Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
You say this like they don't and can't anymore... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811215012 16.9'' x 9.1'' x 27.4'' (L x W x H) at that size it reminds me of the obelisk On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, fouldra...@aol.com wrote: I just disconnected a 1987-model keyboard from my desktop. Not out of any fault of the keyboard, but the PS/2-USB adapter acted wonky (inserting phantom keystrokes). I pine for the days when computers took entire racks and intimidated people. -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. History: An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. --Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! Cut-n-paste from http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=2918235 : -- aaarkieboy 2007-07-08 03:41:05 PM For anyone who still feels a twinge of guilt or regret when pirating a copyrighted work, know this: it is now morally justifiable to pirate music, movies, and books under a tradional analysis of copyright law. The original justification for copyright law was a moral contract between the creator and society: the creator would be entitled to receive a temporary monopoly on the use of that work (i.e., a copyright) in exchange for allowing the work to enter the public domain when the monopoly expired. The concept was fundamentally contractual (although embodied in statues) and had benefits and burdens on both sides, as any enforceable contract requires. This created a win-win situation: the creator benefitted exclusively from the creation for the duration of the copyright (originally 25 years) and society thereafter benefitted as works continually entered the public domain. The creator was enriched during the copyright period and society was enriched in exchange as the body of freely-available, no-longer-copyrighted works continued to grow. But then the system began to break down. Companies like Disney, the RIAA, and the MPAA began to lobby for extensions to the copyright period. Sonny Bono (watch out for the tree, man) and his ilk accepted campaign contributions in exchange for voting to continue extending the period. It is now obvious that current copyrights will never expire -- every time Mickey Mouse gets close to the end of his monopoly period, some future Sonny Bono will do it again. Copyrights have stopped expiring. Now consider what this does to the social contract embodied in copyright law. The contract is now completely one-sided. The copyright owner has all the benefits (perpetual monopoly) and society has none (no growth of works in the public domain). Society has lost its side of the bargain that formed the entire basis for creating this system. Do you know what happens in law when a contract has all benefits on one side and all burdens on the other? It is regarded as unenforceable or illusory. There must be consideration (i.e., an exchange of benefits and burdens) on both sides of a contract as a legal prerequisite to being enforceable. This means that the social contract that embodies copyright law is no longer enforceable. You are morally free to pirate music, movies, anything you want. Of course morality and law are not synonymous. Pirating is still illegal. But it is no longer immoral. And the most interesting part is that Sonny Bono is therefore responsible for destroying the moral weight of copyright law. He eliminated the element of consideration that had previously served as the justification for copyright. Ain't karma a biatch, Sonny? - Sorry for the wall-o-text, but it's kind of interesting. Whether it'd hold up in court is another matter entirely. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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O the "joys" of standing in line to use one of the department's hulking 026 (later 029) keypunches, the tricks of duping a card up to the point where you needed to either add or delete punches and then holding one card while letting the other feed. Heaven forbid if you dropped a 2000 card box or a 3000 card tray and the cards weren't sequenced in cols. 73-80. You learned quickly to sequence by 10s or 20s or even 100s to leave room for the inevitable insertions. It was well into the 70s or early 80s before we trusted tapes and disks enough to give up our trusty file cabinets full of card decks. The binary cards from punched object decks could be folded at one end to make a point, arranged stapled on cardboard in concentric circles (point out), and sprayed gold to make a very pretty Christmas wreath. We still have one tucked away with the old Christmas stuff. Although it's somewhat the worse for wear, it's probably the only one left in existence. Although I wouldn't give anything for the experiences of those days, I wouldn't do them again for anything, either. Mark Jarvis old IBM GE mainframe, 80s PC, and 90s Unix veteran. Lyle Tuttle wrote: At 04:33 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards I am..while the SDS computer system (16K core) ran 5 real-time experiments on the face of the reactor...and another x-ray diffraction counter in another area...careful!! Don't drop those!!! That was a long time ago. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
