Linux in China?
Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? Thanks Mike Enriquez // --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
http://duckduckgo.com/?t=lmq=linux+china :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? Thanks Mike Enriquez ** --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 12:06 -0700, mike enriquez wrote: Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/ That was from last year. Dell has stores in China that sell Ubuntu directly, where you can't get a retail Dell machine in the US today that has Ubuntu on it.[1] The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is because people are buying machines to pirate Windows. Unfortunately it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they argue it). So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but definitely from a visibility perspective it's much larger than in the US. --Ted [1] Though that is hopefully changing: http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/sputnik signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/ http://www.informationweek.com/microsoft-fights-piracy-in-china-linux-w/170700943 http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4254330887.html :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Michael Havens bmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://duckduckgo.com/?t=lmq=linux+china :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? Thanks Mike Enriquez ** --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
It seems like someone in Redmond is grasping at straws. WIndows boxes can copy M$ software, post it to usenet, download it from Usenet and burn it to disc. It can also be shared using your favorite p2p software. On 11/15/2012 12:45 PM, Ted Gould wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 12:06 -0700, mike enriquez wrote: Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? http://blog.canonical.com/2011/10/27/retail-stores-in-china/ That was from last year. Dell has stores in China that sell Ubuntu directly, where you can't get a retail Dell machine in the US today that has Ubuntu on it.[1] The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is because people are buying machines to pirate Windows. Unfortunately it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they argue it). So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but definitely from a visibility perspective it's much larger than in the US. --Ted [1] Though that is hopefully changing: http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/sputnik --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote: The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is because people are buying machines to pirate Windows. Unfortunately it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they argue it). So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO. Open Source does not have a dog in that fight Open Source does not control the actions of its purchasers or users, nor have an obligation to facilitate control schemes that others might want adopted. Just the opposite -- see Stallman's Four Freedoms essays over time -- By and large, it seeks to provide software freedom of many forms I don't recall Microsoft _asking_ the FSF about the new UEFI bootloaders which vastly complicate the rights of owners of hardware wanting to use Open Source before functionally mandating it to the large manufacturers. They just rammed it through with market power -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3676641/Linux+Still+a+Hit+in+China.htm :-)~MIKE~(-: On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:59 PM, R P Herrold herr...@owlriver.com wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote: The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is because people are buying machines to pirate Windows. Unfortunately it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they argue it). So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO. Open Source does not have a dog in that fight Open Source does not control the actions of its purchasers or users, nor have an obligation to facilitate control schemes that others might want adopted. Just the opposite -- see Stallman's Four Freedoms essays over time -- By and large, it seeks to provide software freedom of many forms I don't recall Microsoft _asking_ the FSF about the new UEFI bootloaders which vastly complicate the rights of owners of hardware wanting to use Open Source before functionally mandating it to the large manufacturers. They just rammed it through with market power -- Russ herrold --**- PLUG-discuss mailing list - plug-disc...@lists.plug.**phoenix.az.usPLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-**discusshttp://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
There are a few problems with trying to get accurate Linux numbers: 1. Many Linux users dual-boot with Windows, so do they count as 1/2 a Linux user? Or do they get counted twice (once for Linux, once for Windows)? 2. Linux doesn't have any sales figures for home users (and even for many servers), unlike Mac OS X and Windows. 3. Many Linux users choose to mask or hide their online identities, either for anonymity or to get proper functionality from certain Internet Explorer-only websites. 4. Many Linux users have multiple computers (so does each computer owned count as a Linux user or is that one person a Linux user?). Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that installs a bot-net to infect with http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/ and track Linux desktops? Our concept of the culture of China and linux use is based entirely upon our American consideration that every family (and individual) has a personal computer. In China, it's more common for only a small percentage of the upper middle class families to have ONE personal phone, smartphone or tablet. Computer *ownership* is now at about 4-5% of the worlds population. However with many social projects putting computers in villages in developing countries between 12-14% of the worlds population have access to a computer. Approx 3-5 % of the worlds population have internet access. To put this into context only about 25% of the worlds population sleep in their own bed at night and only about 30% of the worlds population are rich enough to have a bank account! China's Internet population is touted to be 415.6 million. This figure includes people who access the Web through Internet cafes or public computers and smartphones. Scientific and development based internet use (therefore much of Linux) is strictly controlled in China. W3Counter http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php has linux use as 1.8 %, of course that's not China. On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06 PM, mike enriquez myli...@cox.net wrote: Does anyone on the list know anything about the status of Linux in China? I wonder if linux is big in China? Thanks Mike Enriquez ** --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
On Thu, 2012-11-15 at 15:59 -0500, R P Herrold wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Ted Gould wrote: The MS representatives believe that the reason Ubuntu is big in China is because people are buying machines to pirate Windows. Unfortunately it's hard to prove that isn't the case (which is one of the reasons they argue it). So, in general, it's hard to say how big in this case, but There is nothing 'unfortunate' about it at all -- The MSFT representatives are parrotting a party line, and trying to frame a debate about intellectual property rights which China agreed to enforce as part of joining WIPO. Open Source does not have a dog in that fight No, they're trying to discredit Ubuntu adoption in China by saying it doesn't exist. This makes it hard to go to people like ISVs and argue there's a market for their software if they port it. That, in turn, reduces the number of people that can use Ubuntu because it doesn't support the software that they need. So, it is unfortunate, but yes I don't think there is a reasonable way to count the number of users of truly free software. --Ted signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linux in China?
On 11/15/2012 03:46 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: Perhaps we should create a massive [Chinese] spam campaign that installs a bot-net to infect with http://sourceforge.net/projects/statix/ and track Linux desktops? It shouldn't be hard for anyone interested in the project to write the spam. Come up with some idea of what you want to say and run it through Google translate. Judging by the English skills of the people who write the spam I get, that's what they're doing. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
