Project Update

[Sean Parsons]

Since, so many wanted my project to be posted for the benefit of all, I'll
start be defining what our first steps are going to be. I had an opportunity
to sit down and discuss my goals and get some advice, so this is how we have
decided to proceed:

 

Goal: Build as much functionality based on Linux into an
existing Microsoft SBS 2003 network to provide redundancy and eventually
alternatives to future Microsoft products.

Justification:  I would like to avoid having to replace infrastructure
because Microsoft has decided I need to upgrade. I would like to make those
choices based upon our needs and current usage.

 

Phase 1 - Tasks

1.   Since Small Business Server 2003 is the critical piece and has the
most requirement.  I will be building a dedicated test box with full
functionality to be part of the sandbox. It will have the OS, Exchange, SQL,
Sharepoint, and a simple 3 user domain. This will be loaded on a Dell Power
Edge 850 with 3GB Ram and dual 250GB hard drives mirrored to raid 1. I'll
use a single NIC.

2.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, Samba will
be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.

3.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270,
QmailToaster will be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB
hard drive.

4.   A 24 port 1Gb Ethernet switch will be allocated for this test
environment.

5.   A loaned IPCop router will serve as gateway and will be assigned a
static IP for access.

 

Phase 1 - Goal

Build a simple but functional network containing the elements necessary to
demonstrate proof of concept for this project.

 

Timeframe

I expect a week or so to get these systems operational and then begin the
process of consolidating into a single network and configuring services for
use.

 

Personally, I have the challenge of loading CentOS for the
first time, done Ubuntu, Debian Sarge and Mandrake/Mandriva a long time
ago.. but this one is new to me and I'll have to do it CLI..so might be fun.
So got some reading to do about the OS and how to install/update it.

 

I'll post more, as I make progress.

 

 

 

Sean Parsons

 

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Re: Project Update

[Steven A. DuChene]

If it was me I would look for a distribution that had newer bits (Samba & etc)than CentOS5.4Perhaps OpenSuSE-11.2 or similar.-Original Message-
From: Sean Parsons 
Sent: Jan 31, 2010 12:11 PM
To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' 
Subject: Project Update








 

 
  
 






Since, so many wanted my project to be posted for the
benefit of all, I’ll start be defining what our first steps are going to
be. I had an opportunity to sit down and discuss my goals and get some advice,
so this is how we have decided to proceed:

 

    Goal:
Build as much functionality based on Linux into an existing Microsoft SBS 2003 network
to provide redundancy and eventually alternatives to future Microsoft products.

Justification:  I would like
to avoid having to replace infrastructure because Microsoft has decided I need
to upgrade. I would like to make those choices based upon our needs and current
usage.

 

    Phase
1 - Tasks

1.   Since
Small Business Server 2003 is the critical piece and has the most requirement.  I
will be building a dedicated test box with full functionality to be part of the
sandbox. It will have the OS, Exchange, SQL, Sharepoint, and a simple 3 user
domain. This will be loaded on a Dell Power Edge 850 with 3GB Ram and dual
250GB hard drives mirrored to raid 1. I’ll use a single NIC.

2.   I
will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, Samba will be loaded on
this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.

3.   I
will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, QmailToaster will be
loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.

4.   A
24 port 1Gb Ethernet switch will be allocated for this test environment.

5.   A
loaned IPCop router will serve as gateway and will be assigned a static IP for
access.

 

Phase 1 – Goal

Build a simple but functional
network containing the elements necessary to demonstrate proof of concept for
this project.

 

    Timeframe

I expect a week or so to get these
systems operational and then begin the process of consolidating into a single
network and configuring services for use.

 

    Personally,
I have the challenge of loading CentOS for the first time, done Ubuntu, Debian
Sarge and Mandrake/Mandriva a long time ago…… but this one is new
to me and I’ll have to do it CLI….so might be fun. So got some
reading to do about the OS and how to install/update it.

 

I’ll post more, as I make
progress.

