Re: new forrest live site
Tetsuya... You were asking permission. I didn't realize this because there was no need to ask permission... I was just talking about something that irks me for future reference. I told something similar to Glen months ago when he mentioned using forrest and then said "do what you want, you're writing the build and going to be using the doc build the most"... If you tell us about things, we'll likely give you feedback. If you ask us for permission and you need none, you may become confused. :-) -Andy On 7/17/03 10:40 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> ""Can I/we accept his offer? or Can NOT?"" >> You're a committer, you don't have to ask us. Just do it. > > Okay. These sentences above are very simple. Simpler than those > created at "Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400". > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
> > ""Can I/we accept his offer? or Can NOT?"" > You're a committer, you don't have to ask us. Just do it. Okay. These sentences above are very simple. Simpler than those created at "Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400". Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
On 7/17/03 10:12 PM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Again, I want to make things simple. > > Now, Jeff is offeing us to make patches for poi-dev in order to > make the poi-build fit to the forrest and forrestbot. > > ""Can I/we accept his offer? or Can NOT?"" > You're a committer, you don't have to ask us. Just do it. > ... Choice between two things. Very simple. > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > P.S. I'll check the patches from him. > > ------------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons >> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often >> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >> >> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/17/03 8:34 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> --- Original Message --- >>> From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Date:Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 >>> Subject: Re: new forrest live site >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >>> >>>> By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are >>>> doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say >>> >>> I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with >>> out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: >>> >>> validate-xdocs: >>> /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/pr >>> oj >>> ectplan.xml:367:12: >>> The content of element type "document" must match >>> "(header,body,footer?)". >>> >>> This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is >>> relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. >>> This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a >>> different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at >>> http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html >>> >>> So either: >>> >>> - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against >>> Forrest 0.4 >>> - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest >>> 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is >>> released. >>> >>> >>> --Jeff >>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. >>>> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >>>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) >>>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ >>>> >>>> >>> - Original Message Ends >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> -- >> Andrew C. Oliver >> http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp >> Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI >> >> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi >> For Java and Excel, Got POI? >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.terra-intl.com/ > (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) > http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Again, I want to make things simple. Now, Jeff is offeing us to make patches for poi-dev in order to make the poi-build fit to the forrest and forrestbot. ""Can I/we accept his offer? or Can NOT?"" ... Choice between two things. Very simple. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I'll check the patches from him. - On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons > learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often > it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > > You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone > tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every > dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the > dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > > -Andy > > On 7/17/03 8:34 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- Original Message --- > > From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date:Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 > > Subject: Re: new forrest live site > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > >> By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are > >> doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say > > > > I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with > > out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: > > > > validate-xdocs: > > /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/proj > > ectplan.xml:367:12: > > The content of element type "document" must match > > "(header,body,footer?)". > > > > This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is > > relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. > > This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a > > different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at > > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html > > > > So either: > > > > - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against > > Forrest 0.4 > > - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest > > 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is > > released. > > > > > > --Jeff > > > >> Sincerely, > >> > >> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> > >> > >> - > >> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://www.terra-intl.com/ > >> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) > >> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ > >> > >> > > - Original Message Ends > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > Andrew C. Oliver > http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp > Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI > > http://jakarta.apache.org/poi > For Java and Excel, Got POI? > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Yes. I like the fact that poi is a single jar. If there are good reasons in the future to move away from that then so be it but we should try hard to maintain no dependencies if possible. Regards, Glen At 07:56 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: Present method for installing POI: Unzip POI distro Copy Jar file(s) into your WEB-INF/lib or wherever you keep your jar files. -Andy
Re: new forrest live site
Agreement At 08:08 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: I say we wait and see...If it is just unstable continuously I say "see guys, lets switch to straight XSLT via ant tasks or velocity or whatever" Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/
Re: new forrest live site
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:56:50 +1000 Glen Stampoultzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay. That's a fair point. 0.3 to 0.4 was a bit painful simply because > they started enforcing a DTD which we didn't conform to. Hopefully the > transition to 0.5 will be smoother. Should the effort to perform the > transition become too painful I suggest we call a vote on whether we wish > to continue with forrest or move to velocity. I'm about 60% forrest and > 40% velocity at the moment but that may change with with migration. I agree. *IF* it is a pain, we should put the vote. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
I say we wait and see...If it is just unstable continuously I say "see guys, lets switch to straight XSLT via ant tasks or velocity or whatever" On 7/17/03 5:56 PM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay. That's a fair point. 0.3 to 0.4 was a bit painful simply because > they started enforcing a DTD which we didn't conform to. Hopefully the > transition to 0.5 will be smoother. Should the effort to perform the > transition become too painful I suggest we call a vote on whether we wish > to continue with forrest or move to velocity. I'm about 60% forrest and > 40% velocity at the moment but that may change with with migration. > > > At 11:20 PM 17/07/2003, you wrote: >> We have to change things all the time as forrest evolves... I'm not >> suggesting action I'm just whining about how much I hate external >> dependencies especially in the build so that next time I whine you have a >> point of reference + history which provides some glimpse into why I feel >> this way. > > > Glen Stampoultzis > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/ > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Has Erik (Out-Of-Box guy) understood the simplicity of POI installation? Marketers' eyes are more shrewd than those of developers. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:56:58 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Present method for installing POI: > > Unzip POI distro > Copy Jar file(s) into your WEB-INF/lib or wherever you keep your jar files. > > -Andy > > On 7/17/03 5:49 PM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yes but also it's a "smell". If things are so hard to install that you > > need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be > > simplified. > > > > -- Glen > > > > At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: > >> Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community > >> too much. > >> > >> On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in > >>> Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D > >>> > >>> cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>> > >>> - > >>> > >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 > >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tetsuya, > >>>> > >>>> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that > >> crowd > >>>> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that > >> WORKS > >>>> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. > >>>> > >>>> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it > >>>> throws null pointers on launch. > >>>> > >>>> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. > >>>> > >>>> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good > >> documentation...we'll > >>>> optimize next release ;-) > >>>> > >>>> -Andy > >>>> > >>>> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > >>>>> > >>>>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > >>>>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > >>>>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > >>>>> > >>>>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > >>>>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > >>>>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > >>>>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > >>>>> > >>>>> Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a > >> single > >>>>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 > >> weeks > >>>>>> after that ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>
