Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
After long searching I now decided on Icons: I'll take them from wikimedia commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Weather_icons) - this is really the only place where I found proper licensing information, which allows me to use the images. There are some ugly icons I know, don't be afraid :) Just scroll down to the ones starting with 'Weather-' - these are from the Tango Desktop Project or variations of it. I'm on holiday the next 2 weeks, no internet but laptop with me :) ... hope I can show something working by then ... -- bluegaspode One SB-Duet+Receiver. Server running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL). Needing one more device for bedroom and waiting for the radio :) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
There are some pretty cool icon sets here: http://liquidweather.net/icons.php#iconsets Not sure if they're free to use under GPL licensing... -- nuzzy nuzzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
I just want to say this is really exciting. Lack of a weather screensaver has been one of my biggest disappointments with the controller. -- sander sander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
Here are some UI-design studies for the different resolutions (Controller/Radio/Touch). The main area is supposed to toggle between current weather and current day forecast. Small icons represent 3day-forecast. Icon will change in the future. I'm not happy yet with the Radio-resolution. Text is scrolling there currently, have no idea how to distribute the space better so that no scrolling is needed. +---+ |Filename: weather-touch.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=8119| +---+ -- bluegaspode One SB-Duet+Receiver. Server running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL). Needing one more device for bedroom and waiting for the radio :) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
www.wunderground.com Provides good local weather. Incorporates personal weather stations which allows a bit more local weather to be taken into account. -- lrossouw 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
lrossouw;458269 Wrote: www.wunderground.com Provides good local weather. Incorporates personal weather stations which allows a bit more local weather to be taken into account. I'll be taking wunderground indeed. Yahoo only has two days forcast, weatherbug needs an account (didn't see this last week or they introduced it in the meantime), google is undocumented and copyright is unclear, weatherbug seems fine. Just have to find some good free to use icons, will evaluate sources of vw195 soon. -- bluegaspode One SB-Duet+Receiver. Server running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL). Needing one more device for bedroom and waiting for the radio :) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
cparker;457263 Wrote: In my opinion this is to heavy, most datasets are only updated twice a day [...] thanks - his is a really helpful thought ! Good luck with that, most of the API/RSS feeds only give limited data, so you either need to suck the data from the screen or find a good provider. Most of the plugins check www.weather.com [...] Be careful with copyright infringement To be honest - the current way the other plugins are working (screenscraping the website) is definitely a copyright infringement. Just read the terms of usage on weather.com (http://www.weather.com/common/home/legal.html?from=footer), 3B: You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part This also includes the text, not only the images. Weather.com even has an official API but you would have to register for that, which none of the plugins do. Not that I want to sue any of the other developers :) Weatherbug on the other hand has official API, which is free to use for personal use, as long as you name them (http://weather.weatherbug.com/desktop-weather/api-terms-of-use.html). Didn't read to the end yet, but will do before going on, copyright is alway a bit tricky I guess. So you can use any gfx you want and you arent limited to what the provider uses. I'd be open to anyone contributing nice images ! Unfortunately I'm not the best at drawing, so I think I'll stick with the images provided (at least for the start) You need to plan for a lot of users using your plugin (even if you only have a few) and think about the case where 1000+ users are all pulling data from the provider and therefore what you can cache locally to ensure minimal impact to the provider. I guess by using the API I'm putting less load on their server compared to screenscraping the whole website ? But you are right - I'll put some sort of image-caching on the todo-list - together with reducing the update-frequency to say 1-2 hours. Really appreciate your comments ! Next thing to come are some UI design studies ... now that the 7.4 SqueezePlay is out I even can start to think about the different resolutions of Touch/Radio/Controller. -- bluegaspode One SB-Duet+Receiver. Server running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL). Needing one more device for bedroom and waiting for the radio :) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
