Re: Another reason for Linux.
Of course linux apps that is... Lynn On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:20 PM, unixprgrm...@gmail.com < unixprgrm...@gmail.com> wrote: > The question we need to ask ourselves is what apps are out there that would > do the same jobs better, cheaper, and above all more securely? Is there an > entrepreneurial opportunity here? > > Lynn > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > >> Here's one better: >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2011/10/18/son_of_stuxnet_**disclovered/<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/18/son_of_stuxnet_disclovered/> >> >> The stuxnet equivalent running amok in _our_ scada systems. >> >> Scada systems (municipal water and sewage systems) of various >> municipalities can be a bit scary, usually just a bunch of old win2k boxes >> with serial gadgetry applied to talk to plc's and serial devices off in a >> corner somewhere on a schedule and feed data back. Sometimes firewalls >> actually get involved, but otherwise a veritable breeding ground for these >> kinds of viruses. I suppose turnabout is fair play for us, but thank you >> windows for letting them. >> >> Question is, do any of these vendors even consider linux or are entirely >> locked into ms? I bet Iran doesn't any more. >> >> -mb >> >> >> >> On 10/19/2011 09:16 AM, Tom Ostlund wrote: >> >>> consider all the checkouts at the grocery stores are running windows >>> underneath the hood and you might switch back to cash for everything >>> again... >>> >>> They probably all have IE6 on them as well considering why would they >>> update? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/19/2011 09:11 AM, keith smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Very Scary! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keith Smith >>>> >>>> --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Alex Dean wrote: >>>> >>>> From: Alex Dean >>>> Subject: Re: Another reason for Linux. >>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion >>>> list" >>>> > >>>> Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 6:44 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:30 PM, keith smith wrote: >>>> >>>> Son of Stuxnet? Researchers Warn of Impending Cyber Attack >>>>> >>>>> Stuxnet was a highly sophisticated computer worm that was discovered >>>>> last year and was thought to have successfully targeted and disrupted >>>>> systems at a nuclear enrichment plant in Iran. >>>>> >>>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/**stuxnet-returns-duqu-** >>>>> researchers-warn-similar-**cyber-attack/story?id=14763854<http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stuxnet-returns-duqu-researchers-warn-similar-cyber-attack/story?id=14763854> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stuxnet is a computer worm discovered in June 2010. It targets >>>>> Siemens industrial software and equipment running Microsoft Windows. >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Stuxnet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Great summary of the whole Stuxnet saga: >>>> http://www.ted.com/talks/**ralph_langner_cracking_** >>>> stuxnet_a_21st_century_**cyberweapon.html<http://www.ted.com/talks/ralph_langner_cracking_stuxnet_a_21st_century_cyberweapon.html> >>>> >>>> --**- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --**- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>>> >>> --**- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>> >>> >>> --**- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >> > > > > -- > Best Regards, > Lynn P. Tilby > UNIX Consultant > Ph: 480 632-8633 > unixprgrm...@gmail.com > > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby UNIX Consultant Ph: 480 632-8633 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Another reason for Linux.
