Accounting software

[Matthew Hughes]

For the person who was asking for accounting software,
This may help for accounting software;
http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/150

and a quick google search came up with this
http://www.aaxnet.com/design/linuxacct.html
which had 36 packages, of which I can't vouch for.

I was looking for personal accounting software some time ago. I used
Moneydance back in the 90's when it was free and it was not to bad. I did
read a euro-magazine like "Linux Format" which did a comparison of
accounting software for the home user. But I don't remember which one
exactly. This was a podcast I like. Hardware issues prevented me from ever
utilizing the information but I saw only some of the possible choices.
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Re: Accounting software.

[jill]

Michael -
With all due respect to the wonderful and helpful people on this list, this 
stuff is best answered by the multitude of business resources out there, not a 
general mailing list.  You are correct that you need to worry about 
liabilities, you also need to worry about how your business may be taxed, 
regulated, all kinds of things.  There probably are people here who can answer 
some of that stuff, but if you're basing the success and operation of a 
business on these questions it's worth using the resources that are out there.

For example, the SBA has a division called SCORE, where professionals volunteer 
their time to mentor small businesses and start-ups on exactly these questions. 
 PLUG can't teach you how to do whatever it is you decide you want your 
business to do, and neither can they, but they can help you decide or find 
resources for some of the other questions and decisions about the 
business/finance/legal stuff.  http://www.scorearizona.org/ I'm really happy 
with my SCORE mentor personally, they're worth checking out.

Best of luck.

- Jill

On 2012-04-27 06:41, Michael Havens wrote:
> my business is going to be a servic-based business. I will be doing
> secret-shopping and product demonstrations in stores. If someone would
> teach me what I need to do I would really appreciate it. I'm thinkng an
> LLC. I mean who knows what will hiappen if someone gets sick after eating
> something if I prepared it wrong.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> 
> > yeah I heard about quasar on linuxappfinder.com . I wanted to hear
> > some real world opinions. Why would Quasar not befor a home business? (that
> > is what this will be) What is the point of sale module?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
> >
> >> For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar (
> >> http://www.linuxcanada.com).
> >>
> >> It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale
> >> module.
> >>
> >> Professional tool to do a professional job.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >> On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT
> >>> more companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the
> >>> desktop. Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://moneydance.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal
> >>> accounting, not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is
> >>> not worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company
> >>> made it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting
> >>> software.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Your last bet is:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.linuxledgers.com
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ledgersmb.org/
> >>>
> >>> http://sql-ledger.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Good luck installing them!
> >>>
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Re: Accounting software.

[keith smith]

An LLC is seen as a partnership by the IRS unless you ask the IRS to see your 
LLC as an S-Corp.  At least that is the experience I've had.

So if you do not request the IRS see your LLC as a S-Corp you will have to 
report your business earnings or losses on a schedule C.

I would consult an attorney who is well versed in forming LLC's if you are 
planning to form an LLC.  You might spend $500 to form an LLC.  You can do it 
yourself by researching the Arizona Revised Statues, however there is always 
that one little detail that is overlooked that can become a big deal down the 
road.  



Keith Smith

--- On Thu, 4/26/12, Eric Cope  wrote:

From: Eric Cope 
Subject: Re: Accounting software.
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 11:47 PM

For tax purposes, LLCs and S-Corp are the same. I've heard S-Corps have 
stronger corporate veils... YMMV. You can do all the leg work yourself, but its 
probably worth paying someone to jockey around for you the forms and teach you 
the intervals to submit all the silly paperwork to ADoR and the IRS. See if you 
can find an accountant in your area to help. I'd expect the costs to be 
$300-500. The paperwork, ads, etc will be $200-300 doing it yourself.



Good luck!

Eric

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:


my business is going to be a servic-based business. I will be doing 
secret-shopping and product demonstrations in stores. If someone would teach me 
what I need to do I would really appreciate it. I'm thinkng an LLC. I mean who 
knows what will hiappen if someone gets sick after eating something if I 
prepared it wrong.





On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:




yeah I heard about quasar on linuxappfinder.com . I wanted to hear some 
real world opinions. Why would Quasar not befor a home business? (that is what 
this will be) What is the point of sale module?






On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:





For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar 
(http://www.linuxcanada.com).
It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale module.
Professional tool to do a professional job.
Kevin
On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:





Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
 
 
If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT more 
companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the desktop. 
Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.






 
http://moneydance.com/ 
 
Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal accounting, 
not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.






 
GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is not 
worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
 
I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company made it 
gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting software. 






 
Your last bet is: 
 
http://www.linuxledgers.com
http://www.ledgersmb.org/
http://sql-ledger.com/
 
Good luck installing them!
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Re: Accounting software.

