Re: Am I missing something?

[Gaar]

I will write you from San Marino, and let you know how keeping 95% of
what I make works out, sure no problem...

I am sure I will be doing much better than all of you Socialists.



On Nov 6, 11:24 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> write us from prison and let us know how that plan worked out for
> you !
>
> On Nov 7, 2:22 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not me...
>
> > I will choose for myself where the bulk of my Wealth goes.
>
> > Not you Loony Liberals.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:18 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > yup you better get a raise fish boy you are going to be supporting a
> > > family of 12 Mexicans and one Canadian
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > > No surprise there.
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in 
> > > > > > > what you
> > > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he 
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any 
> > > > > > > manner
> > > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Socialism

so·cial·ism(sō'shə-lĭz'əm)  Pronunciation Key
n.
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the
means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by
a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

==

Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.


On Nov 6, 11:17 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because it does not denote socialism you ignoramus.
>
> What does it feel like continually lying and making up things as you
> go along? Thats all you do. None of what you write is the result of
> coherent thought, but of defensive denail of an ideal that not only no
> longer exists but was a myth in the first place.
>
> America has never been a bastion of freedom and democracy, it is a
> myth a lie. The American ruling class has acted in its own interests
> regarless of the consequences. It is now the biggest exporter of
> terror that the world has ever seen, no better than the third reich.
>
> On Nov 7, 6:06 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You have yet to address the basic point.
>
> > Socialism is when the Government takes control of any given part of
> > the Economy.
>
> > We have had Socialist Programs in this Country for about 3/4 of a
> > Century now.
>
> > But you are unable to reconcile that FACT with your tripe.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:03 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Another non answer from a political pygmy
>
> > > On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
> > > > problem...
>
> > > > It just means you deny it.
>
> > > > Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> > > > > about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> > > > > would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> > > > > own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> > > > > you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> > > > > pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> > > > > now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> > > > > poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> > > > > problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> > > > > On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. 
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > > > > over again.
>
> > > > > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates 
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > > > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely 
> > > > > > referring
> > > > > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > > > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > > > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > > > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > > > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > > > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > > > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > > > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > > > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed 
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > > > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no 
> > > > > > movement
> > > > > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever 
> > > > > > > seen,
> > > > > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as 
> > > > > > > majorities
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you 
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > too ignor

Re: Am I missing something?

[mike [move on] 532]

write us from prison and let us know how that plan worked out for
you !

On Nov 7, 2:22 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not me...
>
> I will choose for myself where the bulk of my Wealth goes.
>
> Not you Loony Liberals.
>
> On Nov 6, 11:18 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > yup you better get a raise fish boy you are going to be supporting a
> > family of 12 Mexicans and one Canadian
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > No surprise there.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in what 
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he has
> > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any manner
> > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
> > > > > > Which is as productive as the Obama Presidency will be.- Hide 
> > > > > > quoted text -
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Re: Obama election an historical milestone? Reflections on class and race in America

[Gaar]

This from someone who doesn't understand the basic tenents of
Socialism...


On Nov 6, 11:22 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A historical milestone?
> Reflections on class and race in America
> 7 November 2008
>
> It is striking that the American media, beginning on election night
> and continuing in the aftermath of the vote, has been virtually
> unanimous in interpreting the victory of Barack Obama entirely in
> racial terms. This trend is epitomized in the treatment of the
> Democratic sweep by the New York Times, the most prominent organ of
> the American liberal establishment, which ran a banner headline on
> Wednesday declaring, “Obama: Racial Barrier Falls in Decisive
> Victory.”
>
> Even by elementary journalistic standards, this headline is remarkable
> for its lack of any pretense at objective reporting. This is not a
> news headline. It is not how a mainstream newspaper normally presents
> the outcome of a national election.
>
> In the 1960 election, John F. Kennedy repeatedly said that he was not
> the Catholic candidate for president, but rather the Democratic
> candidate, who happened to be a Catholic. His bid for the White House
> came only 32 years after a Catholic Democrat, Alfred E. Smith, was
> overwhelmingly defeated. Yet when Kennedy became the first Catholic in
> US history to win a presidential election, the press treated the
> religious question as a minor theme.
>
> The Times, by contrast, chose to present Tuesday’s election entirely
> as a referendum on race—not a popular repudiation of the Bush
> administration and the right-wing politics of the Republican Party,
> not a repudiation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor of three
> decades of social policy single-mindedly devoted to the further
> enrichment of the financial elite. This interpretation ignores the
> indisputable fact that the most decisive issue in the election was the
> economic crisis, which prompted tens of millions of working people and
> youth, of all races, to vote for Obama in the hope that his election
> would signal a reversal of previous economic policies.
>
> An array of pundits have taken to the airwaves to repeat the same
> racial mantra, and in their remarks on the election outcome Republican
> candidate John McCain and President George W. Bush similarly presented
> Obama’s race as the central issue in the vote.
>
> This constant invocation of Obama’s skin color and personal background
> underscores the pervasive manner in which conventional political
> analysis in America operates within racial categories. But it also
> serves definite political aims. It facilitates an attempt to obscure
> the political issues that drove the election, including popular
> opposition to war. The fact that Obama initially established his
> credibility by running as the candidate who had opposed the war in
> Iraq is virtually ignored.
>
> This, in turn, clears the way for a continuation of the right-wing
> economic and foreign policies that were repudiated by the electorate.
> That the president-elect is preparing just such a course is already
> clear from his decision to name as his chief of staff Congressman Rahm
> Emanuel, an early supporter of the Iraq war and key ally of Chicago
> real estate and financial interests, and reports that Obama will
> appoint at least two Republicans to his cabinet.
>
> Does the portrayal of Obama’s victory in racial terms portend that
> those who oppose his policies will be attacked on racial grounds?
> There is every indication that the answer is “yes.”
>
> Empirical evidence from exit polls and other sources indicates that
> race played only a minor role in the decision of the vast majority of
> those who cast ballots. For his part, Obama avoided presenting himself
> as the representative of a single race, or of minorities in general.
> His ethnic background did, however, play a critical role in the
> development of his political persona, not in an overt way, but rather
> in the implicit premise that an African-American president would be
> more sympathetic to the plight of working people—a conception that was
> promoted by various middle-class “left” and opportunist tendencies,
> such as the Nation magazine, which sought to conceal the social and
> class interests represented by his campaign.
>
> To contest the media obsession with race is not to deny the brutal
> history of racial oppression of African-Americans in America. However,
> the real question that haunts American politics is the class question.
> Precisely because the issue of class is so explosive in America, no
> political figure contending for office dares utter the words “working
> class.”
>
> Until the last four decades, it was widely accepted among progressive-
> minded intellectuals and liberal political commentators that racial
> oppression was bound up with the class structure of American society.
> But since the early 1970s, American politics and intellectual life
> have been dominated by a re

Obama election an historical milestone? Reflections on class and race in America

["Lone Wolf"]

A historical milestone?
Reflections on class and race in America
7 November 2008

It is striking that the American media, beginning on election night
and continuing in the aftermath of the vote, has been virtually
unanimous in interpreting the victory of Barack Obama entirely in
racial terms. This trend is epitomized in the treatment of the
Democratic sweep by the New York Times, the most prominent organ of
the American liberal establishment, which ran a banner headline on
Wednesday declaring, “Obama: Racial Barrier Falls in Decisive
Victory.”

Even by elementary journalistic standards, this headline is remarkable
for its lack of any pretense at objective reporting. This is not a
news headline. It is not how a mainstream newspaper normally presents
the outcome of a national election.

In the 1960 election, John F. Kennedy repeatedly said that he was not
the Catholic candidate for president, but rather the Democratic
candidate, who happened to be a Catholic. His bid for the White House
came only 32 years after a Catholic Democrat, Alfred E. Smith, was
overwhelmingly defeated. Yet when Kennedy became the first Catholic in
US history to win a presidential election, the press treated the
religious question as a minor theme.

The Times, by contrast, chose to present Tuesday’s election entirely
as a referendum on race—not a popular repudiation of the Bush
administration and the right-wing politics of the Republican Party,
not a repudiation of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor of three
decades of social policy single-mindedly devoted to the further
enrichment of the financial elite. This interpretation ignores the
indisputable fact that the most decisive issue in the election was the
economic crisis, which prompted tens of millions of working people and
youth, of all races, to vote for Obama in the hope that his election
would signal a reversal of previous economic policies.

An array of pundits have taken to the airwaves to repeat the same
racial mantra, and in their remarks on the election outcome Republican
candidate John McCain and President George W. Bush similarly presented
Obama’s race as the central issue in the vote.

This constant invocation of Obama’s skin color and personal background
underscores the pervasive manner in which conventional political
analysis in America operates within racial categories. But it also
serves definite political aims. It facilitates an attempt to obscure
the political issues that drove the election, including popular
opposition to war. The fact that Obama initially established his
credibility by running as the candidate who had opposed the war in
Iraq is virtually ignored.

This, in turn, clears the way for a continuation of the right-wing
economic and foreign policies that were repudiated by the electorate.
That the president-elect is preparing just such a course is already
clear from his decision to name as his chief of staff Congressman Rahm
Emanuel, an early supporter of the Iraq war and key ally of Chicago
real estate and financial interests, and reports that Obama will
appoint at least two Republicans to his cabinet.

Does the portrayal of Obama’s victory in racial terms portend that
those who oppose his policies will be attacked on racial grounds?
There is every indication that the answer is “yes.”

Empirical evidence from exit polls and other sources indicates that
race played only a minor role in the decision of the vast majority of
those who cast ballots. For his part, Obama avoided presenting himself
as the representative of a single race, or of minorities in general.
His ethnic background did, however, play a critical role in the
development of his political persona, not in an overt way, but rather
in the implicit premise that an African-American president would be
more sympathetic to the plight of working people—a conception that was
promoted by various middle-class “left” and opportunist tendencies,
such as the Nation magazine, which sought to conceal the social and
class interests represented by his campaign.

To contest the media obsession with race is not to deny the brutal
history of racial oppression of African-Americans in America. However,
the real question that haunts American politics is the class question.
Precisely because the issue of class is so explosive in America, no
political figure contending for office dares utter the words “working
class.”

Until the last four decades, it was widely accepted among progressive-
minded intellectuals and liberal political commentators that racial
oppression was bound up with the class structure of American society.
But since the early 1970s, American politics and intellectual life
have been dominated by a rejection of class issues. Instead, secondary
issues of gender, sexual preference and, above all, race have been
elevated to become the be-all and end-all of permissible political
discussion.

There is, according to the political and media establishment, no
working class in the United States. There is on

Re: Am I missing something?

[Gaar]

Not me...

I will choose for myself where the bulk of my Wealth goes.

Not you Loony Liberals.


On Nov 6, 11:18 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> yup you better get a raise fish boy you are going to be supporting a
> family of 12 Mexicans and one Canadian
>
> On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > No surprise there.
>
> > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in what you
> > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing things
> > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he has
> > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any manner
> > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
> > > > > Which is as productive as the Obama Presidency will be.- Hide quoted 
> > > > > text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Am I missing something?

[mike [move on] 532]

yup you better get a raise fish boy you are going to be supporting a
family of 12 Mexicans and one Canadian

On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> No surprise there.
>
> On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > people rejected his hero !
>
> > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in what you
> > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing things
> > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he has
> > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any manner
> > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
> > > > Which is as productive as the Obama Presidency will be.- Hide quoted 
> > > > text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

Because it does not denote socialism you ignoramus.

What does it feel like continually lying and making up things as you
go along? Thats all you do. None of what you write is the result of
coherent thought, but of defensive denail of an ideal that not only no
longer exists but was a myth in the first place.

America has never been a bastion of freedom and democracy, it is a
myth a lie. The American ruling class has acted in its own interests
regarless of the consequences. It is now the biggest exporter of
terror that the world has ever seen, no better than the third reich.


On Nov 7, 6:06 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have yet to address the basic point.
>
> Socialism is when the Government takes control of any given part of
> the Economy.
>
> We have had Socialist Programs in this Country for about 3/4 of a
> Century now.
>
> But you are unable to reconcile that FACT with your tripe.
>
> On Nov 6, 11:03 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Another non answer from a political pygmy
>
> > On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
> > > problem...
>
> > > It just means you deny it.
>
> > > Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> > > > about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> > > > would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> > > > own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> > > > you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> > > > pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> > > > now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> > > > poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> > > > problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> > > > On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > > > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > > > over again.
>
> > > > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > > > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > > > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > > > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > > > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > > > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > > > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > > > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > > > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > > > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > > > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > > > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the 
> > > > > > budget.
>
> > > > 

Re: The results of yesterday's election bode well for the future of stem

[mike [move on] 532]

yes it is which is why we should be doing the research with all
possible speed !

On Nov 6, 10:30 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The stem cell controversy is overblown, overbloated and overwhelmingly
> misunderstood by dimwits.
>
> Google it.
>
> On Nov 6, 4:47 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Coalition for the advancement of medical research
>
> > Dear CAMR Members and Friends:
>
> > The results of yesterday's election bode well for the future of stem
> > cell research in our nation.
>
> > At the national level, CAMR will move forward with our plan to work
> > with President-elect Obama and his administration to quickly remove
> > President Bush's limitations on embryonic stem cell research.  As we
> > spelled out in our testimony to the Democratic Platform Committee, we
> > believe that President Obama should issue an immediate Executive
> > Order
> > that would result in a reversal of the current policy.  We are
> > reaching out to President-elect Obama's transition team now and will
> > keep you informed of our progress.
>
> > While the national election has the attention of the entire world,
> > two
> > important state ballots were determined yesterday that also have an
> > extraordinary impact on the future of stem cell research.
>
> > The Michigan ballot, Proposition 2, was successfully passed by a
> > defendable margin in the state.   As you know, CAMR strongly
> > supported
> > this ballot question that will lift Michigan's strict restrictions on
> > embryonic stem cell research.
>
> > The ballot initiative we strongly opposed in Colorado, Proposition
> > 48,
> > was soundly defeated.  This proposed amendment to the Colorado
> > constitution would have redefined a person as a fertilized egg and
> > would have profoundly limited research.  Over 70% of Colorado's
> > citizens voted against the measure.
>
> > We have been in this long fight together, and we are now closer than
> > ever to our goal of moving embryonic stem cell research forward in
> > our
> > nation.  We have remained strong because we share the belief that we
> > can end the suffering of over 100 million patients suffering from
> > diseases and conditions that can benefit from embryonic stem cell
> > research.
>
> > There are two things you can do today to help:
>
> > Send a Letter to the Editor
> > You can customize the letter below and send it to your hometown
> > newspaper.  Please try to personalize it as best you can -- perhaps
> > adding a reference to something you or a family member may be living
> > with or struggling with.    To find out where to send it, please
> > refer
> > to your hometown newspaper's web site (the Contact Us section or
> > Opinion page usually lists an email address to send LTEs), and
> > include
> > your full name, city and state, email address, and a phone number
> > where you can be reached for verification.  Remember not to go over
> > 150 words.  Most newspapers won't accept or even review letters that
> > are longer that that.  Please let us know if your letter runs in your
> > newspaper -- we'd love to see it!
>
> > LETTER TO THE EDITOR TEXT:
>
> > Dear Editor:
>
> > A new President brings hope on many fronts.  For me, I am most
> > hopeful
> > about positive, forward-thinking change in our nation's stem cell
> > research policy.  As someone who,  [PERSONALIZATION MENTION HERE], I
> > call on President-elect Obama to take his support for embryonic stem
> > cell research from the Senate to the White House and enact ethical
> > and
> > responsible federal policy around embryonic stem cell research so our
> > nation's scientists can do their best work.  Embryonic stem cell
> > research has shown great hope these past ten years.  It deserves the
> > chance to show its real power in finding better treatments and
> > cures.
>
> > Sincerely,
> > NAME
> > CITY, STATE
> > PHONE
> > EMAIL
>
> > Sign the International Society for Stem Cell Research Letter
>
> > The International Society for Stem Cell Research (ISSCR), a CAMR
> > member, has drafted an open letter to reiterate the urgent need for
> > support for all types of stem cell research.  CAMR will be signing
> > on,
> > and we are encouraging CAMR member organizations,  scientists,
> > practitioners, medical professionals and others in related fields to
> > add their signatures as well.
>
> > If you would like to do so, please visit this link (cut and paste the
> > address into your browser):  
> > http://www.isscr.org/ScienceStatementEndorsement.cfm
>
> > We invite you to join us in spreading the word about this important
> > open letter.  For more information, please visit this link (cut and
> > paste this address into your browser):  
> > http://www.isscr.org/ScienceStatementEndorsers.cfm
>
> > Thank you for everything you do.
>
> > Be sure to visit our website atwww.camradvocacy.orgformore
> > information and breaking news.
>
> > Sincerely,
> > Amy Comstock Rick
> > CAMR Presidentwww.camradvocacy.org- H

Re: This was a LANDSLIDE watershed moment for America.

[mike [move on] 532]

urban myths ! which so called urban myth are talking ?

