More on Government healthcare
BJM said... Pogo @3:44, you owe me a wireless keyboard. I too am weary of arguing, there is simply no point as there are shit sandwiches as far as the eye can see. I've lived in the UK, France, Italy and Germany. We also lived in Australia when the Whitlam govt created Medibank, their two tier system of private and public, now known s Medicare. This is probably similar to what we would embark upon. Within five years it was tits-up financially as the original payroll levy (tax) couldn't sustain the system without massive infusions of general fund revenue. It's been overhauled several times and is still unsustainable under the 1.5% income levy. It is estimated that an additional 8% would be required to balance the cost and almost half do not use it, but buy private insurance. It is a hospital benefit more than a full on care system for the middle and upper classes. Here's a few bullets points: Approximately 43% of Australians also retain private health insurance, even though they are already entitled to free treatment in public hospitals. The major reasons for taking up health insurance despite the free public system are: * Shorter waiting lists in private hospitals (especially for procedures such as joint reconstructions or heart bypass surgery, for which there are often long waiting times in public hospitals). * Choice of hospital/physician in the private system; * Improved accommodation facilities such as private rooms (although medical facilities are usually more extensive in the public system). Some people choose to have private coverage for ancillary treatment, or "extras", (e.g. chiropractic, dental, optical, ambulance, etc - for which Medicare has limited or no cover) but use the Medicare system for hospital treatment.BTW- Anyone who hasn't had the pleasure of dealing with a Brit NHS Ward Sister just hasn't experienced the joy national health can bring. Those of you who think costs will be reduced have a gander at this bit of German efficiency. I have European and South American friends who vacation in the US to have their yearly tests and dental care done. They gladly pay for the level of care we take for granted, especially dental care. This is really common in South Florida where top notch medical centers, shopping and vacation spots abound. btw-are you proud of those pearly whites Bunky? There's a reason so many Brits and Europeans have bad and/or crooked teeth, it ain't genetics, diet or the water. 5:22 PM
Interesting bit on healthcare
C. Steven Tucker said... What has our government done, to convince people to hand over our very health freedoms for it to govern over? Katrina..? Fannie Mae bailout? (this is a government entity who's employee's receive bonuses!) What other government employee receives bonuses for doing their jobs? Social security bankrupt ? (robbed for other expenditures) Medicaid ? (robbed for other expenditures) $2 trillion Porkulus bill - ? (and growing) AIG bail out, yet nobody knows where's the money gone? No committee of oversight in place (was promised by our representatives to be in place immediately) Gas prices - ?(50% of every dollar at the pump goes to Washington) But who did you point your finger at as the problem Since our government "cannot" be sued, how will one be able to be recompensed for its malfeasance or neglect? How will the government, once it tells 300 million people "go see the doctor" we will pay all the bills, be able to control the consequences? By overwhelming our medical profession or break it, will come another grand government solution," we need more money to fix it"! You are already familiar and have accepted this excuse for too long, and know this to be their power solution. Our government has impoverished our families' financial freedom to pay our own way, by immoral taxation. Furthermore how has Government run health care worked in other countries? Let's get past the emotions and examine the facts. A common example used to further the cause of "socialized medicine" in the United States is to point out how well it is working in countries such as France and Canada. However, those living in Canada know full well that their government run health care program is most certainly not working. As a matter of fact, many Canadian citizens choose to hire high priced brokers to find them quality health care right here in the United States because of the terrible bureaucracy that controls all forms of health care in Canada. For more about what is really going on with the Canadian health care system please watch these short but very informative documentary videos: http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php http://www.freemarketcure.com/twowomen.php http://www.freemarketcure.com/thelemon.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiXT0P3edfs The number of actual uninsured's in the US has also been grossly inflated as well. For the real numbers: http://www.freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE-I0ombIEYeurl=http://www.noinsuranceclub.com/blog.phpfeature=player_embedded Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are beating the drum for a far larger government role in health care. Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. However, before turning to government as the solution, some unheralded facts about America's health care system should be considered, says Scott W. Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers: * Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. * Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. * The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40 percent higher. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries: * Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. * By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians receive them. Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians: * Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). * Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor." Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom: * Canadian and British patients wait about twice as long -- sometimes more than a year -- to see a specialist, to have elective surgery like hip replacements or to get radiation treatment for cancer. * All told, 827,429 people are waiting for some type of procedure in Canada. * In England, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment. Source:
Interesting further comment from personal experience with NHS
kentuckyliz http://www.blogger.com/profile/08110491371985845560 said... The Boomers are starting to retire and Social Security is broke and Medicare is the Giant Blob That Ate New York. Of course the gummint wants to take over health care, to ration it and kill off that huge old population of useless eaters...thus saving Social Security and Medicare. DUH. Don't assume you can always private-pay in a gummintcare system. I had Herceptin treatment for HER2 neu positive BrCa, which is not approved in UK NHS. Not only do they deny that treatment, they do not allow you to pay for it yourself--they'll kick you off NHS totally. You have to be superwealthy to pay for all your own treatment. That's why breast cancer death rates are double the US's. If you're HER2 positive, treatment is pointless without Herceptin. It's a death sentence. Info source: my English relatives, including a retired doc. Several of my English rellies are docs, including an oncologist and epidemiologist. I'm deathly afraid of gummintcare because I've kicked cancer's ass three times now. Even before the gummint spends one red cent on me, they'll decide I'm statistically unworthy and not worth further expenditure. God help us all. 11:32 PM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Interesting story in the UK Daily Telegraph about Obama releasing the torture memos
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Fascinating that this idiot thinks that the illegally hacked into smear emails from the Prime Minister's office about the Conservative leaders
Why should the hacking have anything to do with it. He should be more concerned that someone on the staff would even think it was a good idea to send out emails with false rumors about the leaders of the opposition party. Hacking is the least of his worries. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/5172806/Charlie-Whelan-Smear-emails-were-hacked-into.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: RHINO's you are seeing the future of the GOP, TeaBaggers! LMAO!
Unfortunately this is NOT what you said, you said Obama's deficit was 4 times the size of all eight years of the Bush Administration's budgets... So before I give you a rebuttal, could you clarify your original statement which is the basis of my challenge and is congruent with the facts in your reply. On Apr 16, 5:17 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: The record deficit that you reference, is a small drop in the bucket as compared to the current record deficit which is four times the size of all eight years of the Bush Administration's budgets. You still don't get it!!! On Apr 17, 11:43 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Obama's budget FOUR TIMES THE DEFICITS OF BUSH http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-233039 Obama budget could bring $9.3 trillion in deficitshttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget U.S. Budget Deficit Forecast to Hit $1.8 Trillion This Year The Congressional Budget Office says the deficit under President Obama's policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/20/budget-defici... On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:33 PM, VT VirtualTruth thevirtualtr...@gmail.com wrote: Keith you want to give some figures for this outrageous comment? 4 times the size of of all eight years of the Bush Administration budgets? That would make it $20 Trillion! On Apr 16, 5:17 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: The record deficit that you reference, is a small drop in the bucket as compared to the current record deficit which is four times the size of all eight years of the Bush Administration's budgets. You still don't get it!!! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, VT VirtualTruth thevirtualtr...@gmail.comwrote: OK, lets remember what this post is about, It is not about the insults or the nickname you are trying to give me, LMAO. It is not about the FUBAR called Bush trickle down economics. It is about the fact that Bush inherited an annual Budget Surplus, turned this surplus into a record deficit and doubled the National Debt while robbing working class Americans future Social Security benefits in the greatest transfer of wealth in history through the Bush Tax cuts that bought the 2004 election and gutted the future of America and destroyed the Bush Republicans as was shown by the 2006 and 2008 election results and the subsequent economic collapse that resulted in the multiple Bailouts begun in the fall of 2008 to keep the country from experiencing another Economic collapse of 1929, and the GOP's effort to remain in power by hi-jacking yet another grass roots movement like they did with the Religious Right. The Teabaggers are the new grass roots movement to be plundered by the GOP. On Apr 16, 4:43 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey SugarShack!! All folks named Sean or Shawn have a nickname of SugarShack Just ask former Buccaneer QB Shawn SugarShack King, or former Buccaneer RB Reggie Sean SugarShack Cobb. I was opposed to the bailouts, and believed them to be a mistake. The only way for market corrections if for the market to correct itself, not by government bailouts. They have never worked, and this is once again a part of failed Kenysian economics that don't work!! Do we once again want to revisit how we got to this financial quagmire Sean? Do we want to once again play the Blame Game and point out who is responsible for this economic quagmire?? It wasn't George Bush or the Bush Administration!! On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, VT VirtualTruth thevirtualtr...@gmail.comwrote: LMAO, as you see the argument slipping away, the insults begin. Once again Obama INHERITED these Bail outs he did not create them.. try again. The AIG Bailout began in 2008 The Auto Bailout Began in 2008 The TARP Bailout began in 2008 The Merrill Lynch Bailout Began in 2008 The majority of the additional spending was already COMMITTED before Obama took office. On Apr 16, 4:06 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey SugarShack: Here ya go: http://www.federalbudget.com/ This is all Obama's. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:53 PM, VT VirtualTruth thevirtualtr...@gmail.comwrote: Really? The AIG Bailout began in 2008 The Auto Bailout Began in 2008 The TARP Bailout began in 2008 The Merrill Lynch Bailout Began in 2008 The majority of the additional spending was already COMMITTED before Obama took office. You want to try again with this erroneous statement or better yet you want to supply FACTS
Re: Sarkozy insults worl leaders over lunch
Wonder what he says during snacks? One might recall the acerbic wit of Churchill- maybe on brandy breaks. On Apr 17, 10:47�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/5168147/Nicol... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Interesting bit on healthcare