[Eric Cope]

For tax purposes, LLCs and S-Corp are the same. I've heard S-Corps have
stronger corporate veils... YMMV. You can do all the leg work yourself, but
its probably worth paying someone to jockey around for you the forms and
teach you the intervals to submit all the silly paperwork to ADoR and the
IRS. See if you can find an accountant in your area to help. I'd expect the
costs to be $300-500. The paperwork, ads, etc will be $200-300 doing it
yourself.

Good luck!

Eric

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> my business is going to be a servic-based business. I will be doing
> secret-shopping and product demonstrations in stores. If someone would
> teach me what I need to do I would really appreciate it. I'm thinkng an
> LLC. I mean who knows what will hiappen if someone gets sick after eating
> something if I prepared it wrong.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
>
>> yeah I heard about quasar on linuxappfinder.com . I wanted to hear
>> some real world opinions. Why would Quasar not befor a home business? (that
>> is what this will be) What is the point of sale module?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Fries wrote:
>>
>>> For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar (
>>> http://www.linuxcanada.com).
>>>
>>> It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale
>>> module.
>>>
>>> Professional tool to do a professional job.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>> On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT
>>>> more companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the
>>>> desktop. Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://moneydance.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal
>>>> accounting, not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is
>>>> not worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company
>>>> made it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your last bet is:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.linuxledgers.com
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ledgersmb.org/
>>>>
>>>> http://sql-ledger.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good luck installing them!
>>>>
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Re: Accounting software.

[Michael Havens]

my business is going to be a servic-based business. I will be doing
secret-shopping and product demonstrations in stores. If someone would
teach me what I need to do I would really appreciate it. I'm thinkng an
LLC. I mean who knows what will hiappen if someone gets sick after eating
something if I prepared it wrong.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:

> yeah I heard about quasar on linuxappfinder.com . I wanted to hear
> some real world opinions. Why would Quasar not befor a home business? (that
> is what this will be) What is the point of sale module?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:
>
>> For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar (
>> http://www.linuxcanada.com).
>>
>> It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale
>> module.
>>
>> Professional tool to do a professional job.
>>
>> Kevin
>> On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT
>>> more companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the
>>> desktop. Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://moneydance.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal
>>> accounting, not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is
>>> not worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company
>>> made it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting
>>> software.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your last bet is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.linuxledgers.com
>>>
>>> http://www.ledgersmb.org/
>>>
>>> http://sql-ledger.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck installing them!
>>>
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Re: Accounting software.

[Michael Havens]

yeah I heard about quasar on linuxappfinder.com . I wanted to hear some
real world opinions. Why would Quasar not befor a home business? (that is
what this will be) What is the point of sale module?

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kevin Fries  wrote:

> For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar (
> http://www.linuxcanada.com).
>
> It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale
> module.
>
> Professional tool to do a professional job.
>
> Kevin
> On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT more
>> companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the desktop.
>> Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://moneydance.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal
>> accounting, not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.
>>
>>
>>
>> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is
>> not worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
>>
>>
>>
>> I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company
>> made it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting
>> software.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your last bet is:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.linuxledgers.com
>>
>> http://www.ledgersmb.org/
>>
>> http://sql-ledger.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> Good luck installing them!
>>
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Re: Accounting software.

[Eric Cope]

Thats exactly what I do. I develop on a Macbook Pro, but Quickbooks for Mac
is decades behind Quickbooks for Windows. So, I run Quickbooks 2007 inside
a Virtualbox VM running Windows XP. Then, I was able to bring in my
quickbooks file to my accountant for taxes on a thumb drive and be prepared.

On a side note, Quickbooks does support a Linux host for their multi-user
platforms. In fact, if you google "quickbooks FreeBSD" my old blog still
ranks #1 :) - a side-side note - I had forgotten how to do it, but Google
reminded me of it :)

Eric

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Derek Trotter wrote:

>  I also dislike windows, but have no opinion of quickbooks.
>
> I would suggest to anyone starting a business that they use linux for
> everything they can.  Also they should use vmware or some similar
> virtualization app plus windows for any software they absolutely must have
> that does not run on linux or does not have a suitable linux equivalent.
> That way the new small business owner can use windows for quickbooks plus
> use linux for everything else.  Also it would make backing up the windows
> installation easier.  Just copy  the one file your virtualization software
> uses for the windows hard drive.
>
> I'm thinking this would work.  Is there something I'm missing?
>
>
> On 4/26/2012 21:30, Eric Cope wrote:
>
> I know you asked for free and Linux, but if you are serious about starting a 
> business, you should consider Quickbooks. I think it's obnoxious, but I can 
> take my Quickbooks file to any accountant and they can update, analyze, 
> and/or correct it as necessary. You can find cheap older versions on 
> Craigslist or eBay.
>
> I despise recommending Quickbooks AND windows, but it's  been the right tool, 
> which is more important to me.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Eric
>
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Nathan England  
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I appreciate the info and the quick lesson. I found the program extremely 
> unintuitive, but double-entry accounting completely escapes me!
>
> On Thursday, April 26, 2012 19:07:20 Matt Graham wrote:
>
>  From: Nathan England  
>
>  http://moneydance.com/
> Is by far the best, though it is not free
>
>  The OP said he was looking for free stuff. I guess this might work if
> you're willing to pay them whatever yearly fee they're charging now.
>
>
>  GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it
> is not worth the time or hassle.
>
>  Seriously? I started using GNUcash in 2000, when the documentation was
> barely there. I've never had any formal accounting training, and I figured
> it all out pretty quickly. The double-entry bookkeeping that GNUcash uses
> makes it really easy to see how much you've spent from date X to date Y on
> (category of expenses), and it'll track stocks/bonds/mutual funds if you
> install Finance::Quote.
>
> Take a look at the basic 
> help,http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-help/help.html , and see if 
> anything
> in the advanced help ,http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html 
> is interesting.
>
> The thing to do when setting up GNUcash is to start out your checking
> account opening balance with the opening balance on the first of (month),
> then just enter all the income/expenses from then til today that are on
> your bank statement. Start your cash in wallet opening balance with the
> bills in your wallet. *DON'T* try to enter everything you have records of,
> just pick a start date.[0] Then spend 5 minutes every day recording what
> you spent that day and what you spent it on. It should become second
> nature pretty quickly.
>
> If you're going somewhere without your computer[1], one way to keep records
> is to write down how much cash is in your wallet right before you leave,
> and call that X. Then write down how much is in there when you get back,
> and call that Y. Take (X - Y) and charge that to
> Expenses:Entertainment:Travel [2] with a description of "trip to
> $SOMEWHERE". Debit card/whatever charges will show up on your bank's page
> and you can just enter those numbers when you get back.
>
> If you're really hardcore, you can 
> readhttp://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-regis
> ters-multiaccount2 , so you can split every grocery/restaurant bill into
> "bill" and "sales tax". Then at the end of the year/month, you can complain
> about how the government's wasting your $XXX.YY on $THINGS_YOU_DONT_LIKE .
>
> [0] Accountants, feel free to gasp in horror here.
> [1] I know, that's crazy talk, man.
> [2] The default setup should create a bunch of expense accounts like that.
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Re: Accounting software.

[Derek Trotter]

I also dislike windows, but have no opinion of quickbooks.

I would suggest to anyone starting a business that they use linux for 
everything they can.  Also they should use vmware or some similar 
virtualization app plus windows for any software they absolutely must 
have that does not run on linux or does not have a suitable linux 
equivalent.  That way the new small business owner can use windows for 
quickbooks plus use linux for everything else.  Also it would make 
backing up the windows installation easier.  Just copy  the one file 
your virtualization software uses for the windows hard drive.


I'm thinking this would work.  Is there something I'm missing?

On 4/26/2012 21:30, Eric Cope wrote:

I know you asked for free and Linux, but if you are serious about starting a 
business, you should consider Quickbooks. I think it's obnoxious, but I can 
take my Quickbooks file to any accountant and they can update, analyze, and/or 
correct it as necessary. You can find cheap older versions on Craigslist or 
eBay.

I despise recommending Quickbooks AND windows, but it's  been the right tool, 
which is more important to me.

Good luck!

Eric

On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Nathan England  wrote:




I appreciate the info and the quick lesson. I found the program extremely 
unintuitive, but double-entry accounting completely escapes me!

On Thursday, April 26, 2012 19:07:20 Matt Graham wrote:

From: Nathan England


http://moneydance.com/
Is by far the best, though it is not free

The OP said he was looking for free stuff. I guess this might work if
you're willing to pay them whatever yearly fee they're charging now.


GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it
is not worth the time or hassle.

Seriously? I started using GNUcash in 2000, when the documentation was
barely there. I've never had any formal accounting training, and I figured
it all out pretty quickly. The double-entry bookkeeping that GNUcash uses
makes it really easy to see how much you've spent from date X to date Y on
(category of expenses), and it'll track stocks/bonds/mutual funds if you
install Finance::Quote.

Take a look at the basic help,
http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-help/help.html , and see if anything
in the advanced help ,
http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html is interesting.

The thing to do when setting up GNUcash is to start out your checking
account opening balance with the opening balance on the first of (month),
then just enter all the income/expenses from then til today that are on
your bank statement. Start your cash in wallet opening balance with the
bills in your wallet. *DON'T* try to enter everything you have records of,
just pick a start date.[0] Then spend 5 minutes every day recording what
you spent that day and what you spent it on. It should become second
nature pretty quickly.

If you're going somewhere without your computer[1], one way to keep records
is to write down how much cash is in your wallet right before you leave,
and call that X. Then write down how much is in there when you get back,
and call that Y. Take (X - Y) and charge that to
Expenses:Entertainment:Travel [2] with a description of "trip to
$SOMEWHERE". Debit card/whatever charges will show up on your bank's page
and you can just enter those numbers when you get back.