The question we need to ask ourselves is what apps are out there that would do the same jobs better, cheaper, and above all more securely? Is there an entrepreneurial opportunity here? Lynn On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Michael Butash wrote: > Here's one better: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/**2011/10/18/son_of_stuxnet_**disclovered/<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/18/son_of_stuxnet_disclovered/> > > The stuxnet equivalent running amok in _our_ scada systems. > > Scada systems (municipal water and sewage systems) of various > municipalities can be a bit scary, usually just a bunch of old win2k boxes > with serial gadgetry applied to talk to plc's and serial devices off in a > corner somewhere on a schedule and feed data back. Sometimes firewalls > actually get involved, but otherwise a veritable breeding ground for these > kinds of viruses. I suppose turnabout is fair play for us, but thank you > windows for letting them. > > Question is, do any of these vendors even consider linux or are entirely > locked into ms? I bet Iran doesn't any more. > > -mb > > > > On 10/19/2011 09:16 AM, Tom Ostlund wrote: > >> consider all the checkouts at the grocery stores are running windows >> underneath the hood and you might switch back to cash for everything >> again... >> >> They probably all have IE6 on them as well considering why would they >> update? >> >> >> >> On 10/19/2011 09:11 AM, keith smith wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Very Scary! >>> >>> >>> >>> Keith Smith >>> >>> --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Alex Dean wrote: >>> >>> From: Alex Dean >>> Subject: Re: Another reason for Linux. >>> To: "Main PLUG discussion >>> list" >>> > >>> Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 6:44 AM >>> >>> >>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 8:30 PM, keith smith wrote: >>> >>> Son of Stuxnet? Researchers Warn of Impending Cyber Attack >>>> >>>> Stuxnet was a highly sophisticated computer worm that was discovered >>>> last year and was thought to have successfully targeted and disrupted >>>> systems at a nuclear enrichment plant in Iran. >>>> >>>> http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/**stuxnet-returns-duqu-** >>>> researchers-warn-similar-**cyber-attack/story?id=14763854<http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stuxnet-returns-duqu-researchers-warn-similar-cyber-attack/story?id=14763854> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stuxnet is a computer worm discovered in June 2010. It targets >>>> Siemens industrial software and equipment running Microsoft Windows. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Stuxnet<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Great summary of the whole Stuxnet saga: >>> http://www.ted.com/talks/**ralph_langner_cracking_** >>> stuxnet_a_21st_century_**cyberweapon.html<http://www.ted.com/talks/ralph_langner_cracking_stuxnet_a_21st_century_cyberweapon.html> >>> >>> --**- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --**- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>> >> --**- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >> plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >> >> >> --**- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discuss<http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby UNIX Consultant Ph: 480 632-8633 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: CloudLinux
For all the great technological walls that are possible, there is one
problem that has not yet been overcome, that is the human factor problem
("only those who are interested are going to delay their busy schedules to
stop and see what is going on"). It only takes one person to make a mistake
while half asleep working on a 3am page to compromise the best technical
security, or someone intentionally doing something wrong just to get back at
someone else, or worst of all, some naive person manipulated into doing
something completely innocent that compromises security (physical or
technical) so as to open a virtual door long enough for someone else to do
just one thing. These scenarios are real in the real world. If you find a
solution, do the world a favor, don't advertise the fact, just implement
it. Keep the bad guys wondering why their human factor cracking is failing.
Lynn
P.S. I welcome replies. This is one subject that is certainly worth
discussing in this forum.
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:45 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2010, unixprgrm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Cloud computing is like having sex in Time Square. Everything is viewable
>> to everyone, but only those who are interested are going to delay their busy
>> schedules to stop and see what is going on.
>>
>
> As far as encryption goes, cracking it is only a matter of time and
>> computing power. You may not be able to crack it in an amount time that
>> makes the data usable or valuable; but, it is only a matter of time, before
>> computing power & cracking algorithms catch up and allow you to crack in
>> seconds what was previously uncrackable in decades.
>>
>
> 'CloudLinux', the CentOS downstream fork is not cloud computing, although
> in their marketing puffery, they position themselves as:
>'CloudLinux is the only commercially supported OS
>designed specifically for the service provider market'
>-- http://www.cloudlinux.com/solutions/compare/
>
> I call B*ll sh*t
>
> http://www.cloudlinux.com/support/index.php
>
>Serverity [sic; thus in the original] 1
>2 Buiness [sic] days ...
>
> where:
>
> Severity One (Urgent)
> Catastrophic - OMG help me now. Includes loss of production, data and no
> workaround, major security breach.
>
> I'd be embarrased to have written that (putting to one side the spelling
> errors)
>
>
> PMman time to self-recovery is minutes to having the DRP back-up
> image fallback spinning and live, and depending on the care the instance
> owner took, and the depth of their purse, later fallback images. If one
> wished to buy 24x7x365, we already have trained staffing in place for 'truck
> roll' to the DC, know our pricing, and will consult and quote to serious
> inquiries. In most instances no truck roll is needed as we maintain out of
> band access to the backside network, have remotely controllable power and
> console access (KVM over IP backhaul to dedicated management servers), and
> there is not much other than re-plugging cables that we cannot do remotely
> ...