Ryan Rix wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) Ryan heh, I wouldn't be too depressed. if you have a working knowledge of such items, even when they come along rarely, it'll be much better than if you had no clue (like most young folks these days). You should try working on old tube radios and other such similar items from the 40's to the 70's. Hell, I still have an old 1978 model year reel-to-reel recorder that works. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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my dad has one of those. Or perhaps he got rid of it after he transfered his music to cd. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Technomage technomage.ha...@gmail.comwrote: Hell, I still have an old 1978 model year reel-to-reel recorder that works. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Ok.I have to add to the fun...My first computer was a teletype machine that dialed into a CDC (?) mainframe somewhere. No punch cards, just a paper tape about 2 wide. The only language was Basic. Make a typo, and you had to start all over again from the beginning. My first significant program (outside of homework) was a computer dating service in high school - made a lot of money for the sophomore class. Ok, after all these years I will confess the truth - the program couldn't run because we ran out of memory on the mainframe - too much data and we actually crashed the mainframe at one point. The principal got a phone call and asked me what the heck was going on. So I had to match everyone by hand. Everyone got their current boy friend/girl friend, so the program was a huge success! Those not already dating actually had fun on their blind date. Mark On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Mark Jarvis m.jar...@cox.net wrote: O the joys of standing in line to use one of the department's hulking 026 (later 029) keypunches, the tricks of duping a card up to the point where you needed to either add or delete punches and then holding one card while letting the other feed. Heaven forbid if you dropped a 2000 card box or a 3000 card tray and the cards weren't sequenced in cols. 73-80. You learned quickly to sequence by 10s or 20s or even 100s to leave room for the inevitable insertions. It was well into the 70s or early 80s before we trusted tapes and disks enough to give up our trusty file cabinets full of card decks. The binary cards from punched object decks could be folded at one end to make a point, arranged stapled on cardboard in concentric circles (point out), and sprayed gold to make a very pretty Christmas wreath. We still have one tucked away with the old Christmas stuff. Although it's somewhat the worse for wear, it's probably the only one left in existence. Although I wouldn't give anything for the experiences of those days, I wouldn't do them again for anything, either. Mark Jarvis old IBM GE mainframe, 80s PC, and 90s Unix veteran. Lyle Tuttle wrote: At 04:33 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards I am..while the SDS computer system (16K core) ran 5 real-time experiments on the face of the reactor...and another x-ray diffraction counter in another area...careful!! Don't drop those!!! That was a long time ago. -- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Matt Grahamdanceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: From: Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. History: An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. --Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ Ambrose proves my point. History is so important it will be distorted by those in power to protect their power. Eben Moglen in that talk points out that nearly everyone now thinks the purpose of copyright and patents was to create wealth. This is a distortion or half-truth of history, perpetuated by those who benefit from the distortion. Nearly everyone does not know or think about the full purpose of immigration and the explosion of culture and technology that resulted. The benefit to society is lost in the benefit to the corporations. Perhaps I can rephrase: True history is vastly important. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Technically First was a Custom Made S100 that my dad had created for working from home from spare parts at work, it has a modem that was manually adjusted from 400-9800 baud modem and some weird collection of cards doing things 2 terminals via serial and a pair of 8in floppy drives... was cool looking but made his office look like electronics experiment gone haywire. my first computer was the C64 and a TurboXT 8088 within short order some time later... (cause my dad was tired of me sneaking on his computer to dial into bbs games --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old tech goes... http://www.computerhistory.org/ I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer inside of it and make the lights blink again --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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This is the one i had actually menat to give also: http://www.old-computers.com/news/default.asp On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old tech goes... http://www.computerhistory.org/ I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer inside of it and make the lights blink again -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Stephen wrote: Technically First was a Custom Made S100 that my dad had created for working from home from spare parts at work, it has a modem that was manually adjusted from 400-9800 baud modem and some weird collection of cards doing things 2 terminals via serial and a pair of 8in floppy drives... I'm guessing that it was probably 300-9600 baud (I don't think 400-9800 were valid values). I used to connect to a mainframe at 300 baud for support. Slow, but faster than driving into work. I paid $750 for a 9600 baud modem when they were the fastest