Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
The original reason for using DHCP (for the MOST part) was limited access to IP addresses. Most people (including network people) had never even heard of NATting or private IP's (10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x). Conservation of IP's was desirable. You could plan on a certain amount of absenteeism from your work force, so 100 people could get away with using 90 or 95 IP addresses. Now we don't need to do that, especially with IPv6 (two additional octets to the right of the ip). Now folks don't have to even deal with DHCP in most circumstances, but do so out of habit. Save yourself the headache of administering DHCP and just go static. I've seen offices of 5 people set up for DHCP by some MCSE (you know what that stands for don't you? Must Consult Someone Experienced!) This is what I call The ABSOLUTE ZENITH of ABJECT ABSURDITY (running dhcp services for 5 people). It's just another thing to break. So, get rid of it. It's FUN! It's EASY! And it TASTES GOOD TOO!!! (please excuse my lame attempt at humor.) My $0.02 Tim From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:19:26 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? Stephen wrote: you have two options either use static assignments in whatever you use to assign DHCP so it will always give Mac address X Ip Y This is the method I prefer. I call this a 'fixed' address (as does IPCop), as DHCP is still used to obtain an address, routing and DNS information (so it's not what's commonly referred to as 'static', which is configured on each computer), but each computer ends up with a fixed, or unchanging, address. The way this is done is by modifying the DHCP server's settings. Some DHCP server's configuration settings (web pages) allow this feature to be used, and some do not allow for it. It all depends on the router (assuming here that your router is also your DHCP server) you are using. In your router's configuration (web pages), look for the DHCP Server settings. If you can find a place for specifying fixed leases (a MAC address and IP address together), this is where you'll add each computer's MAC address, along with the corresponding IP address you want assigned. If your router doesn't allow for fixed leases, you'll need to configure each computer individually, giving each one a static IP address, along with gateway and DNS addresses. The gateway address is the address of your router. Your DNS addresses will be assigned by your ISP, and should be obtainable from your router's configuration. Look at the WAN interface status/configuration for DNS addresses. These addresses will be the same for all your computers, as well as your router. If you have difficulties, please post the make/model of your router (or better yet a link to the user manual for it), and we can help you out. HTH. or to configure your devices with static IP's This is the nature of DHCP and it works they way by design. 3rd alternative is to set a DHCP lease so effing long that it essentially never expires. but i am a larger fan of DHCP assignments. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I have four computers on my local network, 3 of which access by wireless. While most will go along working fine for a while, occasionally the ip number changes on some of them. Why does that happen and is there any way to prevent that or to be able to reset the ip# back to what it was? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
I'd like to post an addendum to this post. If you are a die hard geek who just likes to have another service whirring in the background just to watch the wheels spin, then so be it. More power to you. I do that stuff sometimes myself, when I consider it educational. On the other hand, you could get a Newton's Cradle, or a simple gyroscope (one of my personal favorites) and marvel at the complex wonders of gyroscopic stabilization and angular momentum, or (imho) the holy grail of desk toys, a superconductor demonstration kit for your desk to amaze security guards and get you fired (requires you to bring a thermos full of liquid nitrogen to your desk). ... http://www.can-superconductors.com/products/demonstration-kits/ Yuk it up, Tim From: Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:52:13 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? The original reason for using DHCP (for the MOST part) was limited access to IP addresses. Most people (including network people) had never even heard of NATting or private IP's (10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x). Conservation of IP's was desirable. You could plan on a certain amount of absenteeism from your work force, so 100 people could get away with using 90 or 95 IP addresses. Now we don't need to do that, especially with IPv6 (two additional octets to the right of the ip). Now folks don't have to even deal with DHCP in most circumstances, but do so out of habit. Save yourself the headache of administering DHCP and just go static. I've seen offices of 5 people set up for DHCP by some MCSE (you know what that stands for don't you? Must Consult Someone Experienced!) This is what I call The ABSOLUTE ZENITH of ABJECT ABSURDITY (running dhcp services for 5 people). It's just another thing to break. So, get rid of it. It's FUN! It's EASY! And it TASTES GOOD TOO!!! (please excuse my lame attempt at humor.) My $0.02 Tim From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:19:26 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? Stephen wrote: you have two options either use static assignments in whatever you use to assign DHCP so it will always give Mac address X Ip Y This is the method I prefer. I call this a 'fixed' address (as does IPCop), as DHCP is still used to obtain an address, routing and DNS information (so it's not what's commonly referred to as 'static', which is configured on each computer), but each computer ends up with a fixed, or unchanging, address. The way this is done is by modifying the DHCP server's settings. Some DHCP server's configuration settings (web pages) allow this feature to be used, and some do not allow for it. It all depends on the router (assuming here that your router is also your DHCP server) you are using. In your router's configuration (web pages), look for the DHCP Server settings. If you can find a place for specifying fixed leases (a MAC address and IP address together), this is where you'll add each computer's MAC address, along with the corresponding IP address you want assigned. If your router doesn't allow for fixed leases, you'll need to configure each computer individually, giving each one a static IP address, along with gateway and DNS addresses. The gateway address is the address of your router. Your DNS addresses will be assigned by your ISP, and should be obtainable from your router's configuration. Look at the WAN interface status/configuration for DNS addresses. These addresses will be the same for all your computers, as well as your router. If you have difficulties, please post the make/model of your router (or better yet a link to the user manual for it), and we can help you out. HTH. or to configure your devices with static IP's This is the nature of DHCP and it works they way by design. 3rd alternative is to set a DHCP lease so effing long that it essentially never expires. but i am a larger fan of DHCP assignments. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I have four computers on my local network, 3 of which access by wireless. While most will go along working fine for a while, occasionally the ip number changes on some of them. Why does that happen and is there any way to prevent that or to be able to reset the ip# back to what it was? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change
Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
Like I say in my next post, sometime folks like us just like to tinker and see things work, sometimes for fun or educational purposes. But that's your, or my personal thing. If I was doing a very small network for a client who doesn't see expanding they network requirements rapidly, I would never set up dhcp services for them. I'd just go static because dhcp services would just be another thing that could break. Small businesses like that aren't into having things break and more maintenance. I once knew a guy in Maryland, back in 1992 who would intentionally plant the Stoned virus on his client machines and then charge them to clean it off. I was all for shooting that guy. But for my own edification I just might do it. As for what I would call you? I'd call you Alex. It's a good name. It's my middle name, actually. More power to you, Alex. ;-) Tim From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 8:48:24 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? On Oct 1, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Tim Bogart wrote: This is what I call The ABSOLUTE ZENITH of ABJECT ABSURDITY (running dhcp services for 5 people). What would you call me if I run DHCP for 2 people? :) I use static DHCP (which, yes, seems like a contradiction in terms) mainly so I can have a single place (my router) to go to administer my IP address allocations. With a router, 2 workstations, misc servers, switch, network printer, music player, etc. Even for a small # of people, it's easy to end up with a hodge-podge of devices addresses to track. No more trying to remember which machine has which address, or accidentally giving the same address to 2 machines. This is especially handy since the local DNS server is in the same place, so getting MAC - IP - DNS all lined up correctly is really simple. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