>
> --
>
>
> And opinions are like belly-buttons ...
>
> 'Everything is viewable to everyone' is laughably ignorant of the reality
>
> 3DES issued (giving ca 112 bits of symmetric cipher strength) because the
> horizon showed that governmental strength mechanical attacks were 'too
> close'. FIPS 140 is in the -2 update for just this reason, and to comply at
> the highest levels and to surmount obtaining a certification lab's
> 'sign-off' on the same costs on the order of tens of millions of dollars.
> But like RHEL and CentOS a person can obtain results to the FIPS level cited
> without the certification for little more than skull sweat and testing
>
> I just generated a 2048 strength public/private key pair (asymmetrical
> crypto) as the horizon to cracking that is not within my life expectancy.
> the number of atoms in the universe are less than the number of sequential
> stir guesses needed. Frankly, without a defect in the algorithms to permit
> ruling out wide swaths of the key-space, the universe runs out of power
> before current crypto properly done. OTP does not NEED hardware RNG's
> potted in epoxy as the early BellCore reference implementation showed
>
> The cyber ninja swat team operatives getting into the data center need to
> successfully get past:
>- fob based ACL 1
>- fob based ACL 2
>- all the cameras
>- hand geometry ACL 1
>- hand geometry ACL 2
>- outer cage 1 (fob based ACL)
>- inner cage door 1 (key
Re: CloudLinux
Cloud computing is like having sex in Time Square. Everything is viewable to everyone, but only those who are interested are going to delay their busy schedules to stop and see what is going on. As far as encryption goes, cracking it is only a matter of time and computing power. You may not be able to crack it in an amount time that makes the data usable or valuable; but, it is only a matter of time, before computing power & cracking algorithms catch up and allow you to crack in seconds what was previously uncrackable in decades. Lynn On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dan Dubovik wrote: > Hey all, > > Just wondering if any of you have played around with CloudLinux ( > http://cloudlinux.com) and what your thoughts and experiences with it may > have been. > > -- Dan. > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby UNIX Consultant Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: (OT) Re: Killing PLUG softly
l turn. We will decide by our vote. > You can do as I did with Linux, and dip you toe into politics (oooh, what a > nasty word!!! ) by becoming a PRECINCT COMMITTEEMAN in your own neighborhood > (ask me if you want), and share your thoughts with your neighbors to > influence their votes, or you can withdraw into your own Linux world. > > WE make the world that we live in, like it or not. > > lyle > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby UNIX Consultant Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Re: USB Thumb Drive Issues?
Mike, Copying your files to your home directory MAY perpetuate the problem to other USB drives that you plug into that box, it depends on the nature of the problem. If the problem is a virus there is good chance that it will. If you want to do root cause analysis don't reformat your USB drive. If you don't want to spend the time to do the analysis I suggest writing a little program to write binary 0's (NULL's) to the drive a few times to clean it up, then format it as you want. However, note that just by plugging the drive in you may have infected the computer you plugged it into. Again, Good Luck Lynn On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, mike Enriquez wrote: > >> I have a 4GB PNY thumb drive that has issues? It has become "Write >> Protected". It is an Optima pro Attache. I searched the net and nothing >> that I have found has helped me out. >> Has any one in the group had this happen to them and how did you remove >> the write protection. >> I cannot see any special files on it except 2 of my own. >> Any suggestions out there? >> Thanks >> >> Mike Enriquez >> > > Hi Mike! > > There are a load of Window$ type repair suggestions here (Since this is a > known bug in Xp SP2): > > http://www.techspot.com/vb/all/windows/t-18654-USB-Flash-Drive-Write-protection.html > > Linux solutions are going to be basic drive management: > > plug in usb flash drive and mount (if you don't have automouter) > > dmesg to verify the device: > > # dmesg > # mkdir /mnt/usbwork > # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbwork > (it might whine that you didn't specify the type if so:) > # mount -t vfat (or NFS) /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbwork > # cd /mnt/usbwork > Copy off your old files > # cp -r * $HOME > # umount /mnt/usbhome > # fdisk /dev/sda > > Remove all the partitions using the "d" command. > create new partitions using the "n" command (you only really need one big > one) > set the file type "W95 FAT32 (LBA)" (or ext3 if making a bootable Linux > distro) "t" (types will display) > if this is going to hold a distro set the bootable flag "a" > check your work: "p" > save "w" > > Lay on a file system (that matches your file type): > > > mkfs.vfat -I -n USBDRIVE /dev/sda1 > > > Your drive should work now just fine! > > Reference: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346737 > -- > Skype: (623)239-3392 > AT&T: (503)754-4452 > www.obnosis.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: USB Thumb Drive Issues?
