Re: I wonder if anyone has asked Miss North Carolina what she thinks of this brouhaha and whether the fact that she won the contest because of an imbecilic judge makes her feel she deserves the crow
Hmm... I dunno, but I think Sugarshack has a cocktail virus, (*e.g*.; a hangover) and/or he woke up (at noon) on the wrong side of the bed!! I haven't a clue what the Hell you are talking about Sugarshack, maybe you could be more specific? Holly, I actually laughed out loud at D.B.'s answer, it was definitely on point! Read it again!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I wonder if anyone has asked Miss North Carolina what she thinks of this brouhaha and whether the fact that she won the contest because of an imbecilic judge makes her feel she deserves the crow
KIT, Well, I'm glad it made sense to someone. On May 4, 8:58 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I dunno, but I think Sugarshack has a cocktail virus, (*e.g*.; a hangover) and/or he woke up (at noon) on the wrong side of the bed!! I haven't a clue what the Hell you are talking about Sugarshack, maybe you could be more specific? Holly, I actually laughed out loud at D.B.'s answer, it was definitely on point! Read it again!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: And they act as if this is a good thing!
dick, Blah, blah, blah, all your going to respond with is conservative myths and propaganda? Human nature does not exist, the Industrial revolution and the resulting social, economic and environmental problems never happened. ? My question was simple.If you get rid of all the alphabet govt. agencies who will perform the functions they were responsible for? Never mind if they were doing a particularly good job at a given point in time. Are you REALLY dumb enough to believe that chemical companies will not dump dangerous pollants into our air and water because it just wouldn't be right? All the corprations will just join hands and act out of love and concern for their fellow man and make profits a lesser concern? No need for OSHA or the EPA, the corporations will do the right thing out of compassion and their love for humankind? And people say liberals are unrealistic dreamers, LMAO! On May 3, 10:37 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Certainly did. Also look at the 2 centuries of the history of this country. THe more the government interfered, the more the people gave up on their initiatives and became users rather than doers. Really simple. You can compare the Wealth of Nations to the historical experience. Which are you going to believe, the books or your own eyes. Take a look around. Based on Bambi's doing so far we can see that the books are not the answer. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 09:39 PM: dick, Do you expect me to take such an answer seriously? Have you no knowledge of human nature or corporate nature. You're pulling my keg, right? Have you never read The wealth Of Nations? On May 3, 6:54 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Nothing. They are not needed if the people do their own jobs. They were not needed when they were created. It was all just a feel good exercise that either did nothing of value or made the situation worse. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 07:22 PM: dick, OK, so who or what would you replace those agencies with? Not saying that you are essentially wrong. So who would you put in charge of making sure our air, water and environment is not poisened? Who would you put in charge to make sure our workers are not screwed? I'm listening. On May 3, 6:10 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: On the other hand they can fund them and make them non-toothless tigers and then we will be truly in the soup. What needs to happen is that these agencies need to disappear, not just be defunded. Then we can see that they do not do any more harm than they already have. It is like some of te old laws. So long as they are on the books the government can make them active any time it wants. What we are seeing with these liberals is that they keep putting bandaids on problems and claiming they fixed it. It is all a temporary fix that gets made permanent because it never again gets addressed. Rather than going back to first principles and actually doing it right they just compound the problem by piling statute on top of statute on top of the original bad law to the point that nobody can get to the base problem. At that point this crew then funds a new agency doing the same thing as the old agency did only with a new set of laws but the old ones are still there to be brought back any time they want. And then they claim they fixed the problem. We end up with duplicate agencies who get in each other's way and as a result nothing gets fixed at all but the media plays it as if the genius did it. That is what we are seeing now and it is going to be a bigger and bigger mess as a result but the media will proclaim him a Wonder and a National Treasure. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 06:30 PM: KIT, Matter of opinion. Most of those alphabet agencies are toothless tigers. The politicians in the executive and legislative branches at any given time can make those agencies impotent at will by under- funding them, putting an anti-labor person at their head, etc. etc. Shaking down the working man? Sounds like a description of Congress and politicians in general. On May 3, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Bull Hocky Holly, Unions are outdated. If we didn't have a huge, expansive, unconstitutional federal government, I might tend to agree with you, but federal Departments and Agencies like DOT, OSHA, Wage Hour, EPA, HUD, etc., have replaced everything that a Union once did. Now, they are nothing less than a racketeer influenced organization, shaking down the working man in order to maintain their existence. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: dick, Your late, we already discussed this. Scroll up and read the previous posts. They pay wages and benefits enough to give the employees no incentive to join the UAW. The unions must be kept strong
Re: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies?