 

 

 

Sean
Parsons

 









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Re: Project Update

[Steve Phariss]

The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.  Arguably, a
CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.  Newer is not always
better when it comes to getting down to business. OpenSuSE is the equivalent
to using Fedora correct?  a test/dev distribution for the main distro...



Steve

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Steven A. DuChene <
linux-clust...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> If it was me I would look for a distribution that had newer bits (Samba &
> etc)
> than CentOS5.4
>
> Perhaps OpenSuSE-11.2 or similar.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Parsons
> Sent: Jan 31, 2010 12:11 PM
> To: 'Main PLUG discussion list'
> Subject: Project Update
>
>  Since, so many wanted my project to be posted for the benefit of all,
> I’ll start be defining what our first steps are going to be. I had an
> opportunity to sit down and discuss my goals and get some advice, so this is
> how we have decided to proceed:
>
>
>
> Goal: Build as much functionality based on Linux into an
> existing Microsoft SBS 2003 network to provide redundancy and eventually
> alternatives to future Microsoft products.
>
> Justification:  I would like to avoid having to replace infrastructure
> because Microsoft has decided I need to upgrade. I would like to make those
> choices based upon our needs and current usage.
>
>
>
> Phase 1 - Tasks
>
> 1.   Since Small Business Server 2003 is the critical piece and has
> the most requirement.  I will be building a dedicated test box with full
> functionality to be part of the sandbox. It will have the OS, Exchange, SQL,
> Sharepoint, and a simple 3 user domain. This will be loaded on a Dell Power
> Edge 850 with 3GB Ram and dual 250GB hard drives mirrored to raid 1. I’ll
> use a single NIC.
>
> 2.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, Samba
> will be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.
>
> 3.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270,
> QmailToaster will be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB
> hard drive.
>
> 4.   A 24 port 1Gb Ethernet switch will be allocated for this test
> environment.
>
> 5.   A loaned IPCop router will serve as gateway and will be assigned
> a static IP for access.
>
>
>
> Phase 1 – Goal
>
> Build a simple but functional network containing the elements necessary to
> demonstrate proof of concept for this project.
>
>
>
> Timeframe
>
> I expect a week or so to get these systems operational and then begin the
> process of consolidating into a single network and configuring services for
> use.
>
>
>
> Personally, I have the challenge of loading CentOS for the
> first time, done Ubuntu, Debian Sarge and Mandrake/Mandriva a long time
> ago…… but this one is new to me and I’ll have to do it CLI….so might be fun.
> So got some reading to do about the OS and how to install/update it.
>
>
>
> I’ll post more, as I make progress.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sean Parsons
>
>
>
>
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Re: Project Update

[Eric Shubert]

Steve Phariss wrote:
> The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.  
> Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.  
> Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business. 
> OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?

No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding 
edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources) 
  RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL 
(which they are for the most part).

OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's 
about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.

> a test/dev 
> distribution for the main distro...
> 
> 
> 
> Steve
> 

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Re: Project Update

[JD Austin]

The big difference between Fedora and Centos other than Centos lagging
behind Fedora is that Centos is a server distribution and the repository
will be around for 10 years.

I've been burned a couple of times when I inherited unmaintained systems
built on desktop distributions (in my case Ubuntu) where there repositories
were long gone.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

> Steve Phariss wrote:
> > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
> > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
> > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
> > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
>
> No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
> edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>  RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
> (which they are for the most part).
>
> OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
> about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
>
> > a test/dev
> > distribution for the main distro...
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
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Re: Project Update

[Eric Shubert]

Steven A. DuChene wrote:
> If it was me I would look for a distribution that had newer bits (Samba 
> & etc)
> than CentOS5.4
> 
> Perhaps OpenSuSE-11.2 or similar.

Newer etc? ;)

I am a little disappointed that CentOS5 doesn't have a more recent 
Samba, but newer Samba rpms for EL5 are available from sernet.de.

I agree with Steve that CentOS will likely have better stability. I'm 
not sure that changing distros in order to get more current packages is 
a good strategy. When desirable pieces are missing from a given distro, 
they can often be found already packaged in alternate places (yum 
repositories, or yum repos if you're lucky). I wouldn't expect any 
distro to necessarily have all of the software that might be desirable 
for a given host configuration.

