Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-17 Thread keith smith

Nor the deficit or the lack of a budget.



Keith Smith

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From: Dan Lund situationalawaren...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: etiquette nudge
To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Date: Saturday, July 16, 2011, 9:19 PM

Not once was President Obama, Medicare, or military spending mentioned ;)

--Dan Lund

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
 But not nearly as bad as political discussions and personal attacks...

 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Dan Lund situationalawaren...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
 tongue-in-cheek

 --Dan Lund

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Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-16 Thread Thomas Cameron
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On 07/14/2011 09:50 PM, Stephen wrote:
 I forget these things as gmail Tisha up allot automatically

Voice recognition FAIL?  ;-)
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Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-16 Thread Matt Graham
From: Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com
 On 07/14/2011 09:50 PM, Stephen wrote:
 I forget these things as gmail Tisha up allot automatically
 Voice recognition FAIL?  ;-)

iPhone-autocorrect typing detected?
Cat-like typing detected?
7 margaritas-like typing detected?  :-P

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Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-16 Thread Stephen
Epic android typeing detected

On Jul 16, 2011 11:15 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote:

 From: Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com
  On 07/14/2011 09:50 PM, Stephen wrote:
  I forget these things as gmail Tisha up allot automatically
  Voice recognition FAIL?  ;-)

 iPhone-autocorrect typing detected?
 Cat-like typing detected?
 7 margaritas-like typing detected?  :-P

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Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-16 Thread Dan Lund
Not once was President Obama, Medicare, or military spending mentioned ;)

--Dan Lund

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote:
 But not nearly as bad as political discussions and personal attacks...

 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Dan Lund situationalawaren...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
 tongue-in-cheek

 --Dan Lund

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etiquette nudge

2011-07-14 Thread Mike Bushroe

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:47:12 -0700
 Subject: Re: Looking for NAS Hardware Recommendations
 It's in the firmware zip file[1], something like FWUpdate.exe (they change
 the name sometimes).

 [1] http://www.buffalotech.com/support/getfile/ls_series-143.zip


 On 07/13/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Joseph Sinclair
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
 wrote:
 
  The best suggestion I can make (other than waiting for acp_commander to
 get
  an update so it's able to open up the 1.43 firmware) is to use the
 Windows
  or Mac uploader to upload your modified firmware.
 
 
  I installed the Windows sw that came with the box on the CD, but there is
 no
  option there to upload a file. Is there another piece of software that is
  the Windows uploader? Where do I get it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mark
 
 
  On 07/13/2011 05:45 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Joseph Sinclair 
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
  wrote:
 
  I missed the 1.43 part...  Seems they've improved security.
 
  If you can get a shell prompt with acp_commander, try running whoami.
 If
  you're already root, then passwd -d root will clear the current
  password,
  and you can then set it to anything you like with passwd
 
 
  I get a shell prompt, but nothing seems to work. Every command returns
 3
  blank lines and a prompt.
 
 
  The only safe way to upload firmware is, unfortunately, a Windows or
 Mac
  binary that's included with the firmware update.
 
  That said, you can try
 
 
 http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou'rehttp://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou%27rebrave.
 
  That looks good, but I cannot access /dev/fl1 from the telnet prompt I
  get.
  Nothing works at that prompt.
 
 
  You might also just try (from an acp_commander shell prompt) copying
 the
  ssh key (put it on a share first) from the array locally over to
  /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (make sure to check permissions after
  copying),
  then try ssh.
 
 
  Good idea, if I could just get telnet to work. Any thoughts on that?
 
 
  good luck.
 
  On 07/12/2011 09:59 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
  You shouldn't need to change or upload firmware.
 
  acp_commander can reset the root password (If it can get a shell
 prompt
  it should be able to reset the password...)
java -jar acp_commander.jar -t $YOUR_NAS_IP_ADDRESS -o
  That will clear the root password to nothing, allowing you to login
 via
  ssh or telnet as root with the (blank) password.
 
  You should be able to re-secure things from there (ideally drop an
 SSH
  key in for root, create a second account that can sudo and drop a key
  there
  as well, then lock the password for both to prevent password login and
  disable telnet).
 
  On 07/12/2011 02:25 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Joeseph,
 
  One more issue, oh Great Buffalo NAS one;-)
 
  I started to work on rooting the device by following this
  http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL. First
 stumbling
  block
  is I have firmware 1.43. However, the zip key for 1.41 worked to
 unzip
  the
  firmware image. It turns out ssh is already enabled for root in
 1.43,
  but
  one needs a password. It is not the same as the admin password. So,
 I
  set up
  an ssh key and put the disk image back together as described in the
  article.
  However, how do I get the LS-WXL beastie to gobble up the new
  firmware?
 