available. Ouch! -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old tech goes... http://www.computerhistory.org/ I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer inside of it and make the lights blink again Oh yes!!: 1965: DEC unveils the PDP-8, the first commercially successful minicomputer. Small enough to sit on a desktop, it sells for $18,000 one-fifth the cost of a low-end IBM/360 mainframe. The combination of speed, size, and cost enables the establishment of the minicomputer in thousands of manufacturing plants, offices, and scientific laboratories. lyle --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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It might have, i know the top end of the dial was 9800 (written in pen) but the low end might have been 300) On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Eric Shuberte...@shubes.net wrote: Stephen wrote: Technically First was a Custom Made S100 that my dad had created for working from home from spare parts at work, it has a modem that was manually adjusted from 400-9800 baud modem and some weird collection of cards doing things 2 terminals via serial and a pair of 8in floppy drives... I'm guessing that it was probably 300-9600 baud (I don't think 400-9800 were valid values). I used to connect to a mainframe at 300 baud for support. Slow, but faster than driving into work. I paid $750 for a 9600 baud modem when they were the fastest available. Ouch! -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: True history is vastly important. The trouble here is that history is always written by someone. It is, by definition, an *interpretation* of past events. A history that does nothing but report facts is incomplete and deceptive in its own right. Events have meaning in context, and without that context, the meaning is lost. It's the job of the historian (like a journalist) to present a fair portrait of the events which occurred, and to make an argument about their meaning. Presenting incorrect facts is of course wrong, as is presenting a controversial/unusual interpretation as uncontroversial. I'm not saying you can just make this stuff up, because you can't and informed people won't let you get away with it. But, I think it's only possible to talk about 'true' history if you take a very simplistic view of what a historian does. regards, alex ps - So... history was my field before I got into programming. Fun to see it pop up here. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Having grown up with a historian (by education if not profession) history is only complete when as many people as possible record their thoughts... sadly it is usually the winner the gets to write things down. but like anything else said it is subjective, the skill and art of it is compareing as many different possible views to paint a picture... and even in as honest a representation as we can imagine you and i are still slanted by our own understanding of a series of events even without guile or deciet. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Deana...@crackpot.org wrote: On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: True history is vastly important. The trouble here is that history is always written by someone. It is, by definition, an *interpretation* of past events. A history that does nothing but report facts is incomplete and deceptive in its own right. Events have meaning in context, and without that context, the meaning is lost. It's the job of the historian (like a journalist) to present a fair portrait of the events which occurred, and to make an argument about their meaning. Presenting incorrect facts is of course wrong, as is presenting a controversial/unusual interpretation as uncontroversial. I'm not saying you can just make this stuff up, because you can't and informed people won't let you get away with it. But, I think it's only possible to talk about 'true' history if you take a very simplistic view of what a historian does. regards, alex ps - So... history was my field before I got into programming. Fun to see it pop up here. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I just disconnected a 1987-model keyboard from my desktop. Not out of any fault of the keyboard, but the PS/2-USB adapter acted wonky (inserting phantom keystrokes). I pine for the days when computers took entire racks and intimidated people. -Original Message- From: Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 9:04 pm Subject: RE: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) I had one of those. Dual floppies, and I had visicalc when I was looking to buy my van. When the salesman said he could get my payments down to $200 dollars a month, I took the laptop out, plugged in the $200 and I told him he just cost me $5000 dollars. (over the life of the loan) He fell off his chair !!! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET Can you get me one too? ;) I think i'll be getting one at the end of summer and putting a TMo prepaid card in it. That looks like one heck of a phone. Get a DBoard for it too ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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They don't say what carriers they work with :( On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Openmoko --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Supposedly it works with anything. I have confirmations from T-Mobile and ATT. They do a good job in the mailing list! ET JD Austin writes: They don't say what carriers they work with :( On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Openmoko --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Ryan Rix writes: kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET Can you get me one too? ;) I think i'll be getting one at the end of summer and putting a TMo prepaid card in it. That looks like one heck of a phone. Get a DBoard for it too ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:38 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I have been talking to the Openmoko mailing list, the very CEO (or something like that) personally answered my questions. I did talk to people that have used the phone for months. They say it is reliable, flexible, and will take a USB keyboard! :) It is just a embedded Linux puter with phone capabilities. And a full blown VGA screen (does anybody here remember CGA?) ;-) I'm getting a Neo Freerunner... Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I want to see the cellphone in a pink mini-skirt too! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1234%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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so please don't take the conversation off-list. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:56 PM, mike havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: I want to see the cellphone in a pink mini-skirt too! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-850-spares-kit-dboard_W0QQitemZ280367206156QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147300f0c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1234%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue 7 July 2009 9:54:18 am kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Can you get me one too? ;) Maybe, are you cute enough? Can you send my a picture in a pink miniskirt? ;-P ET Mm, email me offlist ;D lol, yeah, I think the phone works on TMobile, for sure, probably ATT. Just pop the SIM in there. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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My mom Got her data processing Degree and had to program with punch cards when it was part of the Business College... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alan Dayleyala...@consultpros.com wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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anyhow for those who are curious, the USA coverage/compatibility Map http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner Alltel Communications Inc GSM 850/1900 Live ATT Mobility GSM 1900 Live ATT Mobility GSM 850 Live ATT Mobility 3G 850/1900 Live T-Mobile USA, Inc GSM 1900 Live --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards Did it too... Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Your baby... ET Alan Dayley writes: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Don't recall the processor or system make/model, but my brother and I used to play a game called Offroad that booted from DOS and was just yellow lines on a black screen. Printer was dot matrix with the tear-off feeder holes on each side of the paper. First modem was a 56k, but that was a couple computers later, when we got a 300MHz Compaq Presario. I wonder if I can salvage the network cards out of them... should be good enough for a pfsense setup... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards Did it too... Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Your baby... ET Alan Dayley writes: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Alan Dayley wrote: At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. FWIW, I did all of these (glad to have started in Jr High). Learned to type on a card punch machine. Any missed key, and you got a blank card, duped up to your mistake, and continued. Missed keys cost a lot of time. Mainframe console was an IBM Selectric typewriter (with the ball). You had to type in a page worth of commands to boot DOS (IBM 360/44). Video displays were a real luxury when they finally came along. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue 7 July 2009 6:53:41 pm Alan Dayley wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Did it.. Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN COLORS!!! All 8 of them! 8) It was WAY COOL! Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Our high school had one of these beauties: http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_printer_ti820.htm When the terminals acted up, we could use this to get on the district main frame. It was already old then, but not yet uncommon. Alan Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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Control Data Institute 1978 Punching cards, reading tapes, Cobol, and memory the size of the room. Where you could look into the core and see the little cores flipping back and forth on the wires. I have pictures too. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:38 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? My mom Got her data processing Degree and had to program with punch cards when it was part of the Business College... On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Alan Dayleyala...@consultpros.com wrote: You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship. Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted yourself lucky! Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300 baud acoustic coupler. Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it right quick or you waste a lot of paper! At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper tape or front panel toggle switches. CGA was a wonder for about $600! ;^) Alan On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephencryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: no i was just 5 when i started On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.comkitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going Jesus! You are *THAT* old? Dirt... ;-) ET Stephen writes: I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going back to ASCII until VGA was out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I had one of those. Dual floppies, and I had visicalc when I was looking to buy my van. When the salesman said he could get my payments down to $200 dollars a month, I took the laptop out, plugged in the $200 and I told him he just cost me $5000 dollars. (over the life of the loan) He fell off his chair !!! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rixphrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:09 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET Android G2 phone from Ebay = $140 unlocked. Works on TMobile. Touchscreen is nice - Google apps. But it's not really as well designed outside (and the graphics are hoaky) as an iPhone. It does have a cheap camera (again not an iPhone) and no speakerphone (perhaps a benefit, rather than limitation). There is really no free wifi, since you have to have the data package from the carrier (TMobile) it costs data throughput (however it's cheaper). Unlocked from China, it's not going to have any of the TMobile apps (hotspot, Fave5, etc.). But the G1 directly from TMobile is pretty sweet too; it contains a full QWERTY keyboard. Consider a data pack and your phone is going to charge at least $60.00 a month (with very few minutes to talk). Since these are Android phones, all the Android apps work on them. Trust me though the SSH is not what it's cracked up to be. iPhone doesn't run alot of stuff until you unlock it, but it's a better device, however, it's comparable to a NetBook in cost? Why not just carry a danged computer with a softphone application, like Skype?Unlimited Skype trunking to PSTN is about $30.00 a year. You can use Skype on the iPhone with a new AJAX interface that refreshes the Opera browser, but it requires: 1) Data throughput charges 2) Skype minutes, since it's going to be a PSTN trunked call. 3) Unlocked G3 http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/skype-on-iphone.asp With Skype's $30.00 a year unlimited costs, your calls are recorded if/when your Netbook is turned down, you can forward your calls to another device, or add as many clients as you need. It's just not going to be small and sheik and kewl. But that $30.00 a year is really tempting running a nice NetBook? Other really suite phones are: Nokia/Linux: - Nokia E90 Review (Good for sys admins)http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/nokia-e90-review.html - Linux mobile phone manager – Wammuhttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/hack-linux-based-nokia-770-internet-tablet.html Nokia 3650: (Series 60 Symbian) http://gagravarr.org/series-60/ OLDER Nokia phones support c++ apps, as well as Java programs (J2ME with CLDC or MIDP). There is also a funky new open language called OPLhttp://opl.symbiandiaries.com/for it. Oh, and there's a python interpreter for them. The Nokia Internet 770 Tablet is really fine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770 http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/07/20/nokia-770.html The Nokia Internet 880 is just as suite, running Maemo: http://maemo.org/ Applications: http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux_nokia_other.html Other: Limited phones by Sony/Ericson run Wammu a linux management software: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/download-wammu-linux-unix-phone-manager.html Personally, I opt for the Nokia 880 (with Skype and your cheapest minutes to keep costs low). -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Well for ssh and keyboard u can get blackberry. I have one and I can ssh through midpssh which is free. --Original Message-- From: kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sender: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list ReplyTo: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? Sent: Jul 5, 2009 05:09 So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Nadim Hoque Cell: 480-518-6235 Address: 6302 West Kent Drive Chandler, Arizona 85226 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I have a blackberry also, but the phone management tools, to upgrade your system, backup etc. are Windoze or Mac based. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: Well for ssh and keyboard u can get blackberry. I have one and I can ssh through midpssh which is free. --Original Message-- From: kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sender: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list ReplyTo: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? Sent: Jul 5, 2009 05:09 So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Nadim Hoque Cell: 480-518-6235 Address: 6302 West Kent Drive Chandler, Arizona 85226 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScY7WlskD_8feature=channel N810 Nokia with WiMax WiFi available now! On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: I have a blackberry also, but the phone management tools, to upgrade your system, backup etc. are Windoze or Mac based. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: Well for ssh and keyboard u can get blackberry. I have one and I can ssh through midpssh which is free. --Original Message-- From: kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sender: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list ReplyTo: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? Sent: Jul 5, 2009 05:09 So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Nadim Hoque Cell: 480-518-6235 Address: 6302 West Kent Drive Chandler, Arizona 85226 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