On Nov 6, 9:30 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have to say because you are a True Believer of Urban Myths...
>
> On Nov 6, 2:23 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > are you really that un informed or are you just pewing GOP propganda ?
> > NONE OF YOUR ASURTIONS ARE CPRRECT ! either about Iraq or our
> > polictical parties  .
>
> > On Nov 5, 11:02 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Are you deft???   Your idea of the conditions in Iraq pre invasion is
> > > tin-foil land made for propaganda...  Unlike the Democrats after Nov
> > > 2000 who started their "Hate Bush Now and Forever" campaign as a
> > > gimmick for power, the GOP as a whole I believe will not go into the
> > > politics of self destruction that the Democrats used for 8 years (yes
> > > including Obama)...
>
> > > On Nov 5, 9:39 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > iraq is neither safe or prosperous NOW ! it used to e both of those
> > > > things before bush invaded !
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 8:29 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Eh?  Are you saying that Iraq is neither safer nor more prosperous?
>
> > > > > Are you drunk?
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 7:25 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > bull shit !
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 8:24 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > No, a safer and prosperous Iraq was his dream.
>
> > > > > > > Notice that's in the past tense --- it's happened right before 
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > eyes.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 4:20 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > the endless war was one of bush's dreams
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 4:37 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Another war? An endless war, mike.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 3:32 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > [ The draft will send the youth of the country to be 
> > > > > > > > > > slaughtered as
> > > > > > > > > > canon fodder to protect the interests of the US greenback. ]
> > > > > > > > > > in a way that has always been true . BUT ! when every 
> > > > > > > > > > family in
> > > > > > > > > > America has a personal stake in those wars . and the 
> > > > > > > > > > politicains have
> > > > > > > > > > to answer to the people back home for placing their 
> > > > > > > > > > children in harms
> > > > > > > > > > way . They will think long and hard before blindly walking 
> > > > > > > > > > in lock
> > > > > > > > > > step with the president into another war !
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 4:23 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > All war is murder. The draft will send the youth of the 
> > > > > > > > > > > country to be
> > > > > > > > > > > slaughtered as canon fodder to protect the interests of 
> > > > > > > > > > > the US
> > > > > > > > > > > greenback. There are two camps that you can head, towards 
> > > > > > > > > > > the right
> > > > > > > > > > > and fascism or the left and revolution, there is no 
> > > > > > > > > > > inbetween. You are
> > > > > > > > > > > already moving to the right as you defend a system rather 
> > > > > > > > > > > than the
> > > > > > > > > > > interests of the people. You are not interested in 
> > > > > > > > > > > democracy, but with
> > > > > > > > > > > maintaing the American dream. The world has paid dearly 
> > > > > > > > > > > for American
> > > > > > > > > > > dreams, they have had enough.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 8:11 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL 
> > > > > > > > > > > PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > [ Oh and what about the draft. He is going to bring in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > the draft. ]
> > > > > > > > > > > > i think a draft is an excelent idea !
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 4:08 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > How will the rule of law return? Obama subscribes to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the bogus war on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > terror, the biggest lie of all. The lie that has been 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > used to justify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > every crime of the Bush administration, from 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > preemptive war to torture
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to the Patriot act. Obama does not oppose any of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > these crimes, he
> > > > > > > > > > > > > supports them as he supports strikes on Iran, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pakistan and Russia. Oh
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and what about the draft. He is going to bring in the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > draft.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > America is drowning in debt, nothing will change.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 5:26 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > w

Re: We are Now France

[mike [move on] 532]

that sums it up pretty well doesn't it !

On Nov 6, 12:12 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> mike,
>
> Yeah, tough guys all. Alligator mouths and hummingbird balls.
>
> On Nov 6, 4:41 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > don't you just love it when people who have never served this nation
> > in the military . question the courage or commitment of those of us
> > who have ?
> > and wouldn't you like to see them make it through boot camp let alone
> > actual military service !
> > On Nov 5, 11:53 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Jim W.
>
> > > Oh bullshit. We simply elected a new President that inherits exactly
> > > the same power as the President he is replacing. Which is really quite
> > > a lot than it used to be thanks to George Bush.
> > > We did NOT surrender our Constituion, our freedoms or our sovreignity.
> > > Your hysterical, have a stiff drink and go to bed, maybe you'll grow a
> > > pair of cajones in your sleep.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 8:07 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Ever wonder why the French wear white underwear? In case they have to
> > > > surrender quickly, they’ll be ready. Well America, with the election
> > > > of a tried and true radical socialist it’s safe to say we’re French
> > > > toast.
>
> > > > Who would have thought that the continent inhabited by Benjamin
> > > > Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson would turn into such a
> > > > sniveling, spoiled, politically correct, spine incontinent, needy
> > > > stepchild of King George the 8Th, this land of Daniel Boone, the
> > > > Alamo, Pearl Harbor and the great westward migration.
>
> > > > A land founded upon rugged individualism, entrepreneurial activism,
> > > > great inventions and freedom; this country born by patriots, strong
> > > > and devout men, rigid morals and love of God. A place where country
> > > > placed ahead of self and self interest. A continent rigidly clinging
> > > > to the American neighborhood from coast to coast.
>
> > > > The one nation not afraid of its government but having the government
> > > > afraid of its people. The one peoples not dependent upon government
> > > > but constantly in avoidance of it. The nation most responsible for
> > > > spreading freedom throughout the world. Home of those brave souls whom
> > > > told a powerful King, “No More”. The country that sacrificed hundreds
> > > > of thousands of its own citizenry to scour from its founding parchment
> > > > the stain that was slavery.
>
> > > > And yet, on November fourth, 2008, this great land surrendered its
> > > > constitution, its freedoms and its sovereignty for the treasure
> > > > promised to the forty seven million of Americans choosing to abide the
> > > > transference of wealth along with twenty million useful idiots. It’s
> > > > striking to me, how this nation that defeated Nazi Germany,
> > > > imperialist Japan and the evil empire would now bow at the feet of
> > > > those enemies once so roundly dispatched. Yet, the deed is done.
>
> > > > The tide has come and gone. In one day America has surrendered what so
> > > > many have died to protect and has done so exuberantly, with great
> > > > fanfare and glee. History will long remember that day, November 4Th,
> > > > 2008 as the day freedom on this planet became something whispered of,
> > > > a flash of remembrance and as an appendix; removed and forgotten.
> > > > Still, in the heart of patriots breathe will quicken at that whisper
> > > > and hands will tighten upon pitchforks as that is their nature, their
> > > > shared inheritance. In a word; our gift from God.
> > > > Conservative Springfield 05 NOV 08- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

You have yet to address the basic point.

Socialism is when the Government takes control of any given part of
the Economy.

We have had Socialist Programs in this Country for about 3/4 of a
Century now.

But you are unable to reconcile that FACT with your tripe.


On Nov 6, 11:03 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another non answer from a political pygmy
>
> On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
> > problem...
>
> > It just means you deny it.
>
> > Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> > > about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> > > would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> > > own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> > > you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> > > pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> > > now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> > > poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> > > problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> > > On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > > over again.
>
> > > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > > > in
> > > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > > this
> > > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > > > ===
> > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > > > > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > > > > before the election you cite.
>
> > > > > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > > > > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > > > > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > > > > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > > > > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > > > > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > > > > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > > > > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > > > > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a sh

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

How stupid do you have to be to blame socialsim for the problems of
capitalism. For a start Obama is the supposed socialist and he hasn't
assumed power as yet. So you are blaming future so-called socialist
policies for the past failures of capitalism.

A five year old would have no difficulty in understanding this. I am
sure you will

On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
> problem...
>
> It just means you deny it.
>
> Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> > about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> > would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> > own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> > you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> > pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> > now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> > poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> > problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> > On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > over again.
>
> > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > > in
> > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > this
> > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > > ===
> > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > > > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > > > before the election you cite.
>
> > > > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > > > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > > > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > > > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > > > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > > > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > > > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > > > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > > > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > > > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > > > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > > > under Bush wer

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

Another non answer from a political pygmy

On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
> problem...
>
> It just means you deny it.
>
> Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> > about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> > would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> > own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> > you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> > pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> > now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> > poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> > problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> > On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > over again.
>
> > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > > in
> > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > this
> > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > > ===
> > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > > > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > > > before the election you cite.
>
> > > > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > > > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > > > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > > > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > > > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > > > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > > > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > > > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > > > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > > > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > > > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > > > under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> > > > You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> > > > I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> > > > you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 1:26 

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

Capitalist politics really is a sick joke. Lies ditortions bullshit,
passing the buck and taking in trillions of tax payers money and
stuffing it in their pockets. Do you know where your money goes? Its
like a fucking black hole a vortex, nobody knows and then when the
government says they dont have enough money for social programs you
believe them, even though you don't know what the hell they are up to.
But when the banks are in trouble, their Buddies, they find two
trillion dollars of tax payers money they forgot they had and give it
to the banks. What a system, what a fucking racket. A day doesn't go
by without a scandal of bribery, sex, collusion, perverting justice
etc.

The elections, a three ringed circus of performing monkeys for mass
consumption, where not a single issue is discussed with any depth or
intelligence

Did you know you can pick from two whole parties? It’s true; can you
believe it, two whole parties? What a choice, what
democracy.two parties..I can't believe it, it’s just
so overwhelming. You can choose Party A or, wait for it.Party B.

Ingenious system don’t you think? The product of millennia of the
study of human society.

So functional, yet so simple.

If you elect party B and you don't like them, after 4 years you can
elect Party A, and if you don’t like them in another 4 years you can
elect Party B again because you can't remember why you voted them out
last time and then when you do remember it’s too late, but not to
worry because in another 4 years you can vote them out again and vote
for Party A again because you forgot why you voted them out last time
as well.

And so the doggy gets more disorientated the longer it chases it tail.


On Nov 7, 5:50 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No it is not you brain dead capitalist apologist. Under capitalism
> exchange takes place to satisfy profit, under Socialism it takes place
> to satisfy human need. Hence the names. Capitalism =the accumulation
> of capital as the priority, Socialism=Social need as the priorty.
>
> Its that simple Gaar. All policies made under capitalism must satisfy
> the extraction of profit, therefore there can be no such thing as a
> socialist policy.
>
> This a complete waste of time I realize, as you are only interested in
> finding blame somewhere else other than where it lays.
>
> On Nov 7, 5:38 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > When the Government takes over or becomes part of any part of that
> > "System" they are in fact using Socialist Ideals to do so.
>
> > Regardless of your ignorance on the matter.
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > > over again.
>
> > > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > > in
> > > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > > this
> > > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > > ===
> > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > > get mega-million dol

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

Denying Socialism is the problem doesn't stop it from being the
problem...

It just means you deny it.

Ignorance is Bliss in your World it seems.


On Nov 6, 10:43 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
> about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
> would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
> own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
> you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
> pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
> now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
> poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
> problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.
>
> On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > over again.
>
> > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > in
> > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > this
> > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > ===
> > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > > before the election you cite.
>
> > > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > > under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> > > You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> > > I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> > > you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

No it is not you brain dead capitalist apologist. Under capitalism
exchange takes place to satisfy profit, under Socialism it takes place
to satisfy human need. Hence the names. Capitalism =the accumulation
of capital as the priority, Socialism=Social need as the priorty.

Its that simple Gaar. All policies made under capitalism must satisfy
the extraction of profit, therefore there can be no such thing as a
socialist policy.

This a complete waste of time I realize, as you are only interested in
finding blame somewhere else other than where it lays.

On Nov 7, 5:38 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When the Government takes over or becomes part of any part of that
> "System" they are in fact using Socialist Ideals to do so.
>
> Regardless of your ignorance on the matter.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> > Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> > over again.
>
> > There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> > the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> > are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> > to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> > completely different framework of exchange, production and
> > distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> > private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> > materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> > nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> > Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> > workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> > idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> > and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> > and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> > against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> > On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > > in
> > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > > this
> > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > ===
> > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > > before the election you cite.
>
> > > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > > under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> > > You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> > > I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> > > you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > > Your 

Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

I never considered you a friend holly, so you didn't make the list.

I understand that ignorance is bliss in your little World.


On Nov 6, 8:28 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> Wouldn't it be the job of the FEC to ask Obama for proof of his
> citizenship? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
> What the fuck do you want? Expect him to mail out 300 million
> certified copies of his fucking birth certificate?
>
> Ahhh, you don't consider me a friend? I'm crushed, boo-fucking-hoo.
>  A wise man once said a better way to judge a man's character is not
> by who his friends are but by who his enemies are. I happily accept,
> hell I fucking embrace, your hate.
>
> On Nov 6, 8:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > Certificate?
>
> > Hm...
>
> > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > hate them for it.
>
> > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > Years...
>
> > They want hate, I will give them hate.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 8:28 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be the job of the FEC to ask Obama for proof of his
> citizenship? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.


What Law would they use to do that holly?

Are you trying to tell me you don't believe a Citizen has standing in
such an Issue?

Are you really that Partisan?

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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

Funny...

Hawaii sealed his Records so that no one, except Obama himself, can
see them.

And you claim someone has in fact saw it and decided it was legit.

Link please.

You understand it is up to him to PROVE he is eligible, right?


On Nov 6, 7:42 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Don't you think one of the many haters would be able to prove hes not
> a citizen by now? You all have been raving for months about this, yet
> no one can prove it. You are very quick to dismiss the copy of his
> birth certificate that is floating around based on your arbitrary
> criteria as to what a legal birth certificate should look like, but
> yet cannot prove that it is not legitimate. If he is an alien, ship
> his ass back to africa, but i have the sneaking suspicion that someone
> much smarter and more qualified than you has verified his legality and
> that is precisely why no one will give you the time of day whenever
> you bring up his citizenship status.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> > that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> > have loved Huey Long.
>
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > > Senate.
>
> > > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > > Certificate?
>
> > > > Hm...
>
> > > > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > > hate them for it.
>
> > > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > > Years...
>
> > > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
>
> > --
> > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

PS. This will be impossible for you to accept as bourgeois politics is
about finding someone else to blame for past failures otherwise they
would have to be honest a find that the fault is the failure of their
own policies and of the system itself. Such honesty is impossible when
you have lying scoundrels in power. So the lies and the stupid
pointless inane blame game will continue...except people are
now wanting answer to why they are fighting in a war to preserve their
poverty---end of capitalism when they find out the source of the
problem is this totaly disfunctional anarchic fucked up system.


On Nov 7, 5:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> over again.
>
> There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> completely different framework of exchange, production and
> distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > in
> > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > this
> > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > ===
> > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > before the election you cite.
>
> > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> > You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> > I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> > you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities in
> > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have B

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

When the Government takes over or becomes part of any part of that
"System" they are in fact using Socialist Ideals to do so.

Regardless of your ignorance on the matter.


On Nov 6, 10:35 pm, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
> Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
> over again.
>
> There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
> the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
> are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
> to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
> completely different framework of exchange, production and
> distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
> private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
> materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
> nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.
>
> Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
> workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
> idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
> and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
> and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
> against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.
>
> On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> > in
> > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> > this
> > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > ===
> > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> > get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> > found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> > pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> > products. A no-brainer.
>
> > 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> > that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> > 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> > before the election you cite.
>
> > 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> > you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> > significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> > Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> > tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> > does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> > presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> > Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> > times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> > listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> > That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> > under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> > You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> > I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> > you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities in
> > > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt this
> > > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Sheesh, Gaar..it was a vote. Just because people disagree with you
> > > > doesn't mean they have their heads up their asses. Some people (like
> > > > me) felt that this nation needs a

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

["Lone Wolf"]

Of course to blame socialist policies is the height of stupidity. And
Gaar epitomises this stupidity as he repeats the same lies over and
over again.

There is no such thing as a socialist policy. The world operates under
the frame work of capitalism. Exchange, production and distribution
are carried out under the capitalist system. You are merely referring
to different policies of capitalism. Socialism operates on a
completely different framework of exchange, production and
distribution and abolishes the nation state and the ownership of
private property-meaning no individual or company can own raw
materials such as oil and minerals as they belong to all, it has
nothing to do with the ownership of personal property.

Contrary to propaganda that has its roots in the fear that that
workers may learn what socialism really represents (as you have no
idea), socialism in fact has never existed anywhere. The failed system
and policies you try to pin on socialism are a failure of capitalism
and the policies of capitalism. And if you think there is no movement
against capitalism in favor of socialism you are dead wrong.