Brian is absolutely right and I concur 100%. However, more to your question, Joe, They might change addresses once in a while because they are inactive for a time and which ever box is acting as your dhcp server is putting that address back in to the pool of available IP addresses. Normally, dhcp will see the mac address of your network interface card (nic) and see if your previous address is available and if it is, will issue it to that machine again. The duration of the time an ip address will be assigned to any particular machine is determined by a programmable variable called the license. The administrator is the one who determines this duration. Normally it's a matter of days. Usually three days is the shortest. The longest? Who knows. It's up to the administrator. But that's why they are changing on you. Again, unless you have a small IP address pool available to you, which you do not if you are using a private ip range as stated in the RFC's that pertain to TCP/IP and dhcp, then just go into your network settings, set them to static, lean back and cruise. Then they will never mysteriously change on you again. They will remain the same for ever and ever and ever...etc...etc. Tim From: Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:23:11 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? DHCP usually tries to keep the same IP address if possible, so unless you have more computers than you have IP addresses available, my guess would be that you have second DHCP server handing out IP addresses and your computers are bouncing back and forth between the one you mean to use and the rogue DHCP server. Brian Cluff On 10/01/2010 05:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I have four computers on my local network, 3 of which access by wireless. While most will go along working fine for a while, occasionally the ip number changes on some of them. Why does that happen and is there any way to prevent that or to be able to reset the ip# back to what it was? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
Thanks Brian..I dropped a stitch. Once again you are correct. Joe, you have to shut down that dhcp service on the machine(s) that are running the dhcp service. t From: Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:29:24 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? I forgot to add, shut off your DHCP server and then renew your IP address, if you get one, you have another DHCP server Just look for routers and access points that people have put on your network without permission. Brian Cluff On 10/01/2010 09:23 PM, Brian Cluff wrote: DHCP usually tries to keep the same IP address if possible, so unless you have more computers than you have IP addresses available, my guess would be that you have second DHCP server handing out IP addresses and your computers are bouncing back and forth between the one you mean to use and the rogue DHCP server. Brian Cluff On 10/01/2010 05:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I have four computers on my local network, 3 of which access by wireless. While most will go along working fine for a while, occasionally the ip number changes on some of them. Why does that happen and is there any way to prevent that or to be able to reset the ip# back to what it was? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing?
I could be wrong about it being called a license. On second thought, I think it's called a lease. t From: Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:40:41 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? Brian is absolutely right and I concur 100%. However, more to your question, Joe, They might change addresses once in a while because they are inactive for a time and which ever box is acting as your dhcp server is putting that address back in to the pool of available IP addresses. Normally, dhcp will see the mac address of your network interface card (nic) and see if your previous address is available and if it is, will issue it to that machine again. The duration of the time an ip address will be assigned to any particular machine is determined by a programmable variable called the license. The administrator is the one who determines this duration. Normally it's a matter of days. Usually three days is the shortest. The longest? Who knows. It's up to the administrator. But that's why they are changing on you. Again, unless you have a small IP address pool available to you, which you do not if you are using a private ip range as stated in the RFC's that pertain to TCP/IP and dhcp, then just go into your network settings, set them to static, lean back and cruise. Then they will never mysteriously change on you again. They will remain the same for ever and ever and ever...etc...etc. Tim From: Brian Cluff br...@snaptek.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 9:23:11 PM Subject: Re: Why do my local network ip addresses keep changing? DHCP usually tries to keep the same IP address if possible, so unless you have more computers than you have IP addresses available, my guess would be that you have second DHCP server handing out IP addresses and your computers are bouncing back and forth between the one you mean to use and the rogue DHCP server. Brian Cluff On 10/01/2010 05:04 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: I have four computers on my local network, 3 of which access by wireless. While most will go along working fine for a while, occasionally the ip number changes on some of them. Why does that happen and is there any way to prevent that or to be able to reset the ip# back to what it was? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: [OT] android phone, possible to get a good deal?
A little history... Remember, MCI went bankrupt and was eventually bought by Verizon. MCI was in competition with Verizon and tried desparately (and unsuccessfully I might add) to enter the LEC (Local Exchange Carrier) space. But in order to do that, not having a local infrastructure themselves, were reliant on leased lines from the incumbent LEC, Verizon. Verizon would stall, lose orders, and generally not cooperate, and resort to ANYTHING to keep MCI out of the LEC market during that time. When MCI was restructuring its debt, it was for sale. Now, Vint Cerf used to work at MCI as I did. There was a reason Vint worked there. It was because MCI had more global internet infrastructure than any other company in the world and had by far the largest global network by that time. ATT liked to think and claim that they did, but MCI was able to force them to withdraw those claims multiple times. But, to the point... during the restructuring, it was rumored more than once that M$ was considering buying MCI. Now think about that scenario for a minute. Talk about a nightmare! M$ owning and controlling the lion's share of the Internet by buying the largest Internet common carrier there was?... Geez! Just the thought gives me the creeps. I'd rather eat razor blades than think about it. My point being that common carriers using technological strong arming to secure and maintain market space is commonplace. It won't be until somebody throws all the switches to the on position and uses that to compete 'til all the others will be forced to do the same. Like MCI did with Friends and Family and including call waiting, call forwarding, voice mail, caller ID, and all the other goodies in the package. What a lot of people forget is that all of these features are included in the switching and routing equipment. They keep charging people for turning them on (and charging for connection fees, unending service contracts, stifling early termination penalties and all other sorts of heinous junk) until one company steps out of that mold. It's just a matter of time. And it will probably be a new start up. One day some body's going to do it and then we will all be able to get the combinations of goods and services we desire. My $0.02 Tim From: R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sat, September 18, 2010 6:53:29 PM Subject: Re: [OT] android phone, possible to get a good deal? On Sat, 18 Sep 2010, Jim March wrote: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176145 To get Android 2.1 you have to spend almost $500: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875176195 Wait just a bit and that should be upgradeable to 2.2? Not being sold at at New Egg, but I see Archos 7 and 10 internet tablets, for about $300, running Android 2.2 out of the gate, and seemingly well supported as to following new releases at Angstrom I have devices at older Android levels (it is not clear they have the processor 'horsepower' and ram to support later Android levels, which I imported directly from China) being a couple of essentially unsupported, no-name development chassis. I will be seeing about building trimmed down versions, and loading later Android versions over the mext couple weeks, via the Angstrom builder -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT - Editing a PDF file in Windoze
All, I have been asked to provide information as part of a job application. In the first part of the process, this was done on the web. Now in this next phase, I have been asked to provide information by filling out forms. They would prefer to have an electronic version of this data. Unfortunately, they have sent me a document in .PDF file format. As we all have known for 20 years or more, these files are normally set to disallow editing, as this one is. I'm familiar with pdf2txt and the rest of the manual tools. I could go to the local service bureau and print out twenty of them, but I don't want to spend three days doing this. Open office doesn't seem to be able to open a pdf formatted file. Does anybody know of a free (as in beer or freedom) application that runs on windoze that will allow me to edit this file? I tried something called Foxit but it doesn't work as advertised. You can't edit text with it. It acts simply as a viewer. Does anybody have personal experience with something that's free that actually works? TIA, -- Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Editing a PDF file in Windoze