Hey, you! I've missed seeing you around! What's up? On May 3, 4:09 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: WV, WHAT? The Bible was written about 1,000 freakin' years before Protestant Christianity even existed. As you say, it was the early protestants that claimed the sitting Pope was the anti-Christ. So now you want to claim the visit of the Pope is a fullfullment of a Bible prophecy Dude, what are you smoking? Your pissed because the Catholic Church screwed over your ancestors a 5 or 600 years ago.? I'M still pissed at the Brits for what they did to my ancestors on my mother's side of the family and ALL you white Europeans for what you did to my ancestors on my father's side of the family. What the hell, I'm pissed at blacks as well. They had no problem with helping the white's fuck over the Native American's once they had their freedom. In short, get over it. Everyone is someone's victum and one point or another. :-) On May 3, 4:23 pm, Web Veteran rogerbo...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? Pope Benedict is set to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land May 8-15. Is this a fulfillment of Bible prophecies? First, let it be known that I am still a Protestant. Robert Schuller, freemason, says he doesn't want to be called a Protestant any more because he isn't protesting anything. Pretty much all the Masonic Christians, if there is such a thing, will take that position because at a certain level of Masonry you take an oath to do everything the pope tells you to do. The deadly wound of schism between Protestants and Catholics has been healed with the modern ecumenical movement, and now Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jack Van Impe, and virtually all the Protestants really aren't Protestants any more because they aren't protesting the Roman Catholic Church. So why am I still a Protestant? My ancestors were French Huguenots who had their lands stolen by the Roman Catholics. They just escaped with their lives the Catholic uprising in France. I don't think we should forget the countless Protestant martyrs who have died at the hands of Roman Catholic murderers in France, Ireland and many areas of the world over hundreds of years. Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs as I have for details. The early Protestant leaders, Luther, Calvin, etc., all considered whatever pope was in power to be the Antichrist, so there weren't just minor differences in theology causing the Protestant Reformation. The popes call themselves the Holy Father for example, and that is a blasphemous title that should be reserved only for God. Jesus Christ said only He should be called Father. Any ways, the Bible says that when the Antichrist stands in the holy place, where it ought not, all hell will soon break loose. I think that prophecy could soon be fulfilled when the evil Antichrist Pope Benedict will soon be standing in the holy places of Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem. ___ Free King James Bible for your charitable gift of any size:http://hubpages.com/hub/free-king-james-bible --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Fwd: Porky Plague
On May 3, 6:54 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Boys Girls! Thank you for not sending Uncle Jay the picture of the kid kissing the pig. Really, thanks. Didn't Uncle Jay used to show cartoons of Porky Plague and Bubonic Bunny on his TV kids show every Tuesday in Albuquerque? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies?
J.C. Hey, how have you been? Went to Mexico for a couple of months to avoid winter here in St. louis. Took a vaction from these boards, was eating up too much of my time arguing with idiots. Only a few people that I actually missed talking to. You were one of those I missed. :-) On May 4, 10:16 am, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, you! I've missed seeing you around! What's up? On May 3, 4:09 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: WV, WHAT? The Bible was written about 1,000 freakin' years before Protestant Christianity even existed. As you say, it was the early protestants that claimed the sitting Pope was the anti-Christ. So now you want to claim the visit of the Pope is a fullfullment of a Bible prophecy Dude, what are you smoking? Your pissed because the Catholic Church screwed over your ancestors a 5 or 600 years ago.? I'M still pissed at the Brits for what they did to my ancestors on my mother's side of the family and ALL you white Europeans for what you did to my ancestors on my father's side of the family. What the hell, I'm pissed at blacks as well. They had no problem with helping the white's fuck over the Native American's once they had their freedom. In short, get over it. Everyone is someone's victum and one point or another. :-) On May 3, 4:23 pm, Web Veteran rogerbo...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? Pope Benedict is set to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land May 8-15. Is this a fulfillment of Bible prophecies? First, let it be known that I am still a Protestant. Robert Schuller, freemason, says he doesn't want to be called a Protestant any more because he isn't protesting anything. Pretty much all the Masonic Christians, if there is such a thing, will take that position because at a certain level of Masonry you take an oath to do everything the pope tells you to do. The deadly wound of schism between Protestants and Catholics has been healed with the modern ecumenical movement, and now Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jack Van Impe, and virtually all the Protestants really aren't Protestants any more because they aren't protesting the Roman Catholic Church. So why am I still a Protestant? My ancestors were French Huguenots who had their lands stolen by the Roman Catholics. They just escaped with their lives the Catholic uprising in France. I don't think we should forget the countless Protestant martyrs who have died at the hands of Roman Catholic murderers in France, Ireland and many areas of the world over hundreds of years. Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs as I have for details. The early Protestant leaders, Luther, Calvin, etc., all considered whatever pope was in power to be the Antichrist, so there weren't just minor differences in theology causing the Protestant Reformation. The popes call themselves the Holy Father for example, and that is a blasphemous title that should be reserved only for God. Jesus Christ said only He should be called Father. Any ways, the Bible says that when the Antichrist stands in the holy place, where it ought not, all hell will soon break loose. I think that prophecy could soon be fulfilled when the evil Antichrist Pope Benedict will soon be standing in the holy places of Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem. ___ Free King James Bible for your charitable gift of any size:http://hubpages.com/hub/free-king-james-bible- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Good times - how are they going to turn this one around