My favorite site for health questions is the Mayo Clinic- very thorough. You might want to remind yourself that doctors are disease driven to earn an income as are drug companies. On Apr 18, 1:13�am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Blogger C. Steven Tucker http://www.blogger.com/profile/00015699615000177356 said... � � What has our government done, to convince people to hand over our � � very health freedoms for it to govern over? � � Katrina? � � Fannie Mae -- bailout? (this is a government entity who's employee's � � receive bonuses!) What other government employee receives bonuses � � for doing their jobs? � � Social security -- bankrupt ? (robbed for other expenditures) � � Medicaid -- ? (robbed for other expenditures) � � $2 trillion Porkulus bill - ? (and growing) � � AIG -- bail out, yet nobody knows where's the money gone? No � � committee of oversight in place (was promised by our representatives � � to be in place immediately) � � Gas prices - ?(50% of every dollar at the pump goes to Washington) � � But who did you point your finger at as the problem � � Since our government cannot be sued, how will one be able to be � � recompensed for its malfeasance or neglect? How will the government, � � once it tells 300 million people go see the doctor we will pay all � � the bills, be able to control the consequences? By overwhelming our � � medical profession or break it, will come another grand government � � solution, we need more money to fix it! You are already familiar � � and have accepted this excuse for too long, and know this to be � � their power solution. Our government has impoverished our families' � � financial freedom to pay our own way, by immoral taxation. � � Furthermore how has Government run health care worked in other � � countries? Let's get past the emotions and examine the facts. A � � common example used to further the cause of socialized medicine in � � the United States is to point out how well it is working in � � countries such as France and Canada. However, those living in Canada � � know full well that their government run health care program is most � � certainly not working. As a matter of fact, many Canadian citizens � � choose to hire high priced brokers to find them quality health care � � right here in the United States because of the terrible bureaucracy � � that controls all forms of health care in Canada. � � For more about what is really going on with the Canadian health care � � system please watch these short but very informative documentary videos: � �http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php � �http://www.freemarketcure.com/twowomen.php � �http://www.freemarketcure.com/thelemon.php � �http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiXT0P3edfs � � The number of actual uninsured's in the US has also been grossly � � inflated as well. For the real numbers: � �http://www.freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica.php � �http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE-I0ombIEYeurl=http://www.noinsuranc... � � Medical care in the United States is derided as miserable compared � � to health care systems in the rest of the developed world. � � Economists, government officials, insurers and academics alike are � � beating the drum for a far larger government role in health care. � � Much of the public assumes their arguments are sound because the � � calls for change are so ubiquitous and the topic so complex. � � However, before turning to government as the solution, some � � unheralded facts about America's health care system should be � � considered, says Scott W. Atlas, a senior fellow at the Hoover � � Institution and a professor at the Stanford University Medical Center. � � Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers: � � * Breast cancer mortality is 52 percent higher in Germany than in � � the United States, and 88 percent higher in the United Kingdom. � � * Prostate cancer mortality is 604 percent higher in the United � � Kingdom and 457 percent higher in Norway. � � * The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and � � women is about 40 percent higher. � � Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than � � patients in other developed countries: � � * Some 56 percent of Americans who could benefit are taking statins, � � which reduce cholesterol and protect against heart disease. � � * By comparison, of those patients who could benefit from these � � drugs, only 36 percent of the Dutch, 29 percent of the Swiss, 26 � � percent of Germans, 23 percent of Britons and 17 percent of Italians � � receive them. � � Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians: � � * Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes � � self-report excellent health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 � � percent versus 5.8 percent). � � * Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes � �
Re: RHINO's you are seeing the future of the GOP, TeaBaggers! LMAO!
Yes. Wars are expensive along with natural disasters but few are willing to trace this back to the Clintons. And Rumsfeld was fuel for the fire as well as bad intelligence about Iraq. Yes. No household could survive using the model of the present USA government- a bloated spendthift. We shall pay a horrible price as a nation. On Apr 17, 9:49 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: M.A., I agree that the Republican Party lost their way. That there is no justification in the outrageous, out of control spending, it is against every conservative principle and tenet, and against everything that the Republican Party stands for. All that were involved should be removed from office! One factor that should be taken into account however, (which still only justifies a portion of the increase in spending during the periods mentioned) is the attack upon our Nation, and the costs for increased security. Some of the increased security most conservatives were opposed to also. On Apr 16, 4:32 pm, M.A. Johnson micha...@america.net wrote: Four Years Growthby Laurence M. VanceThe American people have been overcharged for Government, and they deserve a refund. ~ President George W. Bush (The Budget Message of the President, 2002)The year 2000 Platform of the Republican Party implied that theRepublican Partywas the party that held the supposedly conservative ideas of fiscal responsibility and smaller government:Since 1994, with Republicans leading the House and Senate, spending has been held to an annual 3.1 percent rate of growth, and the nation’s debt will be nearly $400 billion lower by the end of this year. The federal government has operated in the black for the last two years and is now projected to run a surplus of nearly $5 trillion over the years. We intend to downsize this mess and make government actually do what it is supposed to. A Republican president will run the federal government much as the Republican governors run state agencies. Bureaucracy will be reduced and trimmed in size at its upper echelons.Nothing could be further from the truth, for as has been documented, the idea that the Republican Party is the party of conservatism is amyth. The Republican Party has always been the party ofbig government,plunder, andsellouts. A look at the four years growth of the federal government under the presidency of George Bush confirms and amplifies these facts. The Republicans gained control of the Congress in the third year of Clinton’s first term. They had complete control of the 104thCongress (1995–1997), held on to control in the 105thCongress (1997–1999), and remained in power during the 106thCongress (1999–2001) through the end of Clinton’s presidency. After George Bush was inaugurated in 2001, he had a Republican-controlled 107th Congress (2001–2003) until May 24, 2001, when Jim Jeffords (R-VT) switched from Republican to Independent, changing the Senate from 50/50 to 50 Democrats, 49 Republicans, and 1 Independent. The House remained in Republican hands. The 108th Congress (2003–2005) was once again solidly Republican, giving the Republicans an absolute majority in Congress and the White House for the last two years of Bush’s first term. This means that the Republican Party has no excuse for the size and scope of the federal government as it exists right now. Republicans can’t blame anything on the Democrats like they did for the fifty years before they gained control of the Congress. Now that we are at the end of Bush’s first four years, a simple question needs to be asked: Is the government at the end of Bush’s first term in any way smaller or less expensive than the government at the beginning of his first term. If it is, then Bush and the Republican Party told the truth, but if it isn’t, then Bush’s rhetoric was just hot air and the 2000 Republican Party Platform wasn’t worth the paper it was written on.The Federal BudgetAccording to the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, the president must annually submit a budget to Congress by the first Monday in February. The government’s fiscal year runs from October 1 to September 30. This means that the budget submitted in February is actually for the next fiscal year that begins in October. An outgoing president is not required to submit a budget. And because it is not practical for a new president, who takes office on January 20, to submit a budget within a few days of taking office, he is given extra time to submit a budget his first year in office. On February 28, 2001, President Bush submitted to Congress a FY 2002 summary budget plan calledA Blueprint for New Beginnings – A Responsible Budget for America’s Priorities. In his message to the Congress that begins this document, two comments by the president stand out:Excessive taxation is corroding our prosperity. Government
Re: Bozell: Now the News Isn't Just Biased, It's R-Rated. MSNBC and CNN Owe the Public An Apology
It is difficult to stop laughing at complete lunacy.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
* Now the News Isn't Just Biased, It's R-Rated. MSNBC and CNN Owe the
Public An Apology*
**
*Alexandria, VA – *WARNING: The following contains material that parents
may find unsuitable for younger children. It contains material that is
apparently wholly appropriate from alleged “journalists” on MSNBC and CNN.
Media Research Center President Brent Bozell today reacted to the biased
coverage and the egregious language used by CNN and MSNBC in their “news”
reports on the over 750 Taxed Enough Already (TEA) Parties. The TEA Parties
were held in all fifty states by grassroots Americans concerned for the
nation’s future given the unprecedented prolific spending by Congress and
the Obama Administration.
Rather than report the news, the networks were utterly derisive and
dismissive of the TEA Parties and their participants. Worse still, both used
the oral sex slang-term “tea-bagging” to disparagingly depict what ordinary
Americans were said to be doing in attending them. (“Tea-bagging” in the
sexual sense is inserting one’s testicles into someone’s mouth.)
MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and her guest, liberal Air America’s Ana Marie Cox,
combined to use the term “teabag” at least 51 times in a 13-minute segment.
At one point, Cox said there’s “a lot of love in tea-bagging.”
Maddow’s MSNBC cohort, anchor David Shuster, also uttered the vulgar phrase
and made a total of twelve separate oral-sexual puns in his April 13th
attack on the event.
The next night, CNN’s Anderson Cooper twice interrupted his guest, analyst
David Gergen, to gleefully declare “tea-bagging” while Gergen was stating
that he thought Republicans had nothing to say, and then followed Gergen’s
statement with the guttural “It’s hard to talk when you’re tea-bagging.”
Brent Bozell:
*“What an utterly embarrassing and crude display by MSNBC and CNN. It
appears they’ve decided that since they can’t be any more biased in their
coverage, they’ll ramp up the vulgarity instead. *
*“Now the news isn’t just biased, it’s R-rated. MSNBC and CNN both allow
this vulgar attack-journalism to go out on their airwaves without blinking
an eye and without any sign of guilt. It appears neither woeful bias nor
lowly crassness on their airwaves bothers them a bit. *
*“MSNBC and CNN owe these decent Americans an apology for the slimy,
smarmy attacks they perpetrated in ‘covering’ the TEA Parties. Ordinary
citizens exercising their First Amendment rights in over 750 cities and
towns deserve the media’s coverage, not their sleaze-riddled condemnation.”
*
Dan Gainor, MRC’s Vice President of Business and Culture:
*“First the major media ignored these grassroots protests. Then when they
happen, they do everything they can to demean the ordinary Americans who are
exercising free speech. Real journalists care about such things.”*
Latest Tea Party posts from the *Business Media
Institutehttp://www.businessandmedia.org/
;* on the *NewsBusters
blog.http://newsbusters.org/issues-events-groups/events/tea-parties
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Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
By Seton Motley
April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary
American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and
obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting.
Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 - Rupert
Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put her over
the edge.
Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was
undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it caused a
server meltdown.
Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a break.
*TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus:
'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a
legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the
news on her own (de)merit again today.