On Nov 7, 5:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> and we have seen plenty.
>
> Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities
> in
> every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt
> this
> Country in far less than a Century...
>
> And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> ===
> 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> little more regulation may be in order thoughin a day when CEO's
> get mega-million dollar bonuses while employee wages stagnate. They
> found out the hard way that when employee compensation doesn't keep
> pace with executive compensation, no one has the money to buy
> products. A no-brainer.
>
> 2. Obama is already downscaling his "socialist agenda", recognizing
> that we are not in an economic position to further expand the budget.
>
> 3. The Great Depression started with the crash in 1928.a few years
> before the election you cite.
>
> 4. Our nation is strong. But when things aren't going great, sometimes
> you need to change the gameplan. McCain chose not to offer a
> significant change in directionto his demise.
>
> Before you go off on another "Socialism is going to kill this country"
> tirade, perhaps we should see what Obama, the President, actually
> does.not what you think he will do. We have survived good
> presidents and bad.rep presidents and dem. We will survive this.
> Good Lord...we survived GWB.one of the worst presidents of all
> times. You want to list his accomplishments? It would be a short
> listand most of the country is worse off for his time in office.
> That is a fact, my friend. The only people who managed to prosper
> under Bush were the elite and the professionals.
>
> You want to believe I'm ignorant and ill-informed? That's your choice.
> I do understand history. I also have the wisdom to know that if what
> you're doing isnt' working, you should probably try something else.
>
> On Nov 6, 1:26 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > McCain was not my first choice, but he at least was going to try and
> > continue with a Capitalistic System, where he could.
>
> > Obama is pushing for more Socialism than this Country has ever seen,
> > and we have seen plenty.
>
> > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > We did the sanme thing in 1932, Electing in Democrats as majorities in
> > every Branch of our Government, and we got the longest period of
> > Depression this Nation has ever seen from it.
>
> > Not to mention a barrage of Socialist Programs that have Bankrupt this
> > Country in far less than a Century...
>
> > And you and yours are about to reLive that History, because you were
> > too ignorant and or stupid to Learn it.
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Sheesh, Gaar..it was a vote. Just because people disagree with you
> > > doesn't mean they have their heads up their asses. Some people (like
> > > me) felt that this nation needs a change in direction.and it does.
> > > McCain, unfortunately, didn't represent that changeand Obama did.
> > > Your anger is going to eat you up. I highly recommend some diazepam.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 12:53 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > And no one forced you to put your Head up your Ass for this
> > > > Election...
>
> > > > That was your idea.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 9:4

Re: Am I missing something?

[Gaar]

Funny...

The Company considers them partial owners, and rewards them for their
ownership.

They are free to Sell their share to the highest Bidder whenever they
like.

Again, your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.


On Nov 6, 10:31 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, I see...
>
> Once the Company has their money, that's when they become parasites.
>
> Fucking Idiot.
>
> On Nov 6, 8:52 pm, PhreedomPhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Always good to hear from the kiddies in the Pre-K.  Initial issues of
> > stock helps the company, trading stocks is nothing but speculation.
> > The "wealth" created is ephemeral and can blow away with the first
> > breeze of downturn.  Those making financial gain through speculating
> > in stocks are parasites.  After market stocks are gambles not
> > investments.
>
> > Your coffee cup is probably the only one dumb enough to listen to you,
> > Gomer.
>
> > I can't believe there are two people this dumb and ignorant in this
> > group.  Gaar, is Kamakazee your screenname, too?
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:54 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > "You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > > Trader in the stock markets. That means that by speculating you are
> > > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > > anything."
>
> > > Nice attempt at kindergarden econ.
>
> > > Increasing the worth/value of a company, through purchasing it stock,
> > > not only helps the company in the financial markets, it also benefits
> > > those employees whose 401ks are tied to the stock price. And that's
> > > just for starters
>
> > > I've dumbed this down to the point of my coffee cup nodding in
> > > agreement, hope that you can grasp it Gilligan.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:41 am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Gaar, you should know by now that I fully oppose both the Welfare and
> > > > the Warfare State. I think both are created for the deficit spending
> > > > that enriches those who finance the debt. Still, it never ceases to
> > > > amaze me how you, a self professed parasite, can talk of living off
> > > > the sweat of others.
>
> > > > You don't remember professing to be a parasite? Let me refresh your
> > > > memory. You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > > > Trader in the stock markets. That means that by speculating you are
> > > > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > > > anything. You draw a profit which you can then compete for goods and
> > > > services with those who actually work for a living and put value into
> > > > the system. You are living off the sweat of others.
>
> > > > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > > > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > > > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > > > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite. You
> > > > Gaar, by definition, are a parasite.
>
> > > > Rick
> > > > 18th Century Liberal
> > > > 21st Century 
> > > > Reactionaryhttp://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.comhttp://phreedomphan-ameri...
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > > > No surprise there.
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in 
> > > > > > > > what you
> > > > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what 
> > > > > > > > he has
> > > > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any 
> > > > > > > > manner
> > > > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
> > > > > > > > Which is as productive as the Obama Presidency will be.- Hide 
> > > > > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quo

Re: Am I missing something?

[Gaar]

Oh, I see...

Once the Company has their money, that's when they become parasites.

Fucking Idiot.


On Nov 6, 8:52 pm, PhreedomPhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Always good to hear from the kiddies in the Pre-K.  Initial issues of
> stock helps the company, trading stocks is nothing but speculation.
> The "wealth" created is ephemeral and can blow away with the first
> breeze of downturn.  Those making financial gain through speculating
> in stocks are parasites.  After market stocks are gambles not
> investments.
>
> Your coffee cup is probably the only one dumb enough to listen to you,
> Gomer.
>
> I can't believe there are two people this dumb and ignorant in this
> group.  Gaar, is Kamakazee your screenname, too?
>
> On Nov 6, 1:54 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > Trader in the stock markets. That means that by speculating you are
> > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > anything."
>
> > Nice attempt at kindergarden econ.
>
> > Increasing the worth/value of a company, through purchasing it stock,
> > not only helps the company in the financial markets, it also benefits
> > those employees whose 401ks are tied to the stock price. And that's
> > just for starters
>
> > I've dumbed this down to the point of my coffee cup nodding in
> > agreement, hope that you can grasp it Gilligan.
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:41 am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar, you should know by now that I fully oppose both the Welfare and
> > > the Warfare State. I think both are created for the deficit spending
> > > that enriches those who finance the debt. Still, it never ceases to
> > > amaze me how you, a self professed parasite, can talk of living off
> > > the sweat of others.
>
> > > You don't remember professing to be a parasite? Let me refresh your
> > > memory. You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > > Trader in the stock markets. That means that by speculating you are
> > > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > > anything. You draw a profit which you can then compete for goods and
> > > services with those who actually work for a living and put value into
> > > the system. You are living off the sweat of others.
>
> > > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite. You
> > > Gaar, by definition, are a parasite.
>
> > > Rick
> > > 18th Century Liberal
> > > 21st Century 
> > > Reactionaryhttp://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.comhttp://phreedomphan-ameri...
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > > No surprise there.
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in 
> > > > > > > what you
> > > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he 
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any 
> > > > > > > manner
> > > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
> > > > > > > Which is as productive as the Obama Presidency will be.- Hide 
> > > > > > > quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Am I missing something?

[Gaar]

Funny, as Resources (money) is being taken out, it is falling like a
rock.

But I guess those Resources mean nothing to the Market...

According to Phree.

Seems the Market doesn't agree with him however.

Imagine that.


On Nov 6, 8:42 pm, PhreedomPhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Speculating doesn't put resources into the system.  It definitely
> doesn't produce wealth, not real wealth.  It may produce cash for the
> speculating parasite to let them buy the wealth produced by others,
> but it doesn't produce wealth.
>
> You speak of ignorance?  When I first encountered you, you knew very
> little.  All of your "knowledge" came from Wikipedia.  You understood
> little more than you knew.
>
> Since then, you have gone on learning more and more and understanding
> less and less.  Now you know a lot more than you did and understand
> nothing.
>
> On Nov 6, 12:31 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 8:41 am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite.
>
> > The Resources I "put" into the "System" are good for the System...
>
> > Your ignorance onthe matter notwithstanding.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

I know the meaning holly, you obviously missed the point that I was
making with it...

Messiahs can make decrees, can they not?

And since Obama is you and your's Messiah, one would think you would
understand that anything he "promises" you is a "decree", get it?

Probably not, but I don't care.

You have shown, yet again, to be unable to address the point of a
discussion, and need to make it about something it is not.

Imagine that.


On Nov 6, 9:44 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> Name the decree, are you too stupid to know the meaning of the words
> you choose to use in your posts? What? You were hoping the rest of us
> were as stupid? Your saying such a decree exits IS the issue dumbass.
>
> On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Asked and answered...
>
> > What happens now is you refuse to admit that you Elected a Socialist,
> > and go on about the word "Decree" rather than discuss the Issue.
>
> > Anyone surprised?
>
> > Not me.
>
> > On Nov 6, 12:22 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > I'm using your fucking words.
> > > Are you telling me it's "just semantics" and it means nothing when you
> > > throw around the word "socialist"? Suddenly words don't mean anything?
> > > NAME THE DECREE.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Im,agine that...
>
> > > > holly going on about semantics, yet again, as he fails to address the
> > > > point.
>
> > > > Same old shit, just another day with holly.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > What?
>
> > > > > Did you miss the part where Obama says he is going to Tax the Top 5%
> > > > > to give the other 95% Tax breaks, even if they don't pay Taxes?
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 10:56 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > Name the DECREE that would make that a fact. Decree is the word you
> > > > > > choose to use, not me. So name it.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:52 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Taking money from Rich People and giving it to the others to 
> > > > > > > "Balance"
> > > > > > > things out...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > I repeat; NAME ONE OF THOSE FUCKING SOCIALIST DECREES.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You Elected the Man, knowing full well what he was saying...
>
> > > > > > > > > Or are you going to claim you didn't know?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:45 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > The don't address your stupid comment to me. I haven't told 
> > > > > > > > > > you any
> > > > > > > > > > such thing. MY socialist decrees? What the fuck are you 
> > > > > > > > > > babbling
> > > > > > > > > > about?  NAME ONE of those "decrees" that has you pissing in 
> > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > panties.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:34 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It isn't just you holly...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to think it is ok to tell me how much I have to 
> > > > > > > > > > > give to
> > > > > > > > > > > others as well.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You are free to give them all you like, but mandating 
> > > > > > > > > > > that others do
> > > > > > > > > > > as well is Socialism, and I don't care to Live under your 
> > > > > > > > > > > Socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > decrees.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 9:27 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Got my own stuff. Why would I need or want yours?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't cross the street to "get your stuff", sure 
> > > > > > > > > > > > as shit would
> > > > > > > > > > > > not go to San Marino for it. I think there are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > medications they can
> > > > > > > > > > > > give you for that paranoia problem you seem to have. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice trip.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:49 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you won't be coming to get it...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 8:29 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be in San Marino. Remember?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:21 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:41 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if the supreme court justices he will be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appointing are as young
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he is, his administration could have lasting 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Lord tells me he can get me out of this 
> > > > > > > 

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

And now you have a young Ignorant Socialists to help you do nothing
but insult as you both are unable to address ANY pertinent point made,
and instead use nothing but insults in some silly ass attempt to make
a point...

And you still go on about Bush, as we all know that it is Clinton who
was the criminal Serving in the White House, and you give that
criminal a pass.

Imagine that.



On Nov 6, 8:18 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Dont even start with the "great liberators" pile of dogshit argument.
>
> If the Iraqi people wanted a violent, bloody, extended revolution to
> overthrow their oppressors they would've done it themselves, but the
> three major groups within couldn't all unify to do it themselves. So
> we did it for them.
> Now, those same groups still cannot unify to run the country we handed
> to them, but why should we expect them to in the first place. IN ALL
> OF HISTORY SUNNIS, SHI'ITES AND KURDS HAVE NEVER AGREED ON ANYTHING
> WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT THEM TO BEHAVE AFTER WE COME INTO THEIR HOUSE,
> OVERTURN THE FURNITURE, AND SHIT ALL OVER THE FLOOR!
>
> The answer is either:
> A) Bush, or the puppeteers that control him, knew this fact and
> ignored it, in turn destroying the lives of millions of Iraqis and
> leaving thousands of American families without their beloved kin who
> were courageous enough to die for their country. For this, Bush and
> his administration should be punished.
> OR
> B) Bush and the gang were too fucking stupid or ignorant to read a
> damn high school social studies book that would have explained to them
> that there is a thousand year old cultural divide in the region that
> VIOLENCE HAS NOT AND CANNOT SOLVE. THE ENDLESS CYCLE OF VIOLENCE AND
> HATE IS THE CAUSE OF THE REGIONAL INSTABILITY. And for their willful
> ignorance, Bush and his administration should be punished.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:11 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq.when they are generating
> > > billions in oil revenues.
>
> > 50 Million People now living in Freedom abnd Democracy, where once
> > Tyranny and Fascism Reigned Supreme...
>
> > Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> > I understand you Loony Liberals believe you should get a Big Screen TV
> > from the Government BEFORE one red cent is spent promoting Democracy
> > and Freedpom Abroad...
>
> > I get it, I just happen to disagree, and believe a Democratic Iraq is
> > go
>
> od for the World, and not just the U.S.- Hide quoted text -
>
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GMAC Leaves Individuals With $15 Billion of Car Lenders Junk........and the fat lady sings

["Lone Wolf"]

GMAC Leaves Individuals With $15 Billion of Car Lenders Junk
By Ari Levy and David Mildenberg

Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- GMAC LLC may leave thousands of individuals on
the hook for about $15 billion of junk-rated debt unless the auto and
home lender finds a way to pay its bills.

GMAC, the largest lender to car dealers of General Motors Corp.,
issued more than $25 billion of debt called SmartNotes over the past
decade to retail investors. While GMAC has paid off the debts as they
matured, five straight unprofitable quarters raised doubt about GMAC's
survival, and SmartNotes due in July 2020 have lost about two-thirds
of their value.

``An investment like this is totally unsuitable for the retail
investor,'' said Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones Ratings Co. in
Haverford, Pennsylvania, who rates GMAC bonds junk, or below
investment grade. ``You're selling it to the widows and orphans who
think of GMAC as being this strong, long- standing corporation when
the reality is far from that.''

GMAC's losses since mid-2007 total $7.9 billion, driven by record home
foreclosures and auto sales that GM has called the worst since 1945.
Stomaching some of Detroit-based GMAC's deficit are individuals who
purchased SmartNotes through brokers at firms including Merrill Lynch
& Co., Fidelity Investments and Citigroup Inc.'s Smith Barney unit.

Chuck Woodall, 66, who lives with his wife in Columbus, Ohio, amassed
$200,000 of SmartNotes starting eight years ago, and they now equal
about 25 percent of his investments. At the time, the securities were
rated investment-grade and they paid more interest than government
bonds or certificates of deposit. They also were backed by Detroit-
based GM, the biggest U.S. automaker.

Safe Ride

Woodall, a former owner of apparel stores and a pet-supply business,
holds SmartNotes due in 2018 that he says have lost about 80 percent
of their value. He said his Merrill broker told him that in more than
20 years, no client had lost money on bonds.

``He assured me they were safe,'' Woodall said. ``I just wasn't aware
enough and didn't have my hand on the pulse.''

GMAC said Nov. 5 its mortgage unit may fail and analysts have
questioned the viability of the entire company, which is now 51
percent-owned by New York-based Cerberus Capital Management LP. GM
controls the rest.
Of GMAC's $64 billion in debt outstanding at the end of June, about
$15 billion was in SmartNotes. They rank equal to senior unsecured
debt, which recovers an average of about 40 cents on the dollar in
bankruptcy cases, according to Mariarosa Verde, an analyst at Fitch
Ratings in New York.

GMAC spokeswoman Gina Proia said the company ``has honored its
commitments and intends to continue honoring its commitments to
investors.'' She declined to elaborate.

Individual Appeal

Brokers traditionally handle the task of determining whether an
investment is suitable for a particular investor, depending on factors
such as assets, sophistication and tolerance for losses. Merrill
spokesman Mark Herr, Steve Austin from Fidelity and Citigroup's Alex
Samuelson declined to comment.

SmartNotes were introduced in 1996 by ABN Amro Holding NV's Chicago-
based LaSalle Bank, which is now part of Bank of America Corp. in
Charlotte, North Carolina. The notes include features designed to
appeal to investors seeking interest income -- a concern for older
people and retirees.

The notes were sold in denominations of $1,000 and offered a
``survivor's option,'' allowing spouses to sell the bonds back to the
issuer if the owner dies. The SmartNotes program opened to European
investors in 2004.
GMAC and LaSalle said in statements from 1998 through 2003 that the
notes were intended for individual investors. Patrick Kelly, a LaSalle
managing director, described the buyers in a 2003 interview as ``mom-
and-pop investors.''

``If Wal-Mart sold bonds, these would be the bonds they would sell,''
Kelly said.

Prosperous Times

Back then, SmartNotes may have been safer bets. GMAC debt was rated
BBB by Standard & Poor's, GM and GMAC were profitable, and the lender
was still a wholly owned unit of the automaker. Sales of GMAC
SmartNotes reached $1 billion in 1998, doubled the following year and
exceeded $25 billion in 2003, when GMAC was on its way to earning $2.8
billion for the year.

``GM was considered a can't-miss company,'' said Thomas Smicklas, a
retired high school principal and now a homebuilder in Wadsworth,
Ohio, who started buying SmartNotes in 2003. Smicklas said he owns
about $75,000 of short-term SmartNotes and hasn't lost any money.
``When the GM name is on something, many investors assumed it's gold-
plated.''

By 2005, GMAC's debt was reduced to junk -- Moody's Investors Service
now rates the firm seven levels below investment grade -- and GMAC
continued offering SmartNotes as late as 2007. This year, analysts
also raised concerns about the survival of GM, which they predict is
headed for a fourth straight annual deficit, according to a survey by
B

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

No.

