How-to solve our money and banking problems
From: http://www.howto-ville.com/Money%20Section/howtosolve.html / 3/24/09 Two ways (A B) to solve our Money and Banking problems and perhaps pay for everyone’s Medical Insurance and Social Security as well ... A quote from history that emphasizes the power of leverage: “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.” -- Archimedes. There is a glossary following this plan A) Give me a State-chartered Narrow Bank with a Zero Reserve Rule and a place to sit and I shall create all the money this country can use gracefully. B) Give me a State-chartered Narrow Bank with any Reserve Rule and an unlimited supply of stockholders and a place to sit and I shall create all the money this country can use gracefully. 1. There are only two factors that control the amount of money a bank can lend -- (a) is the sum of the amount of capital invested in the bank, plus the transactional deposits of its customers and (b) is the Required Reserve as a percentage of the loans. 2. If capital is increased enough -- or the reserve is reduced enough, the lending allowed will approach infinity. 3. In both cases the narrow charter is important: It must force the bank managers to follow sensible rules and refrain from doing strange things other than narrowly controlled lending. 4. It is a simple matter to write such a charter. I think such a charter can be patented in the interest of the common good and assigned to the public at large. 5. Charters are the routine way banks are permitted to operate. 6. England, Canada, Mexico, New Zealand, and Sweden have a zero reserve requirement. 7. If the loans are used to create wealth equal in value (at market prices) to the amount of the loans -- there will be no inflation. We think this is plain common sense describing a situation where money and wealth are balanced. But beware, many economists and experts think this is economic heresy. They dogmatically argue that the creation of any new money is inflationary. 8. If, on top of this, if the Federal government sells bonds (yielding -- say 6%) to individuals and invests the proceeds of those bonds to buy stock in the banks, I think the income on the bonds would easily pay for all of our medical insurance and social-security benefits. 9. The downside leverage in the fractional reserve system is all that is needed to keep the banks prudent as long as banks are prohibited from selling their loans to third parties. 10. Comments? Questions? -- end of plan --- Supplementary Information: In the case at hand, the banks will be only allowed to lend money (a) under a 10% reserve rule to (b) well qualified borrowers with (c) adequate collateral and (d) a reasonable plan to create wealth with the loan money where the value of the wealth created in dollars will be more that the dollar value of the loan. If the banks are run as frugally as possible, the banks will generate an enormous profit -- something like 35% on the invested capital in the bank. In order to make sure that this profit is not squandered by the managers of the bank, the charters should tightly control what can and what can’t be done with the profits. In my view the return to the bank stockholders should be 6% on their invested capital and the other 29% should be used for the common national good -- primarily Medical and Social Security Insurance. Martin Carbone / 5123 Don Rodolfo Drive / Carlsbad, CA 9201 / Tel: 760-603-1910 / martycarb...@yahoo.com Glossary -- we believe the following glossary defines the terms that might not be familiar to the reader. 1 State-chartered bank -- A bank that is operating under a State Charter. Most banks in the United States are operating under a State Charter. 2 Charter -- A written document, issued by the State, by which an institution such as a bank is created and its rights and privileges defined. 3 Reserve Rule -- The State or Federal rule that specifies the percentage of loans a bank must keep in reserve. See Section 19(b) - (2) - (of the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT) where the following is written “RESERVE REQUIREMENTS.--(A) Each depository institution shall maintain reserves against its transaction accounts as the Board may prescribe by regulation solely for the purpose of implementing monetary policy-- (i) a ratio of not greater than 3 percent (and which may be zero) in [sic] for that portion of its total transaction accounts of $25,000,000 or less ... “ See http://www.fdic.gov/ regulations/laws/rules/7500-200.html#750019(b) 4 Narrow Charter -- A charter that restricts the allowed bank services to a very few, tightly controlled services. We are specifically suggesting that we now focus on banks that will be making 4% home loans. 5 Transaction account -- An account that records a bank’s deposits on the banks books. The following is from
US lawmaker: Obama budget makes US worse than Cuba
President Barack Obama's 3.55-trillion-dollar budget plan will leave the United States with a worse budget deficit than Cuba, a leading Republican critic warned Tuesday. This creates for us a higher deficit than Cuba's. This is not the kind of position we want to put the United States in, Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters. Other Republican critics of Obama's spending policies, including his nearly 800-billion-dollar economic stimulus package, have variously warned that he risks turning the country into Argentina, France, Germany, or Zimbabwe. Asked for the figures underpinning the charge, a McConnell aide pointed to a report from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office that warned the US budget deficit for fiscal year 2009, ending September 30, would swell to 13.1 percent of Gross Domestic Product. Cuba's deficit in 2008 was 4.1 percent of GDP using the official exchange rate, or 1.57 percent using another measure of total national output, according to the CIA. According to official Cuban government figures, Cuba's projected deficit in 2009 will run to 5.6 percent of GDP, less than the 6.7 percent it reached in 2008. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.62a148d8155607db7d3fc5217177f85f.d31show_article=1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Midland Texas Councilman ejected from radio talk show
T. B. Bechtel, a part-time City Councilman from Midland, TX, was asked on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought of the allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners. His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but to thunderous applause from the audience. ‘If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner’s balls to a car’s battery cables will save one Texas GI’s life, then I have just three things to say: ‘Red is positive, Black is negative, Make sure his balls are wet.’ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Midland Texas Councilman ejected from radio talk show
He got that right. give him a medal.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
T. B. Bechtel, a part-time City Councilman from Midland, TX, was asked
on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought of the
allegations of torture of the Iraqi prisoners.
His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but to thunderous
applause from the audience.
‘If hooking up an Iraqi prisoner’s balls to a car’s battery cables
will save one Texas GI’s life, then I have just three things to say:
‘Red is positive,
Black is negative,
Make sure his balls are wet.’
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OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army.
From: *Travis* Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2009 Subject: OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/obamas-brownshirts-were-looking-for-supporters-were-not-looking-for-a-fight-that-will-come-later-whe.html Tuesday, March 24, 2009 OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. FLASHBACK JULY 2, 2008 We are going to grow our foreign service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy, said Obama*. We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. *Barack Hussein herehttp://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/corruption-er-1.html Here it is from Obama's army.. as promised. Now they are bullying and intimidating folks into supporting the bankruptcy and handover of America to our natural enemies. Obama volunteers hunt budget support in Birmingham, Alabama grassroots campaignhttp://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1237709752152800.xmlcoll=2The Birmingham News (hat tip MQK) *Volunteers fanned out across the Birmingham area and Alabama Saturday to pump up enthusiasm for President Barack Obama's budget proposal in much the same way they did to win over voters during the presidential campaign. * About 30 volunteers in Birmingham canvassed shopping areas and other high-traffic locations to talk about the need for health care reform, an education overhaul and environmentally friendly energy development. *If we don't change these three things in the next 10 to 15 years, America is over as we know it, Chris DeHaven, told the group of volunteers before they went their separate ways. * Obama's plan faces criticism from Republicans and others who say it's too expensive. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report Friday saying Obama's agenda would cause huge budget deficits, *forcing the country to borrow $9.3 trillion in the next decade. * Those who gathered at Kelly Ingram Park in downtown Birmingham were urged to enlist others who share Obama's vision and to stay away from trying to convert naysayers. *We're looking for supporters, said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. * The volunteers are part of Organizing for America, the same grassroots, national network credited in large part with Obama's quick rise from obscurity to president. Birmingham and 11 other sites statewide were part of a national push this weekend by Organizing for America to trumpet Obama's spending proposal. Across the metro area, volunteers gave their opinions about why Obama's plan is good for the country's future. Then they asked those willing to sign a pledge of support for the budget. Supporters' e-mail addresses and other contact information were collected, to keep people engaged and to recruit more volunteers. Leanne Townsend of Hoover also helped organize Saturday's event. She has been a member of the Obama grassroots network since March 2007. Our group in Birmingham has been very involved, Townsend said. We're still very energetic. We all worked so hard during the campaign. We can't just stop. * *His book *Defeating the Totalitarian Lie*http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=%22Defeating+the+Totalitarian+Liex=17y=26...Helmar Von Campe. *The main preoccupation of my parents during the Nazi years was to save us children from Nazi indoctrination, says Hilmar von Campe. *At 10 years old, like every other child, he had to enter the Hitler Youth and at 18 he was conscripted into the army. He was a gunner in a tank in the Yugoslavian theatre fighting the Soviet army, became in 1945 a prisoner of war of the Communist Tito government and in the same year staged a sensational escape crossing seven borders. His reports about the Nazi years and the war are a lesson of history as he brings facts unknown to most Americans. He describes why it came about, his own moral responsibility and how his life changed. The Nazi system, like any other totalitarian system, he says, is based on lies. *Lies are at the root of the problem in the world. You can't defeat them with money or armies but only with the truth. Hilmar compares developments in American society and in the world today with what happened in pre-Nazi Germany and warns America to turn away now from the destructive ideological path we are on. * Vus machstu Conscription?http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/vus-machstu-con.html *Atlas Shrugs: NAZI YOUTH - OBAMA
H.R. 1388: Obamas Youth Brigade Conscripts Would Be Prohibited from Organizing or Engaging in Protests or Participating in a Variety of Religious Activities
From: Travis
Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2009
Subject: H.R. 1388: Obamas Youth Brigade Conscripts Would Be Prohibited from
Organizing or Engaging in Protests or Participating in a Variety of
Religious Activities
http://cryptogon.com/?p=7652
AKA the Obamunist Youth Corps
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Were all screwed, government to buy condoms from China
From: Travis
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009
Subject: Were all screwed, government to buy condoms from China
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/government-to-buy-condoms-from-china
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Computer Virus Time Bomb Could Go Off April 1 - Conficker Virus Homeland Security News
From: Travis
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009
Subject: Computer Virus Time Bomb Could Go Off April 1 - Conficker Virus
Homeland Security News
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2009/03/24/computer-virus-time-bomb-could-go-off-april-1-conficker-virus/
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Re: A China Owned America. Does China's gifts under the tree mean the streets and soup lines for home owners?
I am familiar with the theories of the trilateralists, the Bilderbergers,
and especially the Council on Foreign Relations, which is nothing more than
a think tank, no different than the CATO Institute, (with the exception of
its membership.)
Having said that, I am more than concerned, and have no explanation for
these comments made by U.S. National Security Advisor James Jones, on
February 9, 2009:
Remarks by National Security Adviser Jones at 45th Munich Conference on
Security Policy
Published February 8, 2009
Speaker: James L. Jones
*U.S. National Security Adviser Jones gave these remarks at the 45th Munich
Conference on Security Policy at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof on February 8,
2009.*
Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday.
Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United
States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through
Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain
of command in the National Security Council that exists today.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_munich_conference_on_security_policy.html
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Doc: I am very familiar with the Trilateralists. also the CFR,
Bilderbergwrs, and the Club of Rome. In case you have forgotten those 3.
And you might remember it was Jim Tucker that infiltrated the Bilderberger's
meetings. I worked for LL, remember?
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Doc Holliday
dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote:
And you think China would continue to be humble about it? Even a worm
will turn. And of course you wouldn't have a fucking clue what the
trilateral commission is about; would you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QFXGxw6Tk
Peace,
Doc
On Mar 24, 7:55 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Best bet is to let the chicoms buy as much debt as they can and then
just
rescind it all.
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Doc Holliday
dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote:
Obama's trillions of upcoming debt plus the Fed's new trillions
of additional buy-out of
risky financial debt adds up to TENS OF TRILLIONS more debt a decade
from now is admitted
by all. But what is unexpected is that after all these new
trillions
were announced, the Chinese
ambassador just assured the U.S. publicly that China will continue
to buy U.S. Treasury Bonds
as part of its foreign financial policy. How lucky can Americans
be? An Asian Santa Claus
to help us out of all our difficulties?
Peace,
Doc
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Re: OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army.
WATCH THIS:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw On Mar 25, 5:54 am, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: From: *Travis* Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2009 Subject: OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/obamas-browns... Tuesday, March 24, 2009 OBAMA'S BROWNSHIRTS: We're looking for supporters, We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. FLASHBACK JULY 2, 2008 We are going to grow our foreign service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy, said Obama*. We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. *Barack Hussein herehttp://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/corruption-er... Here it is from Obama's army.. as promised. Now they are bullying and intimidating folks into supporting the bankruptcy and handover of America to our natural enemies. Obama volunteers hunt budget support in Birmingham, Alabama grassroots campaignhttp://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1237709...The Birmingham News (hat tip MQK) *Volunteers fanned out across the Birmingham area and Alabama Saturday to pump up enthusiasm for President Barack Obama's budget proposal in much the same way they did to win over voters during the presidential campaign. * About 30 volunteers in Birmingham canvassed shopping areas and other high-traffic locations to talk about the need for health care reform, an education overhaul and environmentally friendly energy development. *If we don't change these three things in the next 10 to 15 years, America is over as we know it, Chris DeHaven, told the group of volunteers before they went their separate ways. * Obama's plan faces criticism from Republicans and others who say it's too expensive. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report Friday saying Obama's agenda would cause huge budget deficits, *forcing the country to borrow $9.3 trillion in the next decade. * Those who gathered at Kelly Ingram Park in downtown Birmingham were urged to enlist others who share Obama's vision and to stay away from trying to convert naysayers. *We're looking for supporters, said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army. * The volunteers are part of Organizing for America, the same grassroots, national network credited in large part with Obama's quick rise from obscurity to president. Birmingham and 11 other sites statewide were part of a national push this weekend by Organizing for America to trumpet Obama's spending proposal. Across the metro area, volunteers gave their opinions about why Obama's plan is good for the country's future. Then they asked those willing to sign a pledge of support for the budget. Supporters' e-mail addresses and other contact information were collected, to keep people engaged and to recruit more volunteers. Leanne Townsend of Hoover also helped organize Saturday's event. She has been a member of the Obama grassroots network since March 2007. Our group in Birmingham has been very involved, Townsend said. We're still very energetic. We all worked so hard during the campaign. We can't just stop. * *His book *Defeating the Totalitarian Lie*http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-key..Helmar Von Campe. *The main preoccupation of my parents during the Nazi years was to save us children from Nazi indoctrination, says Hilmar von Campe. *At 10 years old, like every other child, he had to enter the Hitler Youth and at 18 he was conscripted into the army. He was a gunner in a tank in the Yugoslavian theatre fighting the Soviet army, became in 1945 a prisoner of war of the Communist Tito government and in the same year staged a sensational escape crossing seven borders. His reports about the Nazi years and the war are a lesson of history as he brings facts unknown to most Americans. He describes why it came about, his own moral responsibility and how his life changed. The Nazi system, like any other totalitarian system, he says, is based on lies. *Lies are at the root of the problem in the world. You can't defeat them with money or armies but only with the truth. Hilmar compares developments in American society and in the world today with what happened in pre-Nazi Germany and warns America to turn away now from the destructive ideological path we are on. * Vus machstu Conscription?http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/11/vus-machstu-c... *Atlas Shrugs: NAZI YOUTH - OBAMA
THE OBAMA DECEPTION~Documentary
WATCH The Obama Deception here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw ~The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order’s plans. It’s not about Left or Right: it’s about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you. Watch the Obama Deception and learn how: Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law. Obama’s handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force. International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government. Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government. The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. The information contained in this film is vital to the future of the Republic and to freedom worldwide. President Barack Obama is only the tool of a larger agenda. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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WATCH The Obama Deception here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people. The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order’s plans. It’s not about Left or Right: it’s about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation. Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you. Watch the Obama Deception and learn how: Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law. Obama’s handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force. International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government. Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government. The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. The information contained in this film is vital to the future of the Republic and to freedom worldwide. President Barack Obama is only the tool of a larger agenda. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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NEW GROUP! Group name: The Obama Deception Movie Forum Description WATCH The Obama Deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you. WATCH The Obama Deception: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you. Public website None Get a promotion box for your website Group address Current web address: http://groups.google.com/group/theobamadeception Current email address: theobamadecept...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
States Rebellion Pending
States Rebellion Pending Walter E. Williams Wednesday, March 25, 2009 Our Colonial ancestors petitioned and pleaded with King George III to get his boot off their necks. He ignored their pleas, and in 1776, they rightfully declared unilateral independence and went to war. Today it's the same story except Congress is the one usurping the rights of the people and the states, making King George's actions look mild in comparison. Our constitutional ignorance -- perhaps contempt, coupled with the fact that we've become a nation of wimps, sissies and supplicants -- has made us easy prey for Washington's tyrannical forces. But that might be changing a bit. There are rumblings of a long overdue re-emergence of Americans' characteristic spirit of rebellion. Eight state legislatures have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and 10th amendments to the U.S. Constitution; they include Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington. There's speculation that they will be joined by Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania. You might ask, Isn't the 10th Amendment that no-good states' rights amendment that Dixie governors, such as George Wallace and Orval Faubus, used to thwart school desegregation and black civil rights? That's the kind of constitutional disrespect and ignorance that big-government proponents, whether they're liberals or conservatives, want you to have. The reason is that they want Washington to have total control over our lives. The Founders tried to limit that power with the 10th Amendment, which reads: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. New Hampshire's 10th Amendment resolution typifies others and, in part, reads: That the several States composing the United States of America, are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to their General (federal) Government; but that, by a compact under the style and title of a Constitution for the United States, and of amendments thereto, they constituted a General Government for special purposes, delegated to that government certain definite powers, reserving, each State to itself, the residuary mass of right to their own self-government; and that whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force. Put simply, these 10th Amendment resolutions insist that the states and their people are the masters and that Congress and the White House are the servants. Put yet another way, Washington is a creature of the states, not the other way around. Congress and the White House will laugh off these state resolutions. State legislatures must take measures that put some teeth into their 10th Amendment resolutions. Congress will simply threaten a state, for example, with a cutoff of highway construction funds if it doesn't obey a congressional mandate, such as those that require seat belt laws or that lower the legal blood-alcohol level to .08 for drivers. States might take a lead explored by Colorado. In 1994, the Colorado Legislature passed a 10th Amendment resolution and later introduced a bill titled State Sovereignty Act. Had the State Sovereignty Act passed both houses of the legislature, it would have required all people liable for any federal tax that's a component of the highway users fund, such as a gasoline tax, to remit those taxes directly to the Colorado Department of Revenue. The money would have been deposited in an escrow account called the Federal Tax Fund and remitted monthly to the IRS, along with a list of payees and respective amounts paid. If Congress imposed sanctions on Colorado for failure to obey an unconstitutional mandate and penalized the state by withholding funds due, say $5 million for highway construction, the State Sovereignty Act would have prohibited the state treasurer from remitting any funds in the escrow account to the IRS. Instead, Colorado would have imposed a $5 million surcharge on the Federal Tax Fund account to continue the highway construction. The eight state legislatures that have enacted 10th Amendment resolutions deserve our praise, but their next step is to give them teeth. http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/03/25/states_rebellion_pending --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Lost Lust
From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/25
Subject: Lost Lust
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Remember these guys? Interesting people
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Quite a guy!!