If you're really hardcore, you can read
http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-regis
ters-multiaccount2 , so you can split every grocery/restaurant bill into
"bill" and "sales tax". Then at the end of the year/month, you can complain
about how the government's wasting your $XXX.YY on $THINGS_YOU_DONT_LIKE .

[0] Accountants, feel free to gasp in horror here.
[1] I know, that's crazy talk, man.
[2] The default setup should create a bunch of expense accounts like that.

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Re: Accounting software.

[Eric Cope]

I know you asked for free and Linux, but if you are serious about starting a 
business, you should consider Quickbooks. I think it's obnoxious, but I can 
take my Quickbooks file to any accountant and they can update, analyze, and/or 
correct it as necessary. You can find cheap older versions on Craigslist or 
eBay. 

I despise recommending Quickbooks AND windows, but it's  been the right tool, 
which is more important to me. 

Good luck!

Eric

On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Nathan England  wrote:

>  
>  
> I appreciate the info and the quick lesson. I found the program extremely 
> unintuitive, but double-entry accounting completely escapes me!
>  
> On Thursday, April 26, 2012 19:07:20 Matt Graham wrote:
> > From: Nathan England 
> >
> > > http://moneydance.com/
> > > Is by far the best, though it is not free
> >
> > The OP said he was looking for free stuff. I guess this might work if
> > you're willing to pay them whatever yearly fee they're charging now.
> >
> > > GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it
> > > is not worth the time or hassle.
> >
> > Seriously? I started using GNUcash in 2000, when the documentation was
> > barely there. I've never had any formal accounting training, and I figured
> > it all out pretty quickly. The double-entry bookkeeping that GNUcash uses
> > makes it really easy to see how much you've spent from date X to date Y on
> > (category of expenses), and it'll track stocks/bonds/mutual funds if you
> > install Finance::Quote.
> >
> > Take a look at the basic help,
> > http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-help/help.html , and see if anything
> > in the advanced help ,
> > http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html is interesting.
> >
> > The thing to do when setting up GNUcash is to start out your checking
> > account opening balance with the opening balance on the first of (month),
> > then just enter all the income/expenses from then til today that are on
> > your bank statement. Start your cash in wallet opening balance with the
> > bills in your wallet. *DON'T* try to enter everything you have records of,
> > just pick a start date.[0] Then spend 5 minutes every day recording what
> > you spent that day and what you spent it on. It should become second
> > nature pretty quickly.
> >
> > If you're going somewhere without your computer[1], one way to keep records
> > is to write down how much cash is in your wallet right before you leave,
> > and call that X. Then write down how much is in there when you get back,
> > and call that Y. Take (X - Y) and charge that to
> > Expenses:Entertainment:Travel [2] with a description of "trip to
> > $SOMEWHERE". Debit card/whatever charges will show up on your bank's page
> > and you can just enter those numbers when you get back.
> >
> > If you're really hardcore, you can read
> > http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-regis
> > ters-multiaccount2 , so you can split every grocery/restaurant bill into
> > "bill" and "sales tax". Then at the end of the year/month, you can complain
> > about how the government's wasting your $XXX.YY on $THINGS_YOU_DONT_LIKE .
> >
> > [0] Accountants, feel free to gasp in horror here.
> > [1] I know, that's crazy talk, man.
> > [2] The default setup should create a bunch of expense accounts like that.
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> Regards,
>  
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>  
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Re: Accounting software.

[Nathan England]

I appreciate the info and the quick lesson. I found the program extremely 
unintuitive, but double-entry accounting completely escapes me!

On Thursday, April 26, 2012 19:07:20 Matt Graham wrote:
> From: Nathan England 
> 
> > http://moneydance.com/
> > Is by far the best, though it is not free
> 
> The OP said he was looking for free stuff.  I guess this might work if
> you're willing to pay them whatever yearly fee they're charging now.
> 
> > GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it
> > is not worth the time or hassle.
> 
> Seriously?  I started using GNUcash in 2000, when the documentation was
> barely there.  I've never had any formal accounting training, and I figured
> it all out pretty quickly.  The double-entry bookkeeping that GNUcash uses
> makes it really easy to see how much you've spent from date X to date Y on
> (category of expenses), and it'll track stocks/bonds/mutual funds if you
> install Finance::Quote.
> 
> Take a look at the basic help,
> http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-help/help.html , and see if anything
> in the advanced help ,
> http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html is interesting.
> 
> The thing to do when setting up GNUcash is to start out your checking
> account opening balance with the opening balance on the first of (month),
> then just enter all the income/expenses from then til today that are on
> your bank statement.  Start your cash in wallet opening balance with the
> bills in your wallet.  *DON'T* try to enter everything you have records of,
> just pick a start date.[0]  Then spend 5 minutes every day recording what
> you spent that day and what you spent it on.  It should become second
> nature pretty quickly.
> 
> If you're going somewhere without your computer[1], one way to keep records
> is to write down how much cash is in your wallet right before you leave,
> and call that X.  Then write down how much is in there when you get back,
> and call that Y.  Take (X - Y) and charge that to
> Expenses:Entertainment:Travel [2] with a description of "trip to
> $SOMEWHERE".  Debit card/whatever charges will show up on your bank's page
> and you can just enter those numbers when you get back.
> 
> If you're really hardcore, you can read
> http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-regis
> ters-multiaccount2 , so you can split every grocery/restaurant bill into
> "bill" and "sales tax". Then at the end of the year/month, you can complain
> about how the government's wasting your $XXX.YY on $THINGS_YOU_DONT_LIKE .
> 
> [0] Accountants, feel free to gasp in horror here.
> [1] I know, that's crazy talk, man.
> [2] The default setup should create a bunch of expense accounts like that.
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Re: Accounting software.