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An Update From Oklahoma
I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
] And the Sheep Obey - -
But it is distracting you from the continued failure of the Odumab policies. It's this month's wag the Rush -- Forwarded message -- From: c carr...@verizon.net Date: Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:24 AM Subject: [SouthernbytheGraceofGod] And the Sheep Obey - - To: carr...@gte.net * A PLAN COMES TOGETHER: THE SHEEP OBEY Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO May 4, 2009 http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri122.htm On May 1, 2009, the LA Times[1]http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri122.htm#_ftn1reported some amazing occurrences: • Hospitals on New York’s Long Island were scrambling to bring extra workers in to handle a 50% surge in visitors to emergency rooms. • In Galveston, Texas, the local hospital ran out of flu testing kits after being overwhelmed with patients worried about having contracted swine flu. • At Loma Linda University Medical Center near San Bernardino, California, emergency room workers set up tents in the parking lot to handle a crush of similar patients. • In Chicago, ER visits at the city's biggest children's hospital are double normal levels, setting records at the 121-year-old institution. So far, few of the anxious patients have had more than runny noses. The most disturbing revelations about these scenarios? They knew this was the way we would respond. What was published in 2006 has become fact in 2009. A study conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health confirmed that public health officials could easily convince most people to alter their daily lives to stem the spread of influenza. “The Pandemic Influenza Survey” [2] http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri122.htm#_ftn2 documented our willingness to do what we are told after only a little hyping that a deadly global pandemic was eminent. The 2006 survey included 1,700 Americans. More than 90 percent said they would [willingly] comply with government orders to postpone air travel, avoid public places such as movie theaters and shopping malls, and would keep their children home from school in the event of a flu pandemic. A full 94 percent said they would stay home from work for up to 10 days to help authorities control disease spread How Soon We Forget The word 'pandemic' simply means a certain type of virus seems to be infecting persons over a wide area, in this case, several states and a few countries. The word “pandemic” is not synonymous with “massive death,” although the media would have us believe that the two are equal. In fact, most persons over 50 years of age experienced the last two documented pandemics and the pandemic scare of 1976. And according to a 2008 report by the CDC, “even those who experienced [the 1957 and the 1968] pandemics do not recall them as particularly memorable events.”[3]http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri122.htm#_ftn3 Most persons at least 43 years of age will no doubt recall the Swine flu hype of 1976. Starting from a single, infected military recruit, the threat of a pandemic and global death turned into a full-scale media and government circus. For many, the “Pandemic that Never Was” created havoc, death and long term disability. But the mayhem was not the work of a microscopic particle of replicating RNA. The carnage was created by the misguided steps our government and the overzealous drive from CDC officials to vaccinate. The absolute belief in the effectiveness of vaccines [that in reality do not work] resulted in the disability of 532 people who contracted Guillain-Barre Syndrome, a life-threatening form of paralysis. While many recovered in the ensuing months, at least 33 died and up to 10 percent remained paralyzed to varying degrees for the rest of their lives. While vaccine manufacturers reaped the rewards of government handouts to make vaccines, and secured legislation to protect them from liability (the Swine Flu Act of 1976), more than $1.3 billion of tax payer dollars were released to compensate those who had been injured by the swine flu vaccine. [NWV Poll: Is this swine flu outbreak accidental or deliberate?http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/polls.html ] For those X-Gens and Y-Gens under-40, ask your parents, grandparents and other senior relatives and friends what they recall about these Pubic Health panics. Surely they can shed some light about those moments in American history and their stories will help abate your fears of a “coming pandemic.” After all, they are alive to talk about it. More Vaccines On The Way Lessons about bad vaccines are rarely learned and the race to make more experimental doses has never been hotter. In 2005, Congress allocated $3.8 billion to developers with the stated goal of being able to “distribute a vaccine to every American within six months of the onset of a pandemic.” In 2006, our elected representatives went even further to ensure we are vaccinated: They created incentives for manufacturers by funding the Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005, nicknamed BioShield II.