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Barney Frank embarrasses himself again
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What do these people think will happen when they go into forbidden territory?
Minister: Guide may have led American journalists into North Korea By Hyung-Jin Kim and Kwant-Tae Kim Associated Press Posted: 03/25/2009 07:45:47 AM PDT SEOUL, South Korea --- Two American journalists being held by North Korea may have been led across the border from China by a guide promising them exclusive footage of human trafficking or drug deals, an activist who helped organize their trip said today. The Rev. Chun Ki-won says he repeatedly warned Laura Ling and Euna Lee by phone not to stray into North Korean territory in the days before their March 17 detention. Chun, who said he helped arrange their trip to China to report on North Korean refugees living in border towns, said the reporters kept in close contact, calling him twice daily. They followed his advice to the word, and never mentioned wanting to sneak into North Korea, he said. They didn't tell me about it in advance, he told The Associated Press, showing a reporter e-mail exchanges with Lee. They were not supposed to go there. The guide and a third American, cameraman Mitch Koss, reportedly escaped arrest last week but were detained by Chinese border guards. Koss has left the country, China's Foreign Ministry said Tuesday. His whereabouts Wednesday were unclear. The three journalists work for former Vice President Al Gore's San Francisco-based Current TV. The reporters' detentions come at a sensitive time, with Pyongyang planning to fire a satellite into space in early April. Washington and its allies have warned the North that a launch will draw international sanctions. North Korea has Advertisement assured Washington the Americans are being treated well, the State Department said Tuesday, without providing details about their condition or progress in any negotiations for their release. A South Korean newspaper said the two were undergoing intense interrogation at a military guesthouse in Pyongyang's outskirts for alleged espionage and for crossing the border illegally. The Unification Ministry said conviction on espionage charges carries a punishment of at least five years in prison. Past detentions have required international intervention. In 1996, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, then a congressman, went to North Korea to help secure the release of an American detained for three months on spying charges. In 1994, he helped arrange the freedom of a U.S. soldier whose helicopter had strayed into North Korea. One South Korean who ended up in the North after going for a dip in the Tumen River that divides China and North Korea described weeks of interrogation on accusations of illegally intruding before he was expelled to China. Novelist Kim Ha-gee told the AP he couldn't resist trying to swim to North Korea in 1996, and ended up face-to-face with border guards. Kim said he was taken to a military prison for interrogation he described as physically and verbally abusive, with one investigator kicking him in the side. A day later, he was taken to an inn in the northeastern city of Hoeryong, where agents questioned him about his motives. The atmosphere was not good during the interrogation, and one of investigators kept banging the table, Kim recalled by telephone from the southern city of Busan. He said interrogators seated him on a chair and tied his hands with a belt. The investigators divided up their roles: One play bad cop, the other good cop. The 'bad' investigator threatened me with jail if I continued to demand repatriation to South Korea while the 'good' investigator tried to persuade me to live in Pyongyang by tempting me with new shoes. The North Koreans told Kim, who has a wife and two children in the South, to get married in the North. Kim said he staged a hunger strike for about 10 days. After about 15 days of interrogation, he was sent to China and eventually returned to South Korea. Chun said his heart goes out to the reporters' families, with whom he spoke by telephone during a recent trip to the U.S, describing the conversations as tearful. I feel really sorry for them, he said. I'm sorry for their families. Chun, who heads the Seoul-based Durihana Mission, a Christian group that helps defectors from North Korea, said the women contacted him about three months ago asking for help organizing a trip to report on North Korean defectors living in Chinese border towns. Ling, Lee and Koss flew to Seoul first to get his help arranging interviews with North Korean defectors in China, he said. The three got into China on March 13 and conducted several interviews with defectors, with Lee calling about twice a day to report on their whereabouts, he said. Their last phone conversation was the morning of March 17. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum
Re: Discussion on new-world-order
Another piece of the puzzle: to wit Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. - Abraham Lincoln: Speech in the Illinois House of Representatives, Dec 18, 1840. To Wit: Posted on Tue, Mar. 17, 2009 Obama's open to military help for Mexico; experts urge caution By MARISA TAYLOR AND NANCY A. YOUSSEF McClatchy Newspapers As the Pentagon eyes a bigger role in Mexico's drug war, the military's efforts to open the door to a new relationship with its southern neighbor risk alienating the Mexican military, which has long had a strained relationship with its counterpart, experts said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has called for improved relations with the Mexican military in response to escalating drug violence along the Mexican border and in Mexico. On Meet the Press earlier this month, the secretary said: I think we are beginning to be in a position to help the Mexicans more than we have in the past. Some of the old biases against cooperation between our militaries and so on, I think, are being set aside. Most experts, however, say any military role should be limited to sharing intelligence or training Mexican troops, and even defense officials privately concede their effort to increase their role in Mexico is confusing Mexicans and even other U.S. agencies. It's a mistake to say that the United States is going to address this problem of security in Mexico by increasing the Pentagon's role, said Armand B. Peschard-Sverdrup, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. It only would perpetuate the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries. During a trip designed to expand U.S. Mexican-military relations, Adm. Michael Mullen, the highest-ranking U.S. military officer, visited the graves of American troops who died during the Mexican-American War just as Gates did during his first visit in August. Although the solemn gesture appeared innocuous, Mexico observers say the visit undercut the military's message that U.S.-Mexican military tensions were a thing of the past. Why remind Mexicans of the war? The Mexican military is already highly suspect of U.S. intentions and the war is still fresh in their minds, Peschard-Sverdrup said. Yes, Mullen was well-intentioned, but he goes to pay homage to Americans who died, not realizing in a sense that he's also reinforcing the concerns that many in Mexico - especially the Mexican military - have that the U.S. military will try to dominate its land once again. Critics said the military also has not helped its efforts with a recent U.S. Joint Forces Command report that concluded that Mexico and Pakistan were the world's two states most likely to fail. It's ridiculous comparing the Mexico situation to Pakistan, said Raul Benitez, a professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico who specializes in military and national security issues. Benitez said the report demonstrated that the military's view of Mexico was black and white and he questioned why the administration chose to send a military official before Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano traveled there. As a result, Mullen became the first administration official to brief President Barack Obama on Mexico. On the Mexican side, the military has taken on an unprecedented role in fighting the drug cartels. President Felipe Calderon has dispatched troops to hot spots throughout the country to try to contain the violence. Drug cartel leaders have hit back with widespread kidnappings, murders and beheadings. The death toll since last year: 7,000. The U.S. has tried to help Mexico contain the violence by launching the Merida Initiative, an anti-crime aid measure that's expected to total $1.4 billion over three years. Under the initiative, the Pentagon is providing five helicopters, a maritime surveillance aircraft and handheld ion scanners, as well as personal protective equipment, rigid hull inflatable boats and night-vision devices. In addition, the Defense Department trained 150 Mexican officers from October 2006 to September 2007. Last year, Mexico and the United States signed an agreement to share intelligence. However, congressional Republicans chastised the Pentagon last week for not making Mexico a bigger priority. Adding to the pressure, the Texas governor called on the administration to send the National Guard or military troops to the border. Last week, Obama said he'd be open to considering such requests, but emphasized that he didn't want to militarize the border region. We're going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they
Re: Discussion on new-world-order
Hey Doc! Did you see the article I posted from the CFR, regarding Jim Jones, and his statement about Kissenger, Berger and Scowcroft?? What are your thoughts (or any other member's take) on such a statement?? == Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today. http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_munich_conference_on_security_policy.html On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Doc Holliday dokholli...@bellsouth.netwrote: Another piece of the puzzle: to wit Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. - Abraham Lincoln: Speech in the Illinois House of Representatives, Dec 18, 1840. To Wit: Posted on Tue, Mar. 17, 2009 Obama's open to military help for Mexico; experts urge caution By MARISA TAYLOR AND NANCY A. YOUSSEF McClatchy Newspapers As the Pentagon eyes a bigger role in Mexico's drug war, the military's efforts to open the door to a new relationship with its southern neighbor risk alienating the Mexican military, which has long had a strained relationship with its counterpart, experts said. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has called for improved relations with the Mexican military in response to escalating drug violence along the Mexican border and in Mexico. On Meet the Press earlier this month, the secretary said: I think we are beginning to be in a position to help the Mexicans more than we have in the past. Some of the old biases against cooperation between our militaries and so on, I think, are being set aside. Most experts, however, say any military role should be limited to sharing intelligence or training Mexican troops, and even defense officials privately concede their effort to increase their role in Mexico is confusing Mexicans and even other U.S. agencies. It's a mistake to say that the United States is going to address this problem of security in Mexico by increasing the Pentagon's role, said Armand B. Peschard-Sverdrup, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. It only would perpetuate the dysfunctional relationship between the two countries. During a trip designed to expand U.S. Mexican-military relations, Adm. Michael Mullen, the highest-ranking U.S. military officer, visited the graves of American troops who died during the Mexican-American War just as Gates did during his first visit in August. Although the solemn gesture appeared innocuous, Mexico observers say the visit undercut the military's message that U.S.-Mexican military tensions were a thing of the past. Why remind Mexicans of the war? The Mexican military is already highly suspect of U.S. intentions and the war is still fresh in their minds, Peschard-Sverdrup said. Yes, Mullen was well-intentioned, but he goes to pay homage to Americans who died, not realizing in a sense that he's also reinforcing the concerns that many in Mexico - especially the Mexican military - have that the U.S. military will try to dominate its land once again. Critics said the military also has not helped its efforts with a recent U.S. Joint Forces Command report that concluded that Mexico and Pakistan were the world's two states most likely to fail. It's ridiculous comparing the Mexico situation to Pakistan, said Raul Benitez, a professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico who specializes in military and national security issues. Benitez said the report demonstrated that the military's view of Mexico was black and white and he questioned why the administration chose to send a military official before Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano traveled there. As a result, Mullen became the first administration official to brief President Barack Obama on Mexico. On the Mexican side, the military has taken on an unprecedented role in fighting the drug cartels. President Felipe Calderon has dispatched troops to hot spots throughout the country to try to contain the violence. Drug cartel leaders have hit back with widespread kidnappings, murders and beheadings. The death toll since last year: 7,000. The U.S. has tried to help Mexico contain the violence by launching the Merida Initiative, an anti-crime aid measure that's expected to total $1.4 billion over three years. Under the initiative, the Pentagon is
Are they nuts?????
March 25, 2009, 9:38 am M.T.A. Increases Fares and Cuts Services By William Neuman AND Jennifer 8. Lee Updated, 11:40 a.m. | The board of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority voted Wednesday morning to enact a series of fare hikes and service cutbacks needed to keep the transit system from going broke. The vote was broken largely into three parts: fare hikes, toll increases and service cutbacks. After hearing from the public and the board members, the board approved each by a vote of 12 to 1. This is your last chance or forever hold your peace, said H. Dale Hemmerdinger, the chairman of the board, right before the final vote. The lone dissenting member in each vote was Norman I. Seabrook, president of the 9500-member New York City Correction Officers Benevolent Association. Board members called the combination of fare increases and slashing bus, subway and commuter rail cuts a disaster but said they could no longer wait for lawmakers in Albany to rescue them. The fare hikes on the subway and buses, including an increase in the base subway and bus fare to $2.50, from $2, will take effect May 31. Commuter rail fares will increase June 1. Tolls on the authoritys bridges and tunnels will also go up, with the increase taking effect in mid-July. The service cuts are far reaching. They include the elimination of 35 bus routes and two subway lines, the W and Z. Off-peak and weekend subway, bus and commuter rail service will also be cut back. The authoritys board had hoped for a different outcome. Gov. David A. Paterson and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver have championed a financial rescue plan for the authority that would have prevented the service cuts and allowed a much smaller fare increase. That plan [pdf], put forth by Richard Ravitch, a former authority chairman, would have funneled new revenues to the authority by creating a new tax on payrolls and tolls on the East River and Harlem River bridges. But several Democrats in the state Senate opposed the bridge tolls and blocked the rescue package. Its truly sad that a few individuals can hold all these brave individuals hostage, Mr. Hemmerdinger said when the meeting started. Officials in Albany have said they still hold out hope that a compromise can be reached in the coming weeks. But the authority said it had to go through with the Wednesday vote to give itself time to plan and implement the fare and service changes. If lawmakers do eventually pass a rescue package, authority officials say they may be able to stop the changes before they take effect. City Room filed blog updates from this mornings meeting, below: 11:15 a.m. | Members of Metropolitan Transportation Authority board have been discussing the fare hikes in advance of the final vote. So far, the wide-ranging discussion from the public and the board members has referenced A.I.G.s $169 million in bonuses, Bernard Madoff and Shakespeares Julius Caesar. Elliot G. Sander, executive director of the M.T.A., acknowledged the burden of a spending binge earlier in the decade, noting that a capital improvements made between 2000 and 2004 were put on a credit card. Those debt payments, combined with the economic crisis, continued to ravage the M.T.A.s budget, he said, noting that M.T.A.s projected real estate tax revenues were already $120 million behind projections so far this year. 10:30 a.m. | The Metropolitan Transportation Authority hearing on the fare hikes has been under way since 9:30 a.m. A vote is expected. Its a true crisis that cannot be solved by ourselves without causing great pain to the riding public, said H. Dale Hemmerdinger, the chairman of the board, at the beginning of the meeting. Then he opened the microphone to a parade of more than a dozen speakers, including City Council members, M.T.A. employees and public transit advocates. David I. Weperin, a city councilman who chairs the Finance Committee, criticized the increases for their burden on the middle class. He pushed for alternative revenue approaches, such as aggressive advertising strategies like increasing rates or selling the space on the back of MetroCards to advertisers. Mr. Weprin urged the agency to look beyond the state government for help. Instead of acting for Albany to act, we should also be pursuing help from the federal government, he said. Others used the opportunity to vent about the broader financial crisis. John Ferretti, a conductor on the No. 1 line who helps publish The Revolutionary Transit Worker bulletin, noted that the M.T.A. was burdened by debt that had been incurred with the encouragement of Wall Street companies. He said the increases would take money out of the pockets of workers to save the funds of parasitic financiers and bankers. Norman Siegel, a longtime activist and civil liberties lawyer, tried to depict the board as out of touch with average New Yorkers, asking, I am curious how many of you use the trains or buses regularly? When some responded, he said, I hope that
Re: A China Owned America. Does China's gifts under the tree mean the streets and soup lines for home owners?
