dell latitudes support linux quite well. Just not in an official sense. On Mar 27, 2012 12:46 AM, Phillip Waclawski waclaw...@mesacc.edu mailto:waclaw...@mesacc.edu wrote: I have one of the Dell Ubuntu Laptops from about 6 years ago (yes, they did sell 1420n inspirons with linux pre-installed :). It still works, but the Intel Graphics card doesn't support Opengl very well, so that makes Blender, openshot and other programs on linux a pain, and things like wacraft literally impossible. So, I've been thinking about http://zareason.com/shop/__Strata-6770.html http://zareason.com/shop/Strata-6770.html decked out to the point I want is about $1400, but the 6 cell battery with maybe 3 hours of battery life...ugh http://zareason.com/shop/__Verix-2.5.html http://zareason.com/shop/Verix-2.5.htmlwith a few upgrades goes to $2300 or so, everything I could want, but nearly $900 more. I know you pay a bit of a premium going with a non top tier vendor that supports linux, but I've heard good things about them, and enjoyed their talk on RetroGnome at SCALE X. What do folks think? And what other laptop vendors that support Linux (with good NVidia graphics cards in them, I won't do Intel graphics ever again). Thanks Phil Waclawski --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --__- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.__us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__discuss http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Going from Centos 6 to Ubuntu Server
Should be able to - depends how you're partitioned. I'm assuming your raid0 is done with mdadm and not fake-raid based. As long as your boot partition (non-lvm) is large enough to support enough kernels, you should be able to install over the system lv's you don't want, and not touch the ones that you do. Probably just create new lv's assuming you have the space for new root, usr, var, whatever you want. I usually create home without a separate partition, leaving alone the existing home, and simply mount the /home lv after reinstall just in case. Note I've had some weirdness with ubuntu/mdadm depending what version mdadm metadata it was built with. In 11.04 I had to build md's specifically to use 0.90 metadata to work fully (i.e. reboot without having to busybox assemble md manually), 11.10 and higher I had to build the raid specifically with the current version (default) to work. I layered luks/lvm/ext4 atop this too, never did figure out exactly which was borking it, but the metadata was the trick for me. It also could have been related to my ssd alignment partitioning that always gave me grief with low-level fs. -mb On 03/21/2012 03:19 PM, Stephen wrote: if it boots up and sees the LVM then you should be able to customer partition and configure without reformatting. you can look and see a fair amount without even writing changes to the disk. However i would still make a backup. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Nadim Hoquenadimho...@gmail.com wrote: I currently have Centos 6 installed with software raid 0 with LVM. I was wondering if it is possible to install Ubuntu server 10.04 with those settings without data loss and that the current raid/lvm will stay in tact. So far in my experience I should be able to do this, but I just wanted your input on the matter. I might switch to ubuntu server for the vast number of packages in the default repos and when I used it before I really liked it (I love how the default repos have what I want, and ufw is nice as well). -- Nadim Hoque Undergraduate Intern ASU Advanced Computing Center Cell: 480-518-6235 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: How Yahoo Weaponized My Work - Software Patents
I thought this was an interesting article today about the yahoo trolling now: http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/14/yammer-ceo-says-he-wont-hire-anyone-from-yahoo-who-doesnt-quit-in-next-60-days/ As I see it, Yahoo has made themselves irrelevant today, letting any social aspect of it fall stale or disrepair to wither on the vine. I was floored to hear the CEO left PayPal for Yahoo, because really, what is yahoo ever going to amount to again with or without him? Hearing he got paid 27mil makes sense, as it would take nothing but purely gross amounts of cash would make me do it. Seems like a death knell to his career so, maybe he was planning his retirement. The fact that Scott couldn't find any better way to bleed cash from a rock than patent trolling the modern upstarts says blatantly they have no more tricks up their sleeves. Now they've kicked off a patent war amongst their own inner circle of dotcom'ers, more or less like mobsters ratting each other out in the most distasteful of ways. While I take pleasure in seeing facebook attacked, I find patent trolling about the worst thing that businesses can do toward one another. All made possibly by a horribly inept government system that has outlived its usefulness too. I really can't say who I want to lose more here, but as a whole, internet businesses lose a lot more due to this pettiness. Just roll over and die already instead, your time is behind you Yahoo. -mb On 03/15/2012 11:57 AM, Derek Trotter wrote: I agree with what you said about yahoo. I don't like the idea of people being able to patent a