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Re: Project Update

[Eric Shubert]

Sean Parsons wrote:
> Since, so many wanted my project to be posted for the benefit of all, 
> I’ll start be defining what our first steps are going to be. I had an 
> opportunity to sit down and discuss my goals and get some advice, so 
> this is how we have decided to proceed:
> 
> Goal: Build as much functionality based on Linux into an 
> existing Microsoft SBS 2003 network to provide redundancy and eventually 
> alternatives to future Microsoft products.
> 
> Justification:  I would like to avoid having to replace infrastructure 
> because Microsoft has decided I need to upgrade. I would like to make 
> those choices based upon our needs and current usage.
> 
> 
> Phase 1 - Tasks
> 
> 1.   Since Small Business Server 2003 is the critical piece and has 
> the most requirement.  I will be building a dedicated test box with full 
> functionality to be part of the sandbox. It will have the OS, Exchange, 
> SQL, Sharepoint, and a simple 3 user domain. This will be loaded on a 
> Dell Power Edge 850 with 3GB Ram and dual 250GB hard drives mirrored to 
> raid 1. I’ll use a single NIC.
> 
> 2.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, Samba 
> will be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 80GB hard drive.
> 
> 3.   I will be loading CentOS V5.4 on a Dell Optiplex GX270, 
> QmailToaster will be loaded on this platform. System has 512Mb RAM and 
> 80GB hard drive.
> 
> 4.   A 24 port 1Gb Ethernet switch will be allocated for this test 
> environment.
> 
> 5.   A loaned IPCop router will serve as gateway and will be 
> assigned a static IP for access.
> 
>  
> 
> Phase 1 – Goal
> 
> Build a simple but functional network containing the elements necessary 
> to demonstrate proof of concept for this project.
> 
> Timeframe
> 
> I expect a week or so to get these systems operational and then begin 
> the process of consolidating into a single network and configuring 
> services for use.
> 
> Personally, I have the challenge of loading CentOS for 
> the first time, done Ubuntu, Debian Sarge and Mandrake/Mandriva a long 
> time ago…… but this one is new to me and I’ll have to do it CLI….so 
> might be fun. So got some reading to do about the OS and how to 
> install/update it.
> 
>  
> 
> I’ll post more, as I make progress.
> 
> Sean Parsons

Thanks for posting this, Sean. I expect your project will be of interest 
to many on this list.

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Re: Project Update

[Eric Shubert]

Good point JD. I always try to steer people away from Fedora for servers 
in general, especially production servers.

Fedora as a desktop is entirely different, although personally I 
appreciate more stability there as well. My desktop at the moment is 
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. A new LTS desktop version is due in a couple months, 
but I've enjoyed a reliable working environment for nearly 2 years now.

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JD Austin wrote:
> The big difference between Fedora and Centos other than Centos lagging 
> behind Fedora is that Centos is a server distribution and the repository 
> will be around for 10 years.
> 
> I've been burned a couple of times when I inherited unmaintained systems 
> built on desktop distributions (in my case Ubuntu) where there 
> repositories were long gone.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  > wrote:
> 
> Steve Phariss wrote:
>  > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
>  > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
>  > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
>  > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
> 
> No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
> edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>  RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
> (which they are for the most part).
> 
> OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
> about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
> 
>  > a test/dev
>  > distribution for the main distro...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Steve
>  >
> 
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Re: Project Update

[Craig White]

On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 18:30 -0700, Eric Shubert wrote:
> Steven A. DuChene wrote:
> > If it was me I would look for a distribution that had newer bits (Samba 
> > & etc)
> > than CentOS5.4
> > 
> > Perhaps OpenSuSE-11.2 or similar.
> 
> Newer etc? ;)
> 
> I am a little disappointed that CentOS5 doesn't have a more recent 
> Samba, but newer Samba rpms for EL5 are available from sernet.de.
> 
> I agree with Steve that CentOS will likely have better stability. I'm 
> not sure that changing distros in order to get more current packages is 
> a good strategy. When desirable pieces are missing from a given distro, 
> they can often be found already packaged in alternate places (yum 
> repositories, or yum repos if you're lucky). I wouldn't expect any 
> distro to necessarily have all of the software that might be desirable 
> for a given host configuration.

personally - I think the suggestions of 'fixing' things that aren't
broken to be a really poor idea.

