Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
You say this like they don't and can't anymore... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811215012 16.9'' x 9.1'' x 27.4'' (L x W x H) at that size it reminds me of the obelisk On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, wrote: > I just disconnected a 1987-model keyboard from my desktop. Not out of > any fault of the keyboard, but the PS/2->USB adapter acted wonky > (inserting phantom keystrokes). > > I pine for the days when computers took entire racks and intimidated > people. > > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
I just disconnected a 1987-model keyboard from my desktop. Not out of any fault of the keyboard, but the PS/2->USB adapter acted wonky (inserting phantom keystrokes). I pine for the days when computers took entire racks and intimidated people. -Original Message- From: Bob Elzer To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 9:04 pm Subject: RE: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) I had one of those. Dual floppies, and I had visicalc when I was looking to buy my van. When the salesman said he could get my payments down to $200 dollars a month, I took the laptop out, plugged in the $200 and I told him he just cost me $5000 dollars. (over the life of the loan) He fell off his chair !!! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > > Thank you for changing the subject line ;) > > The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy > who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are > talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD > > I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various > 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle > reading > ;) > History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
Having grown up with a historian (by education if not profession) history is only complete when as many people as possible record their thoughts... sadly it is usually the "winner" the gets to write things down. but like anything else said it is subjective, the skill and art of it is compareing as many different possible views to paint a picture... and even in as honest a representation as we can imagine you and i are still slanted by our own understanding of a series of events even without guile or deciet. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Alex Dean wrote: > On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: > >> True history is vastly important. > > The trouble here is that history is always written by someone. It is, by > definition, an *interpretation* of past events. A history that does nothing > but report facts is incomplete and deceptive in its own right. Events have > meaning in context, and without that context, the meaning is lost. It's the > job of the historian (like a journalist) to present a fair portrait of the > events which occurred, and to make an argument about their meaning. > > Presenting incorrect facts is of course wrong, as is presenting a > controversial/unusual interpretation as uncontroversial. I'm not saying you > can just make this stuff up, because you can't and informed people won't let > you get away with it. But, I think it's only possible to talk about 'true' > history if you take a very simplistic view of what a historian does. > > regards, > alex > > ps - So... history was my field before I got into programming. Fun to see > it pop up here. > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: True history is vastly important. The trouble here is that history is always written by someone. It is, by definition, an *interpretation* of past events. A history that does nothing but report facts is incomplete and deceptive in its own right. Events have meaning in context, and without that context, the meaning is lost. It's the job of the historian (like a journalist) to present a fair portrait of the events which occurred, and to make an argument about their meaning. Presenting incorrect facts is of course wrong, as is presenting a controversial/unusual interpretation as uncontroversial. I'm not saying you can just make this stuff up, because you can't and informed people won't let you get away with it. But, I think it's only possible to talk about 'true' history if you take a very simplistic view of what a historian does. regards, alex ps - So... history was my field before I got into programming. Fun to see it pop up here. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Stephen wrote: > For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old > tech goes... > > http://www.computerhistory.org/ > > I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer > inside of it and make the lights blink again > Oh yes!!: 1965: DEC unveils the PDP-8, the first commercially successful minicomputer. Small enough to sit on a desktop, it sells for $18,000 one-fifth the cost of a low-end IBM/360 mainframe. The combination of speed, size, and cost enables the establishment of the minicomputer in thousands of manufacturing plants, offices, and scientific laboratories. lyle --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
This is the one i had actually menat to give also: http://www.old-computers.com/news/default.asp On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Stephen wrote: > For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old > tech goes... > > http://www.computerhistory.org/ > > I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer > inside of it and make the lights blink again > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
For all of you looking for memory lane and to see how far back the old tech goes... http://www.computerhistory.org/ I personally want an altair shell and to load in a modern computer inside of it and make the lights blink again --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Matt Graham wrote: > From: Alan Dayley >> History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in >> most schools. > > History: An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, > which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly > fools. --Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ Ambrose proves my point. History is so important it will be distorted by those in power to protect their power. Eben Moglen in that talk points out that nearly everyone now thinks the purpose of copyright and patents was to create wealth. This is a distortion or half-truth of history, perpetuated by those who benefit from the distortion. Nearly everyone does not know or think about the full purpose of immigration and the explosion of culture and technology that resulted. The benefit to society is lost in the benefit to the corporations. Perhaps I can rephrase: True history is vastly important. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
my dad has one of those. Or perhaps he got rid of it after he transfered his music to cd. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Technomage wrote: > Hell, I still have > an old 1978 model year reel-to-reel recorder that works. > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
Ryan Rix wrote: > > Thank you for changing the subject line ;) > > The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who > sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, > and > I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD > > I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various > 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading > ;) > > Ryan heh, I wouldn't be too depressed. if you have a working knowledge of such items, even when they come along rarely, it'll be much better than if you had no clue (like most young folks these days). You should try working on old tube radios and other such similar items from the 40's to the 70's. Hell, I still have an old 1978 model year reel-to-reel recorder that works. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