concept. Let people have rights to software they write, but not the idea itself. If the software patent idea had come out a few years earlier, someone could have gotten a patent for encoding digital audio in a compressed form. This would have been a headache for the people who developed mp3 and the other formats that have come after it. On 3/15/2012 9:17, Michael Butash wrote: I was chatting with folks at PayPal when they told me their CEO Scott Thompson was poached by yahoo to be the next inline to try and resurrect them to relevancy. I found that odd until I heard he got 27mil to do it. I'd probably even sell my soul to microsoft for that. I'd wondered just what he would try, as it seems pretty dismal for yahoo these days (but hey, even lycos is still around!). Pretty sad that patent trolling is the best he could come up with, indicating it'll be yet another revolving door CEO position there if he fails, or worse, he's successful as little more than a parasite on the industry already plagued with them. That's a hell of a legacy from made paypal big and strong. Way to innovate there buddy. Though I dislike Facebook, I almost hope they win just to force yahoo die off once and for all. -mb On 03/15/2012 07:51 AM, keith smith wrote: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/03/opinion-baio-yahoo-patent-lie/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29 http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/03/opinion-baio-yahoo-patent-lie/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29 Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: *nix commands on windows
Cygwin won't give you ifconfig or ip tools (didn't years back at least), it'll still be ipconfig /all Look at the subnet mask there, should be 255.255.255.0. If they're all on the same switch/router, than they're in the same subnet. Can they ping each other's addresses? layer 3 is good Telnet to each other on port 445 telnet 192.168.0.x 445 layer 4 is good From windoze, start-run- type \\192.168.0.x\ and see if you can see shares. Try more specifically if you know the share name. If you want to test from linux back install smbfs packages (specifically for cifs) and mount as: mkdir /tmp/cifs mount -t cifs -o defaults,username=myuser //192.168.0.x/share_name /tmp/cifs Layer 5 and up should be good if you can do the last, otherwise figure out where in between the problem lies. Try in both directions too. It's more than likely with samba config, not the network. Though I'm not at all sure what that 5.5.6.1 address was you were looking at... -mb On 03/14/2012 05:10 PM, Michael Havens wrote: well, I figured I would d/l something so if you tell me how to do something in *nix I wouldn't have to ask you how to do it in windows. So I googled it and found 'cygwin'. so I install it and the first command I type in I am DENIED! File not found it says. So what is the best unix emulator for windows? 'ip addr show' is the command that wasn't found. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: *nix commands on windows
Agreed, I use it when I'm stuck using a corporate mandated windoze laptop or servers for win-only apps. I've found it quite helpful in that circumstance, even to the point I'd keep it on a default win server image I deploy out via template. That was about the time I switched to linux full-time and never looked back. -mb On 03/14/2012 06:35 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I personally support Cygwin and (to a point) like it, but I don't ever use it unless I have NO OTHER POSSIBLE OPTION whatsoever... For example, for some reason my Linux box quit connecting to my daytime job VPN and I installed a SSH server using Cygwin so I can create a reverse tunnel and access the AIX server and Linux boxes I actually do stuff with. ET Michael Butash writes: Cygwin won't give you ifconfig or ip tools (didn't years back at least), it'll still be ipconfig /all Look at the subnet mask there, should be 255.255.255.0. If they're all on the same switch/router, than they're in the same subnet. Can they ping each other's addresses? layer 3 is good Telnet to each other on port 445 telnet 192.168.0.x 445 layer 4 is good From windoze, start-run- type \\192.168.0.x\ and see if you can see shares. Try more specifically if you know the share name. If you want to test from linux back install smbfs packages (specifically for cifs) and mount as: mkdir /tmp/cifs mount -t cifs -o defaults,username=myuser //192.168.0.x/share_name /tmp/cifs Layer 5 and up should be good if you can do the last, otherwise figure out where in between the problem lies. Try in both directions too. It's more than likely with samba config, not the network. Though I'm not at all sure what that 5.5.6.1 address was you were looking at... -mb On 03/14/2012 05:10 PM, Michael Havens wrote: well, I figured I would d/l something so if you tell me how to do something in *nix I wouldn't have to ask you how to do it in windows. So I googled it and found 'cygwin'. so I install it and the first command I type in I am DENIED! File not found it says. So what is the best unix emulator for windows? 'ip addr show' is the command that wasn't found. -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cups issues
That would be yes, sorry for the late response. Distro-based dpkg.