All, Okay. Problem addressed. I thank you all for your suggestions. Thanks again, Tim B. It's All Good -- Billy Ball From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 11:05:53 AM Subject: Re: OT - Editing a PDF file in Windoze thats cool! On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: OpenOffice can deal with PDF files it you install the extension. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport HTH Kevin On Sep 17, 2010 10:58 AM, Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com wrote: You can make the pdf form fillable using Acrobat. I'm sure other tools as well, I am just not familiar with them. Eric On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: Try http://www.pdftow... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
All, Please forgive me for my stupidity, but I've never been able to wrap my brain around this one. I am filling out an application for a major corporation and on it they wish me to provide dates of unemployment for the last seven years. That I get. The part I don't get is that they wish me to provide an explanation for those periods. Explain what? Why I was unemployed? I got laid off, or the contract expired or I got fired from the previous position. Or, why I was unemployed or why I couldn't find work? I dunno. Am I to explain why a company didn't want to interview me, or hire me, or didn't get presented with my resume? This one just dumbfounds me. To me, this is just a stupid way to word something. Oh, and by the way... nobody answers the help line. Nice... Any thoughts? Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
Just as an aside to everybody, I was interviewed on Wednesday of last week. The interview was not in Phoenix. They flew me to the interview site, put me up in a hotel overnight, and I interviewed the next day. Then, this past Monday, I got an email from them that began like this... Tim, Good day to you: You should have received an email requesting you fill out an official employee application. Once you get this, We would like to move forward with an offer for you but can not until this step is complete: Certain portions were edited out to conserve the name of the employer. I guess I can still be eliminated depending what's on the application. But I am very excited about this, nonetheless. Wish me luck. Respectfully, Tim B. It's all good! From: Lyle Tuttle l.tut...@cox.net To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:04:41 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application When I completed all of the objectives given to me to accomplish, the position was abolished. At 09:57 AM 9/16/2010, you wrote: Since it is vague interpret it in the way that best suits you :) Don't say anything negative about yourself if you can help it lest they filter your application to the trash before even interviewing you. I think in such situations LESS is MORE :) On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 09:53, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: All, Please forgive me for my stupidity, but I've never been able to wrap my brain around this one. I am filling out an application for a major corporation and on it they wish me to provide dates of unemployment for the last seven years. That I get. The part I don't get is that they wish me to provide an explanation for those periods. Explain what? Why I was unemployed? I got laid off, or the contract expired or I got fired from the previous position. Or, why I was unemployed or why I couldn't find work? I dunno. Am I to explain why a company didn't want to interview me, or hire me, or didn't get presented with my resume? This one just dumbfounds me. To me, this is just a stupid way to word something. Oh, and by the way... nobody answers the help line. Nice... Any thoughts? Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
This is the advice I seem to be most comfortable with, even though it may not be the most productive. I'm treating it like an application for a security clearance. I have experience with a gentleman who on an application for a security clearance described some unsavory activities that involved some farm animals (no, I'm not going to go into specifics, but you can probably use your imagination and come up with a scenerio that will encompass the activitity, even though it may make you whince) and wound up GETTING THE CLEARANCE! In such situations, HONESTY is the most important factor. Whodathunkit? Tim True is stranger than fact. Grandpa Jones Hee-Haw From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 1:55:08 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Good luck with this, Tim. I would advise not stretching the truth on the application. If anything on your application is found to be false later on, it could be grounds for dismissal regardless of the significance of the falsehood. -- -Eric 'shubes' Tim Bogart wrote: Just as an aside to everybody, I was interviewed on Wednesday of last week. The interview was not in Phoenix. They flew me to the interview site, put me up in a hotel overnight, and I interviewed the next day. Then, this past Monday, I got an email from them that began like this... Tim, Good day to you: You should have received an email requesting you fill out an official employee application. Once you get this, We would like to move forward with an offer for you but can not until this step is complete: Certain portions were edited out to conserve the name of the employer. I guess I can still be eliminated depending what's on the application. But I am very excited about this, nonetheless. Wish me luck. Respectfully, Tim B. / / /It's all good!/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities (I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like that, or how can you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not be interested?) that are easily checked. Tim B. I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here... True is stranger than fact. Hee-Haw From: AZ Pete su...@cactusfamily.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:18:38 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application It is generally best not to stretch the truth on an application, but if you feel you must in order to get the job that's your decision. But understand that it is *extraordinarily* rare these days that a company will fire you because they found out later that you lied on your application. If they want to fire you they have the right to do so without cause (in AZ anyway). They'll be able to come up with a dozen legitimate reasons to dismiss an employee without having to go through the hassle of checking all the info on an application months or years after the fact. Lying on a application was much more of a risk when you could lose years of pension benefits as a result. But that's not so much of an issue these days. Just my 2 cents Interesting about the farm animal guy. Must have been a gov't job. :) Peter Tim Bogart wrote: This is the advice I seem to be most comfortable with, even though it may not be the most productive. I'm treating it like an application for a security clearance. I have experience with a gentleman who on an application for a security clearance described some unsavory activities that involved some farm animals (no, I'm not going to go into specifics, but you can probably use your imagination and come up with a scenerio that will encompass the activitity, even though it may make you whince) and wound up GETTING THE CLEARANCE! In such situations, HONESTY is the most important factor. Whodathunkit? Tim True is stranger than fact. Grandpa Jones Hee-Haw From: Eric Shuberte...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 1:55:08 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Good luck with this, Tim. I would advise not stretching the truth on the application. If anything on your application is found to be false later on, it could be grounds for dismissal regardless of the significance of the falsehood. -- -Eric 'shubes' Tim Bogart wrote: Just as an aside to everybody, I was interviewed on Wednesday of last week. The interview was not in Phoenix. They flew me to the interview site, put me up in a hotel overnight, and I interviewed the next day. Then, this past Monday, I got an email from them that began like this... Tim, Good day to you: You should have received an email requesting you fill out an official employee application. Once you get this, We would like to move forward with an offer for you but can not until this step is complete: Certain portions were edited out to conserve the name of the employer. I guess I can still be eliminated depending what's on the application. But I am very excited about this, nonetheless. Wish me luck. Respectfully, Tim B. / / /It's all good!/ --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
No. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. No, they did not terminate people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or for whatever reason, were not convicted. They terminated those people for FAILING TO DISCLOSE their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on the application. Understandable in my mind. Tim... From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime? That seems a bit too far :( If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities (I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like that, or how can you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not be interested?) that are easily checked. Tim B. I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here... True is stranger than fact. Hee-Haw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