Re: new forrest live site
Okay. That's a fair point. 0.3 to 0.4 was a bit painful simply because they started enforcing a DTD which we didn't conform to. Hopefully the transition to 0.5 will be smoother. Should the effort to perform the transition become too painful I suggest we call a vote on whether we wish to continue with forrest or move to velocity. I'm about 60% forrest and 40% velocity at the moment but that may change with with migration. At 11:20 PM 17/07/2003, you wrote: We have to change things all the time as forrest evolves... I'm not suggesting action I'm just whining about how much I hate external dependencies especially in the build so that next time I whine you have a point of reference + history which provides some glimpse into why I feel this way. Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/
Re: new forrest live site
Present method for installing POI: Unzip POI distro Copy Jar file(s) into your WEB-INF/lib or wherever you keep your jar files. -Andy On 7/17/03 5:49 PM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes but also it's a "smell". If things are so hard to install that you > need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be > simplified. > > -- Glen > > At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: >> Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community >> too much. >> >> On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in >>> Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D >>> >>> cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> - >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Tetsuya, >>>> >>>> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that >> crowd >>>> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that >> WORKS >>>> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. >>>> >>>> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it >>>> throws null pointers on launch. >>>> >>>> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. >>>> >>>> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good >> documentation...we'll >>>> optimize next release ;-) >>>> >>>> -Andy >>>> >>>> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. >>>>> >>>>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! >>>>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven >>>>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* >>>>> >>>>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and >>>>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the >>>>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the >>>>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D >>>>> >>>>> Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a >> single >>>>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 >> weeks >>>>>> after that ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>>>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>>>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, this seems very simple. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Re: new forrest live site
Yes but also it's a "smell". If things are so hard to install that you need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be simplified. -- Glen At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community too much. On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in > Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D > > cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > ------------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Tetsuya, >> >> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd >> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS >> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. >> >> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it >> throws null pointers on launch. >> >> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. >> >> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll >> optimize next release ;-) >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. >>> >>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! >>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven >>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* >>> >>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and >>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the >>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the >>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D >>> >>> Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> - >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single >>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks >>>> after that ;-) >>>> >>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>>>> >>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>>>> >>>>> For me, this seems very simple. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. >>>>>> Lessons >>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more >>>>>> often >>>>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >>>>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Andy > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/
Re: new forrest live site
Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community too much. On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in > Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D > > cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > ----- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Tetsuya, >> >> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd >> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS >> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. >> >> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it >> throws null pointers on launch. >> >> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. >> >> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll >> optimize next release ;-) >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. >>> >>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! >>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven >>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* >>> >>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and >>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the >>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the >>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D >>> >>> Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> - >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single >>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks >>>> after that ;-) >>>> >>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>>>> >>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>>>> >>>>> For me, this seems very simple. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. >>>>>> Lessons >>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more >>>>>> often >>>>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >>>>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Andy > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tetsuya, > > After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd > promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS > and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. > > Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it > throws null pointers on launch. > > Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. > > POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll > optimize next release ;-) > > -Andy > > On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > > > > For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > > I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > > and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > > > > But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > > forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > > bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > > sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > > > > Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > - > > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single > >> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks > >> after that ;-) > >> > >> Big pain. Drives me nuts. > >> > >> > >> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. > >>> > >>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, > >>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as > >>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. > >>> > >>> For me, this seems very simple. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>> > >>> - > >>> > >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons > >>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often > >>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > >>>> > >>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone > >>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every > >>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the > >>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > >>>> > >>>> -Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