From: Alan Dayley > History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in > most schools. History: An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. --Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ > An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, > can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. > Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ > Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy > but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young > United States! Cut-n-paste from http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=2918235 : -- aaarkieboy 2007-07-08 03:41:05 PM For anyone who still feels a twinge of guilt or regret when pirating a copyrighted work, know this: it is now morally justifiable to pirate music, movies, and books under a tradional analysis of copyright law. The original justification for copyright law was a moral contract between the creator and society: the creator would be entitled to receive a temporary monopoly on the use of that work (i.e., a copyright) in exchange for allowing the work to enter the public domain when the monopoly expired. The concept was fundamentally contractual (although embodied in statues) and had benefits and burdens on both sides, as any enforceable contract requires. This created a win-win situation: the creator benefitted exclusively from the creation for the duration of the copyright (originally 25 years) and society thereafter benefitted as works continually entered the public domain. The creator was enriched during the copyright period and society was enriched in exchange as the body of freely-available, no-longer-copyrighted works continued to grow. But then the system began to break down. Companies like Disney, the RIAA, and the MPAA began to lobby for extensions to the copyright period. Sonny Bono (watch out for the tree, man) and his ilk accepted campaign contributions in exchange for voting to continue extending the period. It is now obvious that current copyrights will never expire -- every time Mickey Mouse gets close to the end of his monopoly period, some future Sonny Bono will do it again. Copyrights have stopped expiring. Now consider what this does to the social contract embodied in copyright law. The contract is now completely one-sided. The copyright owner has all the benefits (perpetual monopoly) and society has none (no growth of works in the public domain). Society has lost its side of the bargain that formed the entire basis for creating this system. Do you know what happens in law when a contract has all benefits on one side and all burdens on the other? It is regarded as unenforceable or illusory. There must be consideration (i.e., an exchange of benefits and burdens) on both sides of a contract as a legal prerequisite to being enforceable. This means that the social contract that embodies copyright law is no longer enforceable. You are morally free to pirate music, movies, anything you want. Of course morality and law are not synonymous. Pirating is still illegal. But it is no longer immoral. And the most interesting part is that Sonny Bono is therefore responsible for destroying the moral weight of copyright law. He eliminated the element of consideration that had previously served as the justification for copyright. Ain't karma a biatch, Sonny? - Sorry for the wall-o-text, but it's kind of interesting. Whether it'd hold up in court is another matter entirely. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
I had one of those. Dual floppies, and I had visicalc when I was looking to buy my van. When the salesman said he could get my payments down to $200 dollars a month, I took the laptop out, plugged in the $200 and I told him he just cost me $5000 dollars. (over the life of the loan) He fell off his chair !!! -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:56 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > > Thank you for changing the subject line ;) > > The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy > who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are > talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD > > I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various > 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle > reading > ;) > History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > > Thank you for changing the subject line ;) > > The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who > sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and > I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD > > I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various > 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading > ;) > History in general is vastly important, despite how it is treated in most schools. The history of our technology is more important every day as it inserts itself deeper into our lives. The history of computers is important to me because it feeds the wonder I still feel for it after 20+ years working with it. I'm glad you are learning and appreciating history at such a young age. It will be a powerful source of inspiration in years to come. An important history lesson from Eben Moglen, attorney and historian, can be found in his keynote speech at the Red Hat Summit of 2006. Watch it from a link at http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/videos/ Learn that copyright and patents were not about making people wealthy but were a successful tool to attract innovated people to the young United States! All this talk of old stuff makes me want to fire up my Zenith ZFL-181 laptop (http://www.1000bit.it/scheda.asp?id=1523) I paid $2500.00 for in 1986. Yes, mine still works just fine. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue 7 July 2009 6:53:41 pm Alan Dayley wrote: > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, > > kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > > Did it.. > > Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN > > COLORS!!! > > All 8 of them! 8) > > It was WAY COOL! > > >>> Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it > >>> right quick or you waste a lot of paper! > > > > Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) > > Our high school had one of these beauties: > > http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_printer_ti820.htm > > When the terminals acted up, we could use this to get on the district > main frame. It was already old then, but not yet uncommon. > > Alan Thank you for changing the subject line ;) The funny thing about all of this, and talking to the retro hacker guy who sits next to me at work, is that I know what all of you are talking about, and I'm only 17. Not sure that's depressing or not xD I guess that's what happens when you have the Jargon file and various 'history' books and lore saved to your desktop and your pda for idle reading ;) Ryan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Old computer users (Was: Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?)
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote: > Did it.. > Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN > COLORS!!! > All 8 of them! 8) It was WAY COOL! >>> Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard. Get it >>> right quick or you waste a lot of paper! > Man, you *ARE* older than dirt! ;-) Our high school had one of these beauties: http://www.omnidatasys.net/product/spec_printer_ti820.htm When the terminals acted up, we could use this to get on the district main frame. It was already old then, but not yet uncommon. Alan --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
