RE: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-08 Thread Bryan O'Neal 
There are a few open source phone out their you can do this with.  But none 
(Even the Sun Java Phone) is a neat turn key solution.  That combined with the 
data link costs are why I am back in the dark ages using a standard no data 
cell :)

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Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:

> Attached is a link to a screenshot 
> <http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/albums/Miscellaneous/rogersucks.png> of 
> what I received. I couldn't believe it.  For anyone who doesn't want to click 
> the link, here is a summary:
>
> * No matter what subject he sets for his message, it gets overriden with "You 
> have received a Picture Message from your Rogers Wireless friend..."
> * Besides the picture that he meant to send, included in the message were a 
> DOZEN OTHER ATTACHMENTS!
> * ...including advertisements in picture format, and other needless crap like 
> their logo banner, verisign logos, etc.
>
> So basically the MMS "feature" of his cell service is useless, as they force 
> in a bunch of spam images and override your subject and body text with their 
> own. We tested and it does this even if sending mobile-to-mobile MMS. What 
> are they thinking?

This is why I want bluetooth syncing to my computer over my network and
not using their network. If there is syncing over their network I want it
via an encrypted tunnel from my phone/PDA to my computer and only open on
the originating device and my network.

The phone company doesn't need copies of my pictures and doesn't need to
be mucking with them or tracking them.

Maybe it's time to try community run mesh networks again :).

ciao,

der.hans
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RE: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-08 Thread Bryan O'Neal 
Sigh...  Yep I am with Verizon now.  Cost me a 25 cents to send a picture to my 
email.  Though that used to be $1.00 but I can still complain.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon M. Hanson
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:57 PM
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Bluetooth has nothing to do with the phone network. It's a wireless standard 
between two devices. Carriers (Verizon comes to mind) that have been known to 
cripple or disable Bluetooth file transfer on their phones so you have to use 
their network (and be charged by them). Is this what you referring to?

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From: "der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:40:57 
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Subject: Re: Worst cell provider I have seen


Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:

> Attached is a link to a screenshot 
> <http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/albums/Miscellaneous/rogersucks.png> of 
> what I received. I couldn't believe it.  For anyone who doesn't want to click 
> the link, here is a summary:
>
> * No matter what subject he sets for his message, it gets overriden with "You 
> have received a Picture Message from your Rogers Wireless friend..."
> * Besides the picture that he meant to send, included in the message were a 
> DOZEN OTHER ATTACHMENTS!
> * ...including advertisements in picture format, and other needless crap like 
> their logo banner, verisign logos, etc.
>
> So basically the MMS "feature" of his cell service is useless, as they force 
> in a bunch of spam images and override your subject and body text with their 
> own. We tested and it does this even if sending mobile-to-mobile MMS. What 
> are they thinking?

This is why I want bluetooth syncing to my computer over my network and
not using their network. If there is syncing over their network I want it
via an encrypted tunnel from my phone/PDA to my computer and only open on
the originating device and my network.

The phone company doesn't need copies of my pictures and doesn't need to
be mucking with them or tracking them.

Maybe it's time to try community run mesh networks again :).

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-07 Thread Craig White 

On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 13:53 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Jon M. Hanson so:
> 
> > Bluetooth has nothing to do with the phone network. It's a wireless 
> > standard between two devices. Carriers (Verizon comes to mind) that have 
> > been known to cripple or disable Bluetooth file transfer on their phones so 
> > you have to use their network (and be charged by them). Is this what you 
> > referring to?
> 
> Exactly. It doesn't need to go on their network. I was part of the class
> action against Verizon due to them disabling bluetooth and not admitting
> it.
> 
> My pictures, they don't need to see copies. I certainly don't want
> advertising coming through with my pictures.
> 
> Hmm, maybe we should all start adding advertising with tracking bugs to
> email we send to corporations...

hmmm...your last statement has a clue. All e-mail programs (that I am
familiar with) now default to NOT load embedded images, at least if the
sender isn't in your address book, much to prohibit the very behavior
you are suggesting.

Thus it would appear that this is also deviating from standard behavior.

Of course Rogers is Canadian and subject to Canadian law which is so
backward, they don't even have DMCA (yet).  ;-)

Craig



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Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-07 Thread der.hans 

Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Jon M. Hanson so:


Bluetooth has nothing to do with the phone network. It's a wireless standard 
between two devices. Carriers (Verizon comes to mind) that have been known to 
cripple or disable Bluetooth file transfer on their phones so you have to use 
their network (and be charged by them). Is this what you referring to?