[Matt Graham]

From: Nathan England 
> http://moneydance.com/ 
> Is by far the best, though it is not free

The OP said he was looking for free stuff.  I guess this might work if you're
willing to pay them whatever yearly fee they're charging now.

> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it
> is not worth the time or hassle.

Seriously?  I started using GNUcash in 2000, when the documentation was barely
there.  I've never had any formal accounting training, and I figured it all
out pretty quickly.  The double-entry bookkeeping that GNUcash uses makes it
really easy to see how much you've spent from date X to date Y on (category of
expenses), and it'll track stocks/bonds/mutual funds if you install
Finance::Quote.

Take a look at the basic help,
http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-help/help.html , and see if anything in
the advanced help , http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/index.html is
interesting.

The thing to do when setting up GNUcash is to start out your checking account
opening balance with the opening balance on the first of (month), then just
enter all the income/expenses from then til today that are on your bank
statement.  Start your cash in wallet opening balance with the bills in your
wallet.  *DON'T* try to enter everything you have records of, just pick a
start date.[0]  Then spend 5 minutes every day recording what you spent that
day and what you spent it on.  It should become second nature pretty quickly.

If you're going somewhere without your computer[1], one way to keep records is
to write down how much cash is in your wallet right before you leave, and call
that X.  Then write down how much is in there when you get back, and call that
Y.  Take (X - Y) and charge that to Expenses:Entertainment:Travel [2] with a
description of "trip to $SOMEWHERE".  Debit card/whatever charges will show up
on your bank's page and you can just enter those numbers when you get back.

If you're really hardcore, you can read
http://gnucash.org/docs/v2.4/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-registers-multiaccount2
, so you can split every grocery/restaurant bill into "bill" and "sales tax". 
Then at the end of the year/month, you can complain about how the government's
wasting your $XXX.YY on $THINGS_YOU_DONT_LIKE .

[0] Accountants, feel free to gasp in horror here.
[1] I know, that's crazy talk, man.
[2] The default setup should create a bunch of expense accounts like that.

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Re: Accounting software.

[Kevin Fries]

For small business (not home), I like a package called Quasar (
http://www.linuxcanada.com).

It is free for a single machine that does not require the point of sale
module.

Professional tool to do a professional job.

Kevin
On Apr 26, 2012 5:48 PM, "Nathan England"  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.
>
>
>
>
>
> If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT more
> companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the desktop.
> Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.
>
>
>
> http://moneydance.com/
>
>
>
> Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal
> accounting, not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.
>
>
>
> GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is not
> worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!
>
>
>
> I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company
> made it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting
> software.
>
>
>
> Your last bet is:
>
>
>
> http://www.linuxledgers.com
>
> http://www.ledgersmb.org/
>
> http://sql-ledger.com/
>
>
>
> Good luck installing them!
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Re: Accounting software.

[Nathan England]

Seriously? LibreOffice Calc.


If linux had even a *semi* decent accounting program I believe a LOT more 
companies and individuals would be willing to use linux on the desktop. 
Unfortunately, they all suck. Badly.

http://moneydance.com/ 

Is by far the best, though it is not free and better for personal accounting, 
not for a business. It is getting better at the business side.

GnuCash is an accounting program but it is so complicated to use it is not 
worth the time or hassle. Sorry Mike!

I used one some time ago that was actually really good, but the company made 
it gargantuanly expensive and it competes with Peach Tree accounting software. 

Your last bet is: 

http://www.linuxledgers.com
http://www.ledgersmb.org/
http://sql-ledger.com/

Good luck installing them!

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Re: Accounting software.