I haven't heard of one you can attach a real keyboard to. I've seen the G1 which runs Linux and wish Google had made the deal with Alltel instead of Tmobile. On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:09 AM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.comwrote: I have a blackberry also, but the phone management tools, to upgrade your system, backup etc. are Windoze or Mac based. Correction: there are Linux BB sync tools available and also tethering now: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/06/152213 On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Nadim Hoque nadimho...@gmail.com wrote: Well for ssh and keyboard u can get blackberry. I have one and I can ssh through midpssh which is free. --Original Message-- From: kitepi...@kitepilot.com Sender: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: Main PLUG discussion list ReplyTo: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket? Sent: Jul 5, 2009 05:09 So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Nadim Hoque Cell: 480-518-6235 Address: 6302 West Kent Drive Chandler, Arizona 85226 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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I have a G1 and absolutely love it. The physical keyboard is a little smaller than I would like, but it's not nearly as bad as some I've used. I did also root my phone so it can now do pretty much anything I throw at it. The primary benefits to rooting it are being able to do whatever you want with your hardware ;), a fun little project for a couple hours while rooting it, wireless tethering, and being able to use a bunch of the for root users apps on the marketplace (low level backup stuff for your phone, task manager, and other great utilities). Even w/o rooting, the most useful apps I've found and use are: a terminal (pretty capable), a telnet client, irc client, ftp/sftp client, an IM client with support for all major IM protocols, VNC (definitely a bit slow, but still usable if you're patient), and every type of distraction imaginable... skymap, a metal detector app, a tuning app for instruments (incredibly accurate), games, etc. So perhaps I actually just explained how it's really good at wasting time. :D Either way, if you have any Qs about the G1 hardware, software, or experience let me know. Cheers, Josh On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 08:09 -0400, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Joshua A. Andler scis...@gmail.com wrote: I have a G1 and absolutely love it. The physical keyboard is a little smaller than I would like, but it's not nearly as bad as some I've used. I did also root my phone so it can now do pretty much anything I throw at it. The primary benefits to rooting it are being able to do whatever you want with your hardware ;), a fun little project for a couple hours while rooting it, wireless tethering, and being able to use a bunch of the for root users apps on the marketplace (low level backup stuff for your phone, task manager, and other great utilities). Even w/o rooting, the most useful apps I've found and use are: a terminal (pretty capable), a telnet client, irc client, ftp/sftp client, an IM client with support for all major IM protocols, VNC (definitely a bit slow, but still usable if you're patient), and every type of distraction imaginable... skymap, a metal detector app, a tuning app for instruments (incredibly accurate), games, etc. So perhaps I actually just explained how it's really good at wasting time. :D Either way, if you have any Qs about the G1 hardware, software, or experience let me know. Yes, the touch screen is really good. On a G2 from Ebay (China) unlocked (which works with TMobile dataplan sims) [$140.00) you don't have all the added TMobile stuff and better screen art/design, and there IS NO KEYBOARD. I haven't seen the G2 from TMobile yet. Cheers, Josh On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 08:09 -0400, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503)754-4452 wiki.obnosis.com scientology.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 13:09 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Joshua A. Andler scis...@gmail.com wrote: I have a G1 and absolutely love it. The physical keyboard is a little smaller than I would like, but it's not nearly as bad as some I've used. I did also root my phone so it can now do pretty much anything I throw at it. The primary benefits to rooting it are being able to do whatever you want with your hardware ;), a fun little project for a couple hours while rooting it, wireless tethering, and being able to use a bunch of the for root users apps on the marketplace (low level backup stuff for your phone, task manager, and other great utilities). Even w/o rooting, the most useful apps I've found and use are: a terminal (pretty capable), a telnet client, irc client, ftp/sftp client, an IM client with support for all major IM protocols, VNC (definitely a bit slow, but still usable if you're patient), and every type of distraction imaginable... skymap, a metal detector app, a tuning app for instruments (incredibly accurate), games, etc. So perhaps I actually just explained how it's really good at wasting time. :D Either way, if you have any Qs about the