One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was that the
TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly promoted by the
right-wing conservative network Fox.
Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker, Miss
Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile Murdoch
machine.
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Pentagon Memorial (magnificent)
From: Travis
Subject: Pentagon Memorial (magnificent)
http://www.pentagonmemorialphotos.com/
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State Department Lists Texas As Foreign Country
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: State Department Lists Texas As Foreign Country
http://www.roguegovernment.com/index.php?news_id=15274
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Muzzie pirates as victims
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Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2009
Subject: Muzzie pirates as victims
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/10290
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Top 40 Reasons to Support Gun Control
From: *Travis* Subject: Top 40 Reasons to Support Gun Control http://geekpolitics.com/top-40-reasons-to-support-gun-control/ Top 40 Reasons to Support Gun Control By Derek Clark 1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, and Chicago cops need guns. 2. Washington DC’s low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA’s high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control. 3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are “just statistics.” 4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994, are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991. 5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid. 6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals. 7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you. 8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet. 9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should “put up no defense — give them what they want, or run” (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don’t Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125). 10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns and Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery. 11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for spinal paralysis, a computer programmer for Y2K problems, and Sarah Brady [or Sheena Duncan, Adele Kirsten, Peter Storey, etc.] for firearms expertise. 12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903. 13. The National Guard, funded by the federal government, occupying property leased to the federal government, using weapons owned by the federal government, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a state militia. 14. These phrases,” right of the people peaceably to assemble,” “right of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumeration’s herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,” and “The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people,” all refer to individuals, but “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state. 15. We don’t need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution. 16. Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary to national defense, which is why the army has millions of them. 17. Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns, because they serve no military purpose, and private citizens shouldn’t have “assault rifles,” because they are military weapons. 18. The ready availability of guns today, with waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting, government forms, et cetera, is responsible for recent school shootings,compared to the lack of school shootings in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s, which resulted from the availability of guns at hardware stores, surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, mail order, et cetera. 19. The NRA’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, and the anti-gun lobby’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign is responsible social activity. 20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy. 21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20. 22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is “an accident waiting to happen” and gun makers’ advertisements aimed at women are “preying on their fears.” 23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed. 24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows. 25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves. 26. A self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a “weapon of mass destruction” or an “assault weapon.” 27. Most people can’t be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted. 28. The right of online pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights. 29. Free speech entitles one to
Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
Good Morning Travis!!! LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!! On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: By Seton Motley April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting. Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 - Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put her over the edge. Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it caused a server meltdown. Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a break. *TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus: 'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the news on her own (de)merit again today. One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox. Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker, Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile Murdoch machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much finished, at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same thing about John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped him.,.I could be wrong. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Good Morning Travis!!! LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!! On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: By Seton Motley April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting. Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 - Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put her over the edge. Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it caused a server meltdown. Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a break. *TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus: 'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the news on her own (de)merit again today. One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox. Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker, Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile Murdoch machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
Morning Keith. I expect NBC to hire her for the evening news as a challenge
to Katie Crapuric.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much finished,
at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same thing about
John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped him.,.I
could be wrong.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
Good Morning Travis!!!
LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
By Seton Motley
April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary
American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and
obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting.
Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 -
Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put
her over the edge.
Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was
undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it caused a
server meltdown.
Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a
break.
*TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus:
'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a
legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the
news on her own (de)merit again today.
One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was that
the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly promoted by
the right-wing conservative network Fox.
Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker,
Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile
Murdoch
machine.
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DHS Rightwing Extremism Document Created During Bush Administration
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From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: DHS Rightwing Extremism Document Created During Bush Administration
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Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
LOL!! On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: Morning Keith. I expect NBC to hire her for the evening news as a challenge to Katie Crapuric. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much finished, at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same thing about John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped him.,.I could be wrong. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote: Good Morning Travis!!! LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!! On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote: I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX. On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: By Seton Motley April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting. Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 - Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put her over the edge. Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it caused a server meltdown. Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a break. *TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus: 'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the news on her own (de)merit again today. One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox. Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker, Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile Murdoch machine. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fwd: [GunIssues] Are you a Rightwing Extremist? As defined by the DHS/Office of Intelligence, I am a Rightwing Extremist and so is the majority of Americans.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Hot Shot http://wnd.com/images/dhs-rightwing-extremism.pdf Excerpts from the U. S. Department of Home Land Security report on Rightwing Extremism: ** (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.* *(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.* In other words, your 1st Amendment Rights are being eroded. When the 1stAmendment falls, a Domino Effect will occur that will wipe out all the Rights that you enjoy as an American Citizen, and your life will be that of a Slave. Don’t believe me? Then you are asleep and not paying attention to what is happening here in America. What you see here is a ploy by the Obama Administration to cause an uprising in American so he can turn around and say “You see, I was right about these people” as he mows them down with machineguns. He knows and everyone in America knows that the government has extremely limited the size and type of guns that Americans can own. What we have is absolutely no match to the might of the U. S. Military and any violent opposition would be suicide. Yet, Obama is desperately trying to provoke an event. The Obama Administration is trying to make this into a Race issue when it is about Ideals rather than Race. As for having an African/American President, I would prefer Alan Keys who is even more African/American than Barack Obama. Barack Obama is one-half White and one-half Black while Alan Keys is 100% Black. So where is the racism? America is asleep, just as it was as the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and just as it was asleep on 9/11. Our only real alternative is to wake up and try convincing our Senators and Representatives to stand against the Obama Administration’s Leftwing Radical agenda. America will fall if she is not awakened! *President Ronald Ragan:* * * *“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the **United States** where men were free.”* *Patrick Henryhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/patrickhen101581.html :* *“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”** ** * *Ron Odom* *Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our Country said: It cannot be Emphasized too strongly or too often that this Great nation was founded not by religionists but By Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.* http://www.nranews.com/nranews.aspx http://www.nranews.com/nra.html __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/message/11725;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NWthYzk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRtc2dJZAMxMTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODgEdHBjSWQDMTE3MjU-( 1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyY2dlczBzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRtc2dJZAMxMTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-?act=replymessageNum=11725| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZnE0NzQ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdWZxcnBpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMDAwbDljBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjQwMDU3OTg4| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcnRiZ3ZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-| Linkshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbjVnbXBxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMjQwMDU3OTg4|
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The Angry Left is still angry
perhaps it because their ideology requires anger rather than thoughtful policies... And instead of showing their anger at Obama, they blame the innocent just to yell at someone... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/17/AR2009041702639.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 A reader from Rockville described it as a sore winner phenomenon. People get used to being angry and when things change, they don't. So they find stuff to be mad about. Another said that some on the left feel obligated to stay in the fight because of the harsh treatment of Obama by the right. But many focused on a frustration on the left caused by Obama's centrism -- his opposition to prosecuting those involved with torture, for example. I am angry because the whole Republican party has not been rounded up and thrown into a black site, one wrote. A reader in Evanston, Ill., took a similar view, that true believers on the left don't want b.s. rhetoric about looking forward. Okay, but why wouldn't this be directed at Obama? Readers explained that some of it is. But, if we yell obscenities at Obama, replied a reader in Dunnellon, Fla., we get a visit from the Secret Service. Yelling them at you is worry-free. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Angry Left is still angry
Interesting, column. I don't read Dana Milibank's columns with regularity, but she is close to right on this issue. The far left has been hateful, arrogant, and just downright mean for years. As I have said on numerous occasions, there are many from the left, that believe themselves to be, More Tolerant, Kinder, Gentler, and More Enlightened, and are none of the above. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: perhaps it because their ideology requires anger rather than thoughtful policies... And instead of showing their anger at Obama, they blame the innocent just to yell at someone... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/17/AR2009041702639.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 A reader from Rockville described it as a sore winner phenomenon. People get used to being angry and when things change, they don't. So they find stuff to be mad about. Another said that some on the left feel obligated to stay in the fight because of the harsh treatment of Obama by the right. But many focused on a frustration on the left caused by Obama's centrism -- his opposition to prosecuting those involved with torture, for example. I am angry because the whole Republican party has not been rounded up and thrown into a black site, one wrote. A reader in Evanston, Ill., took a similar view, that true believers on the left don't want b.s. rhetoric about looking forward. Okay, but why wouldn't this be directed at Obama? Readers explained that some of it is. But, if we yell obscenities at Obama, replied a reader in Dunnellon, Fla., we get a visit from the Secret Service. Yelling them at you is worry-free. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I would think the Globe would consider this her right when it came to the fetus
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Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
I made a comment on another thread about Garafolo. I said I hoped her
character on 24 would turn out to be the traaitor as that would fit her
perfectly.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
LOL!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Morning Keith. I expect NBC to hire her for the evening news as a
challenge to Katie Crapuric.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much finished,
at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same thing about
John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped him.,.I
could be wrong.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
Good Morning Travis!!!
LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
By Seton Motley
April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary
American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and
obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting.
Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 -
Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that put
her over the edge.
Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was
undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it
caused a
server meltdown.
Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a
break.
*TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus:
'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a
legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the
news on her own (de)merit again today.
One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was
that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly
promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.
Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to Gawker,
Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the EEE-vile
Murdoch
machine.
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Re: [GunIssues] Are you a Rightwing Extremist? As defined by the DHS/Office of Intelligence, I am a Rightwing Extremist and so is the majority of Americans.