Maybe... but I'd be willing to bet that the words charged with or are in there somewhere too. Believe me, they want to know everything. I misquoted Grandpa Jones... he used to say Fact is stranger than true. Tim From: Steve Phariss sphar...@gmail.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 3:02:33 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application That is still a bit strange. All the applications I have filled out the question is have you ever been found guilty On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: No. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. No, they did not terminate people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or for whatever reason, were not convicted. They terminated those people for FAILING TO DISCLOSE their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on the application. Understandable in my mind. Tim... From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime? That seems a bit too far :( If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities (I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like that, or how can you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not be interested?) that are easily checked. Tim B. I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here... True is stranger than fact. Hee-Haw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
I'm pretty sure expungment is an entirely separate process if I'm not mistaken. If you've gone through the process of being charged and tried for a crime, even if you were found innocent or exonerated or whatever the result, I believe it's still a matter of public record forever and ever, unless as you say, it gets expunged. Not even a Presidential pardon as I understand it is the equivalent of an expungment if I'm not mistaken. I'm not an attorney, but I'm pretty darned sure of that which I say on this subject. Any lawyers out there who wish to offer a ruling on this? I can always be wrong. That's why I try never to speak in absolutes. This level of the discussion is moot for me because I'm not an attorney and any opinion I have on the subject emanates from an orifice from which oratory is not worth the time it takes. Tim From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 3:03:40 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application I'm glad I don't work somewhere like that. If I was acquitted/exonerated of a crime I wouldn't list it on an application either! I can't think of a reason anyone would. If it was a crime I'd been convicted of that was later expunged I would list it though; perhaps that is what you're referring to? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:54, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: No. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. No, they did not terminate people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or for whatever reason, were not convicted. They terminated those people for FAILING TO DISCLOSE their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on the application. Understandable in my mind. Tim... From: JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime? That seems a bit too far :( If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities (I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like that, or how can you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not be interested?) that are easily checked. Tim B. I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here... True is stranger than fact. Hee-Haw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
That's how I see it, based on my experience, and my Jimmeny Cricket factor too. Hence, my bewilderment as to why they would ask (what amounts in my mind to be just a really stupid question) Why were you unemployed for 9 months? And why is I don't know, I just couldn't get hired anywhere such a bad response. Why is the abject truth so bad? It's a simple truth and for the average person, there's no shame in it. It's certainly not an unemployed individual's fault if hiring managers don't find in his or her favor. Well, maybe it is. Maybe the person doesn't have the creds. Maybe the person doesn't interview well. There again, maybe the economy stinks. Maybe it's NOT their fault directly. Even if you ask why you didn't get hired into a position, normally the response you get is We decided to pursue other candidates. And you still don't know why you don't have a job. I just find it to be a question, the asking of which there is little or nothing to gain. I find it nothing but embarrassing to an applicant. Sure, there is a reason. But for every application submitted, for every resume submitted, there can be a thousand different reason why one was not successful in securing employment. What an employer is doing by asking the question in the first place is asking the applicant to speculate, because the actual truth of the matter can never be known. The best response, and one I would LOVE to use one day would be I don't know. I'm sure all 9000 companies that I've applied with has their own reasons. Why don't you hire me and then it won't matter. Now I'm just venting. ... sorry. Tim From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 3:21:33 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application The significance isn't the crime itself, that you were tried, or what the verdict was. The significance is you falsified your application by omitting the fact that it occurred. Lying about it (or anything) on you application is a term of dismissal. It's that simple. JD Austin wrote: I'm glad I don't work somewhere like that. If I was acquitted/exonerated of a crime I wouldn't list it on an application either! I can't think of a reason anyone would. If it was a crime I'd been convicted of that was later expunged I would list it though; perhaps that is what you're referring to? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:54, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com mailto:timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: No. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. No, they did not terminate people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or for whatever reason, were not convicted. They terminated those people for *FAILING TO DISCLOSE* their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on the application. Understandable in my mind. Tim... *From:* JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com *To:* Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us *Sent:* Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime? That seems a bit too far :( If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com mailto:timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty, thrown out due to mistrial or other reasons) but the point is that they had concealed the facts regarding criminal activities (I mean seriously, how can you forget to list something like that, or how can you think it somehow doesn't qualify as something a potential employer would not be interested?) that are easily checked. Tim B. I'm sticking with Grandpa Jones here... True is stranger than fact. Hee-Haw --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:PLUG-discuss
Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application
All, After reading my own post, I think I can answer my own questions... It's because of my own naivete. Okay. My therapy session is over. I'm getting up from the couch and leaving now. I thank everyone for their participation. Any other questions or concerns will be addressed in my most thoughtful manner. All of you have been very helpful and I thank all of you very very much. Respectfully, Tim B. From: Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 4:05:50 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application That's how I see it, based on my experience, and my Jimmeny Cricket factor too. Hence, my bewilderment as to why they would ask (what amounts in my mind to be just a really stupid question) Why were you unemployed for 9 months? And why is I don't know, I just couldn't get hired anywhere such a bad response. Why is the abject truth so bad? It's a simple truth and for the average person, there's no shame in it. It's certainly not an unemployed individual's fault if hiring managers don't find in his or her favor. Well, maybe it is. Maybe the person doesn't have the creds. Maybe the person doesn't interview well. There again, maybe the economy stinks. Maybe it's NOT their fault directly. Even if you ask why you didn't get hired into a position, normally the response you get is We decided to pursue other candidates. And you still don't know why you don't have a job. I just find it to be a question, the asking of which there is little or nothing to gain. I find it nothing but embarrassing to an applicant. Sure, there is a reason. But for every application submitted, for every resume submitted, there can be a thousand different reason why one was not successful in securing employment. What an employer is doing by asking the question in the first place is asking the applicant to speculate, because the actual truth of the matter can never be known. The best response, and one I would LOVE to use one day would be I don't know. I'm sure all 9000 companies that I've applied with has their own reasons. Why don't you hire me and then it won't matter. Now I'm just venting. ... sorry. Tim From: Eric Shubert e...