It could be something that their 32bit drivers aren't finding the 64bit
counterparts - I've run into that a lot unfortunately with games and
such not native to a dist, but I've not seen log or any stdout that
complains. If I can figure out the flow of executables I'll ldd some of
their bins to see what shows incomplete.
I hate foreign proprietary blobs of crap like this from vendors for a
reason.
-mb
On 03/08/2012 11:08 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Sorry for top post but do you have 64 bit ghostscript?
On 8 Mar 2012 10:40, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net
mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote:
Thanks everyone.
Using 12.04 64bit
Found/installed the .deb drivers already, no joy
Brother cupswrapper drivers are installed prior to anything added,
dpkg shows them as happy with ii
Removed/deleted/tried numerous different things, no joy
Found some issues with 32b libs in 11.10, did the same fix here
(copy /usr/lib/* brother libs to lib32)
Doesn't show any errors or anything and works normally other than
the blanks
I've checked cups access/error, syslog, etc with no errors to be had
- it thinks everything is dandy. Only thing I see is periodic
discovery errors once a day.
Odd part was when adding the printer in cups, it found it with mdns,
but there were 4 instances of it found. I've tried each, thinking
maybe it's some iteration of port/driver/etc, but they've all worked
the same, thinking it's a disconnect from cups to the apps.
I've never NOT been able to print by default without any drivers
when I've tried, it's the first time I've had to deal with vendor
drivers so no idea what to expect with cups. With no logs or
anything showing anything wrong, I'm a bit up a creek as I'm not
familiar enough with cups to start systracing it or the apps printer
functions. I need to find some docs how exactly cups works - it's
never been a very interesting point of research for me before. :)
-mb
On 03/08/2012 05:52 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Hi Michael,
Which Ubuntu distro do you have?
0) Kernel: It seems that Ubuntu 11.10 has multiple printing
issues -
compared to 11.04 (a serious loss of QA from Canonical folks).
When
did you last update?
http://ubuntuforums.org/__showthread.php?t=1862413page=__2
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862413page=2
http://ubuntuforums.org/__showthread.php?t=1862413page=__2
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862413page=2
Go to Applications - Accessories - Terminal
sudo dpkg --configure -a
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
TEST your driver now! If works - Dance!
1) Are you using 64 bit? Printer drivers for Ubuntu from
Brother are
32bit only.
sudo uname -a
2) Verify your driver:
sudo dpkg -l | grep Brother
Note that if one or both lines start with “iF” instead of “ii”
then this
appears to signify the installation failed to complete correctly.
Remove the installation completely by editing (AFTER BACKING UP ALL
FILES to be able to roll back after):
1. In System, Administration, Printers, delete the printer in
question.
You might also need to browse to http://localhost:631 and delete
it in
the CUPS printer list if it shows up there.
2. Go into a terminal, then gksudo nautilus
which will open Nautilus with root permissions.
3. Use nautilus to go to folder /var/lib/dpkg/info
Find all of the files that are named with your printer
concatenated with
cupswrapper ${printername}cupswrapper... and delete them.
sudo grep $printername *
del $filename
4. Go back a level to folder /var/lib/dpkg and open the file called
status in gEdit. Do a File Save As and called it
status.backup. Close,
and re-open the file status (not the backup copy). Search for
$printername. You should find a paragraph starting with the words
Package: $printernamecupswrapper Delete that section and save
the file.
5. Now repeat the process outlined in step 4, but with the file
called
available.
You should now be able to go to a terminal and run sudo dpkg
--configure
-a without any errors.
