Re: [policyd-users] greylisting vs postfix smtpd_hard_error_limit

2007-08-30 Thread Cami Sardinha
Cami Sardinha wrote:
 Geert Hendrickx wrote:
 Hi,

 has anyone experienced bad interaction between greylisting and (by default)
 low smtpd_hard_error_limit settings in postfix?  Our smtpd_hard_error_limit
 has always been pretty high so I can't tell from my own experience.  But
 with greylisting, clients get an error on each RCPT command initially, so I
 can imagine that (legitimate) bulk senders may get disconnected too easily
 and will only be able to insert (by default) 20 RCPT's into the greylisting
 table at a time, causing unintended extra long delays?

 Any experiences with that?

 http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_hard_error_limit
 
 Interesting. We have at our large installations a very low limit (of 6)
 and never had any complaints / issues.

As Wietse has pointed out, you should be whitelisting the legitimate
bulk senders..

Cami

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Re: [policyd-users] greylisting vs postfix smtpd_hard_error_limit

2007-08-30 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 02:32:08PM +0200, Cami Sardinha wrote:
 As Wietse has pointed out, you should be whitelisting the legitimate bulk
 senders..

In an ISP environment, it is not obvious to know all your legitimate smtp
clients...

Geert


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Re: [policyd-users] greylisting vs postfix smtpd_hard_error_limit

2007-08-30 Thread Cami Sardinha
Geert Hendrickx wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 02:32:08PM +0200, Cami Sardinha wrote:
 As Wietse has pointed out, you should be whitelisting the legitimate bulk
 senders..
 
 In an ISP environment, it is not obvious to know all your legitimate smtp
 clients..

Indeed. We had training mode running for about 2 months in
order to identify the top senders / email addresses. After
that point when people complained, they were whitelisted.

There was a 2 - 3 weeks teething period after going live
and then it quietened down.

Cami

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Re: [policyd-users] greylisting vs postfix smtpd_hard_error_limit

2007-08-30 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 03:27:08PM +0200, Cami Sardinha wrote:
 Indeed. We had training mode running for about 2 months in
 order to identify the top senders / email addresses. After
 that point when people complained, they were whitelisted.
 
 There was a 2 - 3 weeks teething period after going live
 and then it quietened down.
 
 Cami


After how long do you expire unauthorized triplets, authorized triplets and
auto-whitelisted hosts?

We use 1/7/30 days.

Geert


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Re: [policyd-users] greylisting vs postfix smtpd_hard_error_limit

2007-08-30 Thread Cami Sardinha
Geert Hendrickx wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 03:27:08PM +0200, Cami Sardinha wrote:
 Indeed. We had training mode running for about 2 months in
 order to identify the top senders / email addresses. After
 that point when people complained, they were whitelisted.

 There was a 2 - 3 weeks teething period after going live
 and then it quietened down.
 
 After how long do you expire unauthorized triplets, authorized triplets and
 auto-whitelisted hosts?
 
 We use 1/7/30 days.

Unfortunately we found that 1 day was too short and there was
some really broken MTA's out there.. 2/30/30

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