@shubes.net To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 3:21:33 PM Subject: Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application The significance isn't the crime itself, that you were tried, or what the verdict was. The significance is you falsified your application by omitting the fact that it occurred. Lying about it (or anything) on you application is a term of dismissal. It's that simple. JD Austin wrote: I'm glad I don't work somewhere like that. If I was acquitted/exonerated of a crime I wouldn't list it on an application either! I can't think of a reason anyone would. If it was a crime I'd been convicted of that was later expunged I would list it though; perhaps that is what you're referring to? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:54, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com mailto:timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: No. Maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough. No, they did not terminate people for having a brush with the law and being found innocent or acquitted or for whatever reason, were not convicted. They terminated those people for *FAILING TO DISCLOSE* their brush with the law, and the accompanying details on the application. Understandable in my mind. Tim... *From:* JD Austin j...@twingeckos.com mailto:j...@twingeckos.com *To:* Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us mailto:plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us *Sent:* Thu, September 16, 2010 2:48:46 PM *Subject:* Re: OT - Explaining periods of unemployment on an application Hold on.. they fired people that were ACQUITTED of a crime? That seems a bit too far :( If a court can't find them guilty how can an employer? On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 14:38, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com mailto:timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: I like your response. At a company with which I worked for many years, many years ago used to send me email on a daily basis listing folks who had been terminated. Of those, many were terminated because of falsehoods on their applications. And of those, not nearly, but ALL were due to information omitted regarding some crime that the individual had committed. And they ran the gambit from robbery to murder. Yes, murder, believe it or not. But in fairness, of those, they involved folks who had been tried for murder and had been exonerated by some means (found not guilty
Re: going M$ free
This is great. I'll tell you the same thing I tell others. Using M$ is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer. It just feels so good when you stop. I kicked the M$ dust off my shoes years ago and never looked back. And never regretted it either. Good luck, man. My $0.02. Tim B. From: keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 10:16:44 AM Subject: Re: going M$ free That is cool!! So you are only using the apps you can only run under windows, like IE. You do all your browsing and email using Linux so you are less vulnerable to malware, rootkits, and all the other junk that is our there. Nice!! Keith Smith --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kevin Fries kfri...@gmail.com Subject: Re: going M$ free To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 9:44 AM Even better, VBox has a mode called seamless mode. I need Vision every so often, so I have XP in a vbox instance. I have an icon on my desktop that uses the command line interface to start the Windows instance on demand, otherwise why waste the resources. When I first set ut up, Windows came up in a window, but I auto-hid the launch bar and hit ctrl-L to go into seamless mode. Now, when I move my mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen, the start menu appears, and I can launch any program I installed in my windows instance. Freaks out the Windows guys because it makes it look like your windows program is actually running on Linux... ah geek fun!! Kevin On Sep 13, 2010 10:34 AM, keith smith klsmith2...@yahoo.com wrote: So basically I install my favorite distro of Linux. Download and install the compatible version of virtualbox. Then install XP in the virtualbox. Would I be able to open an instance of XP in a window? Like opening multiple browser tabs? That way I would be able to go back and forth between Windows and Linux. Keith Smith --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ariel Gold arielqg...@gmail.com Subject: Re: going M$ free To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 9:25 AM I also run virtualbox for IE testing. I run tinyxp, which runs blazing fast (not that i've done...-Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@... --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer for a good kid...
That will be helpful. ... Tim. From: Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 8:59:50 AM Subject: Re: Computer for a good kid... From: Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com He doesn't have a computer. He can't buy one. No money. I told him I would put this note out on the list and see if there was anybody who could donate a spare computer to his cause. I don't have an entire computer, but I do have some parts. 1 Tyan motherboard, onboard ATi graphics, onboard NIC, onboard sound, 2 IDE ports, 4 SATA ports, everything bloody well works in Linux. 1G RAM that fits in that board, 1 single-core 2200MHz Athlon64, 1 rather old but still working PS/2 mouse, 1 IDE DVD+RW/CD-RW, and when I get time to install the new 1T disk, 1 300G SATA disk. This'd need an ATX mid-tower case, power supply, monitor, and keyboard to be a working system. But if this guy can use these older parts, I'd be happy to give them. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer for a good kid...
cool, once I get the email's together, we'll see what can be cobbled together... Tim. From: Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 11:43:28 PM Subject: Re: Computer for a good kid... I have an old IBM netvista P4 2ghz or so PC133 ram and a 40 GB IDE drive, but it works, and it should have an old Nvidia graphics card in it, i don't really have a spare monitor however. but if its not already there i can drop Ubuntu on it. I do think i can arrange for a keyboard and mouse as well. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, Well, I still haven't found work, and I'm trying to help one of my neighbors out. There's a young man living with his father four doors down from me. He's going to ITT Tech tomorrow to see about getting in to one of their computer or IT programs. He doesn't have a computer. He can't buy one. No money. Times are hard. He is staying with his father and his father is on disability and waiting for a kidney. He goes to dialysis every week. I told him (his father, Dean (the son's name is Isaac)) I would put this note out on the list and see if there was anybody who could donate a spare computer to his cause. His father indicated that he already has Cox cable and could probably get basic internet service. I told him that this was conditional that if it happened, the computer would come with Linux on it and that it was NOT to be replaced with Windows. He has learned of my accomplishments and trusts my judgment. I told him that he would learn a lot more about computers and programming with Linux than he would ever learn with Windows. I've got him pumped about Linux. Anyway, if anyone thinks they can help this young man, I'd like to hear from you. Good on all y'all, Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer for a good kid...
That's helpful. Thank You. Tim... From: Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:22:38 AM Subject: Re: Computer for a good kid... my brother-in-law has some later model parts laying around (vid card, motherboard, ram) that can take off his hands. let me check and see what they are and get back to the list. On 8/2/10 8:59 AM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Tim Bogarttimbog...@yahoo.com He doesn't have a computer. He can't buy one. No money. I told him I would put this note out on the list and see if there was anybody who could donate a spare computer to his cause. I don't have an entire computer, but I do have some parts. 1 Tyan motherboard, onboard ATi graphics, onboard NIC, onboard sound, 2 IDE ports, 4 SATA ports, everything bloody well works in Linux. 1G RAM that fits in that board, 1 single-core 2200MHz Athlon64, 1 rather old but still working PS/2 mouse, 1 IDE DVD+RW/CD-RW, and when I get time to install the new 1T disk, 1 300G SATA disk. This'd need an ATX mid-tower case, power supply, monitor, and keyboard to be a working system. But if this guy can use these older parts, I'd be happy to give them. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Computer for a good kid...
Good enough... We'll see...Tim From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sun, August 1, 2010 10:42:48 PM Subject: Re: Computer for a good kid... Well I have an old some what fussy monitor and some old computers I would give up. But not sure how useful they would be. I would have to see what I have not already e-cycled but if no one here has a better offer they do exist. In a limited painful way. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:32 PM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: Am 01. Aug, 2010 schwätzte Tim Bogart so: Hi all, Well, I still haven't found work, and I'm trying to help one of my neighbors out. There's a young man living with his father four doors down from me. He's going to ITT Tech tomorrow to see about getting in to one of their computer or IT I should have also mentioned that he can talk to the community colleges[0] as well. Classes might be much less expensive. I don't know about scholarships and such. [0] Disclaimer: I am an instructor in the Linux Networking degree program at Mesa Community College ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classeshttp://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # It is appallingly obvious that our technology exceeds our humanity. # -- Einstein --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Computer for a good kid...