Go to Brother and get the correct printer driver:
http://welcome.solutions.__brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/__linux/en/index.html
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
Reference:
http://ubuntuforums.org/__archive/index.php/t-1653917.__html
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1653917.html
Remember to restart cups
Re: private networks
Look up rfc1918, it details the private networks. Three major classes of private ipv4 as Kevin listed. In large networks, you will tend to see all 3 uses, typically with physical or security differences in them. They usually only touch in internal network peering relationships with a routing protocol. Don't mix and match lightly (or do, but look up gns3 first), and learn CIDR subnet/supernet masking. Don't go by class a/b/c/d anymore, it's all cidr now, and with ipv6 it only gets worse. -mb On 03/08/2012 10:46 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: Mike, Just for your information, there is also a third lesser known range 172.[16-31].x.y Each of the three ranges are available for private use, and are illegal on the Internet. Which you use is completely up to you and is generally based upon your own individual needs. If you take the first part of any address, and represent it in binary, it will tell you the address class. 0 - Class A address 10... - Class B address 110.. - Class C address 1110. - Class D address 0 - Class E address 10 - 1010 - Class A - Default mask is 255.0.0.0 - CIDR /8 172 - 1010 1100 - Class B - Default mask is 255.255.0.0 - CIDR /16 192 - 1100 - Class C - Default mask is 255.255.255.0 - CIDR /24 Class D was reserved for multi-cast addresses. Most of these you will see in the 224.x.y.z range 224 - 1110 - Class D - Default mask is 255.255.255.255 - CIDR /32 Class E was reserved, but never used, and never will be now that IPv6 is here. Using a class A address reserves 8 bits for the network address (i.e. 10) and 24 bits for the hosts, which leaves you with 2^24 or 16,777,216 hosts - 2 (network broadcast, and network addresses) Using a class B address reserves 16 bits for the network (i.e. 172.16) and 16 bits for the hosts, which leaves you with 2^16 or 8,65,536 hosts - 2 (network broadcast, and network address) Using a class C address reserves 24 bits for the network (i.e. 192.168.1) and 8 bits for the host, which leaves you with 2^8 or 256 - the same 2 addresses. Your broadcast address is where all bits in the host part are 1, and your network address is where all host bits are 0. I hope this helps you understand the difference between addresses, and helps you pick the right one for your needs. Kevin Fries On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 10:18 -0700, Michael Havens wrote: What is the difference between the 192.168.x.y and the 10.x.y.z range? They are both the private network ranges but why would one decide to use one but not the other? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Cups issues
Thanks everyone.
Using 12.04 64bit
Found/installed the .deb drivers already, no joy
Brother cupswrapper drivers are installed prior to anything added, dpkg
shows them as happy with ii
Removed/deleted/tried numerous different things, no joy
Found some issues with 32b libs in 11.10, did the same fix here (copy
/usr/lib/* brother libs to lib32)
Doesn't show any errors or anything and works normally other than the blanks
I've checked cups access/error, syslog, etc with no errors to be had -
it thinks everything is dandy. Only thing I see is periodic discovery
errors once a day.
Odd part was when adding the printer in cups, it found it with mdns, but
there were 4 instances of it found. I've tried each, thinking maybe
it's some iteration of port/driver/etc, but they've all worked the same,
thinking it's a disconnect from cups to the apps.
I've never NOT been able to print by default without any drivers when
I've tried, it's the first time I've had to deal with vendor drivers so
no idea what to expect with cups. With no logs or anything showing
anything wrong, I'm a bit up a creek as I'm not familiar enough with
cups to start systracing it or the apps printer functions. I need to
find some docs how exactly cups works - it's never been a very
interesting point of research for me before. :)
-mb
On 03/08/2012 05:52 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
Hi Michael,
Which Ubuntu distro do you have?
0) Kernel: It seems that Ubuntu 11.10 has multiple printing issues -
compared to 11.04 (a serious loss of QA from Canonical folks). When
did you last update?
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862413page=2
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1862413page=2
Go to Applications - Accessories - Terminal
sudo dpkg --configure -a
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
TEST your driver now! If works - Dance!
1) Are you using 64 bit? Printer drivers for Ubuntu from Brother are
32bit only.
sudo uname -a
2) Verify your driver:
sudo dpkg -l | grep Brother
Note that if one or both lines start with “iF” instead of “ii” then this
appears to signify the installation failed to complete correctly.