China calls for new reserve currency By Jamil Anderlini in Beijing Published: March 23 2009 12:16 | Last updated: March 24 2009 00:06 China’s central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund. In an essay posted on the People’s Bank of China’s website, Zhou Xiaochuan, the central bank’s governor, said the goal would be to create a reserve currency “that is disconnected from individual nations and is able to remain stable in the long run, thus removing the inherent deficiencies caused by using credit-based national currencies”. Analysts said the proposal was an indication of Beijing’s fears that actions being taken to save the domestic US economy would have a negative impact on China. “This is a clear sign that China, as the largest holder of US dollar financial assets, is concerned about the potential inflationary risk of the US Federal Reserve printing money,” said Qu Hongbin, chief China economist for HSBC. Although Mr Zhou did not mention the US dollar, the essay gave a pointed critique of the current dollar-dominated monetary system. “The outbreak of the [current] crisis and its spillover to the entire world reflected the inherent vulnerabilities and systemic risks in the existing international monetary system,” Mr Zhou wrote. China has little choice but to hold the bulk of its $2,000bn of foreign exchange reserves in US dollars, and this is unlikely to change in the near future. To replace the current system, Mr Zhou suggested expanding the role of special drawing rights, which were introduced by the IMF in 1969 to support the Bretton Woods fixed exchange rate regime but became less relevant once that collapsed in the 1970s. Today, the value of SDRs is based on a basket of four currencies – the US dollar, yen, euro and sterling – and they are used largely as a unit of account by the IMF and some other international organisations. China’s proposal would expand the basket of currencies forming the basis of SDR valuation to all major economies and set up a settlement system between SDRs and other currencies so they could be used in international trade and financial transactions. Countries would entrust a portion of their SDR reserves to the IMF to manage collectively on their behalf and SDRs would gradually replace existing reserve currencies. Mr Zhou said the proposal would require “extraordinary political vision and courage” and acknowledged a debt to John Maynard Keynes, who made a similar suggestion in the 1940s.end snip The Moscow Times » Issue 4105 » Business print At G20, Kremlin to Pitch New Currency 17 March 2009By Ira Iosebashvili / The Moscow TimesThe Kremlin published its priorities Monday for an upcoming meeting of the G20, calling for the creation of a supranational reserve currency to be issued by international institutions as part of a reform of the global financial system. The International Monetary Fund should investigate the possible creation of a new reserve currency, widening the list of reserve currencies or using its already existing Special Drawing Rights, or SDRs, as a superreserve currency accepted by the whole of the international community, the Kremlin said in a statement issued on its web site. The SDR is an international reserve asset, created by the IMF in 1969 to supplement the existing official reserves of member countries. The Kremlin has persistently criticized the dollar's status as the dominant global reserve currency and has lowered its own dollar holdings in the last few years. Both President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin have repeatedly called for the ruble to be used as a regional reserve currency, although the idea has received little support outside of Russia. Analysts said the new Kremlin proposal would elicit little excitement among the G20 members. This is all in the realm of fantasy, said Sergei Perminov, chief strategist at Rye, Man and Gore. There was a situation that resembled what they are talking about. It was called the gold standard, and it ended very badly. Alternatives to the dollar are still hard to find, he said. The Kremlin's call for a common currency is not the first in recent days. Speaking at an economic conference in Astana, Kazakhstan, last week, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed a global currency called the acmetal -- a conflation of the words acme and capital. He also suggested that the Eurasian Economic Community, a loose group of five former Soviet republics including Kazakhstan and Russia, adopt a single noncash currency -- the yevraz -- to insulate itself from the global economic crisis. The suggestions received a lukewarm response from Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Saturday. Nazarbayev's proposal did, however, garner support from at least one prominent source --
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Fair-Housing Fascism
Fair-Housing Fascism by George C. Leef, Posted March 25, 2009 This article originally appeared in the November 2008 edition of Freedom Daily In his recent book, Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldberg argues that most of the “liberal” political agenda is fascistic, in the true meaning of the word. Fascism is a system based on the use of governmental directives to control private property. Whereas communists simply confiscate private property particularly what they call “the means of production” fascists let the owners keep title, but bring their property under increasing government domination through rules and regulations. Goldberg’s indisputable argument is that the same thing is going on in the United States. Liberals hate being called fascists because “fascist” is the epithet they often hurl at those who oppose their authoritarian ideas. Too bad. Let’s be adults and call things by their proper names. Ever since the New Deal, much of U.S. law has been intended to take freedom away from property owners and, in pursuit of notions such as “social justice,” make them subject to numerous political and bureaucratic dictates. Goldberg is right. It’s fascism. One of the areas where this has occurred is in housing. Anyone who sells or rents housing has to obey a host of regulations, including so-called fair-housing statutes, which make it illegal to do anything that could be construed as “discrimination.” If a seller or lessor has any preferences with regard to buyers or tenants, he had better not act on them, or else face serious penalties. I happen to be one of the members of the North Carolina Advisory Commission on Civil Rights, and recently the issue of fair-housing law enforcement came up. The commission was reviewing a report on the relative merits of enforcement by the federal government’s Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and local fair-housing agencies. To the astonishment of at least one other member of the commission, I said that I was philosophically opposed to fair-housing laws, but saw no harm in going ahead with the comparative analysis. That commission member’s astonishment manifested itself in an immediate reply by email in which he likened me to some of history’s most unsavory characters. That was written prior to my explanation why I was opposed. Shoot first, ask questions later if at all. So what is wrong with fair-housing legislation? Isn’t it bad to deny a house or apartment to someone just because of his race or some other characteristic over which he may have no control? How can members of minority groups find decent housing and improve their lives if property owners are free to say, “Your kind ain’t welcome” and turn them away? Like so many other fascist controls, this one is based on both bad philosophy and bad economics. I’ll start with the philosophy. Morality and freedom Many of the worst injustices of history have stemmed from the proclivity of governments to treat some of their citizens differently than they treat others. In medieval times, the trouble was that a very small number of people (the nobility) had rights and privileges no one else had. In modern times, it’s mostly the opposite certain small groups are treated much worse than everyone else. In the United States, that meant that blacks and Indians were not accorded the same rights as other citizens. The guiding star of the “civil-rights” movement going back to the 1920s was that the government should stop playing favorites and respect the equal rights of all. With that idea, I completely concur. All persons have the same set of rights revolving around the fundamental rights of life, liberty, and property. What it boils down to is that each person is entitled to live his life as he chooses, so long as he doesn’t infringe on the equal rights of others. That is why the infamous Jim Crow laws were wrong. They coercively interfered with the rights of blacks and whites alike. Consider the Louisiana law challenged in Plessy v. Ferguson. It required railroad companies to seat black customers only in segregated coaches. That was a violation of the rights of black citizens, who were denied the right to freely contract with another party for accommodations, and also a violation of the rights of railroad owners, who were deprived of freedom of contract regarding their property. Finally, it violated the rights of freedom of association of white customers who may have wanted to ride with blacks. This was fascism predating Mussolini by decades. The element of race was incidental to the moral wrong. Some people were deprived of rights and treated differently by law. It’s wrong to do that on the basis of race, but just as wrong for any other reason. Fair-housing laws suffer from the same defect as Jim Crow. Here’s why. Among the rights everyone has is the right to liberty of contract. Because a contract requires mutual consent, everyone has the right to seek to enter into a contract with another, but it
When it comes to Massachusetts you really can't make this stuff up
Massachusetts Democrats They're not even pretending to care anymore. Sen. Marian Walsh (D-West Roxbury) will take a pay cut after she triggered a firestorm of outrage on Beacon Hill when Gov. Deval Patrick appointed her to a vacant $175,000-a-year job. Walsh plans to take $120,000 a year instead. As if that's any less offensive to the hard-working people of Massachusetts who are struggling just to make ends meet and put food on the table for their families. Only in the deluded minds of the most reality-detached politicians does offering some hack politician a low six-figure, do-nothing job completely atone for the sin of originally offering said hack a high six-figure, do-nothing job. Frankly, I don't know how Massachusetts has managed to keep itself from burning to the ground over the last twelve years with no one filling that crucial position. But, wait. As usual, there's more to the story. Because the first two paragraphs weren't enough of a joke, apparently. Hoping to renew faith in his reformer image, the governor will also announce a public review of salary and benefits of senior managers at quasi-independent agencies, according to an administration source. An image that exists only on the retinas of his most devoted, and Hopenchange-addicted followers, people who actually thought (and, likely still think) they were voting for someone who cares about them. Sound familiar? The Herald disclosed last week that Patrick is pushing hefty $26,000 raises for sheriffs in two low-crime island resorts. The paper also reported that the cash-strapped Turnpike slipped two $100,000 staffers onto its payroll, while failing to lay off any toll takers as the governor had promised. In case you were wondering what it looks like when you try to stuff ten pounds of "reform" into a five pound bag. The move comes as the governor is proposing toll hikes and gas-tax hikes in an effort to pay off the Big Dig debt. Thank God the voters in Massachusetts listened to their intellectually and morally superior overlords on Beacon Hill and voted to keep their income tax in place. Had that ballot question passed, the state would have had no choice but to increase taxes and tolls to make up for the lost... ...um... ...never mind. posted by Bruce | Permalink | Comments (6) | Trackback (0) | HOME So, what do YOU have to say? They're not even pretending to care anymore. Why should they? They own the state. There's no effective opposition anymore. There never will be, either, because they control the voting machines too. Massachusetts is a lost cause. wolfwalker | 03.24.09 - 7:33 pm | # I'm saddened to think that this type of crap is destined for NH eventually. Ross | 03.24.09 - 7:52 pm | # I'll be dead and buried before that cancer is allowed to infect and destroy this state. Bruce | Homepage | 03.24.09 - 7:59 pm | # Why should they? They own the state. There's no effective opposition anymore. There never will be, either, because they control the voting machines too. Massachusetts is a lost cause. I agree. I honestly think there can be no reform in MA. Ever... There is too large a segment of the population that is effectively dependent on gov't services. They would never vote to reduce their own services... Bruce, it's kind of funny. I picked up a game called Supreme Commander 2020. It was put out a few yrs ago before the economic collapse. The plot is eerie. The US dollar collapses and a series of believable global events causes the US to fracture and each state becomes an independent country. It's based on Civilization. I got this game JUST to be NH and just to declare war on MA. Anyhow, fun game. Jon Bibeau | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 7:44 am | # And in other news, New Hampshire just voted to make it illegal to text-message while driving. Because, you know, they don't really mean it when they say "Live free or die"... Jay G. | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 10:09 am | # Hey Mass, not to add fool to the fire, but since it's such a blue state, would it hurt to offload Ohio's useless Democrats, such as Cleveland's own Gerald McFall, or Dennis Kucinich on you guys? Cappy | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 10:44 am | #
THis could get interesting - also check at the bottom for the links of the Lisbon Treaty for the EU
European Union|24.03.2009 Czech Prime Minister Says He'll Quit After Losing Vote of Confidence Groansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Topolanek says he'll step aside The Czech government has collapsed after Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek lost a vote of confidence in parliament. It's unknown what Topolanek's planned resignation will mean for the Czech European Union presidency. It was a close vote. But four renegade Czech lawmakers abandoned Topolanek on Tuesday, March 24, toppling the ruling coalition. It was the fourth time Topolanek had faced a vote of confidence in his two years in office. Topolanek was able to secure only 96 votes in the 200-seat lower house after failing to win over the renegade lawmakers in last-minute talks. Topolanek confirmed that he plans to resign. "I will behave exactly in line with the constitution," Reuters news agency quoted him as saying. The constitution says the government must resign after losing a vote of confidence. Topolaneks right-wing Civic Democrats (ODS) ruled together with the Christian Democrats and the Green party. Yet Topolanek relied on the support of several independent members of parliament, who had defected from the ruling coalition, to give him a majority. EUpresidency uncertain Bildunterschrift: Groansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Czech President Vaclav Klaus will be tasked with finding a successor Czech President Vaclav Klaus will now look for a parliamentarian with enough support to form a new government. If three attempts to form a government fail, early elections will be called. Before the vote, Social Democrats had said they wanted to see Topolanek's government stay on to complete the six-month rotating EU presidency, which the Czech Republic holds until the end of June. Social Democrat chief Jiri Paroubek reiterated that stance after the vote, sayingit was "natural that the government would stay until the end of the EU presidency" on June 30, AFP reported. Topolanek has said his party would like to have early elections this summer. The opposition Social Democrats want elections to be held in autumn. Unusual, but not unprecedented Achange in governmentwould complicate the Czech EU presidency, Topolanek said after the no confidence vote. "I believe it can complicate our negotiating power ... partners in Europe have grown used to us negotiating hard. In this sense it can happen that our position will be weakened," he told reporters. US President Barack Obama is scheduled to visit Prague next week for talks with Czech and European leaders. While the situation of a government changing during its six-month European Union presidency is unusual, it isnt unprecedented. In 1996, Italys center-left coalition under Romano Prodi took over from Lamberto Dini's centre-right government following a legislative election. And in 1993, Denmark began its EU presidency with a change in leadership when Poul Schlueter's conservatives were replaced by Social Democrats under Poul Nyrup Rasmussen. Hungary, Lativa in crisis The Czech Republic has been less affected than some eastern European countries by the global financial crisis. Financial turmoil has brought down leaders in bothHungary and Latvia already this year. Latvia's new prime minister, Valdis Dombrovskis, who was sworn in just a few weeks ago, said on Monday that he might have to ask for a fresh loan from international lenders to see his country through the crisis. Hungary's Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany has offered to step aside to allow someone new to tackle the country's financial problems. The ruling coalition plans to announce a replacement by the end ofthe week. th/nda/ap/dpa/reuters/afp Send us an e-mail|Send|Print More on the topic Share this article What is Social Bookmarking? DW-WORLD.DE DW-WORLD: Reluctant Czech Lawmakers Pass European Treaty The European Union's stalled reform pact, the Lisbon Treaty, has cleared the first hurdle in the Czech Republic's parliament. But the treaty still has plenty of obstacles left before it is approved. (18.02.2009) DW-WORLD: Czech Presidency Considers Extra EU Economic Crisis Summit Germany, France and the Czech presidency of the European Union are calling for EU leaders to hold talks the end of February to coordinate the bloc's response to the economic crisis. (09.02.2009) DW-WORLD: Europe Gets a Taste of Czech Art Hoax and Self-mockery An art installation commissioned by the Czech Republic to mark its EU presidency has caused a scandal for lampooning national stereotypes and embarrassed Prague by turning out to be a hoax by a Czech artist. (14.01.2009) Feedback
Good one - and he does make some very good points
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More buyers' remorse - sort of