The Issue seems to be that you didn't understand Obama, as he went
around making such statements that YOU are unable to support with your
tripe, so yet again you need to make it about semantics.

Imagine that.

You are just as stupid and ignorant now as you were when you first
came here.

No surprise there.


On Nov 6, 9:44 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> Name the decree, are you too stupid to know the meaning of the words
> you choose to use in your posts? What? You were hoping the rest of us
> were as stupid? Your saying such a decree exits IS the issue dumbass.
>
> On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Asked and answered...
>
> > What happens now is you refuse to admit that you Elected a Socialist,
> > and go on about the word "Decree" rather than discuss the Issue.
>
> > Anyone surprised?
>
> > Not me.
>
> > On Nov 6, 12:22 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > I'm using your fucking words.
> > > Are you telling me it's "just semantics" and it means nothing when you
> > > throw around the word "socialist"? Suddenly words don't mean anything?
> > > NAME THE DECREE.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Im,agine that...
>
> > > > holly going on about semantics, yet again, as he fails to address the
> > > > point.
>
> > > > Same old shit, just another day with holly.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > What?
>
> > > > > Did you miss the part where Obama says he is going to Tax the Top 5%
> > > > > to give the other 95% Tax breaks, even if they don't pay Taxes?
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 10:56 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > Name the DECREE that would make that a fact. Decree is the word you
> > > > > > choose to use, not me. So name it.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:52 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Taking money from Rich People and giving it to the others to 
> > > > > > > "Balance"
> > > > > > > things out...
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > I repeat; NAME ONE OF THOSE FUCKING SOCIALIST DECREES.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > You Elected the Man, knowing full well what he was saying...
>
> > > > > > > > > Or are you going to claim you didn't know?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:45 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > The don't address your stupid comment to me. I haven't told 
> > > > > > > > > > you any
> > > > > > > > > > such thing. MY socialist decrees? What the fuck are you 
> > > > > > > > > > babbling
> > > > > > > > > > about?  NAME ONE of those "decrees" that has you pissing in 
> > > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > panties.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:34 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It isn't just you holly...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to think it is ok to tell me how much I have to 
> > > > > > > > > > > give to
> > > > > > > > > > > others as well.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You are free to give them all you like, but mandating 
> > > > > > > > > > > that others do
> > > > > > > > > > > as well is Socialism, and I don't care to Live under your 
> > > > > > > > > > > Socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > decrees.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 9:27 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Got my own stuff. Why would I need or want yours?
> > > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't cross the street to "get your stuff", sure 
> > > > > > > > > > > > as shit would
> > > > > > > > > > > > not go to San Marino for it. I think there are 
> > > > > > > > > > > > medications they can
> > > > > > > > > > > > give you for that paranoia problem you seem to have. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice trip.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:49 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you won't be coming to get it...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 8:29 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be in San Marino. Remember?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:21 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:41 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if the supreme court justices he will be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appointing are as young
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he is, his administration could have lasting 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Lord tells me he can get me out of this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess, but He's pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you're Fucked"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http:

Re: The Fat Lady Still Hasn't Sung.....

["Lone Wolf"]

You people understand nothing. America's most prosperous era was when
business paid 75% tax and America was producing 5 out of 6 of the
world's automobiles and 85% of the world's steel. The car and stell
industry are on the brink of collapse and business pay bugger all in
tax.

GMAC has just lost 15 billion and the list goes on. America is fucked.

On Nov 7, 10:59 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, but he isn't going to leave you alone.
>
> On Nov 6, 2:11 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > But hang on for a second.  I give the libbies here grief over the idea
> > that Obama means instant relief/freedom/opportunity.  He doesn't and
> > that lies within the individual him/her self.
>
> > Along that line, Obama does not mean instant death/slavery/misery to
> > the other side.  It might be more difficult (and expensive) but by no
> > means is it impossible to be as successful post-Obama then pre-Obama.
>
> > Just more work.  I don't need to be saved, I just need him to leave me
> > the hell alone, except when it comes to roads, schools or security
> > (i.e., military).
>
> > Dig?
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:55 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > There is always hope we will be saved yet.
>
> > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith In Tampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > > Is the Messiah's presidential bid short lived?
>
> > > > *ELECTION 2008
> > > > *Will Supreme Court have say in presidency?
> > > > Schedule includes campaign response to questions on Obama birthplace
> > > >http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80072
>
> > > > [Q] "The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate
> > > > exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
>
> > > > The governor's office in Hawaii said he had a valid certificate but
> > > > rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin. Does the
> > > > certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii 
> > > > birth or
> > > > was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in 
> > > > Hawaii.
>
> > > > Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii 
> > > > hospitals
> > > > where Obama could have been born.
>
> > > > But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah
> > > > claiming to have witnessed  Obama's birth in 
> > > > Kenya.
>
> > > > As WND 
> > > > reported,
> > > > Berg filed suit in U.S. District 
> > > > Courtin 
> > > > August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus
> > > > ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded 
> > > > that
> > > > Obama provide 
> > > > documentationto
> > > >  the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama
> > > > contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes."
>
> > > --
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>
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Re: San Marino

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 9:45 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> It kind of makes me embarrassed that I waste a single keystroke on
> him...


This from someone who seems to believe insults are sufficient for a
Rebuttal.

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Re: Social Programs Never Work

[Gaar]

In other words, you haven't got a CLUE about any of it, but you have
an opinion anyway...

Imagine that.

Yes, I am sure you don't know, just as I am sure you dont know many
basic things about Obama, yet you Voted to make him President.

And you are proud of that.

Kinda makes me sick to think you are what this Country has to look
forward to.

It will not be missed.


On Nov 6, 7:21 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Gaar, I spun nothing about your clinton comment. I just asked a
> question. Let me repost it:
> "What crime did Willy commit to be in front of a jury to begin with?
> And if you lie about an act that in itself was not a crime or part of
> a legitimate criminal investigation, is it obstruction of justice? I'm
> not being facetious, I really don't know."
> You failed to answer my question, and instead chose to call me skewed
> and looney...
>
> On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:34 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > What crime did Willy commit to be in front of a jury to begin with?
>
> > It doesn't matter.
>
> > He was in front of a Jury because the SUPREME COURT said a U.S>
> > Citizen could have their day in Court against the President.
>
> > No surprise you would try to spin such a thing...
>
> > You have shown your True colors.
>
> > You are hardly an unbiased opinion on the matter, obviously.
>
> > Here I was hoping there would be at least one of you Loony Liberals
> > that would apply your Morals to EVERYONE EQUALLY...
>
> > Alas, it was not to be...- Hide quoted text -
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

Actually holly, it simply shows just how stupid and ignorant you
Liberals are, that is all.


On Nov 6, 8:29 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Travis,
>
> Just goes to show you what a massive fuck-up George Bush was. Pretty
> much ANY Democrat would have won.
>
> On Nov 6, 8:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> > that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> > have loved Huey Long.
>
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > > Senate.
>
> > > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > > Certificate?
>
> > > > Hm...
>
> > > > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > > hate them for it.
>
> > > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > > Years...
>
> > > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
>
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

No.

All he need do is Authorize` the release of the original, like John
McCain did when his was questioned.

Why is that so much to ask?


On Nov 6, 8:28 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> Wouldn't it be the job of the FEC to ask Obama for proof of his
> citizenship? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
> What the fuck do you want? Expect him to mail out 300 million
> certified copies of his fucking birth certificate?
>
> Ahhh, you don't consider me a friend? I'm crushed, boo-fucking-hoo.
>  A wise man once said a better way to judge a man's character is not
> by who his friends are but by who his enemies are. I happily accept,
> hell I fucking embrace, your hate.
>
> On Nov 6, 8:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > Certificate?
>
> > Hm...
>
> > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > hate them for it.
>
> > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > Years...
>
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>
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Re: San Marino

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

I don't think he gets irony.
It kind of makes me embarrassed that I waste a single keystroke on
him...

On Nov 7, 1:33 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> had the world's first democratically elected Communist government
> which held power from 1945 to 1957.
>
> No reason for posted this little tidbit, just find it amusing for some
> reason.
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

Name the decree, are you too stupid to know the meaning of the words
you choose to use in your posts? What? You were hoping the rest of us
were as stupid? Your saying such a decree exits IS the issue dumbass.

On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Asked and answered...
>
> What happens now is you refuse to admit that you Elected a Socialist,
> and go on about the word "Decree" rather than discuss the Issue.
>
> Anyone surprised?
>
> Not me.
>
> On Nov 6, 12:22 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar,
>
> > I'm using your fucking words.
> > Are you telling me it's "just semantics" and it means nothing when you
> > throw around the word "socialist"? Suddenly words don't mean anything?
> > NAME THE DECREE.
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:00 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Im,agine that...
>
> > > holly going on about semantics, yet again, as he fails to address the
> > > point.
>
> > > Same old shit, just another day with holly.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > What?
>
> > > > Did you miss the part where Obama says he is going to Tax the Top 5%
> > > > to give the other 95% Tax breaks, even if they don't pay Taxes?
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:56 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > Name the DECREE that would make that a fact. Decree is the word you
> > > > > choose to use, not me. So name it.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 12:52 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Taking money from Rich People and giving it to the others to 
> > > > > > "Balance"
> > > > > > things out...
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > gaar,
>
> > > > > > > I repeat; NAME ONE OF THOSE FUCKING SOCIALIST DECREES.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 12:46 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You Elected the Man, knowing full well what he was saying...
>
> > > > > > > > Or are you going to claim you didn't know?
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:45 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > The don't address your stupid comment to me. I haven't told 
> > > > > > > > > you any
> > > > > > > > > such thing. MY socialist decrees? What the fuck are you 
> > > > > > > > > babbling
> > > > > > > > > about?  NAME ONE of those "decrees" that has you pissing in 
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > panties.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:34 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > It isn't just you holly...
>
> > > > > > > > > > You seem to think it is ok to tell me how much I have to 
> > > > > > > > > > give to
> > > > > > > > > > others as well.
>
> > > > > > > > > > You are free to give them all you like, but mandating that 
> > > > > > > > > > others do
> > > > > > > > > > as well is Socialism, and I don't care to Live under your 
> > > > > > > > > > Socialist
> > > > > > > > > > decrees.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 9:27 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Got my own stuff. Why would I need or want yours?
> > > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't cross the street to "get your stuff", sure as 
> > > > > > > > > > > shit would
> > > > > > > > > > > not go to San Marino for it. I think there are 
> > > > > > > > > > > medications they can
> > > > > > > > > > > give you for that paranoia problem you seem to have. Have 
> > > > > > > > > > > a nice trip.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:49 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > So I guess you won't be coming to get it...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 8:29 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You'll be in San Marino. Remember?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:21 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:41 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if the supreme court justices he will be 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appointing are as young
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he is, his administration could have lasting 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effects.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Lord tells me he can get me out of this mess, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but He's pretty
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you're Fucked"
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzgZTDdOnz8&feature=related
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all that used to be my Liberal friends that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Voted for Obama...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have declared War... you want my stuff.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come get it.- Hide quoted text -
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San Marino

[Hollywood]

had the world's first democratically elected Communist government
which held power from 1945 to 1957.

No reason for posted this little tidbit, just find it amusing for some
reason.
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Re: GAAR MOVES TO SAN MARINO ... IF THEY'll HAVE HIM

[PhreedomPhan]

I was email a copy of that.  The politicians in the top shitting on
the people below.  It would be funny if it weren't so true, Travis.

On Nov 5, 11:50�pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Phree: �You mean this one?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:11 PM, PhreedomPhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why did you dedicate the tallest building in Arkansas to Clinton?
>
> > On Nov 5, 3:44 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Kam: here is a pic of the Clinton Library.
>
> > �> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah, but you have Clinton Doublewide Museum.
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 2:21 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Come to Arkansas. We've got pretty good weather, nice folks, and we
> > are
> > > > a
> > > > > RED STATE.
>
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > I don't have to leave the House to Trade Stocks, let alone cross
> > any
> > > > > > Borders...
>
> > > > > > On Nov 5, 10:04 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > What's the difference?
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 5, 12:01 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Cause I don't smuggle...
>
> > > > > > > > I Trade Stocks for a Living.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 5, 9:54 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Why not move to Andorra? Smuggling is a common pursuit. :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 10:39 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, Tourism is their main Industry...
>
> > > > > > > > > > But you can Trade Stocks from anywhere in the World.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And with a 5% Capital Gain rate, I will be keeping much
> > more of
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > profit there than I would if I stayed.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 7:36 pm, PhreedomPhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I'd go to San Marino if I could. I think they have two
> > > > > > industries,
> > > > > > > > > > > postage stamps and ice cream. Both cater to tourists. I
> > don't
> > > > > > know
> > > > > > > > > > > if any mail is ever sent from San Marino, but the ice
> > cream
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > delicious. I guess you could stick a stamp on an ice
> > cream
> > > > cone
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > mail it home, but I think there is just as little hope of
> > it
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > > > > there as there is of getting improvement through the
> > election
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > Obama.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Another great thing about San Marino is that you can go
> > to
> > > > Rome
> > > > > > on a
> > > > > > > > > > > bicycle from there and hardly even have to pedal. Of
> > course,
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > back can be tough. Best bet would be a Moped. It would
> > cost
> > > > you
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > > gas to Rome and minimal until you acually start up the
> > > > mountain.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Gaar. If you promised to go to San Marino if McCain
> > > > loses,
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > you take me with you?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Rick
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 9:03 pm, Princip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Am I missing something?

[PhreedomPhan]

Always good to hear from the kiddies in the Pre-K.  Initial issues of
stock helps the company, trading stocks is nothing but speculation.
The "wealth" created is ephemeral and can blow away with the first
breeze of downturn.  Those making financial gain through speculating
in stocks are parasites.  After market stocks are gambles not
investments.

Your coffee cup is probably the only one dumb enough to listen to you,
Gomer.

I can't believe there are two people this dumb and ignorant in this
group.  Gaar, is Kamakazee your screenname, too?

On Nov 6, 1:54�pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> Trader in the stock markets. �That means that by speculating you are
> able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> anything."
>
> Nice attempt at kindergarden econ.
>
> Increasing the worth/value of a company, through purchasing it stock,
> not only helps the company in the financial markets, it also benefits
> those employees whose 401ks are tied to the stock price. �And that's
> just for starters
>
> I've dumbed this down to the point of my coffee cup nodding in
> agreement, hope that you can grasp it Gilligan.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:41�am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar, you should know by now that I fully oppose both the Welfare and
> > the Warfare State. �I think both are created for the deficit spending
> > that enriches those who finance the debt. �Still, it never ceases to
> > amaze me how you, a self professed parasite, can talk of living off
> > the sweat of others.
>
> > You don't remember professing to be a parasite? �Let me refresh your
> > memory. You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > Trader in the stock markets. �That means that by speculating you are
> > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > anything. �You draw a profit which you can then compete for goods and
> > services with those who actually work for a living and put value into
> > the system. �You are living off the sweat of others.
>
> > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite. �You
> > Gaar, by definition, are a parasite.
>
> > Rick
> > 18th Century Liberal
> > 21st Century 
> > Reactionaryhttp://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.comhttp://phreedomphan-ameri...
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > No surprise there.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in what 
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he has
> > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any manner
> > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
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Re: Am I missing something?

[PhreedomPhan]

Speculating doesn't put resources into the system.  It definitely
doesn't produce wealth, not real wealth.  It may produce cash for the
speculating parasite to let them buy the wealth produced by others,
but it doesn't produce wealth.

You speak of ignorance?  When I first encountered you, you knew very
little.  All of your "knowledge" came from Wikipedia.  You understood
little more than you knew.

Since then, you have gone on learning more and more and understanding
less and less.  Now you know a lot more than you did and understand
nothing.

On Nov 6, 12:31�pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:41�am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite.
>
> The Resources I "put" into the "System" are good for the System...
>
> Your ignorance onthe matter notwithstanding.
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Re: Am I missing something?

[PhreedomPhan]

You aren't producing a damned thing.  You're just skimming the wealth
of those who produce it.  You scream about welfare recipient but you
are no better than they.  Well, maybe in that you steal for yourself
and they let the government do it for them.