bluegaspode;457767 Wrote: To be honest - the current way the other plugins are working (screenscraping the website) is definitely a copyright infringement. Just read the terms of usage on weather.com (http://www.weather.com/common/home/legal.html?from=footer), 3B: You may not modify, publish, transmit, display, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part This also includes the text, not only the images. Weather.com came down on WeatherTime plugin developers and users a year or two ago, and that plugin now it uses 'Weather Underground' (http://www.wunderground.com/). I am not a lawyer, but I think that WeatherTime isn't infringing WU's copyright, unless the user gets into commercial usage, which is another story. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
bluegaspode;457767 Wrote: Really appreciate your comments ! Next thing to come are some UI design studies ... now that the 7.4 SqueezePlay is out I even can start to think about the different resolutions of Touch/Radio/Controller. If you look for weather panel and or pocket weather program icons for windows mobile, they have a large variety of icons available: http://www.weatherpanel.net/ http://forums.sbsh.net/index.php?showforum=68 although I think you have to register for the latter. Good luck -- vw195 vw195's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
bluegaspode;456714 Wrote: - should update data every 15min In my opinion this is to heavy, most datasets are only updated twice a day, though this obviously depends where you obtain your datafeed. So you are causing traffic for the provider for no reason. One check per hour makes sense as the maximum, if you need more than that you are better off looking out the window! bluegaspode;456714 Wrote: 1) where to take weather data from ? I don't want to parse HTML-sites (like the other plugins), there should be a proper API and a specified stable result. Good luck with that, most of the API/RSS feeds only give limited data, so you either need to suck the data from the screen or find a good provider. Most of the plugins check www.weather.com, wunderground, or an old one I wrote bbc.co.uk/weather bluegaspode;456714 Wrote: Currently WeatherBug has one big advantage over the other - it provides real nice icons in different resolution (and transparent background) Be careful with copyright infringement, the way current plugins are working is to extract the forecast and check the forecast text and link this up to a number stored in an array/list, with the number e.g. 1.gif (sunny) or 2.gif (rain) being the gfx to display on the screen. So you can use any gfx you want and you arent limited to what the provider uses. You need to plan for a lot of users using your plugin (even if you only have a few) and think about the case where 1000+ users are all pulling data from the provider and therefore what you can cache locally to ensure minimal impact to the provider. If you become a burden they will just cut your plugin off as you arent generating any revenue for them. Good Luck, look forward to seeing your work, dont forget to use an Async data request :) -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Visit for an enhanced Interface for MusicIP and integration tips and tricks, Plugin coding tips, Spicefly SugarCube the MIP AutoDJ plugin and SpiceyWeather an animated weather forecast plugin! cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
[SlimDevices: Plugins] Thinking of a weather screensafer for the DUET (later Radio+Touch)
I really jealous on the weather-forecast plugins, which render nicely on squeezebox boom and alike (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67655). Just I don't like the way they work on my Controller - information only shows up in the extras menu - I'd rather like a real screensafer which shows nice icons when the duet is in the dock. I thought about doing this myself but there are still some design decisions to make and I wanted some input of the community before starting in the wrong direction. Specs: - should be a real screensaver for DUET. Based on SqueezeOS will work with high probability on Touch and Radio as well - should update data every 15min - should show current day as a big icon, forecast (3 days) below with 3 small icons - temperature alongside or below the images Open questions: 1) where to take weather data from ? I don't want to parse HTML-sites (like the other plugins), there should be a proper API and a specified stable result. Currently I favour 3 APIs: - Yahoo: (Example: http://weather.yahooapis.com/forecastrss?p=USNY0176u=c). This seems to be based on weather.com - WeatherBug: (http://weather.weatherbug.com/Germany/Berlin%20-%20West-weather.html?nav_section=1zcode=z6286). Seems to use own database. - Google Weather API (http://www.google.de/ig/api?weather=berlin) . Don't know where the data is coming from. Currently WeatherBug has one big advantage over the other - it provides real nice icons in different resolution (and transparent background), this is how different images would look like: Yahoo: [image: http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/we/52/28.gif] WeatherBug: [image: http://img.weather.weatherbug.com/forecast/icons/localized/120x101/en/trans/cond008.png] Google: [image: http://www.google.de/ig/images/weather/cloudy.gif] Any other suggestions ? -- bluegaspode One SB-Duet+Receiver. Server running on Linkstation NAS (LS-CHL). Needing one more device for bedroom and waiting for the radio :) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67695 ___ plugins mailing list plugins@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/plugins