Hi all, Well, I still haven't found work, and I'm trying to help one of my neighbors out. There's a young man living with his father four doors down from me. He's going to ITT Tech tomorrow to see about getting in to one of their computer or IT programs. He doesn't have a computer. He can't buy one. No money. Times are hard. He is staying with his father and his father is on disability and waiting for a kidney. He goes to dialysis every week. I told him (his father, Dean (the son's name is Isaac)) I would put this note out on the list and see if there was anybody who could donate a spare computer to his cause. His father indicated that he already has Cox cable and could probably get basic internet service. I told him that this was conditional that if it happened, the computer would come with Linux on it and that it was NOT to be replaced with Windows. He has learned of my accomplishments and trusts my judgment. I told him that he would learn a lot more about computers and programming with Linux than he would ever learn with Windows. I've got him pumped about Linux. Anyway, if anyone thinks they can help this young man, I'd like to hear from you. Good on all y'all, Tim B. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: UK Government says, Dump Microsoft
All, I respectfully submit that M$ will not permit this to happen. Remember, they have been found guilty and convicted of violating anti trust laws and will do so anytime they believe their interests are threatened. They have been shown that even with a conviction, the penalty is minimal. They will resort to a form of dumping and lower their price for a time or even eliminate the payment requirements all together just to keep those systems in there and running. Steve Ballmer said once something like If somebody is going to pirate software, we would just as soon they pirate ours. They will do what ever it takes to see to it that doesn't happen. Sorry folks. Tim From: ChasM Marshall chasm...@hotmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 6:06:20 PM Subject: RE: UK Government says, Dump Microsoft Joe, I hate to be negative, but it's only a proposal. I don't see much traction to this U.K. proposal although, I am totally FOR it. For example, the Brazilian government successfully banned proprietary software. Down there, the MS product line has a much smaller installed base. Their future public budget was the primary concern for the law. But in the U.K. the government has to deal with entrenched political lobby power. The MS marketeers have already pushed pretty deep into their infrastructure. I've read reports of whole school departments being refused purchase funds. Why? Because MS offered a substitute product. They should have specified MS product. Internal conflicts between agencies ensue. It's weird that when a requesting agency asks for non-MS goods, they are denied purchase power by the very sources of budget inefficiency that that country is now fighting. This article shows only the tip of a huge $235 Billion deficit iceberg. Two of the 31 listed proposals are what was disclosed. Spit in the ocean. How nice that these suggestions are from officials but, the suggestion box has now expanded to the general public... So now, do they fire the two guys who suggested Linux and open source software? Good luck to Prime Minister David Cameron. Kudos to Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne. His position is confirmed pro-OpenSource. Yay! \o/ (-: Chas.M. :-) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:46:30 -0600 Subject: UK Government says, Dump Microsoft From: j...@actionline.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Today, the government of the United Kingdom now says: Dump Microsoft, Use Linux ... It's only a matter of time for more and more people wake up to common sense. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-09/dump-microsoft-use-linux-to-save-money-u-k-officials-suggest.html l A few key excerpts: New U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron asked 600,000 government workers to make suggestions on saving money ... 56,000 ideas submitted ... ... migrate the whole of government from Microsoft products to Linux and open-source software like Openoffice” ... suggested dropping Microsoft. ... before the Conservatives won power [officials said they] favored the idea ... quote: “We need to follow the example of businesses all over the world and take advantage of open-source technology,” Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security
Yes they do. The difference being that if public keys are going to be forged in the circle of trust system, a whole lot of systems have to be compromised. With PKI, you're putting all your eggs in that one basket. And if you lose control of it. That's it. Game over. You're in trouble. And that's always the issue with centralization of anything. My .02. t From: Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 12:09:46 AM Subject: Re: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security On 7/1/10 6:36 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote: Interesting take on PKI and security http://www.schneier.com/paper-pki-ft.txt a favorite take-away quote, from it: [...] security is very difficult, both to understand and to implement. The biggest problem with security is that most (nearly 99%) do not understand it, the reasons for it or how to implement and use it. Those few that do can largely be counted as a very small number (less than 1,000) in the entire field and a lot of them spent years leaning how. I personally know enough to know I *really* don't know nearly enough (and perhaps just enough to keep the honest people honest and that's about it). as for the 2 models presented, each has its own Achilles heal. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security
That's my perspective... like it or not. It's still true. Basics don't change. t From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Fri, July 2, 2010 5:30:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Tim Bogart timbog...@yahoo.com wrote: All, This is a perfectly crystallized description of views I espoused in a book I wrote 3 years ago which didn't get published. I did an entire chapter on PKI versus circle of trust. What's the difference between the two. Fundamentally, it's philosophy, and Ellison and Schnier said it best. Who do you trust? Public Key Infrastructure is largely adopted by large firms who have a burning desire to centralize the process. Have you ever met a manager or executive that didn't have an inclination toward wanting to have iron fisted control over a process or system? PKI provides that control, and that makes them feel good. Circle of trust decentralizes the control and allows anybody in an organization to sign keys. This places the onus of inquiry on the user to validate or verify signatures independently. And in my estimation, from a security perspective, this is a good thing. The circle of trust can be compared to the play or movie called “Six Degrees of Separation.” It goes like this... Do you know the Pope? Probably not. But how many acquaintances do you think you have between yourself and the Pope? Well, let's assume you know me, that's one. I know Vint Cerf, that's two. Vint Cerf knows George Bush, that's three. And President Bush knows the Pope, that's four. So, if you knew me, there would be four degrees of separation between you and the Pope. I'm not going to go into whether you trust George Bush, or the Pope, or me for that matter, but I think you see how it works. In a large Corporation like Verizon, or the US Military, there's an echelon of command that dictates who you should trust. But is that the best way to go? I say no. Not from a security perspective. Independent validation of credentials is always preferable to centralization in this scenario because if there is a breakdown in the chain of trust with the PKI model, it can be catastrophic. If there is a breakdown in the chain of trust in a circle of trust system, it's recoverable because there is more than a single path of trust. It's comparable to the very reason the Internet and packet switched networks were developed by DARPA. If a catastrophic event took out a major telecommunications switch, rerouting calls would be very time consuming and sometimes impossible in a circuit switched network. Whereas with a packet switched network, the packets containing the call information would be rerouted around the damaged segment or segments automatically. That's what the Internet was invented for in the first place (read “Where Wizards Stay Up Late. The Origins of the