Mike, Don't know if you have solved the problem yet but there are a few of ways to view what is ACTUALLY on the drive. These all take advantage of the fact that in UNIX all devices are treated like files and all files 'can' in most circumstances... be treated like devices. mount the drive and then do: cat [full drive path] > /tmp/foo Then do vi /tmp/foo strings [full drive path] | more OR for a MORE detailed view od -c [full drive path] | more There are still other methods but these are 3 of the simplest and give various degrees of detail. All require some time commitment depending on the number files that are hidden etc. etc. Familiarity with directory and file delimiting control/escape chars and the "FILE" structure is helpful. Good luck! Lynn On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, mike Enriquez wrote: > I have a 4GB PNY thumb drive that has issues? It has become "Write > Protected". It is an Optima pro Attache. I searched the net and nothing > that I have found has helped me out. > Has any one in the group had this happen to them and how did you remove > the write protection. > I cannot see any special files on it except 2 of my own. > Any suggestions out there? > Thanks > > Mike Enriquez > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: TSA Secure Flight?
Time to get a private plane... On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Taylor, Kaia wrote: > > I just booked a PHX/Sacramento flight; confirmed, they want that extra > info, AND more money too. > On top of birth date, I had to pay them a "security fee" of $2.50. > > > Regards, > Kaia Taylor > DevSA group -- tis-dco-devsa - jumpword devsa > http://dco-sps.schwab.com/sites/devsa/welcome desk 602-977-5157 pager > 6025785...@vtext.com or white pages All e-mail sent to or from this > address will be received by the Charles Schwab corporate e-mail system > and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the > recipient. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of > Steven A. DuChene > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:54 AM > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: OT: TSA Secure Flight? > > Anyone else get any sort of notice from any airline frequent flyer > programs about some additional information being needed because of some > new "TSA Secure Flight" program? > > It appears airlines will now need date of birth and other information in > order to sell you a ticket. > > All of this extra regulations from TSA or Homeland Security governement > organizations is just getting too much for anyone concerned about > personal privacy issues. > -- > Steven DuChene > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Account of Employee owned IT consulting meeting.