*Three Washington Post Columnists, Three Negative Assessments: *Richard Cohen sees many problems in Washington --- and blames them on Nancy Pelosi http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302137.html. It is still early, not even two-thirds of the way through the vaunted 100 days, and we are all admonished not to make judgments or dire predictions. Yet enough has been done so that, without fear that history will someday mock me, I can state that Nancy Pelosi is off to one hell of a start. The president, alas, is a different story. The tale of two political figures was written one day last week when Pelosi went down into the well of the House and pitched the bill to heavily tax the bad people at AIG who received big bonuses. Using the tax code to exact punishment for political reasons is both bad policy and bad law -- why not put gun-shop owners and cigarette manufacturers in the 100 percent bracket? -- but it hurtled through Pelosi's branch of the government with nary a hearing and few discouraging words, and only the mildest suggestion from the president that the bill was really a dumb idea. And that's not the only dumb idea Pelosi has pushed through the House. Anne Applebaum thinks the efforts to reset http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302138.html relations with other nations, notably Russia, are foolish. I do realize that these are early days. The traditional, deadly struggle between the State Department and the National Security Council for influence is only just getting underway, and the president has other things on his mind. But the gift of a reset button, however translated, was a not a good beginning. If this administration thinks it can transform America's relationships with Russia or anyone else with the flick of a switch and a change of rhetoric, it is living in a virtual reality, not a real one. Virtual realities can be fun, but there are almost always penalties for acting as if we lived in one --- especially in foreign affairs. George Will doesn't limit his criticism to Pelosi, or to Hillary Clinton and the State Department. Instead, he argues that both the administration and the Democratically-controlled Congress are ignoring our laws and the Constitution http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302140.html This is but a partial list of recent lawlessness, situational constitutionalism and institutional derangement. Such political malfeasance is pertinent to the financial meltdown as the administration, desperately seeking confidence, tries to stabilize the economy by vastly enlarging government's role in it. (Cohen and Applebaum voted for Obama, Will did not.) Put together, these three assessments are devastating, even though Cohen has not caught on yet to the fact that Obama is not a reformer, and never has been one. Applebaum has the best description of the underlying fault; Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi are not living in the real world, a world in which nations have histories that can not be reset, constitutions and laws that can not be ignored, and financial problems that can not be solved simply by giving more power to the federal officials who did so much to create those problems. One final, sobering thought: We are accustomed to discounting campaign rhetoric, accustomed to assuming that politicians do not believe much of what they say during a campaign. But we must, from time to time, consider the possibility, however unpleasant, that campaigners believe much of what they say. Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi may have believed the attacks they made on George W. Bush, who they depicted as both misinformed and misguided. That would explain why they seem to think that they can simply replace Bush and reset things to make them right. (Jimmy Carter seemed to have a similar misunderstanding when he took office in 1977. During his years as president, he learned he was wrong about some things, for instance, the Soviet threat. But the nation and the world paid a high price for his lessons. ) - 9:08 AM, 24 March 2009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Busy for years with the Stupid tag
Wednesday, March 25, 2009 Obama to Special Olympics: Drop Dead The One is sticking to his guns on limiting the deduction for charitable donations - essentially sticking a finger into the eye of the donor base. QUESTION: Mr. President, are you -- thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. Are you reconsidering your plan to cut the interest rate deduction for mortgages and for charities? And do you regret having proposed that in the first place? OBAMA: No, I think it's -- I think it's the right thing to do, where we've got to make some difficult choices. Here's what we did with respect to tax policy. What we said was that, over the last decade, the average worker, the average family have seen their wages and incomes flat. Even in times where supposedly we were in the middle of an economic boom, as a practical matter, their incomes didn't go up. And so, well, we said, "Let's give them a tax cut. Let's give them some relief, some help, 95 percent of American families." Now, for the top 5 percent, they're the ones who typically saw huge gains in their income. I -- I fall in that category. And what we've said is, for those folks, let's not renew the Bush tax cuts, so let's go back to the rates that existed back in -- during the Clinton era, when wealthy people were still wealthy and doing just fine, and let's look at the -- the level at which people can itemize their deductions. And what we've said is: Let's go back to the rate that existed under Ronald Reagan. People are still going to be able to make charitable contributions. It just means, if you give $100 and you're in this tax bracket, at a certain point, instead of being able to write off 36 percent or 39 percent, you're writing off 28 percent. Now, if it's really a charitable contribution, I'm assuming that that shouldn't be the determining factor as to whether you're giving that $100 to the homeless shelter down the street. And so this provision would affect about 1 percent of the American people. They would still get deductions. It's just that they wouldn't be able to write off 39 percent. In that sense, what it would do is it would equalize -- when I give $100, I'd get the same amount of deduction as when some -- a bus driver who's making $50,000 a year, or $40,000 a year, gives that same $100. Right now, he gets 28 percent -- he gets to write off 28 percent. I get to write off 39 percent. I don't think that's fair. So I think this was a good idea. I think it is a realistic way for us to raise some revenue from people who've benefited enormously over the last several years. Breathtaking. The Ego-in-Chief is essentially saying he knows better than the charities themselves how to raise money and how they will be affected by his tax increase on their donor base. He's saying he knows the charity large donor bases better than the charity fund raisers who know their largest donors personally. What the EiC apparently hasn't figured out is that although that provision affects about 1 percent of the American people, that 1 percent of donors represents a HELL of a lot more than 1 percent of charitable donations. The difference comes directly out of much needed programs for the widows, orphans, the poor, the environment, and a whole host of causes... and yes, the Special Olympics. Atlas to EiC: I'm getting some mighty twitchy shoulder muscles, if you know what I'm saying. Splash, out Jason (It's gonna be a busy for years for the 'stupid' tag, I'm afraid.) Labels: economy, Obama, stupid, taxes [CLICK HERE TO ENTER THE NET] posted by Jason : 08:31 EST, Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2 transmissions this net Comments: Breathtaking indeed. Another battle in the war on prosperity, aka class warfare. So Oboring thinks 'rich' folks won't change their behavior, huh? Anyone get the tag number from the turnip truck this moron fell off of? # posted by Jay Season : 9:39 AM To heck with going "John Galt", I wanna know when it is time to go "Jack Bauer". # posted by I R A Darth Aggie : 10:34 AM Post a Comment
Re: This will be interesting to see what is going to happen in California
CA could resolve their unemployment problem by simply deporting illegal alien/criminal/invaders either enforce your laws or stop whining On Mar 25, 10:16 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: State's economy to see longer recession By Pete Carey mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Mercury News mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Posted: 03/25/2009 01:00:00 AM PDT Economic crisis * Full coverage of the economic crisis, including special reports and databases http://www.mercurynews.com/bailout Databases * UPDATED: See if your California company is planning layoffs in 2009 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11240039 * Unemployment rate by county http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11560702 California is in for a lengthy downturn, with the jobless rate hitting nearly 12 percent this year and next, one of the state's most respected economic forecasting groups warned Tuesday. The state's recession will be deeper and longer than we previously thought, economists with UCLA's Anderson Forecast predicted. The outlook for the state's faltering economy is bad on several fronts, the economists said: Taxable sales will decline this year, personal income will contract slightly, and unemployment is only going to get worse. A return to growth won't come until next year. California has been hit harder than many states during the national downturn, starting with a huge wave of foreclosures spreading to other sectors of the economy and leading to an unemployment rate among the nation's highest. And Silicon Valley hasn't escaped, as a sharp drop in exports has begun to hit the export-heavy region's tech companies. The latest quarterly report from Anderson offers little good news and is somewhat grimmer on California's prospects than the panel's last two quarterly forecasts. But it sees a break in the downward trend by the end of the year and a slow economic recovery beginning in 2010. The forecasters said the state's unemployment rate will reach 11.7 percent this fall, and 11.9 percent in the second quarter of 2010. Unemployment will average 11 percent this year and 11.7 percent next year, they said. A separate study by Advertisement the University of the Pacific, also released Tuesday, predicted the jobless rate will reach 12 percent by the end of this year, with double-digit unemployment continuing through 2011. California is in the midst of its worst recession since the 1930s, said Jeff Michael, director of University of the Pacific's Business Forecasting Center. The state will lose nearly a million jobs before it ends, and no area of the economy is being spared. Behind the state's troubles is a collapse in consumer demand that began last fall, said Jerry Nickelsburg, a UCLA economist. We had a housing downturn for two years and we didn't have a recession, he said. But the events of September's market crash and dire warnings from government officials created an enormous amount of fear in American households that caused consumer demand to contract, Nickelsburg said. We need to have a good financial sector, but we need to get it without scaring everybody half to death, added Edward Leamer, UCLA forecast director. Nationally, a tepid recovery is forecast to begin in 2010, though the U.S. economy should bottom out sometime in the fall, said UCLA economist David Shulman. The UCLA panel said that even with the economy http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?cont... growing in 2011, it won't generate enough jobs to drive the unemployment rate below double digits until 2012. The toll of the bubble and recession in California so far: # Nearly 280,000 jobs were lost in January alone, a majority most likely in construction and manufacturing. # All appreciation in home prices since early 2004 has been lost to the bursting of the housing bubble. # Exports have crashed, particularly of durable manufactured goods --- that is, goods that last like cars, machinery, appliances, computers and electronics. Exports are now lower than at any time since the beginning of 2006, and most of California's trading partners are also in recession. # Commercial construction has sharply dropped, as developers and companies have canceled projects because of the weak economy or have been unable to secure financing because of banks' reluctance to lend. One key to revival is the sector that started the economic tailspin: housing. Though housing markets have yet to bottom out, by this fall, California's housing industry will be building fewer houses than its growing
Re: This will be interesting to see what is going to happen in California
Obama is right behond Pelosi in her attempt to stop ICE raids she says they're unAmerican some people need killin' On Mar 25, 12:46 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Exactly. Why else do you have the laws on the books. If something is illegal either enforce it or get rid of the law. plainolamerican wrote: CA could resolve their unemployment problem by simply deporting illegal alien/criminal/invaders either enforce your laws or stop whining On Mar 25, 10:16 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: State's economy to see longer recession By Pete Carey mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Mercury News mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Posted: 03/25/2009 01:00:00 AM PDT Economic crisis * Full coverage of the economic crisis, including special reports and databases http://www.mercurynews.com/bailout Databases * UPDATED: See if your California company is planning layoffs in 2009 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11240039 * Unemployment rate by county http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11560702 California is in for a lengthy downturn, with the jobless rate hitting nearly 12 percent this year and next, one of the state's most respected economic forecasting groups warned Tuesday. The state's recession will be deeper and longer than we previously thought, economists with UCLA's Anderson Forecast predicted. The outlook for the state's faltering economy is bad on several fronts, the economists said: Taxable sales will decline this year, personal income will contract slightly, and unemployment is only going to get worse. A return to growth won't come until next year. California has been hit harder than many states during the national downturn, starting with a huge wave of foreclosures spreading to other sectors of the economy and leading to an unemployment rate among the nation's highest. And Silicon Valley hasn't escaped, as a sharp drop in exports has begun to hit the export-heavy region's tech companies. The latest quarterly report from Anderson offers little good news and is somewhat grimmer on California's prospects than the panel's last two quarterly forecasts. But it sees a break in the downward trend by the end of the year and a slow economic recovery beginning in 2010. The forecasters said the state's unemployment rate will reach 11.7 percent this fall, and 11.9 percent in the second quarter of 2010. Unemployment will average 11 percent this year and 11.7 percent next year, they said. A separate study by Advertisement the University of the Pacific, also released Tuesday, predicted the jobless rate will reach 12 percent by the end of this year, with double-digit unemployment continuing through 2011. California is in the midst of its worst recession since the 1930s, said Jeff Michael, director of University of the Pacific's Business Forecasting Center. The state will lose nearly a million jobs before it ends, and no area of the economy is being spared. Behind the state's troubles is a collapse in consumer demand that began last fall, said Jerry Nickelsburg, a UCLA economist. We had a housing downturn for two years and we didn't have a recession, he said. But the events of September's market crash and dire warnings from government officials created an enormous amount of fear in American households that caused consumer demand to contract, Nickelsburg said. We need to have a good financial sector, but we need to get it without scaring everybody half to death, added Edward Leamer, UCLA forecast director. Nationally, a tepid recovery is forecast to begin in 2010, though the U.S. economy should bottom out sometime in the fall, said UCLA economist David Shulman. The UCLA panel said that even with the economy http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?cont... growing in 2011, it won't generate enough jobs to drive the unemployment rate below double digits until 2012. The toll of the bubble and recession in California so far: # Nearly 280,000 jobs were lost in January alone, a majority most likely in construction and manufacturing. # All appreciation in home prices since early 2004 has been lost to the bursting of the housing bubble. # Exports have crashed, particularly of durable manufactured goods --- that is, goods that last like cars, machinery, appliances, computers and electronics. Exports are now lower than at any time since the beginning of 2006, and most of California's trading partners are also in recession. # Commercial
Re: This will be interesting to see what is going to happen in California
Exactly. Why else do you have the laws on the books. If something is illegal either enforce it or get rid of the law. plainolamerican wrote: CA could resolve their unemployment problem by simply deporting illegal alien/criminal/invaders either enforce your laws or stop whining On Mar 25, 10:16 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: State's economy to see longer recession By Pete Carey mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Mercury News mailto:pca...@mercurynews.com?subject=san%20jose%20mercury%20news:%20State%27s%20economy%20to%20see%20longer%20recession Posted: 03/25/2009 01:00:00 AM PDT Economic crisis * Full coverage of the economic crisis, including special reports and databases http://www.mercurynews.com/bailout Databases * UPDATED: See if your California company is planning layoffs in 2009 http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11240039 * Unemployment rate by county http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11560702 California is in for a lengthy downturn, with the jobless rate hitting nearly 12 percent this year and next, one of the state's most respected economic forecasting groups warned Tuesday. The state's recession will be deeper and longer than we previously thought, economists with UCLA's Anderson Forecast predicted. The outlook for the state's faltering economy is bad on several fronts, the economists said: Taxable sales will decline this year, personal income will contract slightly, and unemployment is only going to get worse. A return to growth won't come until next year. California has been hit harder than many states during the national downturn, starting with a huge wave of foreclosures spreading to other sectors of the economy and leading to an unemployment rate among the nation's highest. And Silicon Valley hasn't escaped, as a sharp drop in exports has begun to hit the export-heavy region's tech companies. The latest quarterly report from Anderson offers little good news and is somewhat grimmer on California's prospects than the panel's last two quarterly forecasts. But it sees a break in the downward trend by the end of the year and a slow economic recovery beginning in 2010. The forecasters said the state's unemployment rate will reach 11.7 percent this fall, and 11.9 percent in the second quarter of 2010. Unemployment will average 11 percent this year and 11.7 percent next year, they said. A separate study by Advertisement the University of the Pacific, also released Tuesday, predicted the jobless rate will reach 12 percent by the end of this year, with double-digit unemployment continuing through 2011. California is in the midst of its worst recession since the 1930s, said Jeff Michael, director of University of the Pacific's Business Forecasting Center. The state will lose nearly a million jobs before it ends, and no area of the economy is being spared. Behind the state's troubles is a collapse in consumer demand that began last fall, said Jerry Nickelsburg, a UCLA economist. We had a housing downturn for two years and we didn't have a recession, he said. But the events of September's market crash and dire warnings from government officials created an enormous amount of fear in American households that caused consumer demand to contract, Nickelsburg said. We need to have a good financial sector, but we need to get it without scaring everybody half to death, added Edward Leamer, UCLA forecast director. Nationally, a tepid recovery is forecast to begin in 2010, though the U.S. economy should bottom out sometime in the fall, said UCLA economist David Shulman. The UCLA panel said that even with the economy http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?cont... growing in 2011, it won't generate enough jobs to drive the unemployment rate below double digits until 2012. The toll of the bubble and recession in California so far: # Nearly 280,000 jobs were lost in January alone, a majority most likely in construction and manufacturing. # All appreciation in home prices since early 2004 has been lost to the bursting of the housing bubble. # Exports have crashed, particularly of durable manufactured goods --- that is, goods that last like cars, machinery, appliances, computers and electronics. Exports are now lower than at any time since the beginning of 2006, and most of California's trading partners are also in recession. # Commercial construction has sharply dropped, as developers and companies have canceled projects because of the weak economy or have been unable to secure financing because of banks' reluctance to lend. One key to revival is the sector that started the economic tailspin:
Re: It's Time to Panic
travis, you are right, congress DOES deserve MOST of the blame...but not THIS Congress, or even the last Rpublican Congress, but the Congress of around 1913, which 'legitimized' the Federal Reserve Bank. It is MY understanding that the Federal reserve Bank was set up to AVOID economic crashes. forget the fact that shortly AFTER it was set up, the FIRST crash happened. IMO, the ONLY way out of this crisis is through return to a monetary system BACKED by PHYSICAL assets, not debt. On Mar 24, 9:18 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: congress gets 98% of the blame. aand the whole mess has been mismanages from the getgo. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: You are correct! Were the tax on capital gains removed, corporate taxes abolished and the tax on dividends expunged we would see manufacturing swarm into this country. After all; look to our southern states. They are dotted with foreign car manufacturers as it is much cheaper to produce a product as close to the consumer as possible. Those pesky shipping costs reduce a corporations bottom line. Yet; since we have the second highest corporate tax rates in the world we have established an unfriendly manufacturing environment. These things are ignored by Barry and his administration prompting my conclusion that he must want to destroy this economy. Still; good points all. I would only point out that Jimmy, the Carter didn't bury the economy overnight. Obama is just getting started. Thanks for the input... Jim On Mar 24, 7:37 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting perspective, and time will tell if you are correct.Or not.. I would point out, that all of us have lived in worse timesSee Jimma Carter, when inflation was in double digits, when interest rates, (including the prime rate) was in double digits, and unemployment was in double digits. None of that has happened to date, even with wacko left, socialist-elitist extremists at the helm.. Nope, I don't think we are there yet. One nasty little dirty bomb, or another plane into a skyscraper, and watch everyone forget the economic debacle going on right now. Just as important, if the government wanted to create a dynamo economy, all they would have to do, is get rid of the capital gains taxes, and adopt the Fair Tax Amendment/Legislation.You would see the American economy thrive, and the dollar whip the crap out of the Euro in a matter of hours. On Mar 24, 8:27 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: That tectonic tremble you felt yesterday was the nuclear option employed by the Federal Reserve in their latest attempt to save our economy. Not bloody likely mate! Here’s the funny part, at least from my QWERTY keyboard. According to my watch, Mickey’s big hand said we began a depression about ten minutes ago. So… welcome to it folks; the last one standing needs to turn the lights out. Now I know there are those doubting Thomases’s out there who, “from behind their rose colored glasses” might point out the lack of food lines, tent cities, and Wall Street window jumpers. To that end grasshopper I would countenance patience; for it will come. You see; what we’ve got here is a failure to communicate or to understand the most basic of economic principals. In November of 2008 this juggernaut to ruin might have been assuaged. Yet; it is far, far too late for that now. The depression upon us doesn’t look like a depression; “yet” because the Fed keeps printing money and Treasury tax cheat Tim, “A.K.A. Eddie Haskell” keeps flooding insolvent banks with boatloads of money, hot off the presses. Even China smells rat and has halted the buying of our debt; causing the Federal Reserve to monetize our ballooning deficit. In English that means; the treasury gives ink and paper to the Federal Reserve. Then, the minions of Ben Bernake use those supplies to print $trillions of dollars. Now…stay with me here; after the Fed dries these newly printed bills on huge clotheslines they bundle them up and ship them off to the treasury, ostensibly to purchase our expanding debt and keep Obama Inc. in business. To date the Federal Reserve has added about $10 Trillion dollars to its balance sheet or to simplify; they are robbing Peter to pay Paul and as everyone knows that results in a sore Peter. Hey; you’d be mad too! Still; that’s not the best part. Eddie Haskell, “A.K.A. Turbo Tax Tim” has unveiled his plan to remove the toxic assets on Wall Street. At the center of this scam is his, “public/private” partnership to purchase these assets and make the banking industry whole again. Timmy intends to, “loan” companies up to one $trillion dollars to purchase these dog derivatives, yet;
Re: It's Time to Panic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g1UtFDytfkfeature=related On Mar 25, 1:46 pm, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.com wrote: travis, you are right, congress DOES deserve MOST of the blame...but not THIS Congress, or even the last Rpublican Congress, but the Congress of around 1913, which 'legitimized' the Federal Reserve Bank. It is MY understanding that the Federal reserve Bank was set up to AVOID economic crashes. forget the fact that shortly AFTER it was set up, the FIRST crash happened. IMO, the ONLY way out of this crisis is through return to a monetary system BACKED by PHYSICAL assets, not debt. On Mar 24, 9:18 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: congress gets 98% of the blame. aand the whole mess has been mismanages from the getgo. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: You are correct! Were the tax on capital gains removed, corporate taxes abolished and the tax on dividends expunged we would see manufacturing swarm into this country. After all; look to our southern states. They are dotted with foreign car manufacturers as it is much cheaper to produce a product as close to the consumer as possible. Those pesky shipping costs reduce a corporations bottom line. Yet; since we have the second highest corporate tax rates in the world we have established an unfriendly manufacturing environment. These things are ignored by Barry and his administration prompting my conclusion that he must want to destroy this economy. Still; good points all. I would only point out that Jimmy, the Carter didn't bury the economy overnight. Obama is just getting started. Thanks for the input... Jim On Mar 24, 7:37 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting perspective, and time will tell if you are correct.Or not.. I would point out, that all of us have lived in worse timesSee Jimma Carter, when inflation was in double digits, when interest rates, (including the prime rate) was in double digits, and unemployment was in double digits. None of that has happened to date, even with wacko left, socialist-elitist extremists at the helm.. Nope, I don't think we are there yet. One nasty little dirty bomb, or another plane into a skyscraper, and watch everyone forget the economic debacle going on right now. Just as important, if the government wanted to create a dynamo economy, all they would have to do, is get rid of the capital gains taxes, and adopt the Fair Tax Amendment/Legislation.You would see the American economy thrive, and the dollar whip the crap out of the Euro in a matter of hours. On Mar 24, 8:27 pm, Jim Willis conservativespringfi...@gmail.com wrote: That tectonic tremble you felt yesterday was the nuclear option employed by the Federal Reserve in their latest attempt to save our economy. Not bloody likely mate! Here’s the funny part, at least from my QWERTY keyboard. According to my watch, Mickey’s big hand said we began a depression about ten minutes ago. So… welcome to it folks; the last one standing needs to turn the lights out. Now I know there are those doubting Thomases’s out there who, “from behind their rose colored glasses” might point out the lack of food lines, tent cities, and Wall Street window jumpers. To that end grasshopper I would countenance patience; for it will come. You see; what we’ve got here is a failure to communicate or to understand the most basic of economic principals. In November of 2008 this juggernaut to ruin might have been assuaged. Yet; it is far, far too late for that now. The depression upon us doesn’t look like a depression; “yet” because the Fed keeps printing money and Treasury tax cheat Tim, “A.K.A. Eddie Haskell” keeps flooding insolvent banks with boatloads of money, hot off the presses. Even China smells rat and has halted the buying of our debt; causing the Federal Reserve to monetize our ballooning deficit. In English that means; the treasury gives ink and paper to the Federal Reserve. Then, the minions of Ben Bernake use those supplies to print $trillions of dollars. Now…stay with me here; after the Fed dries these newly printed bills on huge clotheslines they bundle them up and ship them off to the treasury, ostensibly to purchase our expanding debt and keep Obama Inc. in business. To date the Federal Reserve has added about $10 Trillion dollars to its balance sheet or to simplify; they are robbing Peter to pay Paul and as everyone knows that results in a sore Peter. Hey; you’d be mad too! Still; that’s not the best part. Eddie Haskell, “A.K.A. Turbo Tax Tim” has unveiled his plan to remove the toxic assets on Wall Street. At the center of this scam is his,
Congresswoman congrats Gators
Corrine Brown Congratulates the Florida Gators! Good job America! Keep voting Democrat I am sure people like Mrs. Brown will take good care of us! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2uQ7Fg_Ukfeature=player_embedded --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A message from a Palestinian Professor
to some of the thug on the American Left... We have had some of these posters on this forum... The Professor is right in that they are about promoting the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence.. And of course all who oppose them are called war-mongers that they see when they look into a mirror... http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/03/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-agenda.php What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the “occupation” as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel. Many of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas officials I talk to in the context of my work as a journalist sound much more pragmatic than most of the anti-Israel, “pro-Palestinian” folks on the campuses. Over the past 15 years, much has been written and said about the fact that Palestinian school textbooks don’t promote peace and coexistence and that the Palestinian media often publishes anti-Israel material. While this may be true, there is no ignoring the fact that the anti- Israel campaign on U.S. campuses is not less dangerous. What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CHANGE!
I'll keep my guns and money and you keep the change. On Mar 25, 2:43 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: CHANGE.gif 190KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: More buyers' remorse - sort of
Obama is different than Carter and his voters have other incentives- his race and class hatreds building up. I think even wealthy Democrats feel being a Liberal is a badge of honor that covers a multitude of sins and omissions- and ignorance. They will stick to Obama like they stuck to Clinton and will give him two terms out of pity because the economy, foreign policy, basic issues and rights are so effed up- and he's too bright to fail, they think. It will take a great rude awakening to garner back votes for Republicans/ Conservatives. Most of the younger voters have no notion of what constitutes a Conservative because they haven't seen it or lived it. On Mar 25, 12:14�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: *Three Washington Post Columnists, Three Negative Assessments: �*Richard Cohen sees many problems in Washington --- and blames them on Nancy Pelosi http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR200 � � It is still early, not even two-thirds of the way through the � � vaunted 100 days, and we are all admonished not to make judgments or � � dire predictions. �Yet enough has been done so that, without fear � � that history will someday mock me, I can state that Nancy Pelosi is � � off to one hell of a start. �The president, alas, is a different story. � � The tale of two political figures was written one day last week when � � Pelosi went down into the well of the House and pitched the bill to � � heavily tax the bad people at AIG who received big bonuses. �Using � � the tax code to exact punishment for political reasons is both bad � � policy and bad law -- why not put gun-shop owners and cigarette � � manufacturers in the 100 percent bracket? -- but it hurtled through � � Pelosi's branch of the government with nary a hearing and few � � discouraging words, and only the mildest suggestion from the � � president that the bill was really a dumb idea. And that's not the only dumb idea Pelosi has pushed through the House. Anne Applebaum thinks the efforts to reset http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR200... relations with other nations, notably Russia, are foolish. � � I do realize that these are early days. �The traditional, deadly � � struggle between the State Department and the National Security � � Council for influence is only just getting underway, and the � � president has other things on his mind. �But the gift of a reset � � button, however translated, was a not a good beginning. �If this � � administration thinks it can transform America's relationships with � � Russia or anyone else with the flick of a switch and a change of � � rhetoric, it is living in a virtual reality, not a real one. Virtual realities can be fun, but there are almost always penalties for acting as if we lived in one --- especially in foreign affairs. George Will doesn't limit his criticism to Pelosi, or to Hillary Clinton and the State Department. � Instead, he argues that both the administration and the Democratically-controlled Congress are ignoring our laws and the Constitution http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR200... � � This is but a partial list of recent lawlessness, situational � � constitutionalism and institutional derangement. �Such political � � malfeasance is pertinent to the financial meltdown as the � � administration, desperately seeking confidence, tries to stabilize � � the economy by vastly enlarging government's role in it. (Cohen and Applebaum voted for Obama, Will did not.) Put together, these three assessments are devastating, even though Cohen has not caught on yet to the fact that Obama is not a reformer, and never has been one. �Applebaum has the best description of the underlying fault; Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi are not living in the real world, a world in which nations have histories that can not be reset, constitutions and laws that can not be ignored, and financial problems that can not be solved simply by giving more power to the federal officials who did so much to create those problems. One final, sobering thought: �We are accustomed to discounting campaign rhetoric, accustomed to assuming that politicians do not believe much of what they say during a campaign. �But we must, from time to time, consider the possibility, however unpleasant, that campaigners believe much of what they say. �Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi may have believed the attacks they made on George W. Bush, who they depicted as both misinformed and misguided. �That would explain why they seem to think that they can simply replace Bush and reset things to make them right. (Jimmy Carter seemed to have a similar misunderstanding when he took office in 1977. �During his years as president, he learned he was wrong about some things, for instance, the Soviet threat. �But the nation and the world paid a high price for his lessons. ) - 9:08 AM, 24 March 2009
Re: Congresswoman congrats Gators
UhmI haven't opened the link, but I am almost positive I know what this is, (someone sent it to me by e-mail a couple of days ago) and I am not only speechless, I am just downright embarassed. Go Gators!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: Corrine Brown Congratulates the Florida Gators! Good job America! Keep voting Democrat I am sure people like Mrs. Brown will take good care of us! ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2uQ7Fg_Ukfeature=player_embedded ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- inline: Gator-HeadAnimate.gif
Re: CHANGE!
LOL!! That's great CW!! Thanks for sharing!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A message from a Palestinian Professor
I think there was/is anti-Semitism in America because Jewish immigrants were such a success. Everywhere and about everything! Then, the Christians had a bone to pick for centuries. My (former) Liberal friends are quite artful at smothering their anti-Semitism socially because they need Jews to defend them in Court, donate money to their causes and charities, teach them and their children, increase their wealth, so on an so forth. I wrote a younger man for several years and was sad when he gave up on the Palestinians but after a while I have given up on them also- unlike my (former) Liberal friends who consider them victims just like the Blacks in America. And Hillary has now decided we are the reason for drug cartels in Mexico. Amazing! On Mar 25, 2:49 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: to some of the thug on the American Left... We have had some of these posters on this forum... The Professor is right in that they are about promoting the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence.. And of course all who oppose them are called war-mongers that they see when they look into a mirror... http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/03/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-a... What is happening on the U.S. campuses is not about supporting the Palestinians as much as it is about promoting hatred for the Jewish state. It is not really about ending the “occupation” as much as it is about ending the existence of Israel. Many of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas officials I talk to in the context of my work as a journalist sound much more pragmatic than most of the anti-Israel, “pro-Palestinian” folks on the campuses. Over the past 15 years, much has been written and said about the fact that Palestinian school textbooks don’t promote peace and coexistence and that the Palestinian media often publishes anti-Israel material. While this may be true, there is no ignoring the fact that the anti- Israel campaign on U.S. campuses is not less dangerous. What is happening on these campuses is not in the frame of freedom of speech. Instead, it is the freedom to disseminate hatred and violence. As such, we should not be surprised if the next generation of jihadists comes not from the Gaza Strip or the mountains and mosques of Pakistan and Afghanistan, but from university campuses across the U.S. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Even Time noticed Obama's Clintonian redefinitions, just like 1984
Just as Clinton COULD not have had sex due to an unconventional definition of is, Obama's deficit spending is to justified by redefining recovery... Transparent this is not... http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/obama-word-games-the-meaning-of-recovery/ But last night, Obama adopted a different meaning for the word. Suddenly, recovery did not just mean an end to the immediate recession. The budget I submitted to Congress will build our economic recovery on a stronger foundation so that we don't face another crisis like this 10 or 20 years from now, he said in a sentence so difficult to unpack that it reads as if it had been written by lawyers. (Does he mean build upon the recovery? Or build under the recovery?) Later, he completed the transformation with this line: That's why this budget is inseparable from this recovery: because it is what lays the foundation for a secure and lasting prosperity. Suddenly the time horizon had shifted. Recovery now meant the nation's long-term economic and fiscal stability. As politics, it was a masterful move, but as a practical matter it would surely make George Orwell wince. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CHANGE!
