RE: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
Those of us already on Gnome, could feel his presence. _ From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan Rix Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:49 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss And still, NO ONE CARED. -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discusshttp://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss And still, NO ONE CARED. -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss And still, NO ONE CARED. ? -jmz -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
And still, NO ONE CARED. ? -jmz i don't understand why it is important what desktop manager some kernel developer uses (I'm understating, atm, i know). I use what I like and what some other person uses doesn't matter to me and i don't understand why it should to anyone else. -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: And still, NO ONE CARED. ? -jmz i don't understand why it is important what desktop manager some kernel developer uses (I'm understating, atm, i know). I use what I like and what some other person uses doesn't matter to me and i don't understand why it should to anyone else. hey Ryan, ah, well a reasoned statement deserves a reasoned response... Linus is an important authority in the Linux world. Its possible that his decision is not well informed- but from my perspective, its obvious he does know a lot about Linux and uses it regularly. Out here in the 'real world' lots of parties want to influence my choices for a variety of reasons, and I know that Linus is not likely to have some kind of ulterior commercial (or other) interest. And that goes a long way. Remember, there are lots of other parameters for adoption aside from personal usability preference. But as it goes in the Linux world, the choice is yours! best, jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Jan 26, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: The principled approach is good, but I personally want the best insurance against the project dying off or future incompatibilities. From this perspective, the number of users is the best metric. I guess you should be using Windows, then? ;) alex PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Jan 26, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: The principled approach is good, but I personally want the best insurance against the project dying off or future incompatibilities. From this perspective, the number of users is the best metric. I guess you should be using Windows, then? ;) well windows isn't open source... I think Linux offers the best long term investment. Im definitely going short on MSFT. http://finance.google.com/finance?q=MSFT -jmz --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 13:25 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote: i don't understand why it is important what desktop manager some kernel developer uses (I'm understating, atm, i know). I use what I like and what some other person uses doesn't matter to me and i don't understand why it should to anyone else. If you asked Bill Gates if he used Windows, but he said he used Linux, would you care then? --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would look cross eyed at. On 1/24/09, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: this is the reality of the computing world really. technology does not exist for its own sake, but for the sake of supplying the need. windows linux apple OS2 wichever if it pisses people off it fails. Overall people really dont want to invest a horrible amount of time into making something work unless absolutely needed. i think that tis reality is soemthign ubuntu met incredibly well. they took a very good base and pacakge management system and put alot of polish into it and i think for most users its great.. but in the end i see RH/CentOs/SUSE being the business favored backend, for now.. and that only because of RPM more than anything else.. there are some things that just get easier to do with an RPM than rolling a script and sorting it out. i may be smark, but i lack the special patience that a decent programmer needs, and therfore i look for thigns that others have built and assemble them as needed. This is a reality of the world, even in somsone who has the codeing familiarity with linux as Torvaldis he still breaks down to a point where it makes his life easier to work in the same way... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: James, there are a lot of clear advantages to using the Ubuntu distro. For starters its far more stable than Kubuntu. I used to be a Kubuntu guy, but I just gave into Ubuntu, its the easiest way for me to run Linux, plus its an easy sell to a manager, etc. Even though we all value choice, sometimes you just gotta get with the program. -jmz On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap On 1/24/09, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- Jason wrote: I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote: I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would look cross eyed at. I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid. I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things... - expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only supported in a very crude way. - early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development. Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
I still like the lighter weight WMs over either Gnome or KDE, though I understand their "out of the box" appeal. I used to use Openbox when I was running Gentoo back in the day and it was amazing. When I switched to Ubuntu it came with Gnome, and since I was already a lazy Linux user by then (which is why I left Gentoo in the first place), I left it at that. I ran Xubuntu and I absolutely loved how fast Xfce ran, but there were just enough little loose ends to make me switch back to Ubuntu after a couple weeks. I have a friend that did some amazing things with fvwm, but it seems like a lot of tweaking before you get it right. I ran KDE3 for a little while too, but I though it was too much like windows and it wasn't responsive enough for me. I really hope KDE4 finds its bearing in 4.2 or some later release. The ideas behind it are pretty revolutionary, just too bad it was so poorly implemented. I had planned to try it out, but then I read so much bad press I figured I'd wait for a bit. One of these days I get back to Openbox/Fluxbox though, I swear it! -Joe Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote: I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would look cross eyed at. I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid. I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things... - expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only supported in a very crude way. - early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development. Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