[Stephen]

Open Rep was the one that really appealed to me when I did this for my
wife. There was another I also liked but it was windows only. Openerp I
think is windows and linux
On Apr 26, 2012 4:26 PM, "Michael Havens"  wrote:

> I am trying to start a business. What is the best accounting software that
> doesn't cost anything and is available for linux?
>
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Re: FOSS Accounting Software

[Bryan O'Neal]

Xtupple's post books is quite good - but not innately intuitive for a
non inventory based service company. Then again, not much in the
accounting world is. It is client / server on a mysql back end (or
postgress or oracle) and yes it has windows clients. The latest
features come with the pay version, as does support, but the community
edition works great, as does the community. Also source is available.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:23 PM, gm5729  wrote:
>> http://www.nolapro.com/index-5.html
>>
>> Anyone seen this app?
>>
>
> Costs $20 a month
>
> Doesn't qualify as FREE in FOSS, does it?
>
> I don't see any source code available?
>
> I don't see any statement of privacy that would accompany any FOSS online
> hosted app?
>
> Looks more like some kind of hosting (cloud) programming for someones
> accounting vs. them have a local control. This is my best educated
> guess because you have to email them on their web form for assistance.
> I don't see any addresses and is not worth my time at this point.
>
> Yes, you're correct Lisa I don't see any place for source code. Unless
> it is hiding in the tarball, which FWIW I can't seem to download with
> any type of browser or aria2.
>
> FREE as in FOSS doesn't mean you can't charge. Most seem to charge for
> support when they are going to charge. When I started with Linux you
> bought it in the store with a manual. ie. Red Hat, SLES are the usual
> examples. IIRC Canonical has a support option also...  FREE is to mean
> as I can do any thing I want with the code following the licensing for
> mods and distribution with references.
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Re: FOSS Accounting Software

[gm5729]

> http://www.nolapro.com/index-5.html
>
> Anyone seen this app?
>

Costs $20 a month

Doesn't qualify as FREE in FOSS, does it?

I don't see any source code available?

I don't see any statement of privacy that would accompany any FOSS online
hosted app?

Looks more like some kind of hosting (cloud) programming for someones
accounting vs. them have a local control. This is my best educated
guess because you have to email them on their web form for assistance.
I don't see any addresses and is not worth my time at this point.

Yes, you're correct Lisa I don't see any place for source code. Unless
it is hiding in the tarball, which FWIW I can't seem to download with
any type of browser or aria2.

FREE as in FOSS doesn't mean you can't charge. Most seem to charge for
support when they are going to charge. When I started with Linux you
bought it in the store with a manual. ie. Red Hat, SLES are the usual
examples. IIRC Canonical has a support option also...  FREE is to mean
as I can do any thing I want with the code following the licensing for
mods and distribution with references.

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Re: FOSS Accounting Software

[Lisa Kachold]

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:04 AM, gm5729  wrote:

> http://www.nolapro.com/index-5.html
>
> Anyone seen this app?
>

Costs $20 a month

Doesn't qualify as FREE in FOSS, does it?

I don't see any source code available?

I don't see any statement of privacy that would accompany any FOSS online
hosted app?


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Re: FOSS Accounting Software

[Kevin Fries]

On 01/10/2011 10:04 AM, gm5729 wrote:

http://www.nolapro.com/index-5.html

Anyone seen this app?
Never looked at that one, would be interested to see people's 
impressions.  The one I have always used was


http://www.linuxcanada.com

Even my CPA goes "This is free?" of course followed by "Is there a 
Windows version", followed by sadness when he finds out the answer is 
no.  I have actually used this application when I was running my own 
consulting business, and it worked great.  The only thing that costs is 
the retail module, and even then, its pretty cheap.  Best ROI I have 
ever found.


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FOSS Accounting Software

[gm5729]

http://www.nolapro.com/index-5.html

Anyone seen this app?

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RE: GPL Accounting software

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 16:32 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> If nothing else thanks for the Web ERP mention.  It's not like I
> posted my research to spur discussion (bad community member). Truth is
> there are tons of good open source ticketing/project
> management/CRM/Accounting/ and even ERP software out their!  I am
> quite excited.

I can tell you that it had specific features that this client needed...

- special pricing per customer

- multi-location inventory

Personally, I am encouraged by the fact that it is fully GPL and not
just captive to a corporate support plan which I found common in many
others.

I also can tell you that it is still under active development and I
found a couple of small bugs that were fixed in minutes which I found
encouraging. I have on outstanding problem but am pretty zeroed in on it
at this moment and could probably adjust the php code myself but I'm not
fully up to speed on their coding style and my own php skills languished
once I discovered RoR.  ;-)

Craig


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RE: GPL Accounting software

[Bryan O'Neal]

If nothing else thanks for the Web ERP mention.  It's not like I posted my
research to spur discussion (bad community member). Truth is there are tons
of good open source ticketing/project management/CRM/Accounting/ and even
ERP software out their!  I am quite excited.

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On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 15:56 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> I was looking at Web ERP However it did not make my top five.  Do you
> have a comparison to say Compiere, OpenERP, Opentaps, or more specific
> to accounting Postbooks from Xtuple or OpenBravo?  I would love to
> know why you choose Open ERP and if I should revisit it. After all
> resarching on the web and actualy using it (which I have not) are two
> entierly difrent things.
>
>
> Being an accountant I am very interested in your opinions.