  The web access only allows firmware to be downloaded from Buffalo
 (no
  upload
  file dialog, just a button to update the firmware, which only goes
 to
  Buffalo to check on available updates, and then installs them), and
  the
  Windows software does not have an option to upload firmware, either.
 I
  can
  get in with acp_commander to the shell prompt, which seems to be a
  disguised
  telnet prompt, so I am not sure how to upload new firmware via that
  method.
 
  Anyway to get the root password from the device or the file system I
  downloaded so I can use that to ssh in and not have to replace the
  firmware?
 
  Thanks for any further suggestions you may have!
 
  Mark
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Joseph Sinclair
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:
 
  rsync will preserve ownership if you set the option to do so (I
 don't
  recall the exact flag offhand).
  I actually prefer rsync over the Samba mount because cifs doesn't
  understand POSIX permissions.
 
  If you root the box you can certainly do the rsync over ssh, but on
 a
  local
  net native(uncompressed) rsync protocol is *immensely* faster
 because
  the
  little ARM chip in the NAS can't handle the ssh encrypt/decrypt
 very
  fast.
 
  SSH is useful for a lot of things, but I prefer the rsync daemon
 for
  rsync.
 
  IIRC backuppc can handle the hardlink issue via rsync (rsync 

Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-14 Thread Dan Lund
Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
tongue-in-cheek

--Dan Lund

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mike Bushroe mbush...@gmail.com wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
 To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:47:12 -0700
 Subject: Re: Looking for NAS Hardware Recommendations
 It's in the firmware zip file[1], something like FWUpdate.exe (they change
 the name sometimes).

 [1] http://www.buffalotech.com/support/getfile/ls_series-143.zip


 On 07/13/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Joseph Sinclair
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
 wrote:
 
  The best suggestion I can make (other than waiting for acp_commander to
  get
  an update so it's able to open up the 1.43 firmware) is to use the
  Windows
  or Mac uploader to upload your modified firmware.
 
 
  I installed the Windows sw that came with the box on the CD, but there
  is no
  option there to upload a file. Is there another piece of software that
  is
  the Windows uploader? Where do I get it?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Mark
 
 
  On 07/13/2011 05:45 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Joseph Sinclair 
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
  wrote:
 
  I missed the 1.43 part...  Seems they've improved security.
 
  If you can get a shell prompt with acp_commander, try running whoami.
  If
  you're already root, then passwd -d root will clear the current
  password,
  and you can then set it to anything you like with passwd
 
 
  I get a shell prompt, but nothing seems to work. Every command returns
  3
  blank lines and a prompt.
 
 
  The only safe way to upload firmware is, unfortunately, a Windows or
  Mac
  binary that's included with the firmware update.
 
  That said, you can try
 
 
  http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou're
  brave.
 
  That looks good, but I cannot access /dev/fl1 from the telnet prompt I
  get.
  Nothing works at that prompt.
 
 
  You might also just try (from an acp_commander shell prompt) copying
  the
  ssh key (put it on a share first) from the array locally over to
  /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (make sure to check permissions after
  copying),
  then try ssh.
 
 
  Good idea, if I could just get telnet to work. Any thoughts on that?
 
 
  good luck.
 
  On 07/12/2011 09:59 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
  You shouldn't need to change or upload firmware.
 
  acp_commander can reset the root password (If it can get a shell
  prompt
  it should be able to reset the password...)
    java -jar acp_commander.jar -t $YOUR_NAS_IP_ADDRESS -o
  That will clear the root password to nothing, allowing you to login
  via
  ssh or telnet as root with the (blank) password.
 
  You should be able to re-secure things from there (ideally drop an
  SSH
  key in for root, create a second account that can sudo and drop a key
  there
  as well, then lock the password for both to prevent password login
  and
  disable telnet).
 
  On 07/12/2011 02:25 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
  Joeseph,
 
  One more issue, oh Great Buffalo NAS one;-)
 
  I started to work on rooting the device by following this
  http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL. First
  stumbling
  block
  is I have firmware 1.43. However, the zip key for 1.41 worked to
  unzip
  the
  firmware image. It turns out ssh is already enabled for root in
  1.43,
  but
  one needs a password. It is not the same as the admin password. So,
  I
  set up
  an ssh key and put the disk image back together as described in the
  article.
  However, how do I get the LS-WXL beastie to gobble up the new
  firmware?
 
  The web access only allows firmware to be downloaded from Buffalo
  (no
  upload
  file dialog, just a button to update the firmware, which only goes
  to
  Buffalo to check on available updates, and then installs them), and
  the
  Windows software does not have an option to upload firmware,
  either. I
  can
  get in with acp_commander to the shell prompt, which seems to be a
  disguised
  telnet prompt, so I am not sure how to upload new firmware via that
  method.
 
  Anyway to get the root password from the device or the file system
  I
  downloaded so I can use that to ssh in and not have to replace the
  firmware?
 
  Thanks for any further suggestions you may have!
 
  Mark
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Joseph Sinclair
  plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:
 
  rsync will preserve ownership if you set the option to do so (I
  don't
  recall the exact flag offhand).
  I actually prefer rsync over the Samba mount because cifs doesn't
  understand POSIX permissions.
 