Samba 3.4.x is important for Windows 7 clients but if you don't have
Windows 7 clients, why go down that road?

Craig


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Re: Project Update

[Steve Phariss]

  I know that Fedora and redhat are related and how, not so sure on the SuSE
genealogy. It is my understanding that OpenSuse is the "development" version
of SuSE in the same way that Fedora is the "development" version of Redhat.
My point being (as has been discussed in the last few messages) that since
this is to be a production environment, the bleeding edge version is not the
best choice.

Steve Phariss

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

> Steve Phariss wrote:
> > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
> > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
> > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
> > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
>
> No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
> edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>  RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
> (which they are for the most part).
>
> OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
> about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
>
> > a test/dev
> > distribution for the main distro...
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
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Re: Project Update

[Eric Shubert]

I follow your meaning now. I misunderstood what you meant.
(I tend to read things too literally sometimes)

Steve Phariss wrote:
>   I know that Fedora and redhat are related and how, not so sure on the 
> SuSE genealogy. It is my understanding that OpenSuse is the 
> "development" version of SuSE in the same way that Fedora is the 
> "development" version of Redhat.  My point being (as has been discussed 
> in the last few messages) that since this is to be a production 
> environment, the bleeding edge version is not the best choice.
> 
> Steve Phariss
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  > wrote:
> 
> Steve Phariss wrote:
>  > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
>  > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
>  > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
>  > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
> 
> No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
> edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>  RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
> (which they are for the most part).
> 
> OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
> about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
> 
>  > a test/dev
>  > distribution for the main distro...
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Steve
>  >
> 
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RE: Project Update

[Sean Parsons]

The choice for the distro was made based on the recommendation of the person
who is helping and nothing more. It is NOT for a production environment, it
is to explore a proof of concept and to see what can be done.

 

I'll cross the distro bridge another time...

 

Sean Parsons

 

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Phariss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:22 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Project Update

 

  I know that Fedora and redhat are related and how, not so sure on the SuSE
genealogy. It is my understanding that OpenSuse is the "development" version
of SuSE in the same way that Fedora is the "development" version of Redhat.
My point being (as has been discussed in the last few messages) that since
this is to be a production environment, the bleeding edge version is not the
best choice.

Steve Phariss

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:

Steve Phariss wrote:
> The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
> Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
> Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
> OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?

No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
 RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
(which they are for the most part).

OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.


> a test/dev
> distribution for the main distro...
>
>
>
> Steve
>

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Re: Project Update

[Kurt Granroth]

A few details:

Fedora = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
begets
RedHat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) = Proprietary long-term distro
shadowed by
CentOS = Community version of RHEL long-term distro

OpenSUSE = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
begets
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) = Proprietary long-term distro
shadowed by
Nothing => there is no community version of SLES

I guess there is also:

Ubuntu = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
begets
Ubuntu Long Term Suport (LTS) = Community long-term distro

I'm not aware of a proprietary "enterprise" version of Ubuntu in the 
same vein as RHEL and SLES.  I know that LTS is geared to compete with 
them but it really "feels" more like CentOS.  Maybe when Canonical 
matures a bit more?

On 1/31/10 10:21 PM, Steve Phariss wrote:
>I know that Fedora and redhat are related and how, not so sure on the
> SuSE genealogy. It is my understanding that OpenSuse is the
> "development" version of SuSE in the same way that Fedora is the
> "development" version of Redhat.  My point being (as has been discussed
> in the last few messages) that since this is to be a production
> environment, the bleeding edge version is not the best choice.
>
> Steve Phariss
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert  > wrote:
>
> Steve Phariss wrote:
>  > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
>  > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
>  > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
>  > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
>
> No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
> edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>   RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
> (which they are for the most part).
>
> OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
> about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
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Re: Project Update

[Lisa Kachold]

Hi Sean,

How are you Kurt?