Internet” by Katie Hafner and Mathew Lyon, ISBN 0684812010, Library of Congress #TK5105.875.I57 H338 1996 ). “But management needs central control!” They can still have it with circle of trust. They can poison pill any key set they wish. They can even require key signatures that will allow management or agents thereof to open encrypted emails. It's all in the architecture and how it's administered. I worked for a company that used circle of trust and did just that. But the skeleton keys weren't held by one entity. The company had a master or skeleton key and could open an encrypted document or email. The key to the security in this scenario was the process. There was a formalized request and approval process that was required with certain checks and balances in place to ensure the act of breaching and encrypted transmission wasn't abused by a single person, like launching a missile from a submarine. Anyway, I could go on and on. But I won't bore you. Suffice to say that Bruce and Carl are absolutely correct. BTW... get the book. It starts out a bit slow but there's all kinds of good stuff in there, like who's responsible for making the first router work, who's idea was it to fund it initially? Who came up with the RFC system? Who's responsible for the @ in email addresses and all kinds of good stuff. It pays to know your history, and this book's got a bunch of it. My $0.02 t From: Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org To: PLUG-discuss mailing list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Cc: Mike L Schwartz schwa...@acm.org Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 6:36:12 PM Subject: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security Interesting take on PKI and security http://www.schneier.com/paper-pki-ft.txt a favorite take-away quote, from it: [...] security is very difficult, both to understand and to implement. (that's from the 2nd sentence, of about the 4th-to-last paragraph). ...something to think about
Re: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security
All, This is a perfectly crystallized description of views I espoused in a book I wrote 3 years ago which didn't get published. I did an entire chapter on PKI versus circle of trust. What's the difference between the two. Fundamentally, it's philosophy, and Ellison and Schnier said it best. Who do you trust? Public Key Infrastructure is largely adopted by large firms who have a burning desire to centralize the process. Have you ever met a manager or executive that didn't have an inclination toward wanting to have iron fisted control over a process or system? PKI provides that control, and that makes them feel good. Circle of trust decentralizes the control and allows anybody in an organization to sign keys. This places the onus of inquiry on the user to validate or verify signatures independently. And in my estimation, from a security perspective, this is a good thing. The circle of trust can be compared to the play or movie called “Six Degrees of Separation.” It goes like this... Do you know the Pope? Probably not. But how many acquaintances do you think you have between yourself and the Pope? Well, let's assume you know me, that's one. I know Vint Cerf, that's two. Vint Cerf knows George Bush, that's three. And President Bush knows the Pope, that's four. So, if you knew me, there would be four degrees of separation between you and the Pope. I'm not going to go into whether you trust George Bush, or the Pope, or me for that matter, but I think you see how it works. In a large Corporation like Verizon, or the US Military, there's an echelon of command that dictates who you should trust. But is that the best way to go? I say no. Not from a security perspective. Independent validation of credentials is always preferable to centralization in this scenario because if there is a breakdown in the chain of trust with the PKI model, it can be catastrophic. If there is a breakdown in the chain of trust in a circle of trust system, it's recoverable because there is more than a single path of trust. It's comparable to the very reason the Internet and packet switched networks were developed by DARPA. If a catastrophic event took out a major telecommunications switch, rerouting calls would be very time consuming and sometimes impossible in a circuit switched network. Whereas with a packet switched network, the packets containing the call information would be rerouted around the damaged segment or segments automatically. That's what the Internet was invented for in the first place (read “Where Wizards Stay Up Late. The Origins of the Internet” by Katie Hafner and Mathew Lyon, ISBN 0684812010, Library of Congress #TK5105.875.I57 H338 1996 ). “But management needs central control!” They can still have it with circle of trust. They can poison pill any key set they wish. They can even require key signatures that will allow management or agents thereof to open encrypted emails. It's all in the architecture and how it's administered. I worked for a company that used circle of trust and did just that. But the skeleton keys weren't held by one entity. The company had a master or skeleton key and could open an encrypted document or email. The key to the security in this scenario was the process. There was a formalized request and approval process that was required with certain checks and balances in place to ensure the act of breaching and encrypted transmission wasn't abused by a single person, like launching a missile from a submarine. Anyway, I could go on and on. But I won't bore you. Suffice to say that Bruce and Carl are absolutely correct. BTW... get the book. It starts out a bit slow but there's all kinds of good stuff in there, like who's responsible for making the first router work, who's idea was it to fund it initially? Who came up with the RFC system? Who's responsible for the @ in email addresses and all kinds of good stuff. It pays to know your history, and this book's got a bunch of it. My $0.02 t From: Mike Schwartz schwa...@acm.org To: PLUG-discuss mailing list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Cc: Mike L Schwartz schwa...@acm.org Sent: Thu, July 1, 2010 6:36:12 PM Subject: OT: (or is it?) Interesting take on PKI and security Interesting take on PKI and security http://www.schneier.com/paper-pki-ft.txt a favorite take-away quote, from it: [...] security is very difficult, both to understand and to implement. (that's from the 2nd sentence, of about the 4th-to-last paragraph). ...something to think about... -- Mike Schwartz Glendale AZ schwa...@acm.org --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: In Faulty-Computer Suit, Window to Dell Decline
This is not an uncommon occurrence. It's been going on since the home brew days. For a while, the now extinct VA Linux couldn't produce machines because they couldn't find ram of high enough quality to keep up with their demanding tests. Capacitors are not the only components that exhibit this behavior. Resistors and more commonly components used in power supplies are very often points of failure. The temptation to use either cheaper parts, or the temptation of component manufacturers to slightly over rate their components' capabilities is sometimes just too great to resist. My $0.02 From: Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Tue, June 29, 2010 7:03:07 PM Subject: Re: OT: In Faulty-Computer Suit, Window to Dell Decline Interestingly enough, one of my clients had a newer model dell (less than 3 years old) buy the farm as a result of bad caps (5 of them along the regulator strip on the motherboard had popped, one explosively so). I gave her my last remaining working older machine (and older AMD 3200+ 32 bit machine) that actually seemed to work *better* than the machine she originally brought to me. Unfortunately, the hardware failure also resulted in her OS (windows xp pro) having issues that took me multiple tries and finally a full blown re-install to get corrected (the last at my cost). The situation as reported in the news article is actually a lot more common than people are lead to believe. as companies try to maximize their bottom line, they tend to cut corners (like finding apparently cheaper vendors for some parts of their product line, etc). as stated, dell wasn't the only one to have these problems (caused in large part by financial pressure to get things done on the cheap). I have at some point worked on many machines (and other pieces or hardware) produced by a variety or foreign or domestic firms where cheap caps were the primary cause of failure (computer PSU's being the most common among them). anyone here know how all this got started? a little piece of botched industrial espionage in Japan where a Taiwanese competitor tried to steal the formula for the electrolyte compound used in the production of capacitors. Only they got the incomplete formula missing the depolarizing agent (the chemical that prevents both electrolytic breakdown and oxidation of the metal strips used in such devices). the problem wasn't discovered until almost 2 years later when caps started exploding in cheap power supplies. here's a wiki on the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague what is more amazing, some of these bad caps are still sitting on store shelves in some shops waiting to be sold or being used in new equipment (such as the new wireless N routers and other consumer gear). On 6/29/10 4:41 PM, keith smith wrote: I have 3 Dells and might not buy anything new until next year. I'm now considering another vendor even though I have had great experience with their products and service. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/In-FaultyComputer-Suit-Window-nytimes-2375403564.html?x=0 Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