gt; networking groups, this one would be a magnet for undesirable > elements--namely those trying to sell to the valid membership, those who > imagine themselves to be technical professionals, and those looking to > commit fraud. Therefore the association would need effective membership > barriers. > > One employee owned start up that failed in the Valley was AZ Refresh, a web > development community. > > It was also suggested that it would be useful to talk to Ed Nusbaum and > Francine Hardaway about their experience starting AZIPA. > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: SAP Basis Admin position
Is this for a computer scientist or political scientist? Lynn On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jason Hayes wrote: > Just happened across this job posting. > > Don't know anything else about it or the company offering the position, but > thought that someone on the list might find it interesting. > -- > Jason > - > SAP Basis Admin > Location: Phoenix, AZ > Duration: 12 months > > Expert SAP Basis knowledge supporting a large multi-instance environment > - Experience in supporting operating systems such as AIX/LINUX > - Experience in storage management, backup and recovery within an SAP > platform. > - Ability to influence in a matrix environment, demonstrating insight, > tact, > political acumen, and diplomacy skills sufficient to foster effective > relations > and build consensus within operations communities and partners. > > More here: > > http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/c/5/c55d5a1600c2911b5d08a3599879e...@endecaindex&c=1&source=20 > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Need help choosing a C++ STL book
Diddle & Diddle are the BEST book(s) by far Lynn On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Jerry Davis wrote: > After about 20 years, I am now doing C++ programming. Never mind the > reason. > > On amazon, there are something like 13 or so books about C++ STL (Standard > Template Library) > > I went to Borders, and they have none. And they won't get any in so I can > browse. > > I want a book that has a lot of examples, and is an easy read. > > Does anyone know of a good one, off hand that they have used, that could > recommend? > > -- > Hobbit Name: Pimpernel Loamsdown > Registered Linux User: 275424 > K7AZJ > > This email's Fortune: > I don't have an eating problem. I eat. I get fat. I buy > new clothes. > No problem. > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: Most fun in Arizona?
Hey folks... The earth is a biosphere... Form does indeed follow function!!! Lynn On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > if you're into this kind of thing you may also want to check out > Arcosanti: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcosanti > > not sure what the current status of the place is and whether its > open to visitors. -jmz > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:16 PM, R P Herrold wrote: > > On Sat, 16 May 2009, Eric Shubert wrote: > > > >> If you're in the area, you might want to check out Biosphere II > >> (http://www.b2science.org/visitor-tours.html). Haven't done this one > myself. > > > > I considered Biosphere a big fat nothing and with nothing > > around it as a fallback worth seeing [a wasted trip to a > > worthless stop]; much better to stay in town, and take the > > time to spend a half-day at Taliesin West > > > >http://www.franklloydwright.org/t_west.html > > > > If you take the time to read a bit about Frank Lloyd Wright > > and his work first and check out a 'coffee table' book or two > > first, you'll probably be able to convice the tour leader to > > let you 'hang back' and drink in the energy in the building. > > Next trip I'll probably do the 'Behind the Scenes' trip. > > > > I talking my way into being able to self guide this way at > > the Oak Park home of Wright a couple weeks ago, and found that > > well worthwhile. > > > > -- Russ herrold > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: interesting article re. new regulations for internet security professionals
>>> > >>> -- > >>> www.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > >>> "Contradictions do not exist." A. Rand > >>> > >>> --- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >> > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: router opinions wanted
ck out Netgear I've had good luck with them... On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > Total noob wrt networks. I'm about to dive into setting up a home LAN > and could use some opinions/advise/warnings/ideas about routers. Not > sure yet whether the LAN will be wireless or not. > > Any routers to look for? Any to avoid? > > Is it possible to disable a wireless router's transmitter and use it > with cable? I thought I might like to try it as hard wired but > retain the capability of going wireless later. I've run a lot of > searches on this question and haven't seen anything. > > -- > Bob Holtzman > "If you think you're getting free lunch, > check the price of the beer" > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
.cpp linking problem
I am trying to link library xy.a composed of x.o containing function x() and y.o containing function y() with d.o giving executable d I call both x() and y() from d.cpp. When I comment out the function call to y() in d.cpp it links just fine with library xy.a giving executable d BUT when I uncomment the function call to y() I get duplicate variable declaration errors. Note that I need x.o and y.o in a library because I also link them with e.o to give executable e . Both x() and y() are called from both d and e executables. I use the same custom include files in x.o y.o d.o and e.o. I am getting duplicate variable errors from the variables declared in these custom include files. I also include standard include files such as and etc. etc. in all 4 .o's but I don't get duplicate variable errors from these. I am #ifndef ing the entire include file just as is done with etc. What am I doing wrong, that at link time I get duplicate variable errors? Thanks for your help! -- Best Regards, Lynn P. Tilby Ph: 480 632-8635 unixprgrm...@gmail.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