Damn right I am. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:20 AM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.comwrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Hot Shot http://wnd.com/images/dhs-rightwing-extremism.pdf Excerpts from the U. S. Department of Home Land Security report on Rightwing Extremism: ** (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.* *(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.* In other words, your 1st Amendment Rights are being eroded. When the 1stAmendment falls, a Domino Effect will occur that will wipe out all the Rights that you enjoy as an American Citizen, and your life will be that of a Slave. Don’t believe me? Then you are asleep and not paying attention to what is happening here in America. What you see here is a ploy by the Obama Administration to cause an uprising in American so he can turn around and say “You see, I was right about these people” as he mows them down with machineguns. He knows and everyone in America knows that the government has extremely limited the size and type of guns that Americans can own. What we have is absolutely no match to the might of the U. S. Military and any violent opposition would be suicide. Yet, Obama is desperately trying to provoke an event. The Obama Administration is trying to make this into a Race issue when it is about Ideals rather than Race. As for having an African/American President, I would prefer Alan Keys who is even more African/American than Barack Obama. Barack Obama is one-half White and one-half Black while Alan Keys is 100% Black. So where is the racism? America is asleep, just as it was as the Japanese attacked Pearl Harborand just as it was asleep on 9/11. Our only real alternative is to wake up and try convincing our Senators and Representatives to stand against the Obama Administration’s Leftwing Radical agenda. America will fall if she is not awakened! *President Ronald Ragan:* * * *“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the **United States** where men were free.”* *Patrick Henryhttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/p/patrickhen101581.html :* *“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”** ** * *Ron Odom* *Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our Country said: It cannot be Emphasized too strongly or too often that this Great nation was founded not by religionists but By Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.* http://www.nranews.com/nranews.aspx http://www.nranews.com/nra.html __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/message/11725;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NWthYzk4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRtc2dJZAMxMTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODgEdHBjSWQDMTE3MjU- (1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyY2dlczBzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRtc2dJZAMxMTcyNQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-?act=replymessageNum=11725| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZnE0NzQ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdWZxcnBpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMDAwbDljBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjQwMDU3OTg4| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/GunIssues/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcnRiZ3ZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE0NjE1OTg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MDY4MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyNDAwNTc5ODg-|
Re: more fyi...
Truth sometimes hurts (the pocketbook).
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 5:58 AM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.comwrote:
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Date: Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Subject: more fyi...
To: bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com
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MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
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GM Legislator Road Test video
From: Travis
Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2009
Subject: GM Legislator Road Test video
http://www.greatamericanjournal.com/video/GMLegislatorTest.htm
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janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
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ATTENTION FELLOW CITIZENS: ISLAMObama kick starts his grand scheme for revoking the 2nd Amendment Bare Naked Islams Weblog
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: ATTENTION FELLOW CITIZENS: ISLAMObama kick starts his grand scheme
for revoking the 2nd Amendment Bare Naked Islams Weblog
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Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
Hey Travis!!
I have been looking for that video of her calling all thinking Americans
racist. Have you seen it? Do you have a link to it?? That video clip
needs to be posted to the board, for all Americans to see how hateful,
misguided and just outright wacko the far left, and in particular, NBC News
is!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I made a comment on another thread about Garafolo. I said I hoped her
character on 24 would turn out to be the traaitor as that would fit her
perfectly.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
LOL!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Morning Keith. I expect NBC to hire her for the evening news as a
challenge to Katie Crapuric.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much
finished, at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same
thing about John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped
him.,.I could be wrong.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com
wrote:
Good Morning Travis!!!
LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
By Seton Motley
April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary
American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and
obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting.
Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 -
Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that
put
her over the edge.
Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was
undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it
caused a
server meltdown.
Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a
break.
*TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus:
'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her a
legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in the
news on her own (de)merit again today.
One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was
that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly
promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.
Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to
Gawker, Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the
EEE-vile
Murdoch machine.
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Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Beams Home First Images
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Beams Home First Images
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090416/sc_space/planethuntingspacecraftbeamshomefirstimages
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Re: janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
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Re: CNN's Fox-Bashing/Fox-Job Applying Roesgen 'Tak(ing) a Break'; Applied At FOX News Twice; Was Turned Down.....
I think I have about 3 diffferent sources that it has been in. Let me see
if I can fond it and I will post it here on both groups.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
Hey Travis!!
I have been looking for that video of her calling all thinking Americans
racist. Have you seen it? Do you have a link to it?? That video clip
needs to be posted to the board, for all Americans to see how hateful,
misguided and just outright wacko the far left, and in particular, NBC News
is!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I made a comment on another thread about Garafolo. I said I hoped her
character on 24 would turn out to be the traaitor as that would fit her
perfectly.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
LOL!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
Morning Keith. I expect NBC to hire her for the evening news as a
challenge to Katie Crapuric.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com
wrote:
I do imagine that this gal, Susan Whuz-Her-Name, is pretty much
finished, at least on the National scene.Of course, I thought the same
thing about John Stossel twenty years ago, when that rassler bitch slapped
him.,.I could be wrong.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
Good Morning Travis!!!
LOL!! You took the words right out of my mouth!!!
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
I bet CNN wishes they had been as lucky as FOX.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Keith In Tampa
keithinta...@gmail.com wrote:
By Seton Motley
April 17, 2009 - 16:48 ET
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen has had a rough week, what with all the ordinary
American/First Amendment practitioners bashing she so passionately and
obnoxiously delivered in her TEA Party reporting.
Perhaps it was the sniping at the place she twice applied in 2005 -
Rupert Murdoch's House of Ratings, otherwise known as Fox News - that
put
her over the edge.
Or whether or not her email box was so overwhelmed with what was
undoubtedly an endless stream of love letters and fan mail that it
caused a
server meltdown.
Whatever it was, CNN has announced that Miss Roesgen's tak(ing) a
break.
*TVNewser* gives some of their possibilities for the hiatus:
'Anti-CNN' TEA Party Reporter Rejected for Gig at Fox News - Twice
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/seton-motley/2009/04/17/cnns-fox-bashing-fox-job-applying-roesgen-tak-ing-break
CNN's Susan Roesgen, whose anti-TEA Party pseudo-reporting made her
a legend in her own mind, and a biased Obama-flack hack in ours, is in
the
news on her own (de)merit again today.
One peculiar line from one of her peculiar rant-filled reports was
that the TEA Parties were being anti-CNN because they were highly
promoted by the right-wing conservative network Fox.
Well it turns out she wasn't always so anti-Fox. According to
Gawker, Miss Roesgen not once but twice applied to get a gig at the
EEE-vile
Murdoch machine.
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Now here's a guy who is a fine example of what our betters are trying to do
http://www.boston.com/ae/media/articles/2009/04/18/writing_off_rush/ Let me guess that this guy has never been in flyover country and really has no idea what the rest of the place is like. I would also bet that in person he is a smug guy, the kind of person who got punched out for being such a jerk in school. He is also probably somewho has lived in his little cocoon with all these people patting him on the head and saying such a bright little boy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
Probably couldn't his a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle.
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/janet-napolitano-is-janet-reno-without-the-grace-and-beauty-charles-clemans-noted-author
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Compare the op-ed to the comments - makes you all warm and fuzzy about the beliefs of the left
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And here is the left message writ large
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If you dont like my magic negro youre racist
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: If you dont like my magic negro youre racist
http://sheikyermami.com/2009/04/18/if-you-dont-like-my-magic-negro-youre-racist/
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Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Bail Out Newspaper Plan For Creating Licenses To Govern News Operations - BlackListed News
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: Obama Appointee Suggests Radical Bail Out Newspaper Plan For
Creating Licenses To Govern News Operations - BlackListed News
http://blacklistednews.com/?news_id=3948
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Sounds like a good plan to me
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Interesting that this guy points out the things that Barney Frank wants to hide
'The Largest Failure' J.P. Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon on the lessons of Fan and Fred. Article more in Opinion Email Printer Friendly Share: Yahoo Buzz facebook MySpace LinkedIn Digg del.icio.us NewsVine StumbleUpon Mixx Text Size 'Perhaps the largest regulatory failure of all time." That's how J.P. Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon describes the "inadequate regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" in his annual shareholder letter, released this week. Mr. Dimon devotes nearly a quarter of the 28-page letter to analyzing what caused the panic of 2008, and he hands out plenty of blame all around. But he calls it "amazing" that Fannie and Freddie were allowed to grow "larger than the Federal Reserve" thanks to Uncle Sam's implicit guarantee of their obligations. Mr. Dimon gets obviousness points for observing that Fan and Fred's regulator "clearly was not up to the task," but he's too polite, or cautious, to say why: For years, the two mortgage giants twisted arms on Capitol Hill to keep that regulator weak, and Fan and Fred's Beltway friends obliged. Today, of course, all those same enablers claim that they really did want better regulation, and it was the "other guys" who stood in the way. But that wasn't the tune that Barney Frank, for example, was singing when he advocated "rolling the dice" on Fan and Fred's "safety and soundness" in exchange for more money for affordable housing. In his letter, Mr. Dimon raises a cry of "never again." But as we move toward creating a "systemic risk regulator" that supposedly will bring to heel two dozen of the largest and most politically savvy financial institutions in the world, the lessons of Fannie, Freddie and their hapless regulator remain all too relevant. Please add your comments to the Opinion Journal forum. Jamie Dimon must know whereof he speaks - check his bio. I thought he was at Citigroup while I was a consultant there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Dimon
Re: Tea Parties Are Missing the Point
Keith In Tampa Interesting perspective, especially coming from Robert L. Johnson, the founder of BET Television, and one of the biggest racists in all of America. Johnson is acceptable in polite, far left socialist-elitist-extremist circles as snip MJ Are you capable of reasoned discourse? So much of your efforts are merely simplistic fallacy. Why not address the words, concepts and ideas presented? Regard$, --MJ “Nowadays the individual is born into the State, and the secular registration of birth is the national rite of baptism. With tender solicitude the State follows the individual through life, teaching him in patriotic schools the national catechism, and commemorating his vital crises by formal registration not only of his birth, but likewise of his marriage, of the birth of his children, and of his death. And the death of national potentates and heroes is celebrated by patriotic pomp and circumstance that make the obsequies of a mediæval bishop seem drab Nationalism's chief symbol of faith and central object of morality is the flag, and curious liturgical forms have been devised for 'saluting’ the flag, for 'dipping' the flag, and for ‘hoisting' the flag Nationalism has its parades, processions and pilgrimages. It has, moreover, its distinctive holy days, and just as the Christian Church adapted certain pagan festivals to its own use, so the National State has naturally borrowed from Christianity Every national State has a 'theology -- a more or less systematised body of official doctrines which have been deduced from the precepts of the 'Fathers' and from admonitions of the national scriptures, and which reflect the 'genius of the people' and constitute a guide to national behavior.” -- Historian Carlton J. H. Hayes (quoted by Albert Jay Nock) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Wonder if the govt realizes what this is doing to us
