Re: [PLUG] I wish, I knew this when I started with Vim

[Gaurav Pant]

Hi,

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:37 PM Shridhar Daithankar <
ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote:

> On २५/११/१९ १०:३७ म.पू., Mayuresh wrote:
> > With due respect for benefits of IDEs, they also make programmers blind
> to
> > the underlying system. They just don't want to leave the cosy comfort of
> > their IDE once they get used to it and never get a chance to learn and
> > master the underlying environment.
>
> IME the situation is not that rosy. People cannot read/write a single
>

Long time no see of use of abbr. Took some time to fine out: *IME means "*In
My Experience"
:D


> line of code, if they don't have an IDE. They don't understand the
> working of IDE  or the tools offered by it either.
>
> It is on par with a superstition now.
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Re: [PLUG] I wish, I knew this when I started with Vim

[Tejas Sanap]

On Mon 25 Nov, 2019, 10:37 PM Shridhar Daithankar, <
ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote:

> IME the situation is not that rosy. People cannot read/write a single
> line of code, if they don't have an IDE. They don't understand the
> working of IDE  or the tools offered by it either.
>
The question most people ask is if it is worth the time and efforts it
takes to set up everything on their own. They see no value in knowing how
the gears and springs in their watches work, as long as it's hands are
ticking.

It is on par with a superstition now.
>

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Re: [PLUG] I wish, I knew this when I started with Vim

[Tejas Sanap]

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:35:58AM +0530, Gaurav Pant wrote:
> 
> Long time no see of use of abbr. Took some time to fine out: *IME means "*In
> My Experience"
> :D

Haha... I had to google to it, too.

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Re: [PLUG] I wish, I knew this when I started with Vim

[Shridhar Daithankar]

On २६/११/१९ ९:२१ म.पू., Tejas Sanap wrote:
> On Mon 25 Nov, 2019, 10:37 PM Shridhar Daithankar, <
> ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote:
> 
>> IME the situation is not that rosy. People cannot read/write a single
>> line of code, if they don't have an IDE. They don't understand the
>> working of IDE  or the tools offered by it either.
>>
> The question most people ask is if it is worth the time and efforts it
> takes to set up everything on their own. They see no value in knowing how
> the gears and springs in their watches work, as long as it's hands are
> ticking.

If that is an informed opinion, then it is ok. But most of the time it's
not.  Even if it is pointed that they need to understand how it works,
they will be hesitant/reluctant to know it.

Some do learn, if nudged. Most remain on the fence of
know-bare-minimum-and-get-it-done.

> It is on par with a superstition now.

Almost wrote that in my last mail :P
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Re: [PLUG] I wish, I knew this when I started with Vim

[AlphaOmega]

On Nov 27, 2019 8:12 AM, Shridhar Daithankar  wrote:On २६/११/१९ ९:२१ म.पू., Tejas Sanap wrote:
> On Mon 25 Nov, 2019, 10:37 PM Shridhar Daithankar, <
> ghodech...@ghodechhap.net> wrote:
> 
>> IME the situation is not that rosy. People cannot read/write a single
>> line of code, if they don't have an IDE. They don't understand the
>> working of IDE  or the tools offered by it either.
>>
> The question most people ask is if it is worth the time and efforts it
> takes to set up everything on their own. They see no value in knowing how
> the gears and springs in their watches work, as long as it's hands are
> ticking.
If that is an informed opinion, then it is ok. But most of the time it's
not.  Even if it is pointed that they need to understand how it works,
they will be hesitant/reluctant to know it.
Some do learn, if nudged. Most remain on the fence of
know-bare-minimum-and-get-it-done.
> It is on par with a superstition now.
Almost wrote that in my last mail :PBeen a long time since I've last seen a happy and non-debate oriented discussion on here.I'm beginning to avoid using abbreviations because of how many wacky ones we have in the office.Feels good to see a proper and clear use of one.
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Re: [PLUG] Editable PDFs - Does the world need them?

[AlphaOmega]

On Nov 25, 2019 12:38 PM, Tejas Sanap  wrote:On Mon 25 Nov, 2019, 12:27 PM AlphaOmega,  wrote:Umm, probably not in a  WYSIWY-edit way but PDFs are editable via LaTeX (and similar TypeScript wrappers). Anyone tried that before?Yes. It is possible to a certain extent using the document conversion utility called "pdftotext" [1]. However, LaTeX is another battle to fight.Umm, wouldn't it be neat to simply write a PDF rather than be worried about conversions? That's what I referred to originally.Why bother conversions when one can directly write in the desired format? If converting a document in one format to another format, is something you do on a regular basis, I suggest, checking out pandoc [2][3].[1]: https://www.xpdfreader.com/pdftotext-man.html[2]: https://pandoc.org/diagram.jpg[3]: https://pandoc.org/--Tejas Sanap.(whereistejas on Freenode)https://whereistejas.me
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