I've not checked out those others, sorry

Craig

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RE: GPL Accounting software

[Craig White]

On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 15:56 -0700, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> I was looking at Web ERP However it did not make my top five.  Do you
> have a comparison to say Compiere, OpenERP, Opentaps, or more specific
> to accounting Postbooks from Xtuple or OpenBravo?  I would love to
> know why you choose Open ERP and if I should revisit it. After all
> resarching on the web and actualy using it (which I have not) are two
> entierly difrent things.
> 
> 
> Being an accountant I am very interested in your opinions.

I've not checked out those others, sorry

Craig


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RE: GPL Accounting software

[Bryan O'Neal]

I was looking at Web ERP However it did not make my top five.  Do you have a
comparison to say Compiere, OpenERP, Opentaps, or more specific to
accounting Postbooks from Xtuple or OpenBravo?  I would love to know why you
choose Open ERP and if I should revisit it. After all resarching on the web
and actualy using it (which I have not) are two entierly difrent things.

Being an accountant I am very interested in your opinions.

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Subject: GPL Accounting software

Just thought I would make list aware of a GPL accounting package that I am
implementing for a client.

webERP

http://www.weberp.org

I have imported virtually everything from his existing software as a
test...customers, inventory, pricing, vendors, purchase orders, purchase
order line items, sales orders, sales order line items and it looks like a
go.

Seems to still be under active development and while mysql and php are not
my personal choices, it seems to be a very nice program.

Craig

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GPL Accounting software

[Craig White]

Just thought I would make list aware of a GPL accounting package that I
am implementing for a client.

webERP

http://www.weberp.org

I have imported virtually everything from his existing software as a
test...customers, inventory, pricing, vendors, purchase orders, purchase
order line items, sales orders, sales order line items and it looks like
a go.

Seems to still be under active development and while mysql and php are
not my personal choices, it seems to be a very nice program.

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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[Vaughn Treude]

keith smith wrote:
> I'm not sure what information can be exported to excel.
> 
> I'm test driving the free version which does not allow for exporting 
> your data.
> 
> 

My current 1999 version can export various reports to Excel. With enough 
work you could probably get everything out, and figure out how to get 
them imported into a different accounting program. So I'm being picky, 
but when I said that, I meant I wanted to be able to export 
_everything_, in one command. I do appreciate any info, though.

Vaughn

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> */"der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
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> Am 19. Apr, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:
> 
>  > Thanks for your input. I think what we had discussed 4 ot 6
> months ago was the ability to get one's data out. With the excel
> export I'm guessing this addresses this issue.
> 
> Getting the data out was one of the topics discussed. Do you know if the
> export includes all of the data?
> 
> Another topic was support for a free and open format that does contain
> all of the data. A proprietary binary format clearly does not meet that
> particular requirement.
> 
> Vaughn, the orginal poster in the thread about getting data back
> out, was
> actually complaining about quickbooks.
> 
> Obviously the software works for some people or they'd have no
> customers,
> but several of us on this list are wanting something more than what
> quickbooks provides.
> 
> Something quickbooks has that I haven't yet been able to find with
> GNUcash
> or SMB Ledger is support from accountants.
> 
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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[keith smith]

I'm not sure what information can be exported to excel.

I'm test driving the free version which does not allow for exporting your data.



"der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am 19. Apr, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:

> Thanks for your input.  I think what we had discussed 4 ot 6 months ago was 
> the ability to get one's data out.  With the excel export I'm guessing this 
> addresses this issue.

Getting the data out was one of the topics discussed. Do you know if the
export includes all of the data?

Another topic was support for a free and open format that does contain
all of the data. A proprietary binary format clearly does not meet that
particular requirement.

Vaughn, the orginal poster in the thread about getting data back out, was
actually complaining about quickbooks.

Obviously the software works for some people or they'd have no customers,
but several of us on this list are wanting something more than what
quickbooks provides.

Something quickbooks has that I haven't yet been able to find with GNUcash
or SMB Ledger is support from accountants.

ciao,

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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[Tuna]

I saw something in Linux Format this month. It's called Accountz.

http://accountz.com/

It's not "free" in any sense of the word, but it does run natively on 
Linux. It also imports .QIF files.
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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[der.hans]

Am 19. Apr, 2008 schwätzte keith smith so:


Thanks for your input.  I think what we had discussed 4 ot 6 months ago was the 
ability to get one's data out.  With the excel export I'm guessing this 
addresses this issue.


Getting the data out was one of the topics discussed. Do you know if the
export includes all of the data?

Another topic was support for a free and open format that does contain
all of the data. A proprietary binary format clearly does not meet that
particular requirement.

Vaughn, the orginal poster in the thread about getting data back out, was
actually complaining about quickbooks.

Obviously the software works for some people or they'd have no customers,
but several of us on this list are wanting something more than what
quickbooks provides.

Something quickbooks has that I haven't yet been able to find with GNUcash
or SMB Ledger is support from accountants.

ciao,

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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[keith smith]

Thanks for your input.  I think what we had discussed 4 ot 6 months ago was the 
ability to get one's data out.  With the excel export I'm guessing this 
addresses this issue.