The teleprompter must be off to the left? Last night they went with a 52 plasma screen in the center so Obama could remember his lines for a press conference (!) and try to look the lens of a camera in the eye and Americans would think they had a President who looked like he was looking them in the eye but really, he was looking at the lens of a camera. On Mar 25, 2:43�pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: �CHANGE.gif 190KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Catholic Notre Dame Will Award Pro-Abortion Obama an Honorary Law Degree
*Subject:* RE: Catholic Notre Dame Will Award Pro-Abortion Obama an Honorary Law Degree Deacons and Brothers in Formation, Here is a great example of a hero of our Church. This morning after daily Mass Father Cooney read this letter and I felt moved to share it with all of you. This Bishop is unwilling to stand and be a part of something that is clearly against our faith. Please join me in supporting Bishop John D'Arcy for the fortitude and wisdom he is showing in making this stand. Clearly a David vs. Goliath scenario, but he is not backing down. I am also trying to track down Mary Ann Glendon, from the Bishop's statement, to give her support! We all could take a page from Bishop D'Arcy's book, and stand up when we see clearly when the teachings of the Catholic Church are being ignored or disregarded. I know I will! Through the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Joe Below is the link to the letter Bishop D'Arcy has written...my prayers are with him! http://www.diocesefwsb.org/COMMUNICATIONS/statements.htm Here is a copy of his letter: Concerning President Barack Obama speaking at Notre Dame graduation, receiving honorary law degree March 24, 2009 On Friday, March 21, Father John Jenkins, CSC, phoned to inform me that President Obama had accepted his invitation to speak to the graduating class at Notre Dame and receive an honorary degree. We spoke shortly before the announcement was made public at the White House press briefing. It was the first time that I had been informed that Notre Dame had issued this invitation. President Obama has recently reaffirmed, and has now placed in public policy, his long-stated unwillingness to hold human life as sacred. While claiming to separate politics from science, he has in fact separated science from ethics and has brought the American government, for the first time in history, into supporting direct destruction of innocent human life. This will be the 25th Notre Dame graduation during my time as bishop. After much prayer, I have decided not to attend the graduation. I wish no disrespect to our president, I pray for him and wish him well. I have always revered the Office of the Presidency. But a bishop must teach the Catholic faith “in season and out of season,” and he teaches not only by his words — but by his actions. My decision is not an attack on anyone, but is in defense of the truth about human life. I have in mind also the statement of the U.S. Catholic Bishops in 2004. “The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions.” Indeed, the measure of any Catholic institution is not only what it stands for, but also what it will not stand for. I have spoken with Professor Mary Ann Glendon, who is to receive the Laetare Medal. I have known her for many years and hold her in high esteem. We are both teachers, but in different ways. I have encouraged her to accept this award and take the opportunity such an award gives her to teach. Even as I continue to ponder in prayer these events, which many have found shocking, so must Notre Dame. Indeed, as a Catholic University, Notre Dame must ask itself, if by this decision it has chosen prestige over truth. Tomorrow, we celebrate as Catholics the moment when our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, became a child in the womb of his most holy mother. Let us ask Our Lady to intercede for the university named in her honor, that it may recommit itself to the primacy of truth over prestige. Bishop John Michael D'Arcy * * *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2009 6:24 PM *To:* ; *Subject:* Catholic Notre Dame Will Award Pro-Abortion Obama an Honorary Law Degree *Here's a couple of articles, that will make you sick. What is this world coming to?* *If you want to read the full article, the website is below each paragraph...* *Catholic Notre Dame Will Award Pro-Abortion Obama an Honorary Law Degreehttp://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45453 (CNSNews.com) *- The University of Notre Dame announced on Friday that it will award President Barack Obama an honorary law degree and that Obama will give the principal address at the university’s May 17th commencement ceremony. Obama supports abortion on demand, government funding of abortion, government funding of stem cell research that kills human embryos, legally granting same-sex unions all the rights and privileges of marriage, and repealing the federal Defense of Marriage Act. *http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45453* *Undercover Agent Used Passport Obtained With Fraudulent IDs to Pass Through Security http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45333 (CNSNews.com)* – Carrying a fake New York birth certificate and a phony Florida driver’s license, an investigator walked into a Maryland post office in December to
Re: Even Time noticed Obama's Clintonian redefinitions, just like 1984
And persistence translated to patience by MSM. Obama needs two days, we now know, to figure out what he is talking about! :-) On Mar 25, 3:36�pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Just as Clinton COULD not have had sex due to an unconventional definition of is, Obama's deficit spending is to justified by redefining recovery... �Transparent this is not... http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/03/25/obama-word-games-the-meani... But last night, Obama adopted a different meaning for the word. Suddenly, recovery did not just mean an end to the immediate recession. The budget I submitted to Congress will build our economic recovery on a stronger foundation so that we don't face another crisis like this 10 or 20 years from now, he said in a sentence so difficult to unpack that it reads as if it had been written by lawyers. (Does he mean build upon the recovery? Or build under the recovery?) Later, he completed the transformation with this line: That's why this budget is inseparable from this recovery: because it is what lays the foundation for a secure and lasting prosperity. Suddenly the time horizon had shifted. Recovery now meant the nation's long-term economic and fiscal stability. As politics, it was a masterful move, but as a practical matter it would surely make George Orwell wince. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Mark Levin's Tyranny and Liberty
From: Travis Note: Tyranny and Liberty Is #1 on amazon.com's bestseller list -- From: Mike Dougherty Subject: Mark Levin's Tyranny and Liberty Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, This book is getting a lot of attention. Mr. Levin's radio show, when I get a chance to hear it, is just a gem. It's so hard to get, I'm tempted to be a subscription member. He's a short bio from Wikipedia, followed by remarks from Rush Limbaugh today: - - - - Early years Levin earned his B.A. and J.D. at Temple University. Professional career Commencing in 1981, Levin served as advisor to several members of President Ronald Reagan's Cabinet, eventually becoming associate director of presidential personnel and ultimately Chief of Staff to Attorney General Edwin Meese. He has practiced law in the private sector, and is president of the Landmark Legal Foundation in Leesburg, Virginia. His radio career began in 2002 as a Sunday afternoon host on WABC. In the fall of 2003, his show filled the 6-8 p.m. (ET) timeslot. As of February 2, 2009, his show was expanded to three hours, to take the 6-9 p.m (ET) timeslot. In 2001, the American Conservative Union gave Levin its Ronald Reagan Award. Member of Phi Beta Kappa, an honor society for students in liberal arts and sciences - - - - http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/daily/ site_032409/ content/01125110 .guest.htmlhttp://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_032409/content/01125110.guest.html BEGIN TRANSCRIPT RUSH: You know, our friend Mark Levin, I was with him during the whole 18-month process of him writing his book Liberty and Tyranny. Liberty and Tyranny was released yesterday. He's going to be on the program in this hour tomorrow. Liberty and Tyranny is a conservative manifesto and it is brilliantly written, because while it is constitutional, it is easily understandable, it is a page-turner as a novel is, and you don't find books like this that can make that claim. It is now number one at Amazon. It is now number one at Barnes Noble. It is now number one at every national place you can buy books. I get e-mails from people all the time, Rush, Rush, what would you suggest as a reading list that I can go get and understand conservatism, or that I could give to somebody else who doesn't understand it? You don't need a reading list. You need a book. You need this one. I would recommend you getting this book for yourself and buying extra copies to give away. Liberty and Tyranny. It is by Mark Levin. He'll be here tomorrow. There are a few people who are out there fighting for our liberty. I'm one of them; Sean Hannity is another, Levin, a bunch of them out there, and we are being characterized as mean and angry, and we are being characterized as people who just say no to Obama. The nice, smooth, suave, debonair, yuk-it-up guys are the ones taking away our liberty. They are the ones who are usurping the Constitution and assaulting capitalism and individual liberty and freedom on a daily basis. You see, blunt, tough talk often is what you get from honest people. Smooth, evasive straw man arguments emanate from dishonest people. Now, unfortunately that's confusing to the governed because of their ignorance and the fact that their emotions are easily manipulated. Now, Mark Levin, who is he? He's a legal scholar. He's a constitutional scholar. He runs the Landmark Legal Foundation. He was chief of staff for Ed Meese when he was attorney general in the Reagan administration. Mark Levin is a bare knuckles fighter for freedom. The left labels him mean and angry, while Obama is labeled as compassionate and reasonable and engaging, while fighting to snatch liberty from people at every turn with a heart that is as cold as ice. So we've got Levin's book, Liberty and Tyranny, it embraces liberty. It's out. It is number one wherever books are sold. Obama's plans, they're also out. They're taking it away. You can read them every day in the Washington Post, open the New York Times on Sunday, the Washington Post today, executive pay limitations, not just on TARP bailout companies, but all companies. Geithner wants to be able to take over any company that he wants to be able to take over. The Barack Obama take-freedom- and-liberty- away from people plan is out there, and it's published in the newspapers every day, it's on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN every day and every night. Mark Levin's book is also out, embracing liberty. There is an epic struggle that is underway, public sector versus private sector, collectivism versus the individual, liberty versus tyranny, good versus evil. You can sum all this up by saying there's an epic struggle underway, good versus evil. Our country has mislabeled scholars, journalists, late-night funny guys and Washingtonian wizards of smart, spew a relentless stream of propaganda smearing the people who fight for liberty. They label freedom fighters as the bad
BACON DELIGHTS: A few more items Muslim cashiers will refuse to handle
From: Travis
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009
Subject: BACON DELIGHTS: A few more items Muslim cashiers will refuse to
handle
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/bacon-delights-a-few-more-items-muslim-cashiers-will-refuse-to-handle/
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Re: CHANGE!
And my sincerest apologies for that most embarassing oversight..Make the count, 600,009!!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: *No problem. I found it to be highly insulting you didn't include me in the list of people wanting to see that birth certificate.* ** *CW* - Original Message - *From:* Keith In Tampakeithinta...@gmail.com *To:* PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2009 04:12 *Subject:* Re: CHANGE! LOL!! That's great CW!! Thanks for sharing!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CHANGE!
You can add my libertarian sister too! LOL!!! CW - Original Message - From: Keith In Tampa To: PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 05:37 Subject: Re: CHANGE! And my sincerest apologies for that most embarassing oversight..Make the count, 600,009!!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: No problem. I found it to be highly insulting you didn't include me in the list of people wanting to see that birth certificate. CW - Original Message - From: Keith In Tampa To: PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 04:12 Subject: Re: CHANGE! LOL!! That's great CW!! Thanks for sharing!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Congresswoman congrats Gators
LOLOLOLOL Hurricane Jaguar does have a certain ring to it. CW - Original Message - From: Keith In Tampa To: PoliticalForum@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 05:35 Subject: Re: Congresswoman congrats Gators LOL! It's spelled and pronounced, Ya'll. We do not say You'uns or We'uns down hereIn general, despite the Honorable Congresswoman Brown from Gerrymander, Florida, we have a pretty good grasp of the Queen's English. With regard to Ms. Brown, (who advocated that we start naming Hurricanes with African-American names, like Shaquelea, or Lexus, Jaguar, etc.,) here are a few more interesting facts regarding Ms. Brown's stellar career: Ms. Brown received a Communications/Speech degree from Edward Waters College in Jacksonville After the 1990 census, the Florida legislature gerrymandered out a new Third Congressional District in the northern part of the state. This district was designed to enclose an African-American majority within its boundaries. A horseshoe-shaped district touching on predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando, and Ocala... Controversy??? Ehics??? Controversy has followed Brown since the start of her national political career, from her actions while a state legislator.[7] The Florida Ethics Commission fined Brown $5,000 for using legislative employees as dual employees of her travel business.[7] A few weeks after becoming a member of the U.S. House in 1993, the Federal Elections Commission began investigating her. Her former campaign treasurer quit and said Brown had neglected to take action against an aide who had committed forgery, forging the treasurer's signature on her financial documents. The staffer alleged to have forged the treasurer's signature stayed with Brown and as of 1998 was her chief of staff.[7] In 1996, there was another investigation concerning charges that Brown improperly received and spent a $10,000 check from a secret account used for money laundering by National Baptist Convention leader Henry Lyons.[2] The Negress admitted receiving the check but denied she had used the money improperly.[2] She was accused of not reporting the check or reporting who she received the money from. Brown said that she had taken the check and converted it into another check made out to Pameron Bus Tours to pay for transportation to a rally she organized in Tallahassee. She said that she didn't have to report the money because the rally was to protest the reorganization of her district lines, and she did not use it for herself.[2] If the $10,000 gift had been reported, it would have exceeded the $1,000 individual donation limit.[2] Brown had had previous dealings with Lyons; in 1992, her campaign paid $5,000, allegedly for a computer, to a company owned by Lyons. The company had shut down six years earlier.[7] Her office once arranged for Lyons to buy several airline tickets at the government discount rate.[7] Under Congressional rules, only members of Congress and their staffers are allowed to take this rate.[7] On February 25, 2004 Brown referred to the George W. Bush administration as a racist bunch of white men in a meeting with senior State Department officials and members of Congress.[8] Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega, a Mexican American, said that he deeply resented being called a racist and branded a white man. Brown replied to Noriega and Cuban-American Representative Lincoln Diaz-Balart that you all look alike to me.[citation needed] Brown later apologized for her statements, but still contends that President Bush's involvement in the 2004 Haiti Rebellion was racist.[citation needed] On November 3, 2008, while attending a Barack Obama rally in Jacksonville, Brown was interviewed by two college journalists about her comments concerning George W. Bush, and whether he should be impeached. Brown had no comment about her previous statements and was quoted as saying, it won't matter soon.[citation needed] Ethics involving daughter On June 9, 1998, the Congressional Accountability Project filed an ethics complaint against Brown. The Project called for the U.S. House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct to investigate several violations of House Rule 10.[9] One of the complaints was that Brown's daughter Shantrel, a lawyer who worked for the Environmental Protection Agency in Washington, had received a $50,000 Lexus LS 400 automobile as a gift from an agent of a Gambian millionaire named Foutanga Sissoko. Sissoko, a friend of Congresswoman Brown, had been imprisoned in Miami after pleading guilty to charges of bribing a customs officer. Brown had worked to secure his release, pressuring U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno to deport Sissoko back to his homeland as an alternative to continued incarceration. The Project held this violated the House gift rule, but Brown denied she had acted improperly. The congressional
FYI
Anybody know what the hell is going on here? (I have a sneaky suspicion)
From: Travis
Subject: FYI
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 3:37 PM
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Re: CHANGE!
Loved it. Stole to send out. thanks
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[Fwd: We really can't have a agency of this Federal Govt. Go Broke... Can We??????????]
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global warming? yeah right...Blizzard whips northern Plains; travel difficult
Wind-blown snow whipped across the northern Plains on Tuesday, closing major highways, before a powerful storm that had stalled over western Nebraska and South Dakota moved northeastward. In Montana, the Army National Guard dispatched two helicopters to help locate motorists stranded by a snowstorm in the southeastern part of the state. We do know we have some motorists out there, but we don't know where. So we have a serious situation, said Charity Watt Levis, a spokeswoman for the Montana Department of Transportation. Crews rescued stranded motorists, including a family of three, that had been trapped on a highway in northeast Wyoming. Up to 30 inches of snow had piled up in South Dakota's rugged Black Hills, and the storm system also had generated tornadoes. The blowing snow cut visibility and piled in drifts as high as 4 feet in parts of Wyoming. We have wind gusts to 62 mph at Valentine this morning, said National Weather Service meteorologist Clifford Cole in North Platte, Neb. A wind gust was clocked at 90 mph in Perkins County, S.D., on Tuesday, and Hettinger in southwestern North Dakota measured a gust to 55 mph. The weather service posted blizzard warnings Tuesday for western sections of South Dakota and Nebraska, eastern Wyoming and the southeast corner of Montana. Much of western South Dakota was shut down Tuesday for a second day, with Interstate 90 closed from Chamberlain to Gillette, Wyo., a distance of 345 miles, and the South Dakota Transportation Department advised against travel in most of the region. Visibility was so poor that the South Dakota Department of Transportation pulled snowplows off the roads. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Interesting to see how this one gets handled - the way the NYT has it worded is strange
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?_r=18auemc=au The Global-Warming Heretic How did Freeman Dyson, the revered scientist and intellectual, wind up opposing those who care most about global warming?