On Nov 6, 12:30�pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am making my money work for me...
>
> You seem jealous that you are unable to do such.
>
> Call me what you like, I call it producing Wealth for my future.
>
> On Nov 6, 8:41�am,PhreedomPhan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar, you should know by now that I fully oppose both the Welfare and
> > the Warfare State. �I think both are created for the deficit spending
> > that enriches those who finance the debt. �Still, it never ceases to
> > amaze me how you, a self professed parasite, can talk of living off
> > the sweat of others.
>
> > You don't remember professing to be a parasite? �Let me refresh your
> > memory. You have said in the past that you make your living as a Day
> > Trader in the stock markets. �That means that by speculating you are
> > able to draw wealth from the system without actually producing
> > anything. �You draw a profit which you can then compete for goods and
> > services with those who actually work for a living and put value into
> > the system. �You are living off the sweat of others.
>
> > We have in our bodies various bacteria and other organisms that
> > contribute in some way to our well being while drawing nourishment
> > from us, but any creature that draws nourishment from the host body
> > without returning anything useful to that body is a parasite. �You
> > Gaar, by definition, are a parasite.
>
> > Rick
> > 18th Century Liberal
> > 21st Century 
> > Reactionaryhttp://PhreedomPhan-lostliberty.blogspot.comhttp://phreedomphan-ameri...
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:16 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Just making the point that he CHOSE to respond.
>
> > > Usually, those who have no interest don't waste the time.
>
> > > Guess you Loony Liberals have plenty of time to waste, since you are
> > > going to be Living off the sweat of others...
>
> > > No surprise there.
>
> > > On Nov 5, 11:44 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > he is just trying to piss in your pocket hollywood . because the
> > > > people rejected his hero !
>
> > > > On Nov 5, 10:51 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > > Just didn't find the subject all that interesting. So sue me.
>
> > > > > Obama won, deal with it.
>
> > > > > On Nov 5, 12:02 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 8:24 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Dosen't much matter what I think about it.
>
> > > > > > The better question with you holly is do you think?
>
> > > > > > You have shown here, time and again, to be only interested in what 
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > have and have not said, and not really interested in discussing 
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > any further than your smantical rantings...
>
> > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > I could list a few very simple questions about Obama and what he has
> > > > > > said he would do, but why bother?
>
> > > > > > You have never shown an ability to discuss such things in any manner
> > > > > > other than to insult or say what you didn't say...
>
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Hollywood]

Travis,

Just goes to show you what a massive fuck-up George Bush was. Pretty
much ANY Democrat would have won.

On Nov 6, 8:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> have loved Huey Long.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > Senate.
>
> > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
> > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > Certificate?
>
> > > Hm...
>
> > > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > hate them for it.
>
> > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > Years...
>
> > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
>
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Re: USA is now the Obamanation Illuminati (see video too)

[PhreedomPhan]

Sorry, Travis, but this is worthless without a source.

Rick

On Nov 6, 8:33 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From:  Travis
>
> -
> From: Stumpy Steve
> Date: Wed, Nov 5, 2008
> Subject:  USA is now the Obamanation Illuminati (see video too)
>
>    We Will Watch Obama Like A Hawk
>
> Posted 05 Nov 2008 by Bob Chapman USA now the Obamanation, Illuminati and
> elites are always the real
> winners in elections, politicians ruled behind the scenes by the
> powerful, gold and silver futures have been suppressed, more
> economic bubbles coming, stock market losses to reduce global wealth
> by trillions
>
> Congratulations, America. You are now officially the Obamanation.
> Not that you had any other realistic choices. And the only other
> viable alternative, McCain, was no better than Obama. He will now be
> forced to do as he is told under threat of exposure, and will have
> no independent latitude to make decisions concerning anything which
> the Illuminati care about. Biden will be his handler just as Cheney
> was, and continues to be, Caligula's handler. In fact, that's why
> Biden, a fervent and hardened Illuminist, was chosen as VP.
>
> The October Surprise also explains why Palin was chosen as VP for
> McCain. McCain and Palin were never seriously in contention due to
> the coming October Surprise, so this gave the Illuminists a chance
> to cater to the Christian Right without any worries about Palin ever
> becoming President in the event that McCain could no longer serve in
> that capacity. Once again, the naive and fawning Christian Right got
> all excited over being patronized in yet another false-flag overture
> to Christians.
>
> The Palin nomination was intended as a plug for incumbent traitors
> in Congress who had electorates filled with Christian voters. The
> idea was to energize these Christian voters so as to help these
> incumbents get reelected. In this manner, the evil Illuminists
> attempted to keep the best government officials that money could buy
> in office, while the government officials who were up for reelection
> attempted to keep their established system of embedded graft and
> corruption going. Apparently, despite all that has happened, the
> Christian Right still can't recognize a wolf in sheep's clothing,
> nor are they able to perceive when they are being led down a garden
> path. With that kind of gullible leadership, Christianity is doomed
> in the US. In time, we will become just like Europe, unless God
> intervenes with an Exodus-like series of miracles to spark a
> Christian revival, because that is what it will probably take to
> wake up our sleeping Christian leaders.
>
> We would like to rejoice with our black citizens about the election
> of our first black President, but we believe that this victory will
> be bittersweet, or perhaps even Pyrrhic in nature. Had Martin Luther
> King been elected, we could have rejoiced with you. But in case you
> hadn't noticed, Mr. King, whose thoughts and philosophy were the
> antithesis of those held by the Illuminati, ended up being
> assassinated by them, while by contrast, Mr. Obama, an elitist
> bootlicker who surrounds himself with upper tier Illuminist advisors
> like Brzezinski, Buffett, Volcker, Rubin and Anderson, and who kow-
> tows to the same evil Illuminist scum who are financing his Jimmy-
> Carter-like campaign out of obscurity, ended up being elected
> President of the United States. This shows you, in no uncertain
> terms, how corrupt the system really is.
>
> We judge people by the content of their character as Dr. King
> suggested, and based on Mr. Obama's campaign associations alone, we
> would have to conclude that his character is not a good one. His
> support of Fannie and Freddie in the face of their obvious
> bankruptcy, and his number one spot as the target of Fannie and
> Freddie campaign contribution largesse, puts the icing on the cake,
> as does his support of Mr. Odinga, whose attempted coup in Kenya has
> resulted in the destruction of 800 Christian churches and the
> murders of hundreds of Christian Kenyans, events which were totally
> suppressed by the fane-stream media. He is not Dr. King. In fact, he
> is the precise opposite of Dr. King, who preferred peace over
> militancy.
>
> Worse yet, we note that the current group of Illuminati are the most
> virulent racists of all time. They make Hitler look like a civil
> rights leader. What may be happening here is that these fiends are
> trying to associate what will be the worst economic, social and
> political times ever suffered by Americans, which these elitists
> have malevolently and intentionally orchestrated to bring America to
> its knees and to pave the way for world government, with a black
> Presidency.
>
> In one brilliant master stroke, they will take all the misery they
> have created to push us into a corporatist, fascist police state,
> and place it on the head of a black President. In addition, they
> will make sure that his P

Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

Wouldn't it be the job of the FEC to ask Obama for proof of his
citizenship? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
What the fuck do you want? Expect him to mail out 300 million
certified copies of his fucking birth certificate?

Ahhh, you don't consider me a friend? I'm crushed, boo-fucking-hoo.
 A wise man once said a better way to judge a man's character is not
by who his friends are but by who his enemies are. I happily accept,
hell I fucking embrace, your hate.

On Nov 6, 8:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> Certificate?
>
> Hm...
>
> Anyone wonder why?
>
> Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> hate them for it.
>
> They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> Years...
>
> They want hate, I will give them hate.
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

He did provide one. Its online. You can view it if you want. A simple
google search will bring it up. I doubt it will satisfy you though,
you've made up your mind completely contrary to the evidence.

On Nov 6, 11:54 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why does he not just provide the necessary proof and clear this all up?
> HUH???
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:42 PM, You Can't Buy MI Water
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Don't you think one of the many haters would be able to prove hes not
> > a citizen by now? You all have been raving for months about this, yet
> > no one can prove it. You are very quick to dismiss the copy of his
> > birth certificate that is floating around based on your arbitrary
> > criteria as to what a legal birth certificate should look like, but
> > yet cannot prove that it is not legitimate. If he is an alien, ship
> > his ass back to africa, but i have the sneaking suspicion that someone
> > much smarter and more qualified than you has verified his legality and
> > that is precisely why no one will give you the time of day whenever
> > you bring up his citizenship status.
>
> > On Nov 6, 10:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> > > that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> > > have loved Huey Long.
>
> >  > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > > > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > > > Senate.
>
> > > > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > > > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > > > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE
> > he
> > > > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > > > Certificate?
>
> > > > > Hm...
>
> > > > > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > > > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > > > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > > > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > > > hate them for it.
>
> > > > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating
> > them
> > > > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > > > Years...
>
> > > > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

Dont even start with the "great liberators" pile of dogshit argument.

If the Iraqi people wanted a violent, bloody, extended revolution to
overthrow their oppressors they would've done it themselves, but the
three major groups within couldn't all unify to do it themselves. So
we did it for them.
Now, those same groups still cannot unify to run the country we handed
to them, but why should we expect them to in the first place. IN ALL
OF HISTORY SUNNIS, SHI'ITES AND KURDS HAVE NEVER AGREED ON ANYTHING
WHY SHOULD WE EXPECT THEM TO BEHAVE AFTER WE COME INTO THEIR HOUSE,
OVERTURN THE FURNITURE, AND SHIT ALL OVER THE FLOOR!

The answer is either:
A) Bush, or the puppeteers that control him, knew this fact and
ignored it, in turn destroying the lives of millions of Iraqis and
leaving thousands of American families without their beloved kin who
were courageous enough to die for their country. For this, Bush and
his administration should be punished.
OR
B) Bush and the gang were too fucking stupid or ignorant to read a
damn high school social studies book that would have explained to them
that there is a thousand year old cultural divide in the region that
VIOLENCE HAS NOT AND CANNOT SOLVE. THE ENDLESS CYCLE OF VIOLENCE AND
HATE IS THE CAUSE OF THE REGIONAL INSTABILITY. And for their willful
ignorance, Bush and his administration should be punished.

On Nov 6, 10:11 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq.when they are generating
> > billions in oil revenues.
>
> 50 Million People now living in Freedom abnd Democracy, where once
> Tyranny and Fascism Reigned Supreme...
>
> Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> I understand you Loony Liberals believe you should get a Big Screen TV
> from the Government BEFORE one red cent is spent promoting Democracy
> and Freedpom Abroad...
>
> I get it, I just happen to disagree, and believe a Democratic Iraq is
> go
od for the World, and not just the U.S.
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Re: Liberals just don't get it...

[Travis]

The only "thing" that liberals ever "got" was a permanent case of oral
diarrhea.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Nov 6, 12:24 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > The point is, it is a great example of a program that works that never
> > would have been given a chance under a neo-con warhawk administration.
> > or one run by you.
>
>
> Sure they would, and have...
>
> Bush's Faith Based Initiatives are a Prime example.
>
> >
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

I just LOVE the way you use the word "promoting", like bringing out a
new brand of dish detergent or tennis shoe.
Sooo much nicer than invading and occupying for an indefinate length
of time. Cleaner, less bloody.

On Nov 6, 8:11 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq.when they are generating
> > billions in oil revenues.
>
> 50 Million People now living in Freedom abnd Democracy, where once
> Tyranny and Fascism Reigned Supreme...
>
> Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.
>
> I understand you Loony Liberals believe you should get a Big Screen TV
> from the Government BEFORE one red cent is spent promoting Democracy
> and Freedpom Abroad...
>
> I get it, I just happen to disagree, and believe a Democratic Iraq is
> good for the World, and not just the U.S.
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

You're amazing lad. One momemet you want to portray yourself as this
political sophisticate, next you talk like an wide-eyed innocent
straight off the farm wandering around awestruck by the tall
buildings.

A politicians concern is the people who with be either voting for him,
or his opponent, in the next election. So, you God-Damn right an
official elected or rejected by the people in the state he/she
represents is fucking concerned about what those people percieve as
thier interests.
Yes, the best interests of the Country SHOULD come first, even over
your own state, but that ain't the way it always works in reality lad.

I ain't any more thrilled about sharing this country with the likes of
you than you are with me.

On Nov 6, 5:48 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure, if your only concern is the State, and not the Union and doing
> your best for it...
>
> You have shown your true colors.
>
> It should make no one wonder why I would not want to be a fellow
> Countrymen with the likes of you.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar,
>
> > Then obviously Obama did a much better job for the people of the state
> > he represents than McCain did.  :-)
>
> > And no, I'm not taking this, or you seriously. The election is ovwer,
> > your guy lost and your moving to San Marino. Fini.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:34 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > $320 Million in earmarks for Obama in just the last Budget...
>
> > > $0 for McCain.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Gaar,
>
> > > > So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> > > > and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> > > > Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> > > > Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> > > > Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> > > > That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> > > > reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> > > > America. Pretty lame.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > > > > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > > > > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > > > > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > > > > That's one.
>
> > > > > Care to comment?
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > > > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in 
> > > > > > calling
> > > > > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > > > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > > > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > > > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the 
> > > > > > > Democratic
> > > > > > > Party...
>
> > > > > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this 
> > > > > > > > mess
> > > > > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these 
> > > > > > > > one-
> > > > > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you 
> > > > > > > > can't back
> > > > > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He 
> > > > > > > > failedin
> > > > > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for 
> > > > > > > > > > that. A
> > > > > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to 
> > > > > > > > > "balance" the
> > > > > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Travis]

Why does he not just provide the necessary proof and clear this all up?
HUH???

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:42 PM, You Can't Buy MI Water
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Don't you think one of the many haters would be able to prove hes not
> a citizen by now? You all have been raving for months about this, yet
> no one can prove it. You are very quick to dismiss the copy of his
> birth certificate that is floating around based on your arbitrary
> criteria as to what a legal birth certificate should look like, but
> yet cannot prove that it is not legitimate. If he is an alien, ship
> his ass back to africa, but i have the sneaking suspicion that someone
> much smarter and more qualified than you has verified his legality and
> that is precisely why no one will give you the time of day whenever
> you bring up his citizenship status.
>
> On Nov 6, 10:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> > that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> > have loved Huey Long.
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > > Senate.
> >
> > > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
> >
> > > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE
> he
> > > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > > Certificate?
> >
> > > > Hm...
> >
> > > > Anyone wonder why?
> >
> > > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
> >
> > > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
> >
> > > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > > hate them for it.
> >
> > > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating
> them
> > > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > > Years...
> >
> > > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
> >
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> >
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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

Don't you think one of the many haters would be able to prove hes not
a citizen by now? You all have been raving for months about this, yet
no one can prove it. You are very quick to dismiss the copy of his
birth certificate that is floating around based on your arbitrary
criteria as to what a legal birth certificate should look like, but
yet cannot prove that it is not legitimate. If he is an alien, ship
his ass back to africa, but i have the sneaking suspicion that someone
much smarter and more qualified than you has verified his legality and
that is precisely why no one will give you the time of day whenever
you bring up his citizenship status.

On Nov 6, 10:36 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
> that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
> have loved Huey Long.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> > is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> > Senate.
>
> > I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> > States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> > Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
> > On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > > Certificate?
>
> > > Hm...
>
> > > Anyone wonder why?
>
> > > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> > > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> > > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > > hate them for it.
>
> > > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > > Years...
>
> > > They want hate, I will give them hate.
>
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Re: Social Programs Never Work

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

Gaar, I spun nothing about your clinton comment. I just asked a
question. Let me repost it:
"What crime did Willy commit to be in front of a jury to begin with?
And if you lie about an act that in itself was not a crime or part of
a legitimate criminal investigation, is it obstruction of justice? I'm
not being facetious, I really don't know."
You failed to answer my question, and instead chose to call me skewed
and looney...

On Nov 6, 7:54 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:34 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > What crime did Willy commit to be in front of a jury to begin with?
>
> It doesn't matter.
>
> He was in front of a Jury because the SUPREME COURT said a U.S>
> Citizen could have their day in Court against the President.
>
> No surprise you would try to spin such a thing...
>
> You have shown your True colors.
>
> You are hardly an unbiased opinion on the matter, obviously.
>
> Here I was hoping there would be at least one of you Loony Liberals
> that would apply your Morals to EVERYONE EQUALLY...
>
> Alas, it was not to be...
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Re: Social Programs Never Work

[You Can't Buy MI Water]

I'm an agist? You just said I'm too young to be smart. You're an
agist.

On Nov 6, 8:47 pm, NavyBrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't care if Daffy Duck was running against McCain, I still
> > wouldn't vote for man who was born before my old and out of touch
> > parents.
>
> *
> You are very young. And this post from you shows you are an agist.
> Your elders could teach you much...but you like so many young people
> today think they know it all . You know nothing. You haven't lived
> long enough to know anything yet. I feel sorry for our nation if you
> are the hope of our future. Man o man!
>
> On Nov 6, 2:25 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:22 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I don't care if Daffy Duck was running against McCain, I still
> > > wouldn't vote for man who was born before my old and out of touch
> > > parents.
>
> > Well of course...
>
> > You needed to get out and "Change" the World, while you still know
> > everything.
>
> > Your Parents will remain "out of touch", until you realize just who it
> > was that was really "not getting it"...
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Al Franken Speaks

[Travis]

-
From: Travis
Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2008
Subject: Al Franken Speaks






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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Travis]

I am with you.  The libtards would have taken anything that could breathe
that was not a Republican for their messiah this time.  Hell, they would
have loved Huey Long.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
> is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
> Senate.
>
> I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
> States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
> Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.
>
>
> On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> > is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> > Certificate?
> >
> > Hm...
> >
> > Anyone wonder why?
> >
> > Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
> >
> > I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> > them a friend in any way, shape or form.
> >
> > They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> > hate them for it.
> >
> > They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> > for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> > some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> > Years...
> >
> > They want hate, I will give them hate.
> >
>


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Re: You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

If he proves to be Born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible, but he
is an Illegal Alien and wouldn't be eligible to even Serve in the
Senate.