Remove the installation completely by editing (AFTER BACKING UP ALL
FILES to be able to roll back after):
1. In System, Administration, Printers, delete the printer in question.
You might also need to browse to http://localhost:631 and delete it in
the CUPS printer list if it shows up there.
2. Go into a terminal, then gksudo nautilus
which will open Nautilus with root permissions.
3. Use nautilus to go to folder /var/lib/dpkg/info
Find all of the files that are named with your printer concatenated with
cupswrapper ${printername}cupswrapper... and delete them.
sudo grep $printername *
del $filename
4. Go back a level to folder /var/lib/dpkg and open the file called
status in gEdit. Do a File Save As and called it status.backup. Close,
and re-open the file status (not the backup copy). Search for
$printername. You should find a paragraph starting with the words
Package: $printernamecupswrapper Delete that section and save the file.
5. Now repeat the process outlined in step 4, but with the file called
available.
You should now be able to go to a terminal and run sudo dpkg --configure
-a without any errors.
Go to Brother and get the correct printer driver:
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html
Reference: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1653917.html
Remember to restart cups after adding back following their instructions.
Does it work? No--- send us some logs?
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Michael Butash mich...@butash.net
mailto:mich...@butash.net wrote:
Since there are printer users here it seems, I was wondering if
anyone else has run into this...
I recently acquired a Brother color laser (mfc-9440cn), and cannot
get it to print from my ubuntu box. I've been doing everything via
cups local web interface for setup/add and everything tests and test
prints ok, but any image comes out blank white. Local tests and
prints all work fine, but nothing aside from the ubuntu test page
has printed successfully via an actual print.
I've ensured ghostscript is there, everything looks ok in status
before/after, i just get nothing printed. Scanning to it via the
network works dandy with the drivers, just something isn't right
with something with how apps are sending to the printer drivers. I
hardly ever print anything anymore, and simply haven't used printing
features enough to have run into it, so I'm hoping one of you might
have seen this.
Googling various iterations of 'brother white blank pages' hasn't
resulted in much after hours.
Thanks in advance!
-mb
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Cups issues
Since there are printer users here it seems, I was wondering if anyone else has run into this... I recently acquired a Brother color laser (mfc-9440cn), and cannot get it to print from my ubuntu box. I've been doing everything via cups local web interface for setup/add and everything tests and test prints ok, but any image comes out blank white. Local tests and prints all work fine, but nothing aside from the ubuntu test page has printed successfully via an actual print. I've ensured ghostscript is there, everything looks ok in status before/after, i just get nothing printed. Scanning to it via the network works dandy with the drivers, just something isn't right with something with how apps are sending to the printer drivers. I hardly ever print anything anymore, and simply haven't used printing features enough to have run into it, so I'm hoping one of you might have seen this. Googling various iterations of 'brother white blank pages' hasn't resulted in much after hours. Thanks in advance! -mb --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Seeking a concise Linux installation checklist
Define thin? I install and wrap up an ubuntu server package with a 4gb lvm pv that I deploy with esx. For server, with a full default install (plus likewise, vmtools, snmpd, vim, and some other defaults) it fits snugly at 800mb on all lvm's. I split the 4gb disk hard provision /boot now to a 200mb (used to 100mb, upgrades kill this) and rest as a lvm pv, splitting it 300mb to /var/log, rest to root (or whatever your app requires). Works quite dandy for most purpose-built systems, and thin as far as things go in modern times. This is a basic production ubu 10.04 server install with procmail for smtp relay: UC\mb@relay0:~$ df -kh FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg0-root 2.2G 757M 1.4G 36% / none 181M 176K 181M 1% /dev none 186M 0 186M 0% /dev/shm none 186M 56K 186M 1% /var/run none 186M 0 186M 0% /var/lock none 186M 0 186M 0% /lib/init/rw /dev/sda1 89M 16M 68M 19% /boot /dev/mapper/vg0-varlog 276M 13M 248M 5% /var/log I'll add /media/ext0 for bulk data stores or /opt/application0 for more purpose-built