Arts Advocates are Encouraged
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Betcha they do
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[Fwd: Best of the Web Today - March 25, 2009]
The one on the non-profit newspapers raises a good question. How do they keep political endorsements if they are non-profits? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- ---BeginMessage--- Online Journal E-Mail Center March 25, 2009 -- 4:44 p.m. See all of today's editorials and op-eds, video interviews and commentary on Opinion Journal. FORMAT TODAY'S COLUMN FOR PRINTING Down the Cardin Path The dangers of nonprofit status for newspapers. By JAMES TARANTO With troubled industries from Wall Street to Detroit lining up for federal bailouts, we suppose it was inevitable that someone would come up with a plan to bail out the news business. Sen. Benjamin Cardin, a Maryland Democrat, yesterday "introduced legislation that would allow newspapers to become non-profit organizations in an effort to help the faltering industry survive," declares a Cardin press release: The Newspaper Revitalization Act would allow newspapers to operate as non-profits, if they choose, under 501(c)(3) status for educational purposes, similar to public broadcasting. Under this arrangement, newspapers would not be allowed to make political endorsements, but would be allowed to freely report on all issues, including political campaigns. Advertising and subscription revenue would be tax exempt and contributions to support coverage or operations could be tax deductible. There is both less and more to Cardin's plan than is described here. Although his bill would expressly permit nonprofits to publish newspapers, there is nothing under current law to prevent them from doing so. The Christian Science Monitor reported in 2008 on some that already do, including the Monitor itself. The only major substantive change in the Cardin bill is a provision that would allow nonprofit newspapers to sell commercial ad space free of charge, provided that at least as much space is allotted for editorial content as for ads. The danger of the Cardin bill lies in the restrictions that already apply to nonprofits--a concern one media lawyer voices in an interview with Southern Maryland Online: "I think it really puts the role of censor or critic with the IRS," said George Rahdert, legal counsel for the St. Petersburg Times. "So the IRS would be able to say, 'This isn't fair or critical reporting.'" The Florida newspaper was donated to the Poynter Institute, a nonprofit school for journalists. The Times still pays taxes on its profits, so it has no governmental restrictions on what it can print. Cardin acknowledges the one hard prohibition that applies to nonprofit publications: that against formal political endorsements. This column has no brief for newspaper endorsements, which have always struck us as a rather quaint practice (although they do often enough provide amusing fodder for us that we'd be sorry to see them disappear). PODCAST James Taranto on nonprofit newspapers. But Section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code would prevent more than just formal endorsements. It requires that "no substantial part of the activities" of a nonprofit consist in "carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation" and that a nonprofit "does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." Taken at face value, this would seem to put a newspaper's nonprofit status at risk not only if it published an unsigned editorial endorsing a candidate, but also if it published a signed column doing the same. It would also seem to bar editorials or columns urging Congress to approve or reject specific legislation. Interpreted more restrictively, it could be taken to bar any sort of commentary on pending legislation. Even the column you are now reading could be construed as an attempt "to influence legislation." That last example is probably a reductio ad absurdum. We have some experience writing for nonprofit publications, and our sense is that what we are writing now would be kosher under the prevailing interpretation of the Internal Revenue Code. But we know from instructions we have received when writing for nonprofits that the chilling effect of Section 501(c)3's restrictions goes beyond formal institutional endorsements of candidates. In particular, writers for nonprofit publications are advised to avoid the appearance of partisanship. That's often sound advice journalistically, but sometimes political parties deserve praise--or, especially, criticism. It would diminish freedom of the press for newspapers
Interesting and true from my experience working on Wall St
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Re: FYI
Troublesome, to say the least..
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Anybody know what the hell is going on here? (I have a sneaky suspicion)
From: Travis
Subject: FYI
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Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non- neglible infrared part of the incoming solar radiation [ajstrata: the 45.2% of the solar radiation] is being absorbed (cf. Section 2.2). The second statement is falsied by referring to a counterexample known to every housewife: The water pot on the stove. Without water filled in, the bottom of the pot will soon become glowing red. Water is an excellent absorber of infrared radiation. However, with water filled in, the bottom of the pot will be substantially colder. The boiling water example is brilliant in its simplicity and ability connect to just about anyone. The heat from the Earth’s surface is carried away by the air which rises and drops the heat off in the upper atmosphere and into space. Just like the water in the pot. Heat is not dissipated by radiation, it is by conduction to the air and then convection of the air to remove the heat. So it seems the entire Global Warming ’science’ is built upon science fiction assumptions that defy the real laws of physics! They’ll grant a PhD to just about anyone these
Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
UhmWho??? Me? (LOL!!) I actually made the picture attachment, and researched the quote from Brother Al!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non- neglible infrared part of the incoming solar radiation [ajstrata: the 45.2% of the solar radiation] is being absorbed (cf. Section 2.2). The second statement is falsied by referring to a counterexample known to every housewife: The water pot on the stove. Without water filled in, the bottom of the pot will soon become glowing red. Water is an excellent absorber of infrared radiation. However, with water filled in, the bottom of the pot will be substantially colder. The boiling water example is brilliant in its simplicity and ability connect to just about anyone. The heat from the Earth’s surface is carried away by the air which rises and drops the heat off in the upper atmosphere and into space. Just like the water in the pot. Heat is not
Re: CHANGE!
That reminds me of one I saved... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/3119870982_73988aa0f4_o.jpg On Mar 25, 3:43 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: CHANGE.gif 190KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
I know; I read your post on the other side. You bored? I have some reading material for you. On Mar 25, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: UhmWho??? Me? (LOL!!) I actually made the picture attachment, and researched the quote from Brother Al!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non- neglible infrared part of the incoming solar radiation [ajstrata: the 45.2% of the solar radiation] is being absorbed (cf. Section 2.2). The second statement is falsied by referring to a counterexample known to every housewife: The water pot on the stove. Without water filled in, the bottom of the pot will soon become glowing red. Water is an excellent absorber of infrared radiation. However, with water filled in, the bottom of the pot will be substantially colder. The boiling water example is brilliant in its simplicity and ability
Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
LOL!! It would have to be better than what I should be reading, which is the Florida Department of Corrections Administrative Rules and Policy: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/secretary/legal/ch33/index.html On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know; I read your post on the other side. You bored? I have some reading material for you. On Mar 25, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: UhmWho??? Me? (LOL!!) I actually made the picture attachment, and researched the quote from Brother Al!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non- neglible infrared part of the incoming solar radiation [ajstrata: the 45.2% of the solar radiation] is being absorbed (cf. Section 2.2). The second statement is falsied by
Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
Yeah, and it isn't as long. It's on your email. On Mar 25, 5:19 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: LOL!! It would have to be better than what I should be reading, which is the Florida Department of Corrections Administrative Rules and Policy: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/secretary/legal/ch33/index.html On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know; I read your post on the other side. You bored? I have some reading material for you. On Mar 25, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: UhmWho??? Me? (LOL!!) I actually made the picture attachment, and researched the quote from Brother Al!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non-
Re: CHANGE!
Geez.That guy looks really familiar!!! Where have I seen that mug before??? Maybe something on television last night??? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Perplexed openlyincogn...@yahoo.comwrote: That reminds me of one I saved... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/3119870982_73988aa0f4_o.jpg On Mar 25, 3:43 pm, Cold Water coldwater...@gmail.com wrote: CHANGE.gif 190KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obamas Poison Ivy
From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/25
Subject: Obamas Poison Ivy
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What Obambi should do with the GITMO TERRORISTS
From: Travis
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009
Subject: What Obambi should do with the GITMO TERRORISTS
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/what-obambi-should-do-with-the-gitmo-terrorists/
And I think he and the congress should lead by example.
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THis commenter has it all too right - and that is very dangerous
Jack http://www.blogger.com/profile/12124750537684720603 said... Ann, There is a deeper issue here. The weakness of President Obama has now shifted the direction of the Federal Government to the control of the US Congress. By far the strongest leader in either house is Nancy Pelosi. She is now the de facto chief executive of the United States. Yet, the people did not elect her. She was elected by a majority of the voters in a very nonstandard atypical, to say the least, district. She has become a petty tyrant with very great personal power. It's difficult to imagine how this situation can be rectified in the short term. The system is broken. Barney Frank is simply a, or the, gay clown prince of the new dictatorship of the House of Representatives. As such he provides support to Queen Nancy in her home district, and, pathetically, that's all that counts today. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Obamas Poison Ivy
Thanks. I posted a similar pic in my toons earlier today. the obamunist is
definitely envious of his brothers.
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bruce (bruce.maj...@gmail.com) saw this Webicon on http://webicon.me and
wanted you to see it, too!
Click the link to view the image:
http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/1025948-envy.html
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
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Date: 2009/3/25
Subject: Obamas Poison Ivy
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/swirsky/2009/03252009.htm
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Why Socialism Must Always Fail
From: Travis Subject: Why Socialism Must Always Fail Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, *Why Socialism Must Always Fail: Ludwig Von Mises on Economic Calculation under Socialism *by Emmanuel Forgolou http://www.capmag.com/author.asp?ID=85(June 25, 2000) Without calculation, economic activity is impossible. Since under Socialism economic calculation is impossible, under Socialism there can be no economic activity in our sense of the word ... All economic change, therefore, would involve operations the value of which could neither be predicted beforehand nor ascertained after they had taken place. Everything would be a leap in the dark. Socialism is the renunciation of rational economy. -- Ludwig von Mises, Socialism, 1981, pp. 103-105. Von Mises Socialism First published in 1922 (under the title Die Gemeinwirtschaft) , Mises' masterpiece Socialism was the lone dissenting voice to challenge the prevailing intellectual orthodoxy of his time. In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, an entire army of useful idiots (as Lenin contemptuously called Western intellectuals) were proclaiming the superiority of socialism. Blind to the massive evidence of socialism's failure that started accumulating as soon as the Bolsheviks came to power, collectivists throughout the world were singing paeans to the wave of the future that would allegedly sweep the outmoded capitalist methods of production into oblivion. An essential aspect of Mises' exposition of the irrationality inherent in socialism is his concept of economic activity. Mises does not use this notion to describe any processes entailed in producing goods. Arbitrary production plans set by the caprice of some commissar or planning board do not constitute economic activity. To qualify as economic activity in Mises' use of the term, production must be guided by rational principles. The context in which Mises establishes the irrationality of socialism rests on the fundamental economic difference between capitalism and socialism, which economically consists of the private vs. communal ownership of the means of production. Economic calculation in a capitalist economy Under capitalism every individual plays a dual role in the determination of economic values. First as a consumer, secondly as a producer. As a consumer, he establishes the valuation of goods and services ready for consumption. As a producer, he allocates productive resources to the uses that yield the highest product. This is the very essence of the free market mechanism, which ensures rationality in production and consumption alike. As a consumer, each individual spends his money on the goods and services that best satisfy his needs. The pattern of consumer preferences is conveyed to producers in the form of prices. This is the crucial function performed by market prices under capitalism. Prices of consumer goods and services are the signals producers use to determine what goods and services are to be produced. Let's look at how this works. Let's say that shampoo has a high price on it. This means that consumers value shampoo a lot, which is why they are willing to pay such a high price for it. The high price acts as a signal to producers. It tells them that they can make a large profit by producing and selling shampoo. As a result, they will shift resources to the production of shampoo. The end result is that more resources will be used to produce shampoo because this good is highly valued by consumers. A high price indicates to producers that consumers place a high value on a certain good or service. From the producers' perspective, the high price means that they can realize a large profit by producing and selling this good or service. Thus the pursuit of profit induces producers to direct more resources to the good or service in question. In contrast, a low price signals that consumers do not particularly value a good or service. The low price shrinks the producers' profit margin, so they will naturally shift resources away from this good or service. As a result, rationality is achieved by producing more of the goods and services that are highly valued by consumers and less of those that are not preferred by consumers. The market mechanism also achieves rationality in production. Again, the role of prices is essential. In this case the signals guiding the actions of producers are the prices of productive resources (land, labor, capital, technology). A high price for a certain factor of production indicates that this resource will raise the cost of production and thus lower the producers' profit margin. Therefore producers will end up using less of this particular resource. In contrast, a low price for a resource signals that producers can lower the cost of production and thus increase their profit margin by using this factor of production. The end result is rationality in production by lowering costs through the increased use of less costly resources and the corresponding reduced
Gotta love our media mavens
madawaskan http://www.blogger.com/profile/09259086579871139667 said... Here- Let me deposit that /gem/- OBAMA: Ann Compton. Hey, Ann. Q: Sir -- hey. (Laughter.) OBAMA: You sound surprised. (Laughter.) Q: I am surprised. Could I ask you about race? OBAMA: You may. Q: Yours is a rather historic presidency. And I'm just wondering whether in any of the policy debates that you've had within the White House, the issue of race has come up, or whether it has in the way you feel you've been perceived by other leaders or by the American people. Or has the last 64 days been a relatively colorblind time? [I feel like Titus.] 12:29 PM http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/03/did-you-watch-obama-press-conference-me.html#886268862453095812 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Love this one - Obama is using the media like a fan club
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Class Act all the way
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Good for her - Sarah is the greatest
Today Sarah Palin went on offense and it was nice to see. She had just received her 11th Ethics Complaint since taking office. This one was filed by a local Left Wing Blogger. You'll remember that her Husband Todd races in the Iron Dog Sled race and has won it a few times. He races Arctic-Cat Snow-machines and they are one of his sponsors. At this years start of the race Sarah wore a jacket with an Arctic Cat Logo. The Filed Ethics Complaint contends'' that she is a walking billboard for Arctic Cat, and that this is unethical. The governor hit the roof over the latest accusation. Are Alaskans outraged, or at least tired of this yet -- another frivolous ethics charge by a political blogger? This would be hilarious if it weren't so expensive for the state to process these accusations and for me to defend against these bogus harassments, Palin said in Tuesday's written release. It was nice to see her getting mad today, and getting vocal about getting mad. Even the local Talk Show guys, who regularly bang her to death, considered this complaint beyond the pale. To defend against various complaints, the governor has accumulated legal bills of more than half a million dollars, she said last week. Posted by: daddy | March 25, 2009 at 05:26 AM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Article from the ADN re the Palin ethics charge by the blogger - the comments are weird
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/735153.html You must be logged in to leave a comment. Login | Register Comments: 768 Showing: Oldest first Newest first Most-recommended first Least-recommended first FDR2008 wrote on 03/25/2009 04:48:30 PM: Where are we at with those Email's? Have they been released yet? If there is no worries by Palin, what is the hold up? Recommend(2) Report abuse IsyFleur wrote on 03/25/2009 04:32:28 PM: I must say, Lisa Demer was rather blunt when she wrote: "The governor hit the roof over the latest accusation." So funny! Am I right in believing that if Palin admits to having "accumulated legal bills of more than half a million dollars", it must be because some of the complaints are far from bogus? Recommend(7) Report abuse truelyalaskan wrote on 03/25/2009 04:25:26 PM: Stupid...So stupid. Recommend(1) Report abuse FDR2008 wrote on 03/25/2009 04:23:28 PM: iamme2 wrote "Hmmm let me see. Todd Palin is a professional snowmachine racer he has won the Iron Dog in previously. He has had sponsors before his wife got a job as Gov. Sponsors give racers and their families all kinds stuff to wear to promote their team." Palin is the governor of Alaska and is suppose to be unbiased, representing all Alaskans, even those who are sponsored by Polaris. Palin was attending the Iron Dog as the governor of Alaska NOT as a spouse of a racer. Recommend(9) Report abuse Ferner wrote on 03/25/2009 04:21:48 PM: This seems like a clear case of abuse. 1. Snow Machines are one of the Palin familys primary financial interests. Artic Cat directly sponsors her husband and in addition, the family receives "discounts" on equipment provided by AC. 2. She attended the event as Governor and pictures were posed on a government website. 3. Her presence at the event clearly indicated that she and her daughter were behaving as part of her husband's team- which her husband has a clear financial interest in. 4. The "outfits" she and her daughter were wearing clearly appeared to be custom "uniforms". Now, if the family paid retail for the uniforms it might be considered a bad judgment call but I would expect that they were probably part of Todd's sponsorship. It does not matter if she profited directly or not since benefit also applies to family or friends. This certainly has the face of a clear ethics violation... Recommend(13) Report abuse FDR2008 wrote on 03/25/2009 04:18:09 PM: ZacharBen wrote "Just a reminder for those who may have forgotten - Linda Kellen Biegel of "Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis", was the official Alaskan blogger for the DNC." Just a reminder, the ADVISER of Palin and SarahPAC is John Coale. He happens to be the husband of Greta on Fox, who along with John has been DISCIPLINED after being brought up on ethic violation charges for unscrupulous conduct AND is a practicing pledged member of the Church of Scientology. Recommend(16) Report abuse greyghost wrote on 03/25/2009 04:10:39 PM: With such incredibly unprofessional comments issuing from the gov's office, it is time to install a sandbox, so she can throw sand and stamp her wittle feet while issuing her kindergarten-like diatribes. Three Cheers for Linda and Andree! Keep up the good work! Recommend(20) Report abuse JonathanPaulWallers wrote on 03/25/2009 04:10:00 PM: What goes around comes around eventually. Ms. Celtic Diva and all the other ankle biters will see what Gov. Palin is made of, I do believe. The more they nag at her, I bet the more determined she will be! Recommend(0) Report abuse ZacharBen wrote on 03/25/2009 04:08:56 PM: Just a reminder for those who may have forgotten - Linda Kellen Biegel of "Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis", behind the latest frivolous ethics complaint against Governor Palin, was the official Alaskan blogger for the DNC. Recommend(1) Report abuse More comments on this story: 12345678910 @Nyx.AuthorDisplayName@ wrote on @Nyx.PostedAtTime@: @Nyx.CommentBody@ @Nyx.Recommender@ @Nyx.AbuseReporter@ Report comment as: (required) X Obscenity/vulgarity Hate speech Personal attack Advertising/Spam Copyright/Plagiarism Other Remarks: (optional) Top stories Redoubt volcano quiets after 2 morning blasts Blogging the UAA semifinals game City doctors turn away new Medicare patients Citgo plans delivery of free fuel to villages in April Coal more valuable than food to Fairbanks burglars School budget trim by Assembly disappoints superintendent Most read Redoubt Legislators want to accept stimulus funds Palin calls bloggers ethics complaint bogus Death in the snow is final episode in life gone wrong
I agree with Tom Maguire on this one - is Bambi really that delusional?