Exactly. It doesn't need to go on their network. I was part of the class
action against Verizon due to them disabling bluetooth and not admitting
it.

My pictures, they don't need to see copies. I certainly don't want
advertising coming through with my pictures.

Hmm, maybe we should all start adding advertising with tracking bugs to
email we send to corporations...

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-07 Thread Jon M. Hanson 
Bluetooth has nothing to do with the phone network. It's a wireless standard 
between two devices. Carriers (Verizon comes to mind) that have been known to 
cripple or disable Bluetooth file transfer on their phones so you have to use 
their network (and be charged by them). Is this what you referring to?

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Subject: Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:

> Attached is a link to a screenshot 
> <http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/albums/Miscellaneous/rogersucks.png> of 
> what I received. I couldn't believe it.  For anyone who doesn't want to click 
> the link, here is a summary:
>
> * No matter what subject he sets for his message, it gets overriden with "You 
> have received a Picture Message from your Rogers Wireless friend..."
> * Besides the picture that he meant to send, included in the message were a 
> DOZEN OTHER ATTACHMENTS!
> * ...including advertisements in picture format, and other needless crap like 
> their logo banner, verisign logos, etc.
>
> So basically the MMS "feature" of his cell service is useless, as they force 
> in a bunch of spam images and override your subject and body text with their 
> own. We tested and it does this even if sending mobile-to-mobile MMS. What 
> are they thinking?

This is why I want bluetooth syncing to my computer over my network and
not using their network. If there is syncing over their network I want it
via an encrypted tunnel from my phone/PDA to my computer and only open on
the originating device and my network.

The phone company doesn't need copies of my pictures and doesn't need to
be mucking with them or tracking them.

Maybe it's time to try community run mesh networks again :).

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-07 Thread Jon M. Hanson 
Bluetooth has nothing to do with the phone network. It's a wireless standard 
between two devices. Carriers (Verizon comes to mind) that have been known to 
cripple or disable Bluetooth file transfer on their phones so you have to use 
their network (and be charged by them). Is this what you referring to?

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: "der.hans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:40:57 
To:Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Worst cell provider I have seen


Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:

> Attached is a link to a screenshot 
> <http://www.the-ownage.com/gallery/albums/Miscellaneous/rogersucks.png> of 
> what I received. I couldn't believe it.  For anyone who doesn't want to click 
> the link, here is a summary:
>
> * No matter what subject he sets for his message, it gets overriden with "You 
> have received a Picture Message from your Rogers Wireless friend..."
> * Besides the picture that he meant to send, included in the message were a 
> DOZEN OTHER ATTACHMENTS!
> * ...including advertisements in picture format, and other needless crap like 
> their logo banner, verisign logos, etc.
>
> So basically the MMS "feature" of his cell service is useless, as they force 
> in a bunch of spam images and override your subject and body text with their 
> own. We tested and it does this even if sending mobile-to-mobile MMS. What 
> are they thinking?

This is why I want bluetooth syncing to my computer over my network and
not using their network. If there is syncing over their network I want it
via an encrypted tunnel from my phone/PDA to my computer and only open on
the originating device and my network.

The phone company doesn't need copies of my pictures and doesn't need to
be mucking with them or tracking them.

Maybe it's time to try community run mesh networks again :).

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: Worst cell provider I have seen

2008-01-07 Thread der.hans 

Am 07. Jan, 2008 schwätzte Charles Jones so:

Attached is a link to a screenshot 
 of 
what I received. I couldn't believe it.  For anyone who doesn't want to click 
the link, here is a summary:


* No matter what subject he sets for his message, it gets overriden with "You 
have received a Picture Message from your Rogers Wireless friend..."
* Besides the picture that he meant to send, included in the message were a 
DOZEN OTHER ATTACHMENTS!
* ...including advertisements in picture format, and other needless crap like 
their logo banner, verisign logos, etc.


So basically the MMS "feature" of his cell service is useless, as they force 
in a bunch of spam images and override your subject and body text with their 
own. We tested and it does this even if sending mobile-to-mobile MMS. What 
are they thinking?


This is why I want bluetooth syncing to my computer over my network and
not using their network. If there is syncing over their network I want it
via an encrypted tunnel from my phone/PDA to my computer and only open on
the originating device and my network.

The phone company doesn't need copies of my pictures and doesn't need to
be mucking with them or tracking them.

Maybe it's time to try community run mesh networks again :).

ciao,

der.hans
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