I note that a professor who voted for Obama was very upset when she bought gas for her car and it was a combination of petrol and ethanol. Instead of a small decline in gas mileage her mileage dropped from 31 mpg to 16 mpg for a 4-cyl Audi. She ended up shopping around for gasoline that did not contain ethanol and her mileage went right back up to 31 mpg. She also mentioned that the car did not run well on the ethanol combo. Yet what is Zero trying to do but push ethanol on the whole country. Just what we need - lower mileage and engine problems. And then they push the CAFE mileage requirements higher while forcing the country to use fuel that lowers mileage. I want major apologies from those idiots who gave us this POS we have as president. OPINION: CROSS COUNTRY APRIL 18, 2009 The Ethanol Bubble Pops in Iowa More evidence the fuel makes little economic sense. Article more in Opinion Email Printer Friendly Share: Yahoo Buzz facebook MySpace LinkedIn Digg del.icio.us NewsVine StumbleUpon Mixx Text Size By MAX SCHULZ Dyersville, Iowa In September, ethanol giant VeraSun Energy opened a refinery on the outskirts of this eastern Iowa community. Among the largest biofuels facilities in the country, the Dyersville plant could process 39 million bushels of corn and produce 110 million gallons of ethanol annually. VeraSun boasted the plant could run 24 hours a day, seven days a week to meet the demand for home-grown energy. But the only thing happening 24-7 at the Dyersville plant these days is nothing at all. Its doors are shut and corn deliveries are turned away. Touring the facility recently, I saw dozens of rail cars sitting idle. They've been there through the long, bleak winter. Two months after Dyersville opened, VeraSun filed for bankruptcy, closing many of its 14 plants and laying off hundreds of employees. VeraSun lost $476 million in the third quarter last year. A town of 4,000, Dyersville is best known as the location of the 1989 film "Field of Dreams." In the film, a voice urges Kevin Costner to create a baseball diamond in a cornfield and the ghosts of baseball past emerge from the ether to play ball. Audiences suspended disbelief as they were charmed by a story that blurred the lines between fantasy and reality. That's pretty much the story of ethanol. Consumers were asked to suspend disbelief as policy makers blurred the lines between economic reality and a business model built on fantasies of a better environment and energy independence through ethanol. Notwithstanding federal subsidies and mandates that force-feed the biofuel to the driving public, ethanol is proving to be a bust. In the fourth quarter of 2008, Aventine Renewable Energy, a large ethanol producer, lost $37 million despite selling a company record 278 million gallons of the biofuel. Last week it filed for bankruptcy. California's Pacific Ethanol lost $146 million last year and has defaulted on $250 million in loans. It recently told regulators that it will likely run out of cash by April 30. How could this be? The federal government gives ethanol producers a generous 51-cent-a-gallon tax credit and mandates that a massive amount of their fuel be blended into the nation's gasoline supplies. And those mandates increase every year. This year the mandate is 11 billion gallons and is on its way to 36 billion gallons in 2022. To meet this political demand, VeraSun, Pacific Ethanol, Aventine Renewable Energy and others rushed to build ethanol mills. The industry produced just four billion gallons of ethanol in 2005, so it had to add a lot of capacity in a short period of time. Three years ago, ethanol producers made $2.30 per gallon. But with the global economic slowdown, along with a glut of ethanol on the market, by the end of 2008 ethanol producers were making a mere 25 cents per gallon. That drop forced Dyersville and other facilities to be shuttered. The industry cut more than 20% of its capacity in a few months last year. What's more, as ethanol producers sucked in a vast amount of corn, prices of milk, eggs and other foods soared. The price of corn shot up, as did the price of products from animals -- chickens and cows -- that eat feed corn. Texas Gov. Rick Perry reacted by standing with the cattlemen in his state to ask the Environmental Protection Agency last year to suspend part of the ethanol mandates (which it has the power to do under the 2007 energy bill). The EPA turned him down flat. The Consumer Price Index later revealed that retail food prices in 2008 were up 10% over 2006. In Mexico, rising prices led to riots over the cost of tortillas in 2007. The United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization and other international organizations issued reports last year criticizing biofuels for a spike in food prices. Ethanol is also bad for the environment. Science magazine
Re: RHINO's you are seeing the future of the GOP, TeaBaggers! LMAO!
LMAO, your message was confusing because it was wrong. You were comparing Obama's 'record deficit' to all eight years of Bush's BUDGETS and THEN said it was 4 TIMES\the size! So forgive me if I challenged it especially when your proof did not support this comment. I will read your post, look at the facts, then explain the results to you. For instance, the 2008 Bailouts though added to the 2009 Budget are deficits Obama inherited. Also I want to make sure interest is not also added to the figure. Obama inherited a $600,000 Billion deficit BEFORE the 2008 Bailouts were even added on $600 Billion X 8 Years is already $4.8 Trillion of Inherited Deficits that are a carry over from Bush. To say this is Obama's Fault and to blame him for this deficit spending is truly disingenuous! Obama inherited HLS and the Medicare Drug Program and the AIG, TARP, AUTO, Merrill Lynch, and other bailouts. Remember this fact. On Apr 16, 5:17 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: The record deficit that you reference, is a small drop in the bucket as compared to the current record deficit which is four times the size of all eight years of the Bush Administration's budgets. You still don't get it!!! On Apr 18, 9:15 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Good Morning SugarShack!! If my message confused you, I apologize. I am not the one who is breaking the bad news to you, it is the Congressional Budget office. These deficit figures, without a doubt, will require President Obama and his Administration to significanty raise taxes, such as the recent tobacco tax and other ingenuitive taxes upon the American People. For instance, the Congress (and Obama) are talking about raising taxes on Power Companies, which will be indirectly passed on to you. Taxes on all corporations will be levied against you SugarShack!! By the Congressional Budget Offices' calculations, the Obama Administration's budget would generate approximately 1 trillion to as high as 1.8 trillion. (*See* link attachments below). You might recall, that the Bush deficit, was estimated to be approximately 480 Billion. Here is a link referencing such a deficit: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/2009.deficit/index.html These numbers are just staggering and hard for me to comprehend, but I do have a calculator. If these numbers are accurate, then they do in fact exceed the Bush Administration's deficit budget spending by more than four times the amount!! Still confused Sean??? ** *==* ** *Obama's budget FOUR TIMES THE DEFICITS OF BUSH* **http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-233039 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget **http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/20/budget-defici... WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's budget would produce $9.3 trillion in deficits over the next decade, more than four times the deficits of Republican George W. Bush's presidency, congressional auditors said Friday. The new Congressional Budget Office figures offered a far more dire outlook for Obama's budget than the new administration predicted just last month — a deficit $2.3 trillion worse. *It's a prospect even the president's own budget director called unsustainable.* In his White House run, *Obama assailed the economic policies of his predecessor*, but the eye-popping deficit numbers threaten to swamp his ambitious agenda of overhauling health care, exploring new energy sources and enacting scores of domestic programs. The dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, inevitably raise the prospect that Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress *would have* ** ** ** *to* *consider raising taxes after the recession ends* ** ** ** *or else pare back his agenda.* ** ** By CBO's calculation, Obama's budget would *generate deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year of red ink over 2010-2019.* *WORST OF ALL*, CBO says the deficit under Obama's policies *would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable*. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level. White House budget chief Peter Orszag said that CBO's long-range economic projections are more pessimistic than those of the White House, private economists and the Federal Reserve and that he remained confident that Obama's budget, if enacted, would produce smaller deficits. Even so, Orszag acknowledged that if the CBO projections prove accurate, Obama's budget would produce deficits that could not be sustained. Deficits in the, let's say, 5 percent of GDP range would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios that would ultimately not be sustainable, Orszag told reporters. Deficits so big put upward pressure on interest rates as the
And yet these same capitalists vote to take it all away
OPINION APRIL 18, 2009 Good Grub and the Spirit of Capitalism Why New York food is so good. Article more in Opinion Email Printer Friendly Share: Yahoo Buzz facebook MySpace LinkedIn Digg del.icio.us NewsVine StumbleUpon Mixx Text Size By JOSEPH EPSTEIN I recently spent a week in New York City, during which I ate no bad meals. Nor did I dine at outrageous expense. My wife was with me, and we had no checks much above $100 for the two of us, and many several dollars beneath that. Even in the plushest of times, I consider all restaurant meals $250 and above immoral, and will agree to be taken to them only by people I actively dislike. We had two meals -- a lunch and a dinner -- at our favorite Italian restaurant, Cellini, on East 54th Street, which has grown-up male waiters who aren't waiting for a call to audition for a play, and where even the water tastes good. I had lunch with an editor at Molyvos, a Greek restaurant on Seventh Avenue that was a substantial cut above the innumerable Greek restaurants in Chicago, where I live. I had an unforgettable hamburger -- and you would think it fairly easy to forget a hamburger -- at O'Neal's near Lincoln Center. A former student took my wife and me to a recently opened fantastic Belgian restaurant on Amsterdam Avenue. And one night, not very hungry, we stopped for soup at Europa, kitty-corner from Carnegie Hall. Here, too, simple bowls of soup were high quality. Everything, everywhere we went, tasted great. Manhattan must have 300, perhaps 400, splendid restaurants. I estimate that Chicago has, at the outside, 30, and San Francisco, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., respectively probably not more than that. Why is this? How to account for this plentitude of good restaurant food in Manhattan? Demand has a lot to do with it. By this I don't mean demand as in the old economists' formula of supply and demand. What I mean is that New Yorkers are, and always have been, more demanding than any other Americans when it comes to what they eat. Years ago, when I worked in New York, I used occasionally to grab a quick lunch at a luncheonette, as they were then called, on the corner of Fifth Avenue and 15th Street. The place had no tables, only a long counter, so that one could hear other people's orders. I recall vividly the extraordinary specificity of customers' requests. "I want a sardine sandwich, on rye, lightly toasted, with a very thin slice of onion -- last time the slice was a little too thick -- with a gentle rinse of lemon between the onion and the sardines. Pickle on a separate plate." New Yorkers tend to order food as if they are spoiled children dining in their mothers' kitchens. They demand excellent service, which includes accommodation for their idiosyncrasies (that pickle on the separate plate). If they do not get what they want, they howl, return food, do not return to the restaurant, and verbally torch the place. If you open a restaurant in New York, you had better be good, or you will soon be gone. In Chicago, I have known wretched restaurants that have stayed in business for 30 or more years. Stoic, tired, meek people in the city of the big shoulders tend to shrug, swallow and bear it. In my own neighborhood, a Chinese restaurant of appalling quality has been in business for more than 40 years. Its specialty -- if it may be said to have one -- is contemptuous older waiters, whose own English is indecipherable and who pretend, impatiently, not to understand yours. After steering clear of it for more than 20 years, I thought perhaps there might have been a change of ownership, and the other day walked in at lunchtime to order kung pao chicken to go. The kung had no pao, and the chicken was a disgrace to the honorable name of poultry. Of the bitterness of the sauce and the gloppiness of the rice, let us not speak. In Manhattan, the joint wouldn't have lasted three weeks. If you are going to start a restaurant in Manhattan, you had better have something extraordinary in mind: Food of a kind not available elsewhere, or done better than anyone else is currently doing it. I don't know if Thurman Arnold or Joseph Schumpeter or any of the other theorists of the inner mechanics of capitalism have hitherto spoken of it, but there is, in capitalism, operating at a sufficiently intense level, a spirit of competition that can bring out the best in everyone, at least in those realms where you cannot fake it. Something similar operates in professional sports -- the Major Leagues, the NBA and the NFL. Room exists only for the best. What is operating here is the reverse of Gresham's Law, with the good driving out the bad, and in the gastronomic realm the result is splendid food. Next time I feel a craving for Chinese food, I'm ordering take-out from Shun Lee on West 65th Street in New York. I'm sure they deliver; the only question is can they
The French and American Revolutions differred in the former was a SOCIAL Revolution
That the same conflict between two very different styles and Philosophies of governance is playing out in Lebanon today is telling... BUt the MSM will not point out the difference nor report these types of stories... http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/057544.html Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Seeyasah: Lebanese Hezbollah consider the victory of the pro-government candidates in southern Lebanon to be a challenge. Quoting a Lebanese parliamentarian, Al-Seeyasah reports that Hezbollah leaders and members of the Amel Organization are working to prevent the March 14th Alliance candidates (who support the Lebanese government) from winning in the parliamentary elections held in the city of Saida, in the southern part of that country; such a victory could mean that the American- Saudi plan is succeeding over the Tehran-Damascus plan. According to this source, Hezbollah and Amel groups have prepared themselves for a confrontation with Fouad Siniora’s supporters should they win in southern Lebanon. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Are You Kidding Me?