G1 hardware, software, or experience let me know. Yes, the touch screen is really good. On a G2 from Ebay (China) unlocked (which works with TMobile dataplan sims) [$140.00) you don't have all the added TMobile stuff and better screen art/design, and there IS NO KEYBOARD. I haven't seen the G2 from TMobile yet. Oh, another fun thing with the rooted G1, it does support multi-touch... (as long as the apps you use are set to utilize it). As for the T-mobile specific apps... I didn't really use them so it was a non-issue for me. As for the art-related stuff, it was fine by me... I didn't really notice anything significantly different there. As for G1 vs G2... I specifically wanted the physical KB, which is why I opted for a G1. Although, I will say, any extra CPU power you could get should actually be considered as potentially more important, especially if you plan on using SSH. Cheers, Josh --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Joshua A. Andler scis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 13:09 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Joshua A. Andler scis...@gmail.com wrote: I have a G1 and absolutely love it. The physical keyboard is a little smaller than I would like, but it's not nearly as bad as some I've used. I did also root my phone so it can now do pretty much anything I throw at it. The primary benefits to rooting it are being able to do whatever you want with your hardware ;), a fun little project for a couple hours while rooting it, wireless tethering, and being able to use a bunch of the for root users apps on the marketplace (low level backup stuff for your phone, task manager, and other great utilities). Even w/o rooting, the most useful apps I've found and use are: a terminal (pretty capable), a telnet client, irc client, ftp/sftp client, an IM client with support for all major IM protocols, VNC (definitely a bit slow, but still usable if you're patient), and every type of distraction imaginable... skymap, a metal detector app, a tuning app for instruments (incredibly accurate), games, etc. So perhaps I actually just explained how it's really good at wasting time. :D Either way, if you have any Qs about the G1 hardware, software, or experience let me know. Yes, the touch screen is really good. On a G2 from Ebay (China) unlocked (which works with TMobile dataplan sims) [$140.00) you don't have all the added TMobile stuff and better screen art/design, and there IS NO KEYBOARD. I haven't seen the G2 from TMobile yet. Oh, another fun thing with the rooted G1, it does support multi-touch... (as long as the apps you use are set to utilize it). As for the T-mobile specific apps... I didn't really use them so it was a non-issue for me. As for the art-related stuff, it was fine by me... I didn't really notice anything significantly different there. As for G1 vs G2... I specifically wanted the physical KB, which is why I opted for a G1. Although, I will say, any extra CPU power you could get should actually be considered as potentially more important, especially if you plan on using SSH. Yes, the thing HAS a screen based keyboard it moves back and forth with to/from applications. Cheers, Josh -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
Thanks to everyone for the input. I want to clarify that what I mean by keyboard is a full blown computer keyboard, I can't really see myself typing iptables rules from a Blackberry keyboard... :) Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
USB cables are available. You should have a library of all your tables and copy to the phone. You can't type iptables into anything less than a Nokia or Netbook, which are cheaper than an iPhone! On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for the input. I want to clarify that what I mean by keyboard is a full blown computer keyboard, I can't really see myself typing iptables rules from a Blackberry keyboard... :) Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (623)239-3392 Skype: obn0sis (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?
According to some stuff I just googled, I see that people have gotten bluetooth keyboards mice paired with the G1 months back (with rooted phones). I'm not sure if 1.5 has native support or what, but at least with rooting it appears to be possible. :) Cheers, Josh On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 16:25 -0400, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for the input. I want to clarify that what I mean by keyboard is a full blown computer keyboard, I can't really see myself typing iptables rules from a Blackberry keyboard... :) Thanks! ET kitepi...@kitepilot.com writes: So my Treo 650 died. Good. I hated the $%#!@ thing and I will most likely not buy another Treo (unless it runs Linux). Treo I could, Ericsson NOT! Anyway... With all the new phone capabilities, I was waiting for my dream phone to materialize (Neo FreeRunner from openmoko.com) to ditch the Treo, but it seems that it won't happen... :( So now I am on a crunch and I need help to find a phone... My simple specifications are: I want a phone that I can attach a real keyboard to and open up an SSH session using either WiFi or the the cellular network. In short, I want a Laptop in my pocket AND! (Important AND) I will not buy a Micro$haft phone! (In fact I will not buy ANYTHING Micro$haft unless it is a LEAST-AND-URGENT resource) Finally, I am stuck at the moment with ATT, but I would like something that I can plug anywhere. Any ideas? Considering the Iphone, at least it is Apple... :) Thanks! ET --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