OT - Re: Linux Gaming - Linux, the Numbers
I have to pipe up here and offer up a small story. I truly intend this to be humorous. I have to admit, I'm not into gaming. But, normally I don't criticize those who are and I understand the attraction it has for some. We all have things we enjoy and I'm just an old fuddy duddy who sometimes just doesn't get it. I watched some of the curling competition on the winter olympics this past year, learned a little about the sport and generally formed the opinion that it reminded me of shuffleboard on valium. I thought there couldn't be anything more boring save watching grass grow or ice melt, until today. I saw a kid almost jumping out of his skin playing video curling on a wii. I couldn't believe my eyes. Video sports... baseball, football, golf, basketball... but video curling? That took the cake. I walked away in head shaking mode after I saw that. I know... I'm just too old. I'm sorry. As I said... I intend this to give some of you a chuckle. ;-) Tim B. From: Stephen P Rufle stephen.p.ru...@cox.net To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 4:42:19 PM Subject: Linux Gaming - Linux, the Numbers These guys recently ported their game Osmos to Linux Linux, the Numbers http://www.hemispheregames.com/2010/06/23/linux-the-numbers/ Sounds like it was worth it from the article. Anyone play this game? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Crackabiltiy of OpenSSL, GPG, bcrypt and scrypt
John Viega is probably one of the leading authorities on the vulnerabilities regarding SSL. I used to have his book (signed of course), but that's another story. For those who may be interested, http://www.infibeam.com/Books/info/John-Viega/Network-Security-with-Open-SSL/059600270X.html It's an O'Rielly. t From: Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com To: gm5...@gmail.com; Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 7:23:49 PM Subject: Re: Crackabiltiy of OpenSSL, GPG, bcrypt and scrypt On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 7:36 AM, gk gm5...@gmail.com wrote: I hope I am making an apples to apples comparison. I'm not talking about Debian's mess up awhile back. Nor am I talking about something that was flying around Debian's mailing list for OpenSSL, FUSE/ENCFS and AES ciphers. I'm talking overall. Which is the most stable, has the highest probability of not be broken in our lifetimes (20 yrs). Mainly I'm trying to center in on file management, not email. GPG is good for email, but I find that using OpenSSL is actually easier because it is by default installed on *nix boxen, AND is VERY VERY easily installed on M$ products compared to the massive hoops that have to be done for GPG on the later that even a well versed Linux user would be pressed to install right. scrypt claims it is much more difficult in its derivations than bcrypt which is 448 bit Blowfish. Thereby saying it is harder to crack. However, I can not find anything on scrypt that says what type of encryption method it uses much less bit value. So if you had a face off between OpenSSL, GPG and scrypt for file encryption. Let me say bcrypt has some funky responses once in a while to extra large files, ie 4gb. Which to use? gk -- Remember, it's not that we have something to hide; it's that we have nothing to show. --Keep tunneling. I would have to take the openssl road here! Of course, maintaining the most recent stable version and upgrading when security issues are found are required of all code or systems tools management. We are not even going to begin to discuss that entropy remains broken. -- Office: (480)307-8707 ATT: (503)754-4452 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: power supply
I'll tell you this. There are a lot of unscrupulous vendors out there that sell power supplies that DO NOT have United Labratories testing ratings. Beware of these. In my opinion, they are nothing but smoke generators. Make sure anything you buy has a UL testing seal. My $0.02. t From: Eric Cope eric.c...@gmail.com To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sat, June 19, 2010 8:53:46 PM Subject: Re: power supply I've heard Antec are the best. I always check Newegg reviews before I buy. Eric On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: Hey I was wondering what brand name power supply is good. I am looking for around 550 to 650 and was wondering what brand was good and stable. I am not worried about price because my computer components are worth more than save a buck or two. I heard that corsair, antec are good, but again i want a good reliable psu. Also another note i do have a corsair psu that has lasted me for 3 years now, but companies also change over time. -- Nadim HoqueNadim Hoque Computer Systems Engineering The School of Computing, Informatics and Decision Systems Engineering cell: 480-518-6235 nadimho...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
New in Town and Sinking Fast...
Hello Fellow Penguins, My name is Tim Bogart. And I'm in need of some friends right now. I am a long time Linux supporter and I need some help. I have been in Phoenix off and on now for the last 14 months. I have been out of work for 7 of them. I have a toshiba laptop that has just bit the dust. The hard drive seems to have gone south on me, and the cd drive hasn't worked since I bought the machine used in South Carolina a year and a half ago. I need a machine to stay connected to the web and get a job. I work Dice, Careerbuilder, Monster, Indeed Jobing.com and jobfox, but can't do anything without a computer. I have very limited funds. I have a good samaritain who is letting me sleep on her couch right now and keeping a roof over my head. Food is my own responsibility. So, my life functions are okay, and I am in good health, and don't need money. But, without a computer, I'm screwed. I need somebody to donate a hard drive or a cd-rom to me to get things working here so I can get on the job boards and find work. I just don't have the money to go and get a new hard drive. Maybe I could do a network install somehow? I don't know. I'm open to suggestions. Another thing I just found out is that I can't use the computers at the library without a local library card, and I can't get one of those without an electric bill or something else to prove to the library that I am a local person. Apparently they don't trust the DMV because while I've been here I have gotten my vehicle registered in Arizona and have turned my WV drivers license in for an AZ license. Oh well. Anyway, if anybody has any ideas or is in a position to help me, please call me on my cell phone at 281 450 2763. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Oh, and BTW... the lady who is letting me sleep on her couch has made it clear that using her computer is definately not a permanent option, so if you have a suggestion, or can help...call. Sending me an email will result in the suggestion sitting there until I can somehow get on a computer again. Maybe somebody out there has enough parts laying around to cobble something together or help me do it. Thanks ever so much, everybody. Tim Bogart Want to read about a couple of my contributions? (Yes, I'm the guy who started the OS presence at FOSE in DC.) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/00/04/21/1044236/Linux-And-The-G-Men-FOSE-2000?art_pos=7 I'm also published ... http://www.informit.com/library/content.aspx?b=red_hat_linux7seqNum=4 --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