The problem with what you are saying is that if the movement had a leader the media would immediately point to him as telling them what to believe and what to say and what to do and that the people go along like sheep. The beauty of the Tea Party movement is that it is just regular people who are coming together to protest what the government is doing to them. It is not some movement funded by a Soros figure that is doing all this. You don't have people who are essentially employees of this billionaire and who fly all over the world in first class to protest like Medea Benjamin and Cindy Sheehan and bloggers like Jane Hamsher and Wonkette and Matt Yglesias who are paid to put out the latest talking points. You don't have morning calls where the acolytes get together to set the talking point agenda to be followed by all or they will be thrown out of the club. That is what is so obvious when you look at the television reporters like that numbskull in Chicago. She was just too open in the way she dissed the people until that suburban housewife read her beads right well and then she kept looking for someplace to hide. This will be, I hope, the start of the people letting the Barney Franks and Chris Dodds and Nan Pelosis and Harry Reids and Obamas of the world that we are not happy with the way they are taking the country. If it holds together and grown naturally, then we may succeed. It is still better than being led by the nose by such as Soros and the Congressmen and Senators who are there right now. The sooner we can get rid of that crew the better. M.A. Johnson wrote On 04/18/2009 12:44 PM: *Are You Kidding Me? *by Don Cooper I watched closely all the tea parties all over the country Wednesday. What a showing of national pride and solidarity. What a showing of subservient compliance and casual indifference. What a joke. In Lafayette Park, Washington D.C., of all places to protest, the plan was to dump one million tea bags in the park, but the brave dissidents never did it because they forgot to get the proper permits. Are you kidding me? What is civil disobedience without civil disobedience? They even went so far as to say that they were willing to put down plastic tarps and clean up after themselves. That’s like saying we don’t agree with your oppressive, unconstitutional despotism of our nation and to show our ire in no uncertain terms we’re going to break public law and disrupt the peace so take that, nah- nah-ne-boo-boo. But don’t worry because we’ll put everything back when we’re done as if nothing happened cuz we don’t want any trouble! Videos on the Internet http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=tea+party+washingtonemb=0aq=f#q=tea+party+lafayette+parkemb=0 of Lafayette Park show people standing around in their trendy turtlenecks and Tommy Hilfiger and North Face jackets, chatting, socializing, drinking coffee and talking on their cell phones. Some dressed in colonial garb (how cute) and waving flags. Others even break into a rendition of the Star Spangled Banner followed by a chant of USA, USA, USA. What a terrific show of meaningless symbolism. Who are they chanting to? The buildings in front of them? The birds in the trees? Themselves? What was this supposed to do, because it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to surmise that it did NOTHING! All the politicians were inside, smugly and comfortably seated in their expensive leather chairs that we paid for. They were discussing their next round of special interest pandering and deficit spending at our expense while we mingled as if at a, well, tea party. But not the sort of 1773 but rather more like the sort at 4 p.m. in England that is served with crumpets. The politicians could have cared less about the goings on outside and NO ONE took it to them. Shame on us. No one made sure they took notice. No one was put out one bit. No economic loss to the government whatsoever, as was the purpose of the original tea party, so why should they notice? Is this like giving to a charity? You write a check to feed a starving child for 10 cents a day in some far off, nameless, faceless country and you feel better about yourself? I attended a tea party in the Midwest on Wednesday and there were only about 200 people there. And it was literally a tea party: people came with their coffee mugs and sandwiches, holding signs and standing around and chatting and socializing and then everyone went home. No passion. No signs of real frustration or discontent. No real commitment to changing anything. You know why? Because nobody wants to fire the first shot! Everybody wants change, but only if they don’t have to pay for it. Only if their comfortable lives don’t have to be disrupted for their freedom. What a bunch of crap. Then I see all these political pundits ( idiots ) on CNN talking about how the tea party movement is nothing more than
Interesting to see this with respect to a Republican candidate
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Sustainable energy - good posting with reference to good source (got this from Jim Miller)
*Worth Studying: *Professor MacKay's book on sustainable energy http://www.withouthotair.com/ --- without the hot air. Professor MacKay explains why he wrote the book in the preface http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/withouthotair/c0/preface.shtml: I'm concerned about cutting UK emissions of twaddle --- twaddle about sustainable energy. Everyone says getting off fossil fuels is important, and we're all encouraged to make a difference, but many of the things that allegedly make a difference don't add up. Twaddle emissions are high at the moment because people get emotional (for example about wind farms or nuclear power) and no-one talks about numbers. Or if they do mention numbers, they select them to sound big, to make an impression, and to score points in arguments, rather than to aid thoughtful discussion. This is a straight-talking book about the numbers. The aim is to guide the reader around the claptrap to actions that really make a difference and to policies that add up. Though written for Britain, the analyses in the book will be helpful almost everywhere in the developed world. You can buy the book from several different sources http://www.withouthotair.com/order.html. Or, you can download http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html a copy of the book for free. MacKay explains his generosity: I didn't write this book to make money. I wrote it because sustainable energy is important. If you would like to have the book for free for your own use, please help yourself: it's on the internet at www.withouthotair.com. ` This is a free book in a second sense: you are free to use all the material in this book, except for the cartoons and the photos with a named photographer, under the Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial-Share-Alike 2.0 UK: England Wales Licence. (The cartoons and photos are excepted because the authors have generally given me permission only to include their work, not to share it under a Creative Commons license.) You are especially welcome to use my materials for educational purposes. My website includes separate high-quality files for each of the figures in the book. Suppose that you don't feel up to reading the whole thing. Then you can read portions of it on line, or just download this ten page synopsis http://www.withouthotair.com/synopsis10.pdf. (Everyone interested in energy problems should do at least that much.) This is probably obvious, but I'll say it anyway: If you know someone who thinks it will be easy to switch to sustainable energy sources, you may want to share this book with them. - 3:49 PM, 17 April 2009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Are You Kidding Me?