We have to change things all the time as forrest evolves... I'm not suggesting action I'm just whining about how much I hate external dependencies especially in the build so that next time I whine you have a point of reference + history which provides some glimpse into why I feel this way. -Andy On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What dependency? We use forrest 0.4 to build the site no further work > required. > > -- Glen > > At 10:35 PM 17/07/2003, you wrote: >> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons >> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often >> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >> >> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/17/03 8:34 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> ------- Original Message --- >>> From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Date:Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 >>> Subject: Re: new forrest live site >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >>> >>>> By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are >>>> doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say >>> >>> I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with >>> out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: >>> >>> validate-xdocs: >>> >> /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/pro>> j >>> ectplan.xml:367:12: >>> The content of element type "document" must match >>> "(header,body,footer?)". >>> >>> This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is >>> relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. >>> This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a >>> different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at >>> http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html >>> >>> So either: >>> >>> - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against >>> Forrest 0.4 >>> - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest >>> 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is >>> released. >>> >>> >>> --Jeff >>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. >>>> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >>>> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) >>>> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ >>>> >>>> >>> - Original Message Ends >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> -- >> Andrew C. Oliver >> http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp >> Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI >> >> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi >> For Java and Excel, Got POI? >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Glen Stampoultzis > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/ > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Tetsuya, After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it throws null pointers on launch. Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll optimize next release ;-) -Andy On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > > For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > > But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > > Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > ------------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single >> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks >> after that ;-) >> >> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >> >> >> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>> >>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>> >>> For me, this seems very simple. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> - >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons >>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often >>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >>>> >>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >>>> >>>> -Andy > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
What dependency? We use forrest 0.4 to build the site no further work required. -- Glen At 10:35 PM 17/07/2003, you wrote: Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the dependencies on top of it rather than under it. -Andy On 7/17/03 8:34 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- Original Message --- > From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 > Subject: Re: new forrest live site > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > >> By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are >> doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say > > I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with > out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: > > validate-xdocs: > /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/proj > ectplan.xml:367:12: > The content of element type "document" must match > "(header,body,footer?)". > > This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is > relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. > This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a > different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html > > So either: > > - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against > Forrest 0.4 > - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest > 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is > released. > > > --Jeff > >> Sincerely, >> >> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> >> >> - >> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) >> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ >> >> > - Original Message Ends > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glen Stampoultzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/
Re: new forrest live site
I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D Simple I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single > case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks > after that ;-) > > Big pain. Drives me nuts. > > > On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. > > > > I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, > > and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as > > all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. > > > > For me, this seems very simple. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > - > > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons > >> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often > >> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > >> > >> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone > >> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every > >> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the > >> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > >> > >> -Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks after that ;-) Big pain. Drives me nuts. On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. > > I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, > and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as > all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. > > For me, this seems very simple. > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > --------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons >> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often >> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >> >> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >> >> -Andy > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. For me, this seems very simple. Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons > learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often > it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > > You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone > tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every > dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the > dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > > -Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new forrest live site
Man this drives me nuts. That¹s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the dependencies on top of it rather than under it. -Andy On 7/17/03 8:34 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- Original Message --- > From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 > Subject: Re: new forrest live site > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > >> By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are >> doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say > > I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with > out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: > > validate-xdocs: > /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/proj > ectplan.xml:367:12: > The content of element type "document" must match > "(header,body,footer?)". > > This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is > relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. > This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a > different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at > http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html > > So either: > > - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against > Forrest 0.4 > - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest > 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is > released. > > > --Jeff > >> Sincerely, >> >> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >> >> >> - >> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >> (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) >> http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ >> >> > - Original Message Ends > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Re: new forrest live site
Forwarded by Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Original Message --- From:Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:29:36 +1000 Subject: Re: new forrest live site On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:33:12PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > By the way, how can we (jakarta-poi) set up the forrestbot? we are > doing the update manually: it is waste of time, needless to say I will, but some changes will be needed first, to get POI building with out-the-box Forrest. Currently, building with Forrest 0.4 gives: validate-xdocs: /home/jeff/apache/jakarta/jakarta-poi/src/documentation/content/xdocs/hdf/projectplan.xml:367:12: The content of element type "document" must match "(header,body,footer?)". This is because Forrest uses a built-in document-v11.dtd, whereas POI is relying on a modified version in src/documentation/content/xdocs/dtd/. This illustrates why it's a bad idea to override a DTD and not give it a different public id. The proper way to override a DTD is documented at http://xml.apache.org/forrest/validation.html So either: - Someone from POI can volunteer to fix up things to build against Forrest 0.4 - I'll volunteer to get POI working with what will shortly be Forrest 0.5, submit a patch to poi-dev, which can be applied when 0.5 is released. --Jeff > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > - > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.terra-intl.com/ > (Apache Jakarta Translation, Japanese) > http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/ > > - Original Message Ends - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
