Re: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
Am 23. Jul, 2010 schwätzte keith smith so: It is great the Government is using some open source / free software. And they also released some into the public domain is great. I would also offer a word of caution - make sure any software the government released is free from any type of reporting code or a back door. The same as code from anyone else :). With Free Software we can do that type of validation. Proprietary software customers are depending on the company putting customer priorities higher than company priorities. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classeshttp://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # As we enjoy great Advantages from the # Inventions of others we should be glad of an # Opportunity to serve others by any Invention of ours, # and this we should do freely and generously. # -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), on his refusal to patent his inventions.--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
It is great the Government is using some open source / free software. And they also released some into the public domain is great. I would also offer a word of caution - make sure any software the government released is free from any type of reporting code or a back door. Keith Smith If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14 --- On Thu, 7/22/10, der.hans wrote: From: der.hans Subject: Re: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft" To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:15 PM Am 09. Jul, 2010 schwätzte j...@actionline.com so: moin moin Joe, > Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. We have a little. We need lots :). Obama's White House team has been using Free Software. More importantly, it's been releasing Free Software. http://www.whitehouse.gov/tech I believe the Dean Machine ran almost completely on Free Software as well. I believe it also provided a lot of code and paid for even more development. While he was campaigning, Obama released position papers with slightly pro Free Software stances. Off the top of my head, I don't know of other national politicians and agencies with pro Free Software actions. There is a group supposedly having success getting the gov't to adopt Free Software. There was a presentation on it at OSCON this week. Search identi.ca for !OSCON or @bkuhn. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes http://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." # -- Albert Einstein -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
Am 09. Jul, 2010 schwätzte j...@actionline.com so: moin moin Joe, Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. We have a little. We need lots :). Obama's White House team has been using Free Software. More importantly, it's been releasing Free Software. http://www.whitehouse.gov/tech I believe the Dean Machine ran almost completely on Free Software as well. I believe it also provided a lot of code and paid for even more development. While he was campaigning, Obama released position papers with slightly pro Free Software stances. Off the top of my head, I don't know of other national politicians and agencies with pro Free Software actions. There is a group supposedly having success getting the gov't to adopt Free Software. There was a presentation on it at OSCON this week. Search identi.ca for !OSCON or @bkuhn. ciao, der.hans -- # http://www.LuftHans.com/Classeshttp://www.TwoGeekTechs.com/ # Director of Engineering, FonWallet Transaction Solutions, Inc. # "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." # -- Albert Einstein--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
All, I respectfully submit that M$ will not permit this to happen. Remember, they have been found guilty and convicted of violating anti trust laws and will do so anytime they believe their interests are threatened. They have been shown that even with a conviction, the penalty is minimal. They will resort to a form of "dumping" and lower their price for a time or even eliminate the payment requirements all together just to keep those systems in there and running. Steve Ballmer said once something like "If somebody is going to pirate software, we would just as soon they pirate ours." They will do what ever it takes to see to it that doesn't happen. Sorry folks. Tim From: ChasM Marshall To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Sat, July 10, 2010 6:06:20 PM Subject: RE: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft" Joe, I hate to be negative, but it's only a proposal. I don't see much traction to this U.K. proposal although, I am totally FOR it. For example, the Brazilian government successfully banned "proprietary" software. Down there, the MS product line has a much smaller installed base. Their future public budget was the primary concern for the law. But in the U.K. the government has to deal with entrenched political lobby power. The MS marketeers have already pushed pretty deep into their infrastructure. I've read reports of whole school departments being refused purchase funds. Why? Because MS offered a substitute product. They should have specified MS product. Internal conflicts between agencies ensue. It's weird that when a requesting agency asks for non-MS goods, they are denied purchase power by the very sources of budget inefficiency that that country is now fighting. This article shows only the tip of a huge $235 Billion deficit iceberg. "Two of the 31 listed proposals" are what was disclosed. Spit in the ocean. How nice that these suggestions are from officials but, the suggestion box has now expanded to the general public... So now, do they fire the two guys who suggested Linux and open source software? Good luck to Prime Minister David Cameron. Kudos to Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne. His position is confirmed pro-OpenSource. Yay! \o/ (-: Chas.M. :-) > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:46:30 -0600 > Subject: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft" > From: j...@actionline.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Today, the government of the United Kingdom now says: > > "Dump Microsoft, Use Linux ..." > > It's only a matter of time for more and more people wake up to common sense. > >http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-09/dump-microsoft-use-linux-to-save-money-u-k-officials-suggest.html >l > > A few key excerpts: > > New U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron asked 600,000 government workers to > make suggestions on saving money ... 56,000 ideas submitted ... > > ... migrate the whole of government from Microsoft products to Linux and > open-source software like Openoffice” ... suggested dropping Microsoft. > > ... before the Conservatives won power [officials said they] favored the > idea ... quote: “We need to follow the example of businesses all over the > world and take advantage of open-source technology,” > > Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
Joe, I hate to be negative, but it's only a proposal. I don't see much traction to this U.K. proposal although, I am totally FOR it. For example, the Brazilian government successfully banned "proprietary" software. Down there, the MS product line has a much smaller installed base. Their future public budget was the primary concern for the law. But in the U.K. the government has to deal with entrenched political lobby power. The MS marketeers have already pushed pretty deep into their infrastructure. I've read reports of whole school departments being refused purchase funds. Why? Because MS offered a substitute product. They should have specified MS product. Internal conflicts between agencies ensue. It's weird that when a requesting agency asks for non-MS goods, they are denied purchase power by the very sources of budget inefficiency that that country is now fighting. This article shows only the tip of a huge $235 Billion deficit iceberg. "Two of the 31 listed proposals" are what was disclosed. Spit in the ocean. How nice that these suggestions are from officials but, the suggestion box has now expanded to the general public... So now, do they fire the two guys who suggested Linux and open source software? Good luck to Prime Minister David Cameron. Kudos to Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne. His position is confirmed pro-OpenSource. Yay! \o/ (-: Chas.M. :-) > Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:46:30 -0600 > Subject: UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft" > From: j...@actionline.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > > Today, the government of the United Kingdom now says: > > "Dump Microsoft, Use Linux ..." > > It's only a matter of time for more and more people wake up to common sense. > > http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-09/dump-microsoft-use-linux-to-save-money-u-k-officials-suggest.html > > A few key excerpts: > > New U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron asked 600,000 government workers to > make suggestions on saving money ... 56,000 ideas submitted ... > > ... migrate the whole of government from Microsoft products to Linux and > open-source software like Openoffice” ... suggested dropping Microsoft. > > ... before the Conservatives won power [officials said they] favored the > idea ... quote: “We need to follow the example of businesses all over the > world and take advantage of open-source technology,” > > Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. > > > > --- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5--- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
UK Government says, "Dump Microsoft"
Today, the government of the United Kingdom now says: "Dump Microsoft, Use Linux ..." It's only a matter of time for more and more people wake up to common sense. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-09/dump-microsoft-use-linux-to-save-money-u-k-officials-suggest.html A few key excerpts: New U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron asked 600,000 government workers to make suggestions on saving money ... 56,000 ideas submitted ... ... migrate the whole of government from Microsoft products to Linux and open-source software like Openoffice ... suggested dropping Microsoft. ... before the Conservatives won power [officials said they] favored the idea ... quote: We need to follow the example of businesses all over the world and take advantage of open-source technology, Now, if only we could get a little of this common sense in Washington D.C. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