for the WEEK prior, i was informing others that the ORIGINAL tea party, they destroyed the offending product by throwing it in the sea, not by making a bucket of drink. At this tea party, i continued, i am going to destroy the offending product by BURNING a w-2 and a 1040a. After all, throwing them in the river would just pollute the river. On Apr 18, 9:44 am, M.A. Johnson micha...@america.net wrote: Are You Kidding Me?by Don Cooper I watched closely all the tea parties all over the country Wednesday. What a showing of national pride and solidarity. What a showing of subservient compliance and casual indifference. What a joke. In Lafayette Park, Washington D.C., of all places to protest, the plan was to dump one million tea bags in the park, but the brave dissidents never did it because they forgot to get the proper permits. Are you kidding me? What is civil disobedience without civil disobedience? They even went so far as to say that they were willing to put down plastic tarps and clean up after themselves. That’s like saying we don’t agree with your oppressive, unconstitutional despotism of our nation and to show our ire in no uncertain terms we’re going to break public law and disrupt the peace so take that, nah- nah-ne-boo-boo. But don’t worry because we’ll put everything back when we’re done as if nothing happened cuz we don’t want any trouble!Videos on the Internetof Lafayette Park show people standing around in their trendy turtlenecks and Tommy Hilfiger and North Face jackets, chatting, socializing, drinking coffee and talking on their cell phones. Some dressed in colonial garb (how cute) and waving flags. Others even break into a rendition of the Star Spangled Banner followed by a chant of USA, USA, USA. What a terrific show of meaningless symbolism. Who are they chanting to? The buildings in front of them? The birds in the trees? Themselves? What was this supposed to do, because it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to surmise that it did NOTHING! All the politicians were inside, smugly and comfortably seated in their expensive leather chairs that we paid for. They were discussing their next round of special interest pandering and deficit spending at our expense while we mingled as if at a, well, tea party. But not the sort of 1773 but rather more like the sort at 4 p.m. in England that is served with crumpets. The politicians could have cared less about the goings on outside and NO ONE took it to them. Shame on us. No one made sure they took notice. No one was put out one bit. No economic loss to the government whatsoever, as was the purpose of the original tea party, so why should they notice? Is this like giving to a charity? You write a check to feed a starving child for 10 cents a day in some far off, nameless, faceless country and you feel better about yourself? I attended a tea party in the Midwest on Wednesday and there were only about 200 people there. And it was literally a tea party: people came with their coffee mugs and sandwiches, holding signs and standing around and chatting and socializing and then everyone went home. No passion. No signs of real frustration or discontent. No real commitment to changing anything. You know why? Because nobody wants to fire the first shot! Everybody wants change, but only if they don’t have to pay for it. Only if their comfortable lives don’t have to be disrupted for their freedom. What a bunch of crap. Then I see all these political pundits ( idiots ) on CNN talking about how the tea party movement is nothing more than a partisan, Republican, conservative movement against the Obama administration and how the majority of Americans agree with the taxing and borrowing and spending. Some numb-nuts CNN political (anal)yst named Jeff Toobin says that the Texas state legislative resolution to reaffirm their state’s sovereignty is a fantasy. Are you kidding me? State’s sovereignty is a fantasy? Well I guess that says it all. Come on everyone, down the rabbit hole.[Background music]One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small… Welcome to the other side of the looking glass everybody. My name’s Alice and I’ll be your host for the mad tea party today. Let me introduce some other guests: the Hatter, March Hare, Dormouse, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, John McCain, Rod Blagojevich, Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton all the AIG executives and many, many more. Don’t worry you’ll have time to get to know them all since you can’t leave no matter what you do so might as well just get used to it. Resistance is futile.No doubt the majority of Americans didn’t want to go to war against the British in 1776. But would anyone say now that it was the wrong thing to do? No doubt the majority of Americans didn’t want a civil war. Both those wars were, at their core, about state’s rights. About oppressive governments trying to overreach their
We Have a Problem
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Morpheal's Commentary - April 18th, 2009 - Values Economics - Quantitative Easing, Planning, Prices, and Standards, The New Revolution Against the Evils of Human Nature, Whistle Blowers Bravery, C
Morpheal’s Commentary - April 18th, 2009 - Values Economics - Quantitative Easing, Planning, Prices and Standards - The New Revolution, Whistle Blowers Need Medals and Citations for Bravery, Cuba - Monkey in the Middle, Pirate Bay Victim of Pirates and What India Needs Most VALUES ECONOMICS - QUANTITATIVE EASING, PLANNING, PRICES and STANDARDS - The New Revolution Against the Evils of Human Nature At the risk of repeating something, I think it would be a good idea to go over a few points concerning values economics again, summarizing a few major features of what is necessary. In fact the human species might not survive without it. 1). Quantitative Easing. It is the utterly absurd fact that when you list all the things that ought to be done, and you might add all the things that it would be nice to do, in the context of the quality of life, survival, and good of humanity, encompassing the entire world economy in all its potential aspects, you have a massive list of work that would take many generations to complete, and even more generations to properly maintain. The raw material resources are not really the big problem. Not if they are managed and allocated properly to the work that needs to be done. So the problem becomes the lack of piles of printed pieces of paper. It is a complicated issue, because so many complex mechanisms were utilized to prevent any real improvement in the fortunes of many nations, making many of them excessively dependent and unable to improve their own lot in the world community. They were damned if they created more paper, because their paper would be devalued, and they would suffer extremes of inflation, destroying the value of that new paper currency meant to ease their situation as to doing what they needed to do for their people. Not a good situation. Obviously very destructive mechanisms, and quite evil, in terms of the quintessential meaning of what is “evil”. Obviously the whole system needed to change very radically. Where there real and unmet needs, you need to be able to alleviate the scarcity of piles of printed pieces of paper, without torturing the needy with runaway inflation and currency devaluation. You have to end the reign of financial terror, and you have to enable the doing what ought to be done. That means big changes have to come with quantitative easing. It is not as simple as simply printing more money, but it is a necessary part of the solution because there is the work to be done, and the lack of paper to “fund” it is a big stumbling block to getting that work done. 2). Planning. Every nation needs a long term plan. Corporations realized this need many decades ago, in their own micro-economies, developing systems for planning what they need to do, the resources to do it, both short term and long term, with measurement and correction as to what is being achieved. They found that they could not function efficiently without planning. The macro-economies of nations, and thus the world economy, remains backward in its progress towards the same realization that you have to have a plan. Chaotic, struggling with sudden crisis after sudden crisis, is not efficient, and is not effective. The best run corporations have found that crisis management is the worst way to run a business. The business of nations is no different. You cannot rely on crisis management and yet most politicians have tended to fall into that very same error. Crisis management of the world economy, is but one indication of that ultimate failure, and that backwardness. We know we need planning, but we are too reluctant to implement adequate planning at the national and international level. Every problem faced by the world now and into the future, is compounded and worsened by lack of adequate planning. That includes lack of measurable goals, and progress milestones. Those are paradigmatic to planners at any level of management within the better run corporations, and yet we lack similar paradigms implemented effectively in national and international matters of even greater concern as to the future, perhaps even the survival, of humanity. Planning is not only essential for efficiency in getting done what needs to be done, and for prioritizing (where necessary) as to what is most urgent, but it is also a necessity in relation to quantitative easing. You have to make sure that the piles of printed paper are used correctly for the right purposes. While that is not a wholly achievable ideal, it is significantly achievable, and a necessity unless you want to be faced with the need for what becomes excessive quantitative easing. Planning reduces the need for more quantitative easing. It is a valid constraint in that regard as well as a clear indicator when and where more easing of money supply is necessitated. 3). Prices and inflation. The absurd arguments concerning runaway prices and inflation resulting from quantitative easing are exactly that. They are utterly absurd. Yes, there is that
Re: GM Legislator Road Test video
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Subject: GM Legislator Road Test video
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Interesting video here - gotta love the way this was handled
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Real class act there - just the kind of family we like to celebrate
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let's auction off Bush
I just found Bush hiding in a spider hole. I want to auction him off to the highest bidder. Anyone intersted in bidding $5.00? You could use on him the same enhanced interrogation techniques he had the Army use on Guantanamo detainees. That alone is worth a lot more. How about doing it for his failure to protect the country from 9/11? Think of some more reasons for bidding up the auction price. . . Any offers? charles http://atheistic-science.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
let's auction off Bush
I just found Bush hiding in a spider hole. I want to auction him off to the highest bidder. Anyone intersted in bidding $5.00? You could use on him the same enhanced interrogation techniques he had the Army use on Guantanamo detainees. That alone is worth a lot more. How about doing it for his failure to protect the country from 9/11? Think of some more reasons for bidding up the auction price. . . Any offers? charles http://atheistic-science.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: let's auction off Bush
Hello Charles, Are you talking about the 33 individuals that the Bush Administration subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, which have now been established were not torture, and who had medical doctors, and a psychologist holding their hand while they spewed their guts about their attempts to kill you, your family and every other American? You owe this man your life, and at least a Thank You. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM, charles charlesbrou...@yahoo.com wrote: I just found Bush hiding in a spider hole. I want to auction him off to the highest bidder. Anyone intersted in bidding $5.00? You could use on him the same enhanced interrogation techniques he had the Army use on Guantanamo detainees. That alone is worth a lot more. How about doing it for his failure to protect the country from 9/11? Think of some more reasons for bidding up the auction price. . . Any offers? charles http://atheistic-science.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: let's auction off Bush
Not a chance that Charles will admit the truth of anything you say. He has his marching orders from the Journolist as to what approach he is to take and he did that. He is to be pitied. Keith In Tampa wrote On 04/18/2009 03:55 PM: Hello Charles, Are you talking about the 33 individuals that the Bush Administration subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques, which have now been established were not torture, and who had medical doctors, and a psychologist holding their hand while they spewed their guts about their attempts to kill you, your family and every other American? You owe this man your life, and at least a Thank You. On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 3:34 PM, charles charlesbrou...@yahoo.com mailto:charlesbrou...@yahoo.com wrote: I just found Bush hiding in a spider hole. I want to auction him off to the highest bidder. Anyone intersted in bidding $5.00? You could use on him the same enhanced interrogation techniques he had the Army use on Guantanamo detainees. That alone is worth a lot more. How about doing it for his failure to protect the country from 9/11? Think of some more reasons for bidding up the auction price. . . Any offers? charles http://atheistic-science.com http://atheistic-science.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Obama: Spending cuts are coming soon, I promise
And if you believe that one I got a bridge about 5 miles from here that I can sell you cheap. Some deconstruction needed but I am sure you have friends who will help you with that one. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_ECONOMY?SITE=OHMOUSECTION=HOMETEMPLATE=DEFAULT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
slightly different take on the rescue from the pirates