I can only Pray it can be proven he was Born in Kenya, and not in the
States, and then I can be one of the first to demand that his Ass be
Deported back to either Indonesia or Kenya.


On Nov 6, 6:17 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
> is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
> Certificate?
>
> Hm...
>
> Anyone wonder why?
>
> Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.
>
> I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
> them a friend in any way, shape or form.
>
> They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
> hate them for it.
>
> They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
> for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
> some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
> Years...
>
> They want hate, I will give them hate.
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq.when they are generating
> billions in oil revenues.


50 Million People now living in Freedom abnd Democracy, where once
Tyranny and Fascism Reigned Supreme...

Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.

I understand you Loony Liberals believe you should get a Big Screen TV
from the Government BEFORE one red cent is spent promoting Democracy
and Freedpom Abroad...

I get it, I just happen to disagree, and believe a Democratic Iraq is
good for the World, and not just the U.S.

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You Liberal Idiots went after Bush for...

[Gaar]

...His National Guard Records, but you refuse to ask Obama to PROVE he
is eligible to be President by producing his Original Birth
Certificate?

Hm...

Anyone wonder why?

Bunch of Fucking Hypocritical Idiots is what these People are.

I hope none of them wonder why I will never consider a single one of
them a friend in any way, shape or form.

They are successfully destroying the Nation that I Love, and I truly
hate them for it.

They have hated Bush for 8 years, so they can live with me hating them
for the rest of their lives for what THEY have REALLY DONE, and not
some made up shit like they have gone after Bush for for 8 God Damned
Years...

They want hate, I will give them hate.

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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 4:36 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know what, Gaar? Earmarks are pretty low on the to-do list right
> now.


Of course they are, since your guy is Guilty as Sin of them, and  my
guy has NEVER taken any...

Imagine that, you want to dismiss the first thing I bring up because
you can't support what YOUR guy has done.

No surorise there.

Ok, Second thing...

While Obama was Suing Citibank to get them to make these risky Loans,
McCain was in the Senate warning of an impending Crisis in Fannie and
Freddie, if we didn't have some strict oversights in these new Loans
being sought.

Shall we talk about that?

And how those Loans have now, some 12 or so years later, are the MAJOR
CAUSE of our current Financial Crisis.

Can we discuss that, or are we supposed to ignore his actions and
start anew now?

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Soviet Unions

[Travis]

From: Travis
Date: 2008/11/6
Subject: Soviet Unions



  http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=310866946187132



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Re: and so it begins: U.S. Treasury teaches 'Islamic Finance 101'

[mark]

of course you libs have no problem turning our country into just
another muslim state.  you elected one to run the place.

On Nov 6, 5:27 pm, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 5:16 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > no one is bothered by this?
>
> No we're not bothered by it, as we've come to accept being
> bothered by what Bush Jr. tells the federal government to do.
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Re: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"

[mark]

call a spade anything other than a spade, but it is still a spade.
same with a marxist.  call it what you will, but a marxist will always
be a marxist.  and we all gots one now, thanks to the fools in this
country.

On Nov 6, 7:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No.
>
> Another 4 years of calling him Hitler, and the continued hate is what
> drives such things holly.
>
> And you are complaining after just a couple of days going after Obama
> for REAL stuff, and not the made up crap you go after Bush for?
>
> On Nov 6, 4:00 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > gaar,
>
> > So, you seem to agree that another 4 years of Bush's policies would
> > indeed be something for the people of America, and the world, to fear?
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Your side tried to promote McCain as Bush and you want to blame others
> > > for spreading fear?
>
> > > ROTFLMAO
>
> > > Fucking Hypocrite.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:10 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > I make no claim of intellectual superiority. It feels rather
> > > > irrelevant in this climate of fear you repubs promote...
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 5:01 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Brilliant rebuttal...
>
> > > > > I'll have to note that brilliant flow of Logic.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 12:36 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Oh grow up.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > From: Travis
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2008
> > > > > > > Subject: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"
>
> > > > > > >  http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/11/marxism_now_to.php
>
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Re: Social Programs Never Work

[NavyBrat]

> I don't care if Daffy Duck was running against McCain, I still
> wouldn't vote for man who was born before my old and out of touch
> parents.
*
You are very young. And this post from you shows you are an agist.
Your elders could teach you much...but you like so many young people
today think they know it all . You know nothing. You haven't lived
long enough to know anything yet. I feel sorry for our nation if you
are the hope of our future. Man o man!



On Nov 6, 2:25 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 1:22 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't care if Daffy Duck was running against McCain, I still
> > wouldn't vote for man who was born before my old and out of touch
> > parents.
>
> Well of course...
>
> You needed to get out and "Change" the World, while you still know
> everything.
>
> Your Parents will remain "out of touch", until you realize just who it
> was that was really "not getting it"...
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[OMS-II]

He was going to start by eliminating Legislative Earmarks, of which
he
has NEVER taken any.
==
You know what, Gaar? Earmarks are pretty low on the to-do list right
now.

On Nov 6, 6:38 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 3:32 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Let's talk about how McCain had big plans to turn this country around.
> > Okay?
>
> Okay...
>
> He was going to start by eliminating Legislative Earmarks, of which he
> has NEVER taken any.
>
> So on that point he could lead by example.
>
> Not so much with Obama.
>
> Seems you would prefer more of the same old same old...
>
> How is that "Change"?
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[OMS-II]

10 billion dollars a month in Iraq.when they are generating
billions in oil revenues.

I fart in your general direction.

On Nov 6, 6:34 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $320 Million in earmarks for Obama in just the last Budget...
>
> $0 for McCain.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar,
>
> > So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> > and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> > Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> > Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> > Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> > That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> > reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> > America. Pretty lame.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > > That's one.
>
> > > Care to comment?
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > > Party...
>
> > > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't 
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for 
> > > > > > > > that. A
> > > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
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Re: Liberals just don't get it...

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 12:24 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The point is, it is a great example of a program that works that never
> would have been given a chance under a neo-con warhawk administration.
> or one run by you.


Sure they would, and have...

Bush's Faith Based Initiatives are a Prime example.

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Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[rigsy03]

No doubt Palin had a lapse of memory considering the USA, Russia and
Britain slaughtered the indigent populations of AK for pelts.

On Nov 6, 5:59 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is Africa anything but a mess? A land mess of diseased and violent
> pastels. AK is pristine in comparison.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:26 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Obama splashed a lot more cash around than Sarah Palin's wardrobe. Get
> > real.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:21 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > This was a year to slap women around. I wonder if they got the
> > > message? But- among my Obama voting friends, they like Sarah better
> > > than Biden.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 5:13 pm, Cold Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I want to know WHY Nicole Wallace doesn't woman-up and get her fat ass 
> > > > in
> > > > front of a camera and tell this pathetic and sexist tale instead of
> > > > "leaking" this to Carl Cameron and others.  This is the blame game at 
> > > > it's
> > > > ugliest.  I also don't understand how liberal woman don't see sexism 
> > > > when it
> > > > is directed at a conservative woman.  Mind boggling...
>
> > > > CW
>
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Gaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "PoliticalForum" 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 02:34
> > > > Subject: Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"
>
> > > > Find it yourself...
>
> > > > You don't care if truly important things are true or not, so why
> > > > bother with this?
>
> > > > Oh wait, I know why.
>
> > > > Because you are a Partisan Ass that doesn't care to hold those you
> > > > support accountable, you just want to make your opposition look bad,
> > > > no matter what.
>
> > > > I get it.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:31 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Yet the fact remains, I have not heard this stated elsewhere and would
> > > > > like clarification. If it was truly made up, then we need to know it.
> > > > > Link?
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2:29 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Yep, get used to it...
>
> > > > > > I see many thing asserted here bu Loony Liberals that you don't ask
> > > > > > for Links for, yet you jump right in and support them.
>
> > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:27 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > I wonder if you aware how bad anger looks on you. This is a 
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > forum. You made a statement, I asked for a link because I had not
> > > > > > > heard that statement elsewhere. You failed to provide a link and
> > > > > > > instead insult me over it.
> > > > > > > Go figure.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > I refuse to jump through your hoop, yes...
>
> > > > > > > > Again, you want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > > This isn't the first time you have called me a Liar for such 
> > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > and won't likely be the last.
>
> > > > > > > > Again, I am through trying to Teach People like you...
>
> > > > > > > > You can Lead an Ass to the Toilet, but you can't make it shit.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > You made the statement but refuse to back it up, then resort 
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > insulting me over it. Wow.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Wait all you like, I saw it on last nights News and am not 
> > > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > bother finding a Link for an ignorant Ass like you...
>
> > > > > > > > > > You want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Seems you pick and choose the things you want to look at, 
> > > > > > > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > > > am no
> > > > > > > > > > longer interested in trying to Teach such stupid People.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:15 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Funny, I asked you for a link to back up your statement 
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > Fox
> > > > > > > > > > > reported it was all made up. Still waiting
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Funny...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > You didn't seem to use any of the Links showing Obama's 
> > > > > > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Financial Crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > But you want a Link about whether or not the Governor of
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alaska
> > > > > > > > > > > > thought Africa was a Country.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > When the Vice-President Elect has made far worse gaffs 
> > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > CAN be
> > > > > > > > > > > > PROVEN without ANY DOUB

Re: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"

[Gaar]

No.

Another 4 years of calling him Hitler, and the continued hate is what
drives such things holly.

And you are complaining after just a couple of days going after Obama
for REAL stuff, and not the made up crap you go after Bush for?


On Nov 6, 4:00 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gaar,
>
> So, you seem to agree that another 4 years of Bush's policies would
> indeed be something for the people of America, and the world, to fear?
>
> On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Your side tried to promote McCain as Bush and you want to blame others
> > for spreading fear?
>
> > ROTFLMAO
>
> > Fucking Hypocrite.
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:10 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I make no claim of intellectual superiority. It feels rather
> > > irrelevant in this climate of fear you repubs promote...
>
> > > On Nov 6, 5:01 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Brilliant rebuttal...
>
> > > > I'll have to note that brilliant flow of Logic.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 12:36 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Oh grow up.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > From: Travis
> > > > > > Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2008
> > > > > > Subject: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"
>
> > > > > >  http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/11/marxism_now_to.php
>
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Re: Social Programs Never Work

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 1:34 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> What crime did Willy commit to be in front of a jury to begin with?


It doesn't matter.

He was in front of a Jury because the SUPREME COURT said a U.S>
Citizen could have their day in Court against the President.

No surprise you would try to spin such a thing...

You have shown your True colors.

You are hardly an unbiased opinion on the matter, obviously.

Here I was hoping there would be at least one of you Loony Liberals
that would apply your Morals to EVERYONE EQUALLY...

Alas, it was not to be...

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Re: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"

[Hollywood]

gaar,

So, you seem to agree that another 4 years of Bush's policies would
indeed be something for the people of America, and the world, to fear?


On Nov 6, 3:13 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your side tried to promote McCain as Bush and you want to blame others
> for spreading fear?
>
> ROTFLMAO
>
> Fucking Hypocrite.
>
> On Nov 6, 1:10 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I make no claim of intellectual superiority. It feels rather
> > irrelevant in this climate of fear you repubs promote...
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:01 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Brilliant rebuttal...
>
> > > I'll have to note that brilliant flow of Logic.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 12:36 pm, "You Can't Buy MI Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Oh grow up.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 4:35 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > From: Travis
> > > > > Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2008
> > > > > Subject: Marxism now to be called "Sustainable Capitalism"
>
> > > > >  http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/11/marxism_now_to.php
>
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Re: The Fat Lady Still Hasn't Sung.....

[Gaar]

Yeah, but he isn't going to leave you alone.


On Nov 6, 2:11 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But hang on for a second.  I give the libbies here grief over the idea
> that Obama means instant relief/freedom/opportunity.  He doesn't and
> that lies within the individual him/her self.
>
> Along that line, Obama does not mean instant death/slavery/misery to
> the other side.  It might be more difficult (and expensive) but by no
> means is it impossible to be as successful post-Obama then pre-Obama.
>
> Just more work.  I don't need to be saved, I just need him to leave me
> the hell alone, except when it comes to roads, schools or security
> (i.e., military).
>
> Dig?
>
> On Nov 6, 3:55 pm, Travis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There is always hope we will be saved yet.
>
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith In Tampa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > > Is the Messiah's presidential bid short lived?
>
> > > *ELECTION 2008
> > > *Will Supreme Court have say in presidency?
> > > Schedule includes campaign response to questions on Obama birthplace
> > >http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80072
>
> > > [Q] "The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate
> > > exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
>
> > > The governor's office in Hawaii said he had a valid certificate but
> > > rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin. Does the
> > > certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth 
> > > or
> > > was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in 
> > > Hawaii.
>
> > > Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii 
> > > hospitals
> > > where Obama could have been born.
>
> > > But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah
> > > claiming to have witnessed  Obama's birth in 
> > > Kenya.
>
> > > As WND 
> > > reported,
> > > Berg filed suit in U.S. District 
> > > Courtin August, 
> > > alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus
> > > ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded that
> > > Obama provide 
> > > documentationto 
> > > the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama
> > > contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes."
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Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[rigsy03]

Is Africa anything but a mess? A land mess of diseased and violent
pastels. AK is pristine in comparison.

On Nov 6, 5:26 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obama splashed a lot more cash around than Sarah Palin's wardrobe. Get
> real.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:21 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > This was a year to slap women around. I wonder if they got the
> > message? But- among my Obama voting friends, they like Sarah better
> > than Biden.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:13 pm, Cold Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I want to know WHY Nicole Wallace doesn't woman-up and get her fat ass in
> > > front of a camera and tell this pathetic and sexist tale instead of
> > > "leaking" this to Carl Cameron and others.  This is the blame game at it's
> > > ugliest.  I also don't understand how liberal woman don't see sexism when 
> > > it
> > > is directed at a conservative woman.  Mind boggling...
>
> > > CW
>
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Gaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "PoliticalForum" 
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 02:34
> > > Subject: Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"
>
> > > Find it yourself...
>
> > > You don't care if truly important things are true or not, so why
> > > bother with this?
>
> > > Oh wait, I know why.
>
> > > Because you are a Partisan Ass that doesn't care to hold those you
> > > support accountable, you just want to make your opposition look bad,
> > > no matter what.
>
> > > I get it.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:31 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Yet the fact remains, I have not heard this stated elsewhere and would
> > > > like clarification. If it was truly made up, then we need to know it.
> > > > Link?
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 2:29 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yep, get used to it...
>
> > > > > I see many thing asserted here bu Loony Liberals that you don't ask
> > > > > for Links for, yet you jump right in and support them.
>
> > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:27 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > I wonder if you aware how bad anger looks on you. This is a 
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > forum. You made a statement, I asked for a link because I had not
> > > > > > heard that statement elsewhere. You failed to provide a link and
> > > > > > instead insult me over it.
> > > > > > Go figure.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I refuse to jump through your hoop, yes...
>
> > > > > > > Again, you want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > This isn't the first time you have called me a Liar for such 
> > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > and won't likely be the last.
>
> > > > > > > Again, I am through trying to Teach People like you...
>
> > > > > > > You can Lead an Ass to the Toilet, but you can't make it shit.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > You made the statement but refuse to back it up, then resort to
> > > > > > > > insulting me over it. Wow.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Wait all you like, I saw it on last nights News and am not 
> > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > bother finding a Link for an ignorant Ass like you...
>
> > > > > > > > > You want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > > > Seems you pick and choose the things you want to look at, and 
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > am no
> > > > > > > > > longer interested in trying to Teach such stupid People.
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:15 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Funny, I asked you for a link to back up your statement that
> > > > > > > > > > Fox
> > > > > > > > > > reported it was all made up. Still waiting
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Funny...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > You didn't seem to use any of the Links showing Obama's 
> > > > > > > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > > Financial Crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > But you want a Link about whether or not the Governor of
> > > > > > > > > > > Alaska
> > > > > > > > > > > thought Africa was a Country.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > When the Vice-President Elect has made far worse gaffs 
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > CAN be
> > > > > > > > > > > PROVEN without ANY DOUBT.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > And you wonder why I call you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:10 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Got a link?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because they all hope to have P

Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[rigsy03]

Wasn't Bush 43 faulted on some international question? Didn't he
distain "nation building"? How did that work?