I do understand the marketing model.  It is widely used on the internet.



Joshua Zeidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Keith,

  Before you give Quickbooks a hug, you should be aware that Intuit
has been playing the format game for some time and I would apply a
high level of scrutiny before you make any major decisions.  There was
the OFX issue, which was an open standard (funded in part by M$
actually), that Intuit claimed to support, but in the end changed
their claim to QFX support (is that an 'O' or a 'Q'? :) ).  I know
several people at Intuit and I believe they are sinking their
resources into a SaaS strategy for the future, and I imagine that this
will alienate a certain class of users.  Keep in mind the free
software (as in beer) you're getting from Intuit is designed to get
you on board with their payed products.  Gnucash is a bit more of an
investment but offers a lot more control in the long run.

  I would be interested to know what Simple Start does that GnuCash
doesnt.  Gnucash does support OFX.  In QB's defense there are a lot of
nice functions and reports you get for a reasonable price.  It is
dominant standard on this axis.  If Intuit was a bit more forthright
in thier claims to standards support I would probably use it.

 -jmz


On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:45 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Fellow PLUG Members,
>
> Several months ago we has a discussion  about accounting systems.  One
> concern was not being able to export your data.
>
> I had lunch with a friend who now works at Intuit and he pointed out
> QuickBooks Simple Start.
>
> When I got home I took a look and found it is free.  It runs on Windows
> which is no problem for me since my workstation/desktop is XP. (My
> development server is Linux)  I downloaded the free version and it looks
> like it will do what I need.  For several hundred dollars more I can upgrade
> to a version that will allow me to export data to Excel.
>
> Here is a page for download and the comparison chart.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Possible Accounting Software Solution

[Joshua Zeidner]

Hi Keith,

  Before you give Quickbooks a hug, you should be aware that Intuit
has been playing the format game for some time and I would apply a
high level of scrutiny before you make any major decisions.  There was
the OFX issue, which was an open standard (funded in part by M$
actually), that Intuit claimed to support, but in the end changed
their claim to QFX support (is that an 'O' or a 'Q'? :) ).  I know
several people at Intuit and I believe they are sinking their
resources into a SaaS strategy for the future, and I imagine that this
will alienate a certain class of users.  Keep in mind the free
software (as in beer) you're getting from Intuit is designed to get
you on board with their payed products.  Gnucash is a bit more of an
investment but offers a lot more control in the long run.

  I would be interested to know what Simple Start does that GnuCash
doesnt.  Gnucash does support OFX.  In QB's defense there are a lot of
nice functions and reports you get for a reasonable price.  It is
dominant standard on this axis.  If Intuit was a bit more forthright
in thier claims to standards support I would probably use it.

 -jmz


On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:45 PM, keith smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Fellow PLUG Members,
>
> Several months ago we has a discussion  about accounting systems.  One
> concern was not being able to export your data.
>
> I had lunch with a friend who now works at Intuit and he pointed out
> QuickBooks Simple Start.
>
> When I got home I took a look and found it is free.  It runs on Windows
> which is no problem for me since my workstation/desktop is XP. (My
> development server is Linux)  I downloaded the free version and it looks
> like it will do what I need.  For several hundred dollars more I can upgrade
> to a version that will allow me to export data to Excel.
>
> Here is a page for download and the comparison chart.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Possible Accounting Software Solution

[keith smith]

Hi Fellow PLUG Members,

Several months ago we has a discussion  about accounting systems.  One concern 
was not being able to export your data.

I had lunch with a friend who now works at Intuit and he pointed out QuickBooks 
Simple Start.  

When I got home I took a look and found it is free.  It runs on Windows which 
is no problem for me since my workstation/desktop is XP. (My development server 
is Linux)  I downloaded the free version and it looks like it will do what I 
need.  For several hundred dollars more I can upgrade to a version that will 
allow me to export data to Excel.

Here is a page for download and the comparison chart.   

Keith



 



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Re: Accounting software

[Erich Newell]

Wow. Thank you for the timely post.

I am co-owner of a Montessori School
<http://www.givingtreemontessori.com>that is undergoing expansion and
we were just looking for this very thing!

Thank you Open-Source universe. Thank you.

I'll post feedback on our experience with webERP as things progress!



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wrote:

> It would appear that Hans isn' t the only person looking for a good open
> source accounting package. I just read this article on Linux Journals
> website that talks about a package that may fit the bill .
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> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/accounting-software-geek-ranch
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Re: Accounting software

[Charles Jones]

There's also this one:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar_Accounting

Shawn Badger wrote:
It would appear that Hans isn' t the only person looking for a good 
open source accounting package. I just read this article on Linux 
Journals website that talks about a package that may fit the bill .


http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/accounting-software-geek-ranch




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Accounting software

[Shawn Badger]

It would appear that Hans isn' t the only person looking for a good open
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