  If you root the box you can certainly do the rsync over ssh, but
  on a
  local
  net native(uncompressed) rsync protocol is *immensely* faster
  because
  the
  little ARM chip in the NAS can't handle the ssh encrypt/decrypt
  very
  fast.
 
  SSH is useful for a lot of things, but I 

Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-14 Thread Lisa Kachold
But not nearly as bad as political discussions and personal attacks...

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Dan Lund situationalawaren...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ranks right up there with the top/bottom post thing, huh?
 tongue-in-cheek

 --Dan Lund

 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mike Bushroe mbush...@gmail.com wrote:
  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Joseph Sinclair plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
  To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
  Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:47:12 -0700
  Subject: Re: Looking for NAS Hardware Recommendations
  It's in the firmware zip file[1], something like FWUpdate.exe (they
 change
  the name sometimes).
 
  [1] http://www.buffalotech.com/support/getfile/ls_series-143.zip
 
 
  On 07/13/2011 08:55 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
   On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Joseph Sinclair
   plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
  wrote:
  
   The best suggestion I can make (other than waiting for acp_commander
 to
   get
   an update so it's able to open up the 1.43 firmware) is to use the
   Windows
   or Mac uploader to upload your modified firmware.
  
  
   I installed the Windows sw that came with the box on the CD, but there
   is no
   option there to upload a file. Is there another piece of software that
   is
   the Windows uploader? Where do I get it?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Mark
  
  
   On 07/13/2011 05:45 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
   On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Joseph Sinclair 
   plug-discuss...@stcaz.net
   wrote:
  
   I missed the 1.43 part...  Seems they've improved security.
  
   If you can get a shell prompt with acp_commander, try running
 whoami.
   If
   you're already root, then passwd -d root will clear the current
   password,
   and you can then set it to anything you like with passwd
  
  
   I get a shell prompt, but nothing seems to work. Every command
 returns
   3
   blank lines and a prompt.
  
  
   The only safe way to upload firmware is, unfortunately, a Windows
 or
   Mac
   binary that's included with the firmware update.
  
   That said, you can try
  
  
  
 http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou'rehttp://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Manually_flash_the_LinkStation%27s_firmwareifyou%27re
   brave.
  
   That looks good, but I cannot access /dev/fl1 from the telnet prompt
 I
   get.
   Nothing works at that prompt.
  
  
   You might also just try (from an acp_commander shell prompt)
 copying
   the
   ssh key (put it on a share first) from the array locally over to
   /root/.ssh/authorized_keys (make sure to check permissions after
   copying),
   then try ssh.
  
  
   Good idea, if I could just get telnet to work. Any thoughts on that?
  
  
   good luck.
  
   On 07/12/2011 09:59 PM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
   You shouldn't need to change or upload firmware.
  
   acp_commander can reset the root password (If it can get a shell
   prompt
   it should be able to reset the password...)
 java -jar acp_commander.jar -t $YOUR_NAS_IP_ADDRESS -o
   That will clear the root password to nothing, allowing you to
 login
   via
   ssh or telnet as root with the (blank) password.
  
   You should be able to re-secure things from there (ideally drop an
   SSH
   key in for root, create a second account that can sudo and drop a
 key
   there
   as well, then lock the password for both to prevent password login
   and
   disable telnet).
  
   On 07/12/2011 02:25 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
   Joeseph,
  
   One more issue, oh Great Buffalo NAS one;-)
  
   I started to work on rooting the device by following this
   http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:LS-WXL. First
   stumbling
   block
   is I have firmware 1.43. However, the zip key for 1.41 worked to
   unzip
   the
   firmware image. It turns out ssh is already enabled for root in
   1.43,
   but
   one needs a password. It is not the same as the admin password.
 So,
   I
   set up
   an ssh key and put the disk image back together as described in
 the
   article.
   However, how do I get the LS-WXL beastie to gobble up the new
   firmware?
  
   The web access only allows firmware to be downloaded from Buffalo
   (no
   upload
   file dialog, just a button to update the firmware, which only
 goes
   to
   Buffalo to check on available updates, and then installs them),
 and
   the
   Windows software does not have an option to upload firmware,
   either. I
   can
   get in with acp_commander to the shell prompt, which seems to be
 a
   disguised
   telnet prompt, so I am not sure how to upload new firmware via
 that
   method.
  
   Anyway to get the root password from the device or the file
 system
   I
   downloaded so I can use that to ssh in and not have to replace
 the
   firmware?
  
   Thanks for any further suggestions you may have!
  
   Mark
  
  
   On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Joseph Sinclair
   plug-discuss...@stcaz.netwrote:
  
   rsync will preserve ownership if you set the option to do so (I
   don't
   recall 

Re: etiquette nudge

2011-07-14 Thread Stephen
I forget these things as gmail Tisha up allot automatically
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