On Nov 6, 12:40 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tensions between McCain and Palin camps come to light
>
> McCain aides talk about the Republican vice presidential nominee's
> wardrobe controversy and other issues.
>
> By Maeve Reston and Seema Mehta
>
> November 6, 2008
>
> Reporting from Phoenix — Sarah Palin left the national stage
> Wednesday, but the controversy over her role on the ticket flared as
> aides to John McCain disclosed new details about her expensive
> wardrobe purchases and revealed that a Republican Party lawyer would
> be dispatched to Alaska to inventory and retrieve the clothes still in
> her possession.
>
> Tensions have simmered for much of the last month between aides loyal
> to McCain and those loyal to Palin, but they boiled over after the
> Republican nominee's defeat, as both sides spoke freely -- though
> anonymously -- about the wardrobe controversy and other conflicts.
>
> Two aides to McCain and two to Palin discussed the tensions but asked
> that their names not be revealed, saying they were not comfortable
> speaking openly about internal operations.
>
> The miscommunication and quarrels between the two camps lasted into
> Tuesday night, said McCain aides familiar with the situation. Palin
> arrived at the Arizona Biltmore planning to deliver a speech before
> McCain's concession speech, they said, but was told by senior McCain
> aides Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter that it would not be appropriate.
>
> Fox News reported Wednesday that Palin's lack of knowledge on some
> topics also strained relations. Carl Cameron reported that campaign
> sources told him Palin had resisted coaching before her faltering
> Katie Couric interviews; did not understand that Africa was a
> continent rather than a country; and could not name the three nations
> that are part of the North American Free Trade Agreement -- the United
> States, Canada and Mexico.
>
> For weeks, the McCain-Palin campaign has dealt with the fallout from
> the disclosure that the Republican National Committee was billed for
> $150,000 in wardrobe purchases for the Palin family -- a discovery
> that was widely ridiculed and undercut Palin's hockey mom appeal.
>
> Several McCain aides said they had recently discovered that Palin's
> traveling staff had used personal credit cards to spend as much as
> $20,000 to $30,000 on additional wardrobe items for Palin.
>
> Palin and her press aides were traveling back to Alaska on Wednesday
> and could not be reached for comment. But one aide earlier told
> Newsweek: "Gov. Palin was not directing staffers to put anything on
> their personal credit cards, and anything that staffers put on their
> credit cards has been reimbursed, like an expense."
>
> The original $150,000 in purchases was revealed in late October after
> the release of the September and October Federal Election Commission
> filings by the Republican National Committee. Those reports revealed
> that more than $75,062.63 was spent at Neiman Marcus, $49,425.74 at
> Saks Fifth Avenue and $5,102.71 at Bloomingdale's around the time of
> the Republican National Convention in early September.
>
> The campaign has said that many of those clothes were returned.
>
> But McCain aides said Wednesday that spending on Palin's wardrobe
> continued well after the convention, with one custom-made outfit
> showing up around the time of her "Saturday Night Live" appearance on
> Oct. 18.
>
> As first reported by Newsweek on Wednesday, McCain aides said some of
> that money was spent on clothing for Palin's children and husband,
> Todd, who may have received between $20,000 and $40,000 in wardrobe
> purchases. The money also included thousands of dollars in shoes.
> Several aides also said the items included jewelry, but a Palin aide
> disputed that.
>
> Top McCain aides Schmidt, Rick Davis and Nicolle Wallace were
> flabbergasted by the magnitude of the spending as the receipts began
> trickling into the Republican National Committee, aides said.
>
> Wallace had arranged for a stylist to shop for Palin before the
> convention because the Alaska governor did not have a chance to return
> home after she was selected as McCain's running mate.
>
> Aides familiar with the campaign's internal discussions said Wallace
> and other top aides authorized the purchase of three outfits for Palin
> to wear during convention week and three ensembles for the campaign
> trail. But cost was to be kept to no more than $25,000 to $35,000.
>
> When Schmidt learned that Palin's staff was putting clothing purchases
> on personal credit cards, aides said he called them to stop it.
>
> Palin aides tell a different story. Several close to the governor said
> Wednesday that Palin was outraged by the amount of money being spent
> on her clothing and that she was naive about what the clothes cost.
>
> "The very first day of shopping, t

Re: The Messiah and Emanuel

[Travis]

Appointments to the Supreme Court are not as disasterous as it seems as if
the obamunist gets as many as 3, those will simply replace 3 liberals
already there.  The danger is that they will be there forever.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:31 PM, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> The latter earned millions on Wall Street and was instrumental in the
> bail-out. Next come the Apostles of the Cabinet. A couple of liberal
> Supreme Court Judges...The more things change the more they stay the
> same.
> >
>


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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

Sure, if your only concern is the State, and not the Union and doing
your best for it...

You have shown your true colors.

It should make no one wonder why I would not want to be a fellow
Countrymen with the likes of you.


On Nov 6, 3:45 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> Then obviously Obama did a much better job for the people of the state
> he represents than McCain did.  :-)
>
> And no, I'm not taking this, or you seriously. The election is ovwer,
> your guy lost and your moving to San Marino. Fini.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:34 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > $320 Million in earmarks for Obama in just the last Budget...
>
> > $0 for McCain.
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Gaar,
>
> > > So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> > > and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> > > Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> > > Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> > > Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> > > That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> > > reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> > > America. Pretty lame.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > > > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > > > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > > > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > > > That's one.
>
> > > > Care to comment?
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > > > Party...
>
> > > > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this 
> > > > > > > mess
> > > > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't 
> > > > > > > back
> > > > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He 
> > > > > > > failedin
> > > > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for 
> > > > > > > > > that. A
> > > > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" 
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

Then obviously Obama did a much better job for the people of the state
he represents than McCain did.  :-)

And no, I'm not taking this, or you seriously. The election is ovwer,
your guy lost and your moving to San Marino. Fini.

On Nov 6, 5:34 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> $320 Million in earmarks for Obama in just the last Budget...
>
> $0 for McCain.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar,
>
> > So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> > and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> > Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> > Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> > Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> > That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> > reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> > America. Pretty lame.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > > That's one.
>
> > > Care to comment?
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > > Party...
>
> > > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't 
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for 
> > > > > > > > that. A
> > > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
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Re: Largest stock market drop in election history

[Gaar]

I don't see it as tossing it away...

I see it as preserving it from those who would come take it.

I have been left with no choice.


On Nov 6, 3:39 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a couple of options with three of my children. Not sure I can
> toss away what my parents and I held together all these years. I will
> mull it over the winter.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:10 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The one's who can will leave, before things here get any worse than
> > they already are.
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:46 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Don't you think Boomers will rebel? I do. It will suddenly occur to
> > > them that their retirement is in jeopardy.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > The Messiah has saved me from having a good retirement.
>
> > > > Thank you oh Mr. Messiah, Sir.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 2:45 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yep, and it is going to get much worse.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

Ah well, you have to work with what you've got.

On Nov 6, 5:30 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No holly, that was just a start...
>
> Trying to see if going over the specifics will be worth it.
>
> Will any Liberals discuss such things honestly.
>
> Obviously your not going to, so I will wait to see if others will.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gaar,
>
> > So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> > and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> > Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> > Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> > Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> > That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> > reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> > America. Pretty lame.
>
> > On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > > That's one.
>
> > > Care to comment?
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > > Party...
>
> > > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't 
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for 
> > > > > > > > that. A
> > > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Largest stock market drop in election history

[rigsy03]

I have a couple of options with three of my children. Not sure I can
toss away what my parents and I held together all these years. I will
mull it over the winter.

On Nov 6, 5:10�pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The one's who can will leave, before things here get any worse than
> they already are.
>
> On Nov 6, 1:46�pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Don't you think Boomers will rebel? I do. It will suddenly occur to
> > them that their retirement is in jeopardy.
>
> > On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The Messiah has saved me from having a good retirement.
>
> > > Thank you oh Mr. Messiah, Sir.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:45 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Yep, and it is going to get much worse.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 3:32 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's talk about how McCain had big plans to turn this country around.
> Okay?


Okay...

He was going to start by eliminating Legislative Earmarks, of which he
has NEVER taken any.

So on that point he could lead by example.

Not so much with Obama.

Seems you would prefer more of the same old same old...

How is that "Change"?

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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

On Nov 6, 3:32 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bringing home the pork is something Senators do.

So that is the "Change" you believe in?

Since others do it, it is ok for Obama?!?!?!?!

I thought Leaders led by example, like John McCain.

My Bad.

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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

$320 Million in earmarks for Obama in just the last Budget...

$0 for McCain.


On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> America. Pretty lame.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > That's one.
>
> > Care to comment?
>
> > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > Party...
>
> > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[OMS-II]

Bringing home the pork is something Senators do. I respect John
McCain, but I think he made a poor choice for VP. Furthermore, his
economic policy was more of the same. We have been living with
deregulation and lax oversight for quite some time now. The result?
Worker wages have stagnated while CEO perks have shot through the
roof. Ultimately, the greed and stupidity in the banking industry has
led to a massive bailout.while these guys are still bringing home
huge checks. You think more deregulation is going to make these people
act more responsibly? According to trickle down theory, if you give
the wealthy a chance to make more money, that money will trickle down
to those beneath them.

Well guess what? The wealthy decided they didn't like the second part
of the plan. Nothing trickled down. Jobs have been lossed or shipped
overseas. We have no real industrial infrastructure anymore...it's all
been offshored. You can't pick up a product in Target that doesn't
have a "made in China" sticker on it. The poor are getting whacked by
gas prices while the oil industry makes record profits. Our standing
in the world has dropped considerably. We invaded Iraq when the real
focus should have been on Al Qaeda and OBL, who by the way is still
talking trash.

You want more of the same? Yeahlet's talk about Bush's presidency.
Let's talk about how McCain had big plans to turn this country around.
Okay?

On Nov 6, 6:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> That's one.
>
> Care to comment?
>
> On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > Party...
>
> > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

No holly, that was just a start...

Trying to see if going over the specifics will be worth it.

Will any Liberals discuss such things honestly.

Obviously your not going to, so I will wait to see if others will.


On Nov 6, 3:23 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gaar,
>
> So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
> and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.
>
> Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
> Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
> Fuck yes, that's part of the job.
>
> That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
> reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
> America. Pretty lame.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> > McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> > barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> > As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> > That's one.
>
> > Care to comment?
>
> > On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > > Party...
>
> > > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
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Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[rigsy03]

This was a year to slap women around. I wonder if they got the
message? But- among my Obama voting friends, they like Sarah better
than Biden.

On Nov 6, 5:13 pm, Cold Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to know WHY Nicole Wallace doesn't woman-up and get her fat ass in
> front of a camera and tell this pathetic and sexist tale instead of
> "leaking" this to Carl Cameron and others.  This is the blame game at it's
> ugliest.  I also don't understand how liberal woman don't see sexism when it
> is directed at a conservative woman.  Mind boggling...
>
> CW
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PoliticalForum" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 02:34
> Subject: Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"
>
> Find it yourself...
>
> You don't care if truly important things are true or not, so why
> bother with this?
>
> Oh wait, I know why.
>
> Because you are a Partisan Ass that doesn't care to hold those you
> support accountable, you just want to make your opposition look bad,
> no matter what.
>
> I get it.
>
> On Nov 6, 11:31 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yet the fact remains, I have not heard this stated elsewhere and would
> > like clarification. If it was truly made up, then we need to know it.
> > Link?
>
> > On Nov 6, 2:29 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Yep, get used to it...
>
> > > I see many thing asserted here bu Loony Liberals that you don't ask
> > > for Links for, yet you jump right in and support them.
>
> > > Imagine that.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:27 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I wonder if you aware how bad anger looks on you. This is a discussion
> > > > forum. You made a statement, I asked for a link because I had not
> > > > heard that statement elsewhere. You failed to provide a link and
> > > > instead insult me over it.
> > > > Go figure.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I refuse to jump through your hoop, yes...
>
> > > > > Again, you want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > This isn't the first time you have called me a Liar for such things,
> > > > > and won't likely be the last.
>
> > > > > Again, I am through trying to Teach People like you...
>
> > > > > You can Lead an Ass to the Toilet, but you can't make it shit.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > You made the statement but refuse to back it up, then resort to
> > > > > > insulting me over it. Wow.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Wait all you like, I saw it on last nights News and am not going
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > bother finding a Link for an ignorant Ass like you...
>
> > > > > > > You want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > Seems you pick and choose the things you want to look at, and I
> > > > > > > am no
> > > > > > > longer interested in trying to Teach such stupid People.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:15 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Funny, I asked you for a link to back up your statement that
> > > > > > > > Fox
> > > > > > > > reported it was all made up. Still waiting
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Funny...
>
> > > > > > > > > You didn't seem to use any of the Links showing Obama's part
> > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > Financial Crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > But you want a Link about whether or not the Governor of
> > > > > > > > > Alaska
> > > > > > > > > thought Africa was a Country.
>
> > > > > > > > > When the Vice-President Elect has made far worse gaffs that
> > > > > > > > > CAN be
> > > > > > > > > PROVEN without ANY DOUBT.
>
> > > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > > And you wonder why I call you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:10 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Got a link?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Because they all hope to have Political futures, and
> > > > > > > > > > > don't want to be
> > > > > > > > > > > blamed for the way Palin was "handled" by the McCain
> > > > > > > > > > > People.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:08 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Link?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why would McCain aides lie about such a thing?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:07 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They aslo Reported this shit was made-up...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, CaliforniaLuis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News reports that Palin didn't know Africa

Re: The Messiah and Emanuel

[rigsy03]

Thank you, CW. :-)

On Nov 6, 5:15�pm, Cold Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That is the most astute comment I have seen all day. �Obama campaigns on
> CHANGE and then his first pick is a Washington insider with a reputation for
> being an unyielding, partisan SOB. �Go figure...
>
> CW
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "rigsy03" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PoliticalForum" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 05:31
> Subject: The Messiah and Emanuel
>
> The latter earned millions on Wall Street and was instrumental in the
> bail-out. Next come the Apostles of the Cabinet. A couple of liberal
> Supreme Court Judges...The more things change the more they stay the
> same.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[rigsy03]

Obama splashed a lot more cash around than Sarah Palin's wardrobe. Get
real.

On Nov 6, 5:21 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This was a year to slap women around. I wonder if they got the
> message? But- among my Obama voting friends, they like Sarah better
> than Biden.
>
> On Nov 6, 5:13 pm, Cold Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I want to know WHY Nicole Wallace doesn't woman-up and get her fat ass in
> > front of a camera and tell this pathetic and sexist tale instead of
> > "leaking" this to Carl Cameron and others.  This is the blame game at it's
> > ugliest.  I also don't understand how liberal woman don't see sexism when it
> > is directed at a conservative woman.  Mind boggling...
>
> > CW
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "PoliticalForum" 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 02:34
> > Subject: Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"
>
> > Find it yourself...
>
> > You don't care if truly important things are true or not, so why
> > bother with this?
>
> > Oh wait, I know why.
>
> > Because you are a Partisan Ass that doesn't care to hold those you
> > support accountable, you just want to make your opposition look bad,
> > no matter what.
>
> > I get it.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:31 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Yet the fact remains, I have not heard this stated elsewhere and would
> > > like clarification. If it was truly made up, then we need to know it.
> > > Link?
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:29 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Yep, get used to it...
>
> > > > I see many thing asserted here bu Loony Liberals that you don't ask
> > > > for Links for, yet you jump right in and support them.
>
> > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:27 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > I wonder if you aware how bad anger looks on you. This is a discussion
> > > > > forum. You made a statement, I asked for a link because I had not
> > > > > heard that statement elsewhere. You failed to provide a link and
> > > > > instead insult me over it.
> > > > > Go figure.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I refuse to jump through your hoop, yes...
>
> > > > > > Again, you want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > This isn't the first time you have called me a Liar for such things,
> > > > > > and won't likely be the last.
>
> > > > > > Again, I am through trying to Teach People like you...
>
> > > > > > You can Lead an Ass to the Toilet, but you can't make it shit.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > You made the statement but refuse to back it up, then resort to
> > > > > > > insulting me over it. Wow.
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Wait all you like, I saw it on last nights News and am not going
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > bother finding a Link for an ignorant Ass like you...
>
> > > > > > > > You want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > > > Seems you pick and choose the things you want to look at, and I
> > > > > > > > am no
> > > > > > > > longer interested in trying to Teach such stupid People.
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:15 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Funny, I asked you for a link to back up your statement that
> > > > > > > > > Fox
> > > > > > > > > reported it was all made up. Still waiting
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Funny...
>
> > > > > > > > > > You didn't seem to use any of the Links showing Obama's part
> > > > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > > > Financial Crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > > > But you want a Link about whether or not the Governor of
> > > > > > > > > > Alaska
> > > > > > > > > > thought Africa was a Country.
>
> > > > > > > > > > When the Vice-President Elect has made far worse gaffs that
> > > > > > > > > > CAN be
> > > > > > > > > > PROVEN without ANY DOUBT.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And you wonder why I call you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:10 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Got a link?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Because they all hope to have Political futures, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > don't want to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > blamed for the way Palin was "handled" by the McCain
> > > > > > > > > > > > People.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:08 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Link?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would McCain aides lie about such a thing?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:07 pm, Gaa

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

Neither were the guys I voted for.
Actually you voted for one woman. That's a Yankee thing I think,
calling everyonr "guys" regardless of gender. Fucking barbaric.

On Nov 6, 5:15 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The guys I Voted for aren't/weren't Socialists.
>
> On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > Party...
>
> > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Hollywood]

Gaar,

So, McCain WOULD have just been more of Bush. More failure, more money
and lives poured down the drain you call Iraq.

Kinda' depends on what you call "pork barrel spending", dosen't it?
Did Obama try to get jobs and govt. spending projects for his state?
Fuck yes, that's part of the job.

That was it? Those were the only two, or at least the primary two,
reasons you wish to claim would have made McCain a btter choice for
America. Pretty lame.