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Re: slightly different take on the rescue from the pirates
Read the comment posted, however. Anyway, Obama can show us all by walking on water over to Cuba! On Apr 18, 4:10�pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.theospark.net/2009/04/real-story-of-obamas-decision-making... Wonder just how accurate this all is. �Sounds about right to me. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Morpheal's Commentary - April 18th, 2009 - Values Economics - Quantitative Easing, Planning, Prices, and Standards, The New Revolution Against the Evils of Human Nature, Whistle Blowers Braver
For the West, I think you would have to go back to the Middle Ages to come to a stage where various classes/nations agreed on values along with the baggage of superstition and plagues. Look at the paralysis of the United Nations. And I have grave doubts about all this instant communication in the long run- I haven't a cell phone and turn off the bells when I choose- life on a leash does not appeal to me. It is brave to be honest and point out injustice however the public is trained from an early age not to make waves in a System- you can chose from a variety- the block, the country club, the school, the company, the nursing home, etc. On Apr 18, 1:46 pm, Morpheal morpheal.producti...@yahoo.com wrote: Morpheal’s Commentary - April 18th, 2009 - Values Economics - Quantitative Easing, Planning, Prices and Standards - The New Revolution, Whistle Blowers Need Medals and Citations for Bravery, Cuba - Monkey in the Middle, Pirate Bay Victim of Pirates and What India Needs Most VALUES ECONOMICS - QUANTITATIVE EASING, PLANNING, PRICES and STANDARDS - The New Revolution Against the Evils of Human Nature At the risk of repeating something, I think it would be a good idea to go over a few points concerning values economics again, summarizing a few major features of what is necessary. In fact the human species might not survive without it. 1). Quantitative Easing. It is the utterly absurd fact that when you list all the things that ought to be done, and you might add all the things that it would be nice to do, in the context of the quality of life, survival, and good of humanity, encompassing the entire world economy in all its potential aspects, you have a massive list of work that would take many generations to complete, and even more generations to properly maintain. The raw material resources are not really the big problem. Not if they are managed and allocated properly to the work that needs to be done. So the problem becomes the lack of piles of printed pieces of paper. It is a complicated issue, because so many complex mechanisms were utilized to prevent any real improvement in the fortunes of many nations, making many of them excessively dependent and unable to improve their own lot in the world community. They were damned if they created more paper, because their paper would be devalued, and they would suffer extremes of inflation, destroying the value of that new paper currency meant to ease their situation as to doing what they needed to do for their people. Not a good situation. Obviously very destructive mechanisms, and quite evil, in terms of the quintessential meaning of what is “evil”. Obviously the whole system needed to change very radically. Where there real and unmet needs, you need to be able to alleviate the scarcity of piles of printed pieces of paper, without torturing the needy with runaway inflation and currency devaluation. You have to end the reign of financial terror, and you have to enable the doing what ought to be done. That means big changes have to come with quantitative easing. It is not as simple as simply printing more money, but it is a necessary part of the solution because there is the work to be done, and the lack of paper to “fund” it is a big stumbling block to getting that work done. 2). Planning. Every nation needs a long term plan. Corporations realized this need many decades ago, in their own micro-economies, developing systems for planning what they need to do, the resources to do it, both short term and long term, with measurement and correction as to what is being achieved. They found that they could not function efficiently without planning. The macro-economies of nations, and thus the world economy, remains backward in its progress towards the same realization that you have to have a plan. Chaotic, struggling with sudden crisis after sudden crisis, is not efficient, and is not effective. The best run corporations have found that crisis management is the worst way to run a business. The business of nations is no different. You cannot rely on crisis management and yet most politicians have tended to fall into that very same error. Crisis management of the world economy, is but one indication of that ultimate failure, and that backwardness. We know we need planning, but we are too reluctant to implement adequate planning at the national and international level. Every problem faced by the world now and into the future, is compounded and worsened by lack of adequate planning. That includes lack of measurable goals, and progress milestones. Those are paradigmatic to planners at any level of management within the better run corporations, and yet we lack similar paradigms implemented effectively in national and international matters of even greater concern as to the future, perhaps even the survival, of humanity. Planning is not only essential for efficiency in getting done what needs to be done, and for
Re: If you dont like my magic negro youre racist
What a . just unbelieveable. That she Hell I'm speechless
after seeing that... I voted for the asshole, he has NOT gone after
the things he said he would or taken the hard stand,,..
He is just another Reagan era lying scum bastard whose followers think
that if you are unhappy or dissatisfied you are automatically a
racist.
Well I guess since Lying scum politician is a race now. I'm a
racist. LYNCH THE LYING BASTARD !!!
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Subject: If you dont like my magic negro youre racist
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Re: Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Beams Home First Images
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Subject: Planet-Hunting Spacecraft Beams Home First Images
_http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090416/sc_space/planethuntingspacecraftbeam
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Re: IRAN and NORTH KOREA have the ability to cripple America RIGHT NOW!
In a message dated 4/17/09 5:30:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, baconl...@gmail.com writes: From: Travis Date: Fri, Apr 17, 2009 Subject: IRAN and NORTH KOREA have the ability to cripple America RIGHT NOW! _http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/iran-and-north-korea-have-th e-ability-to-cripple-america-right-now/_ (http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/04/17/iran -and-north-korea-have-the-ability-to-cripple-america-right-now/) Are they waiting to see if we complete the job ourselves? **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown0027) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I gotta read my copy of the Constitution again - where does it say a congressman can comment on a case involving a military trial before it has been decided
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I would surely hope they show up
I WONDER IF ANY TEA PARTY PROTESTERS WILL SHOW UP? U.S. Rep. Schakowsky will speak at May Day Dinner. U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a leading advocate for womens issues in Congress, will be the featured speaker during the Peoria County Democratic Womens annual May Day Dinner on May 3 at the Lariat Steakhouse. There were 3,000 Tea Party protesters in Peoria. They might take exception to her calling them despicable and shameful. Posted at 2:11 pm by Glenn Reynolds
Why your taxes may double
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Obama and his czars, more than the Romanovs in 300 years had
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Sounds very true to me - The cost of media bias
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Isn't this illegal? Insider trading of a sort?
/POLITICO:/ Reassurances for thee, panic for me: http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0409/Burr_told_constituents_not_to_mob_ATMs.html?showall Sen. Richard Burr (D-N.C.) told his wife to pull the family's cash out of an ATM at the height of last fall's financial crisis --- but he advised North Carolinians not to panic when Charlotte-based Wachovia was taken over by Citigroup in an emergency transaction around the same time. The country's in the very best of hands. UPDATE: /Politico/ says Burr is a Democrat, but this http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=21787 says he's a Republican. Posted at 4:18 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
This is my reading of it also
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Interesting - an attorney: Justice memos prove US did not torture
HMM: Attorney: Justice Memos Prove U.S. Did Not Torture. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/17/attorney-claims-justice-memos-prove-did-torture/ UPDATE: They're debating this over at the /NYT/ Room For Debate blog. http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/the-memos-torture-redefined/ Here's an excerpt: Most prominent among those briefed on waterboarding was Nancy Pelosi. According to the Post's interviews, members of the Congressional oversight committees understood that they had to weigh the limits of inhumane treatment of people known to have Al Qaeda connections against the threat of new attacks. They believed that these techniques struck the right balance in the circumstances. Yet I haven't heard of any serious call for prosecuting Speaker Pelosi or any of her colleagues for complicity in torture. I haven't heard much from Jane Hamsher's pitchfork minions http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/04/saying-its-time-for-reflection-not.html either. Posted at 4:03 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Where did all that money come from??
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Re: Isn't this illegal? Insider trading of a sort?
Lol. What the hell! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:29:32 To: big2whe...@aol.com; MERLE MCKINZIEmerlemckin...@msn.com; Claguerra245claguerra...@aol.com; calrose...@aol.com; east90t...@yahoo.com; rn...@aol.com; politicalForum@googlegroups.com Subject: Isn't this illegal? Insider trading of a sort? /POLITICO:/ Reassurances for thee, panic for me: http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0409/Burr_told_constituents_not_to_mob_ATMs.html?showall Sen. Richard Burr (D-N.C.) told his wife to pull the family's cash out of an ATM at the height of last fall's financial crisis --- but he advised North Carolinians not to panic when Charlotte-based Wachovia was taken over by Citigroup in an emergency transaction around the same time. The country's in the very best of hands. UPDATE: /Politico/ says Burr is a Democrat, but this http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=21787 says he's a Republican. Posted at 4:18 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Imagine a President of the United States, within his first hundred days, revealing secrets that help terrorists kill. Bare Naked Islams Weblog
From: Travis
Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: Imagine a President of the United States, within his first hundred
days, revealing secrets that help terrorists kill. Bare Naked Islams Weblog
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/imagine-a-president-of-the-united-states-within-his-first-hundred-days-revealing-secrets-that-help-terrorists-kill/
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Congress Weighs Far-Reaching Global Warming Legislation
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Date: Sat, Apr 18, 2009
Subject: Congress Weighs Far-Reaching Global Warming Legislation
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finally Obama has made his live birth certificate available
From: Travis
Subject: finally Obama has made his live birth certificate available
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Re: finally Obama has made his live birth certificate available
That one is bad - I love it!!
Travis wrote On 04/18/2009 09:50 PM:
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Re: Isn't this illegal? Insider trading of a sort?
Not sure what you are saying. I thought it sounded about right to me. Very strange - what is he or does he really know. wontstopthink...@gmail.com wrote On 04/18/2009 08:04 PM: Lol. What the hell! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry *From*: dick thompson *Date*: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:29:32 -0400 *To*: big2whe...@aol.com; MERLE MCKINZIEmerlemckin...@msn.com; Claguerra245claguerra...@aol.com; calrose...@aol.com; east90t...@yahoo.com; rn...@aol.com; politicalForum@googlegroups.com *Subject*: Isn't this illegal? Insider trading of a sort? /POLITICO:/ Reassurances for thee, panic for me: http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0409/Burr_told_constituents_not_to_mob_ATMs.html?showall “Sen. Richard Burr (D-N.C.) told his wife to pull the family’s cash out of an ATM at the height of last fall’s financial crisis — but he advised North Carolinians not to panic when Charlotte-based Wachovia was taken over by Citigroup in an emergency transaction around the same time.” The country’s in the very best of hands. UPDATE: /Politico/ says Burr is a Democrat, but this http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=21787 says he’s a Republican. Posted at 4:18 pm by *Glenn Reynolds* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
How's that friendship with Dinner Jacket working out for Bambi?
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Re: Hezbollah's Mushroom Cloud
You might recall over 200 Marines died in Lebanon and the USA fled the
scene so nothing is amusing about Hezbollah/Iran. Then there was that
tortured CIA agent on film. There is nothing funny about the Middle
East.
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Subject: Hezbollah's Mushroom Cloud
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