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Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
Keith. Major yawner. My most SINCERE condolences. On Mar 25, 5:19 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: LOL!! It would have to be better than what I should be reading, which is the Florida Department of Corrections Administrative Rules and Policy: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/secretary/legal/ch33/index.html On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:14 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know; I read your post on the other side. You bored? I have some reading material for you. On Mar 25, 5:03 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: UhmWho??? Me? (LOL!!) I actually made the picture attachment, and researched the quote from Brother Al!! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:58 PM, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: lol...THIEF! I see you stealing stuff from the other board. On Mar 25, 4:39 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See*http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paperhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non-
I like this comment from Just One Minute
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How does she keep getting elected!
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Next crook up - thought lobbyists were supposedly persona non grata in this admin
OT: Change! BHO expected to nominate registered lobbist/former union boss (ALPA) *Randy Babbitt* http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123790805538625971.html as next FAA Administrator. Hope his taxes are all paid up. Posted by: Mustang0302 | March 25, 2009 at 03:27 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53c98d970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53c98d970b --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Bambi and the Charities
/charity seems like such an odd thing to pick on./ I understand what Obama is up to perfectly. Not only do you increase the level of immediate dependence on government to take up the slack, and increase the rationale for the argument against the rich, but it fulfills a couple of other fundamentals of liberalism. Government aid to the poor negates the /need/ for individuals to do charitable things, over the long-term. This plays into the selfish thee, not me attitude most liberals espouse by shifting the moral burden of charity to the amoral act of writing a bigger check to the gubmint. The purpose is to indirectly attack the moral superiority of the charitable individual, in favor of the collective. Likewise, once you eliminate the individual responsibility of charity, you accept the premise that government is the cure for /some or all/ social ills. This creates an atmosphere in which the existence of social problems is proof of insufficient government oversight and control. That, I believe, is the true goal of this whole thing: to create an atmosphere in which resistance to government intervention and expansion is generally accepted as evil. Posted by: Soylent Red | March 25, 2009 at 03:53 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b45b2970c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b45b2970c /If that is really Biden's claim couldn't that put his church at risk for audit, to see if they reported that income?/ Porch, Churches, unlike other non profits, don't have to report income (yet). Posted by: Ignatz Ratzkywatzky | March 25, 2009 at 03:56 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b49c6970c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b49c6970c I've got another interesting result of this stupidity: political action committees will be on the same footing as charities. Take the money you would have given to the United Way and give it to the RNC. It's only fair. Posted by: Fresh Air | March 25, 2009 at 03:57 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53ee48970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53ee48970b That, I believe, is the true goal of this whole thing: to create an atmosphere in which resistance to government intervention and expansion is generally accepted as evil. Sorry Mr Red.Obysmal isn't that smart.Somebody would have had to think that for him. Posted by: PeterUK http://Tiscali.com | March 25, 2009 at 03:58 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b4cdc970c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b4cdc970c Ah I forgot one other element... The shift in the burden of social ills to the massive middle class, and away from the elite. As much as they may argue the opposite, making charity dependent upon tax driven government programs moves the financial burden from the rich (liberal elite rich who subscribe to thee, not me and the collective mindset) to the middle class taxpaying schlub who can't afford the kinds of people and methods that shelter and hide money from taxes. Posted by: Soylent Red | March 25, 2009 at 03:58 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b4d9b970c#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156e5b4d9b970c He isn't specifically targeting charity. He is going to limit the amount of total deductions people can take. It's just that charity is the only deductible item that is discretionary, so that's where people will cut back. If I could cut back on my property tax bill and give more to charity, I'd do it! My guess is it just never occurred to him and Turbo that this would be a byproduct of their tax manipulations. So now better to deny than admit it. Posted by: MayBee | March 25, 2009 at 04:03 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53f6f9970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f53f6f9970b Exactly, Soylent--and it diminishes the power of the unfavored charities--i,e, churches-- vs. Planned Parenthood whom the govt will continue to fund one way or the other;boy scouts vs the Jugend; private schools vs state sponsored dummy making institutions.. Posted by: clarice | March 25, 2009 at 04:13 PM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/i-give-up.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f540a16970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f540a16970b --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Excellent comment from Just One Minute - I have a weird sense of humor
The original quote is lost in the ether,but to paraphrase. A nation,its culture,polity and constitution are like a magnificent old building that has taken centuries to build.Putting your nation in to the hands of Obama is akin to entrusting the building to a window dresser whose concern is only the fashion of the moment.Folks,you have handed the Vatican over to a condo developer. Posted by: PeterUK http://Tiscali.com |th --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rather disproves what Bambi is claiming - from Just One Minute commenter
Bank of America studied the evil rich and their philanthropy http://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/index.php?s=23item=105. Posted by: DebinNC http://newsroom.bankofamerica.com/index.php?s=23item=105 | --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust: Jon Cannon, President Obama's nominee to become deputy chief of the Environmental Protection Agency, withdrew from consideration today with a veiled reference to scrutiny of his association with America's Clean Water Foundation (ACWF) -- a group that the EPA inspector general cited in 2007 for steering federal grant money to the livestock industry. OO scrutiny, who'd a thunk... LUN Posted by: bad http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/top-obama-enviro-nominee-pulls-out-amid-scrutiny-of-his-work-with-scandal-plagued-non-profit.php | --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Page from Ahmadinejads Diary Happy New Year!
From: Travis
Date: 2009/3/25
Subject: A Page from Ahmadinejads Diary Happy New Year!
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This guy's letter should be suitable famed and presented to Bambi in public and before the opposing media
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I think the Anchoress has the right idea
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Good column here
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Love this one
Clarice, thanks for that link. Jim Geraghty has an interesting tidbit as well: /This is pretty surprising. Barack Obama holds his first party fundraiser tomorrow night, an entire 63 days into his presidency. It's at the Warner Theater, and as of 5 p.m. today . . . it was not sold out. HT, Moe Lane./ /In fact, on the web site right now, it's indicating tickets are still available, for as little as $250./ Geraghty posted this before 9pm last night. Posted by: bad http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596_Page2.html | March 25, 2009 at 11:21 AM http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2009/03/forget-it-jake-its-chinatown.html?cid=6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f51af04970b#comment-6a00d83451b2aa69e201156f51af04970b --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
See this one???
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AIG Bonuses: Surrendered Under Pressure? - also check out the slideshow of over $200K residencies
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Re: Good column here
Good column for the sour grapes brigadeenjoy the next 8 years! On Mar 25, 9:08 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/NoemieEmery/Death-o... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: For those who think global warning is a myth..
Great article. And old al looks like he has a corncob stuck up his ass. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: For those who think global warning is a myth... You are correct, it is!! *See* http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf This paper http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf debunks the entire man-made global warming myth at its source - the fact that no one has (or can) prove there is a “Greenhouse Effect”. It is a fascinating read and notes how real green houses warm up by heating the trapped air which cannot be cooled by convection (hot air rises, cool air drops in to take up the heat being absorbed by the ‘ground’). The IPCC green house theory (which is proven to be false) relies on a radiation imbalance between the Sun and the reflecting/emitting Earth. It assumes visible light comes in, is absorbed by the ground, etc, and then heat radiation (infrared) is transmitted out. It assumes (wrongly) that infrared cannot escape the glass or atmosphere and that is how heat builds up (not because the air cannot be refreshed). The paper is especially illuminating in its discussion on a car getting hot in the sun on the inside, while the ground and air right outside the car doesn’t. If radiation was the real mechanism (as all the priests at the Church of Al Gore/IPCC claim) then there would not be so much warming ‘inside’ relative to the outside. In fact, the paper notes an experiment where a “salt house” was developed (because salt does pass infrared as easily as visible light) and it was shown both the ’salt and ‘glass’ houses warmed at the same rate, even though there was no trapping of the infrared radiation in the salt house. In fact, the salt house warmed more and faster - because of one monumental mistake made by the entire man-made global warming community! The priests of IPCC assume the sun generates more visible light than infrared, and it is the infrared radiation from the earth which is heating the atmosphere. They assume the heat from the Earth is trapped because the atmosphere captures the infrared but passes the visible. But the reality is the Sun produces radiation in the following bands and percentages based on black-body radiation models (used to model suns): Ultraviolet (UV) - 10%, visible light 44.8%, Infrared (IR) 45.2%! The Sun produces more energy in the IR than in the visible. Those same atmospheric molecules absorbing the Earth’s IR is also absorbing the Sun’s IR - and guess which IR source is orders of magnitude larger? Does the Earth glow and shed light to planets across this solar system? This really is just a stunning point. The Green House effect would have to work both ways. If trapped IR radiation by CO2 (which only accounts for 7% of the so called green house gases) is the driver behind global warming then it should be taking off like a rocket given how much IR is coming from the Sun. The Sun is an IR generator that dwarfs whatever heat is coming from the Earth’s surface. But we all know the CO2 has been rising the last ten years and the temperature has been dropping. What gives? I find it completely dumbfounding that the IPCC and others never proved their IR radiation imbalance theories. Not once! In fact, the paper lists a string of smart sounding but incoherent and wrong statements about how green houses work and the atmosphere. In a shining example of getting so complicated in the their thinking they misses the obvious is this one: Claim: The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere lets the radiation of the Sun, whose maximum lies in the visible light, go through completely, while on the other hand it absorbs a part of the heat radiation emitted by the Earth into space because of its larger wavelength. This leads to higher near-surface air temperatures.” Disproof: The first statement is incorrect since the obviously non- neglible infrared part of the incoming solar radiation [ajstrata: the 45.2% of the solar radiation] is being absorbed (cf. Section 2.2). The second statement is falsied by referring to a counterexample known to every housewife: The water pot on the stove. Without water filled in, the bottom of the pot will soon become glowing red. Water is an excellent absorber of infrared radiation. However, with water filled in, the bottom of the pot will be substantially colder. The boiling water example is brilliant in its simplicity and ability connect to just about anyone. The heat from the Earth’s surface is carried away by the air which rises and drops the heat off in the upper atmosphere and into space. Just like the water in the pot. Heat is not dissipated by radiation, it is by conduction to the air and then convection of the air to remove the heat. So it seems the entire Global Warming ’science’ is built upon science fiction assumptions that defy the real laws of physics! They’ll grant a PhD to
Re: Chris Dodd's Wife Also Feeds at the AIG Teat
At least Dodd keeps it in the family.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Ohio mark marsupialm...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
On the opposite side of the waitress sandwich from Chappaquiddick Ted
Kennedy lies fellow Dem Senator Chris Dodd, who has stopped lying long
enough to fess up to authorizing the ballyhooed bonuses for execs of
effectively nationalized AIG. Clodd says the Obamination
Administration twisted his arm; maybe, but I doubt Chairman Zero had
to twist very hard:
No wonder Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn) went wobbly last week
when asked about his February amendment ratifying hundreds of millions
of dollars in bonuses to executives at insurance giant AIG. Dodd has
been one of the company's favorite recipients of campaign
contributions. But it turns out that Senator Dodd's wife has also
benefited from past connections to AIG as well.
From 2001-2004, Jackie Clegg Dodd served as an outside director
of IPC Holdings, Ltd., a Bermuda-based company controlled by AIG. …
Clegg was compensated for her duties to the company, which was
managed by a subsidiary of AIG. In 2003, according to a proxy
statement, Clegg received $12,000 per year and an additional $1,000
for each Directors' and committee meeting she attended. …
Clegg was a diligent director. In 2003, the proxy statement
report, she attended more than 75% of board and committee meetings.
Why not? $1,000 to doze through a board meeting isn't bad pay — unless
you compare it with the 100s of $billions of our money that Dodd,
Obama, Geithner et al. have been shoveling at AIG.
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Israel Plans for War On Multiple Fronts
Israel Plans for War On Multiple Fronts Press TV March 23, 2009 Israel is preparing for all-out war on multiple fronts that include Iran, Syria and Lebanon, a senior military commander claims. Israeli army Home Front Command Major General Yair Golan said Sunday that Tel Aviv is preparing for “all possible scenarios”, indicating that one such scenario would be to fight a simultaneous war against Iran, Syria and Lebanon. The confirmation comes as US President Barack Obama seeks “new beginnings” with its arch-rival Iran. The US offer has been met with world praise but with fury in Tel Aviv. Israeli media outlets late on Sunday began propagating wild scenarios that Iran is using the Lebanese Hezbollah to recruit Palestinian fighters to carry out terror attacks on Israel. Citing anonymous sources, the reports began to surface after Tel Aviv countered an alleged bombing attempt outside a shopping mall in the northern city of Haifa. “We are treating the attempted attack in Haifa with great gravity. A huge disaster was prevented by a miracle,” Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told a weekly cabinet meeting after the bomb was defused on Sunday. Israel has long accused Iran of arming Hezbollah and Palestinian groups via Syria, in an attempt to demonize the two Muslim countries. Tel Aviv also accuses Tehran of developing nuclear weaponry — a charge denied by the UN nuclear watchdog. At a conference held in Tel Aviv, Golan also confirmed the likeliness of Israel staging another military confrontation against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Although Israel does not consider rocket attacks from Gaza as a serious threat, there is the possibility of “dangerous” missile attacks by other countries, he said. He failed to elaborate how such missile attacks would relate to Gaza. His remarks came as reports claim that the soon-to-be Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has plans for “a major military conflict in the coming months.” The commander also revealed that Tel Aviv will install new warning systems across Israel in preparation for its war plans. The last Israeli-waged war on the Gaza Strip, which began on December 27, killed at least 1,350 Palestinians and wounded more than 5,450 others in the densely-populated sliver. The aggression was the last in a series of operations carried out by the Israeli forces against the natives of the land since occupying Palestine in 1948. http://www.squidoo.com/tithes-and-offerings --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why does the United States Government borrow money?
It seems obvious that the United States Government has the right, like all sovereign nations, to create whatever money it wants to. If that is true, why do we borrow money and pay interest of about $400 Billion dollars every year? We now owe over $10 Trillion dollars. If the United States does not have the right to create money -- who does? Bear in mind that all money in existence was created by someone. Am I the only person who thinks our borrowing money is very strange? In the past, Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, Henry Ford, Wright Patman. Thomas Edison and Andrew Jackson all said the government should create money rather than borrowing it for needed purposes. Marty Carbone / martycarb...@yahoo.com / 3/25/09 http://www.alphabeticalist.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