On Nov 6, 5:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.
>
> McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
> barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.
>
> As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.
>
> That's one.
>
> Care to comment?
>
> On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> > '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> > It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> > people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> > List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> > policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> > the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > > Party...
>
> > > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > > Wonder no more.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > > almost every category.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[rigsy03]

It is now normal for groups to "work" the system. That is not
altruism.

On Nov 6, 6:41 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought that the reference to a "spirit of sacrifice" as refering to
> a spirit where it is normal for people to put the interests of the
> community, ahead of their own narrow, and frequently greedy goals of
> wealth. It might just mean that there will be a place in the country
> for the truly honest businesses. I would think that is not a bad
> thing.
> Now if the supreme court justices he will be appointing are as young
> as he is, his administration could have lasting effects.
> On Nov 6, 4:33 am, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Remember Supreme Court appointments looming.
>
> > On Nov 6, 3:17 am, "\"Lone Wolf\"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition
> > > 6 November 2008
>
> > > Barack Obama won the US presidential election Tuesday riding a wave of
> > > popular opposition to the Bush administration and the Republican
> > > Party. Tens of millions of voters delivered a massive repudiation of
> > > the politics of social reaction that have dominated America for
> > > decades.
>
> > > The "Obama coalition," however, is fraught with contradictions. The
> > > majority of those who voted for Obama want an end to social
> > > inequality, the erosion of democratic rights and militarism. Yet,
> > > despite Obama's rhetoric about uniting "Main Street and Wall Street"
> > > and "the rich and the poor," he is committed to defending the
> > > interests of the most powerful sections of the American corporate
> > > elite.
>
> > > The Democratic Party is already seeking to dampen popular expectations
> > > about the incoming administration. Obama suggested this himself in his
> > > victory speech in Chicago, when he said, "The road ahead will be
> > > long...We may not get there in one year or even one term...There are
> > > many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as
> > > president, and we know that government can't solve every problem."
>
> > > Leading Democrats have lined up to insist that it would be wrong to
> > > interpret the election as a mandate for substantial changes in policy.
> > > Instead, they are saying the next administration will have to rule
> > > from the "center" and rely on a bipartisan alliance with the
> > > Republicans.
>
> > > In an article Wednesday entitled, "Hard Choices and Challenges Follow
> > > Triumph," the Washington Post cited several unnamed Obama advisors who
> > > said "they were well aware of the dangers of interpreting the results
> > > as a mandate for unabashed liberal government."
>
> > > In other words, the Democrats must reject the will of the American
> > > people—who just handed them control of the White House and a greater
> > > majority in Congress—and shape policy in conjunction with the most
> > > right-wing and pro-business sections of the political establishment,
> > > who were overwhelmingly rejected at the polls.
>
> > > One only has to contrast this with Bush's insistence that he had a
> > > mandate for his right-wing agenda despite losing the popular vote in
> > > 2000 and failing to win a majority in 2004.
>
> > > While collaborating with the Republicans, the Democrats are preparing
> > > to defy popular expectations that the next administration will provide
> > > relief from the growing economic catastrophe. As the Post noted, Obama
> > > advisors "are ready for potential conflict with some Democratic
> > > constituencies or with some liberal Democrats in Congress, whose pent-
> > > up demand for action may clash with Obama's priorities, and are
> > > prepared to say no."
>
> > > The cost of the Wall Street bailout, expanded military operations and
> > > a ballooning budget deficit will preclude any expansion in social
> > > spending. On the contrary, the Democrats intend to make the working
> > > class pay for the breakdown of American capitalism and the government
> > > bailout of the financial aristocracy.
>
> > > Leon Panetta, the former White House chief of staff who has been
> > > advising Obama's transition team, told the New York Times, referring
> > > to the new president, "You better damn well do the tough stuff up
> > > front, because if you think you can delay the tough decisions and
> > > tiptoe past the graveyard, you're in for a lot of trouble," Mr.
> > > Panetta said. "Make the decisions that involve pain and sacrifice up
> > > front."
>
> > > Obama's selection for White House chief of staff—Rahm Emanuel, the
> > > chairman of the Democratic Caucus in the House of Representatives—
> > > gives an indication of the reactionary social types he is assembling
> > > for his administration. As a senior advisor to former President Bill
> > > Clinton, he championed law-and-order, "welfare reform" and other
> > > reactionary measures aimed at disassociating the Democrats from the
> > > liberal reforms of the past.
>
> > > After leaving the Cl

Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

The guys I Voted for aren't/weren't Socialists.


On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > Party...
>
> > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > Wonder no more.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > almost every category.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
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Re: The Messiah and Emanuel

[Cold Water]

That is the most astute comment I have seen all day.  Obama campaigns on 
CHANGE and then his first pick is a Washington insider with a reputation for 
being an unyielding, partisan SOB.  Go figure...

CW

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From: "rigsy03" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PoliticalForum" 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 05:31
Subject: The Messiah and Emanuel



The latter earned millions on Wall Street and was instrumental in the
bail-out. Next come the Apostles of the Cabinet. A couple of liberal
Supreme Court Judges...The more things change the more they stay the
same.


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Re: Class divisions begin to emerge in Obama coalition

[Gaar]

McCain would only have continued Policies on the War.

McCain, during his ENTIRE Political Career, has NEVER taken any pork
barrel spending measure, and has railed against them.

As Obama got over a $MILLION$ for EVERY DAY he has been in the Senate.

That's one.

Care to comment?


On Nov 6, 2:37 pm, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Really? Did you vote to give the Reps absolute power in '00, '02, and
> '04? Did you hope for more of the same?
>
> It appears, Gaar, that you're more interested (and capable) in calling
> people ignorant that you are in having a substantive discussion.
>
> List the reasons why McCain...and a continuation of Bush's
> policies.would have been better for the countryokay? Cut out
> the stupid stuff and talk like an adult.
>
> On Nov 6, 3:04 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Policies that got us into this mess are those of the Democratic
> > Party...
>
> > And you just gave them almost absolute power.
>
> > And you wonder if that makes you ignorant?
>
> > Wonder no more.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:01 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > In my book, voting to continue the policy that got us into this mess
> > > would make YOU the ignorant ass. You keep throwing out these one-
> > > liners about socialism, etc. ala Rush and Hannity, but you can't back
> > > them up. Bush has had 8 years to make things better. He failedin
> > > almost every category.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 1:44 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 10:37 am, OMS-II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > 1. Capitalism is NOT going to endno one is calling for that. A
> > > > > little more regulation may be in order though
>
> > > > When you take from some to give to others, simply to "balance" the
> > > > playing field, you are no longer a Capitalistic Society.
>
> > > > Regardless of what your ignorant Ass thinks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"

[Cold Water]

I want to know WHY Nicole Wallace doesn't woman-up and get her fat ass in 
front of a camera and tell this pathetic and sexist tale instead of 
"leaking" this to Carl Cameron and others.  This is the blame game at it's 
ugliest.  I also don't understand how liberal woman don't see sexism when it 
is directed at a conservative woman.  Mind boggling...

CW

- Original Message - 
From: "Gaar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PoliticalForum" 
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 02:34
Subject: Re: McCain Aides..."Palin Thought Africa Was a Country"



Find it yourself...

You don't care if truly important things are true or not, so why
bother with this?

Oh wait, I know why.

Because you are a Partisan Ass that doesn't care to hold those you
support accountable, you just want to make your opposition look bad,
no matter what.

I get it.


On Nov 6, 11:31 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yet the fact remains, I have not heard this stated elsewhere and would
> like clarification. If it was truly made up, then we need to know it.
> Link?
>
> On Nov 6, 2:29 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yep, get used to it...
>
> > I see many thing asserted here bu Loony Liberals that you don't ask
> > for Links for, yet you jump right in and support them.
>
> > Imagine that.
>
> > On Nov 6, 11:27 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I wonder if you aware how bad anger looks on you. This is a discussion
> > > forum. You made a statement, I asked for a link because I had not
> > > heard that statement elsewhere. You failed to provide a link and
> > > instead insult me over it.
> > > Go figure.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 2:24 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > I refuse to jump through your hoop, yes...
>
> > > > Again, you want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > This isn't the first time you have called me a Liar for such things,
> > > > and won't likely be the last.
>
> > > > Again, I am through trying to Teach People like you...
>
> > > > You can Lead an Ass to the Toilet, but you can't make it shit.
>
> > > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > You made the statement but refuse to back it up, then resort to
> > > > > insulting me over it. Wow.
>
> > > > > On Nov 6, 2:18 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Wait all you like, I saw it on last nights News and am not going 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > bother finding a Link for an ignorant Ass like you...
>
> > > > > > You want it, find it for yourself.
>
> > > > > > Seems you pick and choose the things you want to look at, and I 
> > > > > > am no
> > > > > > longer interested in trying to Teach such stupid People.
>
> > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:15 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Funny, I asked you for a link to back up your statement that 
> > > > > > > Fox
> > > > > > > reported it was all made up. Still waiting
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:14 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Funny...
>
> > > > > > > > You didn't seem to use any of the Links showing Obama's part 
> > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > Financial Crisis.
>
> > > > > > > > But you want a Link about whether or not the Governor of 
> > > > > > > > Alaska
> > > > > > > > thought Africa was a Country.
>
> > > > > > > > When the Vice-President Elect has made far worse gaffs that 
> > > > > > > > CAN be
> > > > > > > > PROVEN without ANY DOUBT.
>
> > > > > > > > Imagine that.
>
> > > > > > > > And you wonder why I call you ignorant?
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:10 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Got a link?
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:09 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Because they all hope to have Political futures, and 
> > > > > > > > > > don't want to be
> > > > > > > > > > blamed for the way Palin was "handled" by the McCain 
> > > > > > > > > > People.
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 11:08 am, wncs woke up in a blue state
>
> > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Link?
> > > > > > > > > > > Why would McCain aides lie about such a thing?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2:07 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > They aslo Reported this shit was made-up...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 10:59 am, CaliforniaLuis 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Fox News reports that Palin didn't know Africa was 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a continent and did
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not know the member nations of the North American 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Trade Agreement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- the United States, Mexico and Canada -- when 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > she was picked for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > vice president.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 6

Re: Largest stock market drop in election history

[Gaar]

The one's who can will leave, before things here get any worse than
they already are.


On Nov 6, 1:46 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't you think Boomers will rebel? I do. It will suddenly occur to
> them that their retirement is in jeopardy.
>
> On Nov 6, 2:32 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Messiah has saved me from having a good retirement.
>
> > Thank you oh Mr. Messiah, Sir.
>
> > On Nov 6, 2:45 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Yep, and it is going to get much worse.
>
> > > On Nov 6, 11:21 am, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aj_ayFUP0riQ&refe...quoted
> > > > text -
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Re: Largest stock market drop in election history

[Gaar]

The Market is forward looking...

Your ignorance on the matter notwithstanding.


On Nov 6, 2:25 pm, studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 3:32 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The Messiah has saved me from having a good retirement.
>
> > Thank you oh Mr. Messiah, Sir.
>
> Obama isn't even President yet and you're blaming him for the
> Bush Jr. follies of a failed Republican superior economic theory.
>
> More denial of exactly who *is* President currently.
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US Stocks Tumble in Markets Worst Two Day Slump Since 1987

["Lone Wolf"]

US Stocks Tumble in Markets Worst Two Day Slump Since 1987

By Lynn Thomasson
Nov. 6 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks slid, sending the market to its
biggest two-day slump since 1987, after jobless claims jumped and the
shrinking economy crushed earnings at companies from Blackstone Group
Inc. to News Corp.

Blackstone, the largest private-equity firm, fell 12 percent after
posting the biggest quarterly loss in its 18 months as a public
company. News Corp. sank 16 percent after the media company controlled
by Rupert Murdoch said ad sales decreased. Chevron Corp. fell 6.4
percent as oil tumbled to a 19-month low, while an unexpected decrease
in chain-store sales dragged down 25 of 27 shares in the S&P 500
Retailing Index.

``We're a long way from the end of the economic challenges,'' said
Mike Morcos, who helps manage $1 billion at Old Second Wealth
Management in Aurora, Illinois. ``Earnings next year are going to be
significantly lower and estimates are going to continue to come
down.''

The Standard & Poor's 500 Index fell 5 percent to 904.88, extending
its two-day loss to 10 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average
retreated 443.48 points, or 4.9 percent, to 8,695.79. The Russell 2000
Index of small U.S. companies declined 3.7 percent to 495.84. The MSCI
World Index of 23 developed markets lost 5.9 percent to 925.09.

The two-day tumble following Election Day wiped out more than half of
the market's rebound from a five-year low on Oct. 27. Both the S&P 500
and Dow average posted their biggest two-day slides since plunging
more than 24 percent as rising borrowing costs helped spur the market
crash of October 1987.

Europe Slides

BP Plc led a 5.6 percent retreat in Europe's benchmark index even
after the Bank of England unexpectedly cut its benchmark interest rate
by 1.5 percentage points to 3 percent to contain damage from a
recession. Switzerland's central bank and the European Central Bank
reduced their main lending rates by 50 basis points.

The S&P 500 is down 38 percent this year, poised for the steepest
annual retreat since 1937. The benchmark for U.S. equities has plunged
42 percent since its record in October 2007 after the U.S. economy
shrunk in two of the last four quarters.

The VIX, as the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index is
known, climbed 17 percent to 63.68. The measure tracks the cost of
using options as insurance against declines in the S&P 500.

``It's just been a steady, steady sell,'' said Alan Gayle, the
Richmond, Virginia-based senior strategist at Ridgeworth Investments,
which oversees about $70 billion. ``The pain and frustration and
anxiety of these volatile moves from one day to the next has
discouraged a lot of investors to move to the sidelines.''

Lost Jobs

About 481,000 workers filed initial jobless claims last week, the
Labor Department said today in Washington, exceeding the 477,000
projected by economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The number of
people staying on benefit rolls was the most since February 1983.

A report tomorrow will probably show U.S. employers eliminated jobs in
October for a 10th consecutive month, based on economists' estimates.

Earnings at companies in the S&P 500 that have reported third-quarter
results fell 9.2 percent on average, Bloomberg data show. Analysts
expect full-year profits to drop 7.7 percent, according to a
compilation of analysts' estimates.

S&P 500 energy companies lost 6.1 percent as a group, as oil declined
for the third time this week. Crude for December delivery retreated
6.9 percent to $60.77 a barrel, the lowest settlement since March
2007.
Exxon Mobil, the world's largest oil company, tumbled $3.73 to $69.96,
while Chevron Corp. slid 6.4 percent to $70.11.

Tech Slump

Cisco Systems Inc. declined 2.6 percent to $16.94. The biggest maker
of networking equipment forecast the first revenue drop in five years
because of the financial crisis.

Advanced Micro Devices Inc. tumbled 11 percent to $3.17. The second-
largest maker of personal-computer processors plans to cut 500 jobs,
about 3 percent of the workforce, as part of its effort to return to
profitability.
Technology companies in the S&P 500 lost 5.4 percent collectively.
Dell Inc., Intel Corp. and Hewlett-Packard Co. fell more than 5
percent.

Amazon.com Inc. sank 9.2 percent to $47.22. The largest Internet
retailer was cut to ``hold'' from ``buy'' at Citigroup Inc., which
noted the shares' surge of as much as 36 percent since third-quarter
results and concerns consumer spending will slow.

GM's Survival

General Motors Corp. had the steepest decline in almost a month,
tumbling 14 percent to $4.80. The largest U.S. automaker is focused on
winning government aid to survive through 2009, not to help a merger
with Chrysler LLC, as it uses cash faster than it forecast, people
familiar with the plans said. GM plans to give an update on liquidity
when it reports third-quarter results tomorrow.

Tyco Electronics Ltd. fell the most in more than a year, slumping 12
perce

Obama selects White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

["Lone Wolf"]

Obama's selection for White House chief of staff—Rahm Emanuel, the
chairman of the Democratic Caucus in the House of Representatives—
gives an indication of the reactionary social types he is assembling
for his administration. As a senior advisor to former President Bill
Clinton, he championed law-and-order, "welfare reform" and other
reactionary measures aimed at disassociating the Democrats from the
liberal reforms of the past.

After leaving the Clinton administration, Emanuel reportedly earned
$18 million while employed by the global investment banking firm of
Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein in Chicago, where he worked from 1999
to 2002.

During his run for Congress in 2002, Emanuel broke ranks with the
Democratic congressional delegation from Illinois and supported the
authorization of the war against Iraq, explicitly backing President
Bush. Rising to the fourth-highest position in the House Democratic
leadership, Emanuel played a key role in the passage of the $700
billion Wall Street bailout.

Emanuel has close ties to Israel and is a leading member of the right-
wing Democratic Leadership Council, which includes figures such as the
Clintons and Senator Joseph Lieberman. He is expected to play a key
role in the selection of cabinet appointees, including the Treasury
and defense secretaries.

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Re: Terror attacks might be more likely ...

[rigsy03]

Pure supposition.

On Nov 6, 4:43�pm, Philobealo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since B. Obama was Muslim the first few years of his life and is now
> allegedly a Christian, that should make him particularly hated by the
> Islamic fundamentalists. I understand that they consider that the
> worst kind of Infidel... The president-elect had better prepare for
> their wrath...
>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/06/inside-the-ring-20169...
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