storage and replication. Desktop images I manage much differently, usually 8g or 16g systems virtual machine disk as a base, or whatever disk. I break down partition structure more delicately with more lv's comprising the fs, but I always leave space to lvextend it larger if needed (/var comes to mind with dist-upgrades needing sometimes 1.2g of free space and overly-chatty logs). Allocate free space with lvextend where necessary as you learn. A heavily-used/modified/upgraded (i.e. my desktop rig) base uses very little still imho: mb@host:~$ df -kh FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg0-root 2.0G 1.3G 711M 64% / udev 3.9G 4.0K 3.9G 1% /dev tmpfs 3.9G 9.1M 3.9G 1% /tmp tmpfs 1.6G 1000K 1.6G 1% /run none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock none 3.9G 1.4M 3.9G 1% /run/shm /dev/md/boot 97M 61M 32M 67% /boot /dev/mapper/vg0-var 2.5G 1.3G 1.2G 54% /var /dev/mapper/vg0-usr10G 5.0G 4.6G 52% /usr These are personally large spaces that usually replicate/symlink generously between them and nfs network storage (read: important stuff): /dev/mapper/vg0-ext0 32G 16G 15G 53% /media/ext0 /dev/mapper/vg0-home 32G 28G 3.1G 90% /home Keeps the base disposable for the most part. Rest is essentially where you dump your stuff. Only other thing I backup is the /etc directories for posterity (and my crazy xorg configs). Still pretty thin in my book as far as an os, especially when win7/2k8 wants 20-25g just to install the bloody pig. XP needed at least 8gb to run/grow any, so 8g is fair to linux desktop, which it can make much more use of out of box. BTRFS is basically my eventual hope to reduce complication between ssd/trim, md, luks, lvm, and traditional fs' to make use of space effectively. -mb On 03/06/2012 12:02 PM, keith smith wrote: I'm curious. What is your old reliable? I agree with bloat. Seems Linux just keeps on growing. I had not pondered this much, except recently when I replace a Fedora Core 2 server with CentOS 6. I ran the Fedora box for 5 years as a local LAMP dev box. I wonder if there is a thin Linux. Of course right out of the box. I have no time to optimize Linux or M$. I have to upgrade occasionally since I am building apps that run on a relatively recent release. I sometime think of the good old days when Linux fit on a handful of 1.44MB micro floppies. It now comes on a handful of CD's or a DVD. Keith Smith --- On *Tue, 3/6/12, j...@actionline.com /j...@actionline.com/* wrote: From: j...@actionline.com j...@actionline.com Subject: Re: Seeking a concise Linux installation checklist To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, March 6, 2012, 10:13 AM Eric Shubes wrote, in part: ok to ... dual boot XP/Linux, running VBox on Linux Then you introduced dual booting multiple linux distros along with XP. Not a good idea in this day and age. I think your objective should be to get to the point of having a single linux boot, with VBox running whatever other OSs you want from there, including XP. Forget about dual booting unless it's absolutely necessary to get from here to there. [snipped] Thanks Eric. I certainly do always trust your counsel. Since I need to be unavailable much of the time until May, I'll have to come back to this later. But I just wanted to explain why I had proposed the multiple boot scenario. I really do detest xp and everything M$ and I rarely use it; however, since it is on the system and I have way
Re: [PLUG] Padfone -- WAS: Re: Transformer Prime: Bootloader Unlocked
Argh, I was really hoping that would have an lte option by the time it came. It's been in dev forever though, but hopefully they and verizon won't snub each other. The padphone might be irrelevant with shared data being easier on the wallet for having a gaggle of devices with individual radios. Plus, soon every android phone can boot to ubuntu on hdmi for the ultimate dock... -mb On 03/02/2012 12:05 PM, Crawford Rainwater wrote: - OAZ RUNEarizona.r...@gmail.com wrote: - http://www.datamation.com/feature/rise-of-the-extreme-iphone-killer-super-phones-2.html Just waiting for the unlock of the padfone by ASUS which is those three devices in one Phone that will dock/tether to the tablet which docks to the keyboard. That will by my linux machine and if it runs the nVidia Quad Core, OMG It will be powered by an Adreno 225 GPU and Snapdragon's dual-core S4 chip. More details on the Engadget URL below. http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-padfone-hands-on-video/ --- Crawford The Linux ETC Company 10121 Yates Court Westminster, CO 80031 USA voice: +1.303.604.2550 web:http://www.linux-etc.com Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. Be friendly to the environment by saving paper. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