Eric, good post!

Oh goodie!  Distro WARZ!  :)

The "project update" should include realistic human timeline (hands
available per day, etc) and state available resources for each phase,
with parts and materials, and include dependencies, such as vnc or ssh
access, install VPN (recommended over VNC or ssh of course), etc.

For each version of existing software you have standardized upon,
including Mysql, php, python, webdav, SSL and anything you will need
for systems development should be documented as your "development LAMP
package", making the package list is the first step to writing a
script (since you have more than one box to configure) or post install
kickstart file that can be referenced in your Build Wiki, or NOTES. If
you might need webmin or cfengine/puppet, this is also the time to
install that great package, which will allow a great many key based
server changes automated, including configuration changes, keys, and
password changes.

Be sure to add your list of packages to pull and your server hardening
NX bit, and tcp-ip kernel optimization or, /etc/sysctl.conf
recommendations, MySql chroot, and other server security like sudo for
instance.  Chroot Apache if you are running some insecure Php
application, etc.

Also, Sean,

CentOs is fine, unless you expect to need regular kernel level and
source binary security patches, then the $365.00 reg fee/and patches
from Redhat is WELL WORTH IT!

Patch management in a producted environment is absolutely as important
as secure aged passwords.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Kurt Granroth
 wrote:
> A few details:
>
> Fedora = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
> begets
> RedHat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) = Proprietary long-term distro
> shadowed by
> CentOS = Community version of RHEL long-term distro
>
> OpenSUSE = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
> begets
> SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) = Proprietary long-term distro
> shadowed by
> Nothing => there is no community version of SLES
>
> I guess there is also:
>
> Ubuntu = Community based "bleeding-edge" distro
> begets
> Ubuntu Long Term Suport (LTS) = Community long-term distro
>
> I'm not aware of a proprietary "enterprise" version of Ubuntu in the
> same vein as RHEL and SLES.  I know that LTS is geared to compete with
> them but it really "feels" more like CentOS.  Maybe when Canonical
> matures a bit more?
>
> On 1/31/10 10:21 PM, Steve Phariss wrote:
>>    I know that Fedora and redhat are related and how, not so sure on the
>> SuSE genealogy. It is my understanding that OpenSuse is the
>> "development" version of SuSE in the same way that Fedora is the
>> "development" version of Redhat.  My point being (as has been discussed
>> in the last few messages) that since this is to be a production
>> environment, the bleeding edge version is not the best choice.
>>
>> Steve Phariss
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Eric Shubert > <mailto:e...@shubes.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Steve Phariss wrote:
>>      > The downside to "newer bits" is that they may not be as tested.
>>      > Arguably, a CentOS/RHEL install will have more long term stability.
>>      > Newer is not always better when it comes to getting down to business.
>>      > OpenSuSE is the equivalent to using Fedora correct?
>>
>>     No, Fedora is related to RedHat. Fedora is community driven and bleeding
>>     edge, from which RedHat is derived. CentOS is a rebranded (from sources)
>>       RedHat. People will commonly refer to CentOS systems as being RHEL
>>     (which they are for the most part).
>>
>>     OpenSuSE uses rpms, and it too has an Enterprise version, but that's
>>     about all that it has in common with Fedora/RedHat/CentOS.
>>
>>      > a test/dev
>>      > distribution for the main distro...
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > Steve
>>      >
>>
>>     --
>>     -Eric 'shubes'
>>
OpenSuse is very fun, but lacks the ease of administration (package
management and community support of Ubuntu.)

Also, I love Suse SLES for DNS servers, SELinux -type AppArmour
security level kernels, and other situations where the server is
expected to be under siege!

While not Linux, OpenSolaris is VERY FUN, especially running any of
the BLAST add on repos.

CentOs makes the best postgres cluster; web server farms (using Alan
Cox's Ultra Monkey type NO-ARP networking Cluster).  Of course as
SysAdmin, I love RHEL especially if we have a sat  update server ($$)
because I like my systems patched or at least patchable.  If I am
buildin