Top-posting 'cuz you did... I was very happy with KDE. Everything tied together, and it all felt very integrated. But then I sort of got bored of it. Such tight integration can get to be suffocating. And it just feels weird when you start to use apps that don't quite fit in, like Thunderbird instead of K-Mail, so there's a hole in the fabric. One spot where everything doesn't quite line up... I dropped KDE for icewm. Quite happy with it. It's enough but not too much. Cool themes too. Joe Fleming wrote: I still like the lighter weight WMs over either Gnome or KDE, though I understand their out of the box appeal. I used to use Openbox when I was running Gentoo back in the day and it was amazing. When I switched to Ubuntu it came with Gnome, and since I was already a lazy Linux user by then (which is why I left Gentoo in the first place), I left it at that. I ran Xubuntu and I absolutely loved how fast Xfce ran, but there were just enough little loose ends to make me switch back to Ubuntu after a couple weeks. I have a friend that did some amazing things with fvwm, but it seems like a lot of tweaking before you get it right. I ran KDE3 for a little while too, but I though it was too much like windows and it wasn't responsive enough for me. I really hope KDE4 finds its bearing in 4.2 or some later release. The ideas behind it are pretty revolutionary, just too bad it was so poorly implemented. I had planned to try it out, but then I read so much bad press I figured I'd wait for a bit. One of these days I get back to Openbox/Fluxbox though, I swear it! -Joe Craig White wrote: On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 09:54 -0700, James Finstrom wrote: I would say kde4 was the vista of kde. To many changes and to much flair pushed on people with no real classic mode. I got kde4 working 90% the way I wanted but there were still some things that I would look cross eyed at. I believe that the saying goes...if you want to make an omelet, you have to break some eggs They had to move from QT3 to QT4 at some point. This definitely broke a lot of code and they decided that KDE 4 had to be a complete re-write from top to bottom. They decided to re-write the rules of a Desktop and everything including the desktop itself is a Plasmoid. I suspect that most of the negativity comes from two things... - expectations and most of them are the habits acquired from years of using GUI based systems and dropping files on the desktop. This is only supported in a very crude way. - early, often release...the only way to get bugs fixed is to get people using it. KDE developers decided that the only way forward was to concentrate solely on new development and abandoned the KDE-3 codebase because updating it would severely drain their resources. This left packagers on the various distro's with the choice of going with the new KDE-4 or hanging on with KDE-3 with no new development. Clearly the concept of release early and often is a mainstay of Linux in general so yes, there is growing pain and it would have been smarter of Linus not to turn it into a popularity contest because if anyone should understand the concept of release early and often, it should be Linus. Craig --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
I sat in Linus' chair when working with OSDL in Oregon. OSDL's technical advisory board [LWN.net] www.Obnosis.com | http://wiki.obnosis.com | http://hackfest.obnosis.com | http://nuke.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 PLUG HACKFESTS - http://uat.edu Second Saturday of Each Month Noon - 3PM Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:17:11 -0700 Subject: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome From: jjzeid...@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- Jason wrote: I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap On 1/24/09, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- Jason wrote: I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 17:03 -0700, Tuna wrote: You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- lol. Actually, I've been on this list for awhile. I don't see much comraderie between all the list members, nor do I see people worship anybody in particular. I'm sure my comment will go by with little notice. Let's see...history is changing. Steve Jobs - No longer running Apple. Bill Gates - No longer running Microsoft. Linus Torvalds - No longer running KDE. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
James, there are a lot of clear advantages to using the Ubuntu distro. For starters its far more stable than Kubuntu. I used to be a Kubuntu guy, but I just gave into Ubuntu, its the easiest way for me to run Linux, plus its an easy sell to a manager, etc. Even though we all value choice, sometimes you just gotta get with the program. -jmz On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap On 1/24/09, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- Jason wrote: I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Linus Torvalds Switches to Gnome
this is the reality of the computing world really. technology does not exist for its own sake, but for the sake of supplying the need. windows linux apple OS2 wichever if it pisses people off it fails. Overall people really dont want to invest a horrible amount of time into making something work unless absolutely needed. i think that tis reality is soemthign ubuntu met incredibly well. they took a very good base and pacakge management system and put alot of polish into it and i think for most users its great.. but in the end i see RH/CentOs/SUSE being the business favored backend, for now.. and that only because of RPM more than anything else.. there are some things that just get easier to do with an RPM than rolling a script and sorting it out. i may be smark, but i lack the special patience that a decent programmer needs, and therfore i look for thigns that others have built and assemble them as needed. This is a reality of the world, even in somsone who has the codeing familiarity with linux as Torvaldis he still breaks down to a point where it makes his life easier to work in the same way... On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Joshua Zeidner jjzeid...@gmail.com wrote: James, there are a lot of clear advantages to using the Ubuntu distro. For starters its far more stable than Kubuntu. I used to be a Kubuntu guy, but I just gave into Ubuntu, its the easiest way for me to run Linux, plus its an easy sell to a manager, etc. Even though we all value choice, sometimes you just gotta get with the program. -jmz On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Finstrom jfinst...@rhinoequipment.com wrote: I was a kde user and still like and use a lot of kde apps. I fought the gnome thing because I didn't like the feel and noo need to mess with it when I have kde. Well after the ubuntu 8.10 presentation I noticed I was missing several of ubuntus toys that didn't get rolled in to kubuntu so I decided to install gnome. After about 5 minutes I had it looking and feeling like my friend kde so I got to have my cake and eat it too this is the true beauty of linux. I have kdm installes still but haven't signed in to it since I made the gnome leap On 1/24/09, Tuna t...@supertunaman.com wrote: You just lit a blaze in a fireworks factory, my friend. FLAMEWAR OH SHI- Jason wrote: I'm shocked it took him so long to wisen up...isn't he a genius? :) On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 16:17 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: I'm shocked. -jmz http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F24%2F1842218from=rss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Sent from my mobile device James Finstrom Rhino Equipment Corp. http://rhinoequipment.com ~ http://postug.com Phone: 1-877-RHINO-T1 ~ FAX: +1 (480) 961-1826 Twitter: http://twitter.com/rhinoequipment IP: gu...@asterisk.rhinoequipment.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