Obama Historic Speech on Rednecks
Obama Fights Back With A Historic Speech on Rednecks The People's Cube ^ | 4/14/2008 Posted on 04/15/2008 2:05:49 AM PDT by Mount Athos Dodging the flak over his description of typical small-town rednecks as those who turn to guns and Bibles if left without government supervision, Obama has once again skillfully turned the tables on his opponents with the same maneuver he used during the Jeremiah Wright controversy: he returned to Philadelphia and delivered a sweeping speech on the legacy of rednecks in a post-redneck society and the importance of establishing a full government control over the redneck territories - a speech that political strategists agree hearkens back to those of America's founders, and deserves a similar place in history. Obama, who grew up in the redneck-free paradise of Hawaii, could have easily stepped into a cultural void of corporate middle-class indifference if he hadn't embraced the winning theory of class warfare and challenged the country to do better - to drop the old redneck values of self-reliance, and to accept the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be considered in their relation to the State. Below are excerpts from Sen. Obama's speech. We the people, in order to form a more soviet union... With these simple words, social workers and community organizers had traveled across the ocean to establish a state of planned economy and redistribution of wealth according to everyone's needs. The state they produced ultimately remained unfinished. It was stained by the presence of corncob-smokin', banjo-strokin' chicken-chokin' inbred hillbilly rednecks, who undermined the great American experiment with their distrust of a strong government. They continued to cling to their guns and Bibles, and refused to sacrifice their personal liberties to the Common Good as defined by the government. The rednecks brought the creation of a perfect society to a stalemate, and so the founders gave up and postponed any definitive solution to future generations. Of course, the answer to the redneck question was already embedded within our Constitution, which has at its very core the subjugation of the individual to a strong centralized government, requiring the surrender of all unauthorized guns, Bibles, and incomes. Our founders Marx and Engels believed that the government was endowed with unalienable rights to regulate life, ration liberty, and dispense happiness - and that to secure these rights, governments must decide what's best for the governed, redistribute their property, and indoctrinate their children. Now, the rednecks will argue that the Constitution says something completely different. But we mustn't allow rednecks to rewrite our Constitution. We mustn't allow some small-town, god-crazy, gun-humping non-people to inject bitterness into our brave new world of collective hope, planned tolerance, and organized compassion. Today, when the promise of the parchment has almost come true, it is up to this generation to find a final solution to the redneck problem. We must redouble the government's efforts to control lives, ration liberty, and dispense happiness. We must close the gap between our ideals and reality, even if it means shredding the reality to pieces. Can we do it? Yes we can! It is up to this generation to make the word redneck a non-word, completing the construction of a post-redneck society. I hope none of you are rednecks. I shall conclude my historic speech by addressing critics who say I'm out of touch with reality. I would like to show them a letter of support that was sent to me by a nice small-town family of hillbillies. It consisted of only a few lines scribbled over a black and white photograph - a large redneck family in front of a shabby old cracker house. The house needed some serious renovation and was probably in danger of foreclosure. The haggard faces of adults expressed bitterness and determination to fight for whatever little piece of entitlement the government can give them. The children's eyes revealed the sadness of a child who had been robbed of the true love and compassion of a caring social worker. They were the typical small-town Americans in need of guidance and support of big centralized government - exactly how I had always imagined them. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KnightsoftheGoldenCircle/message/9783;_ylc=X3oDMTM1Z2E5cWw2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzMjA5OTcyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTc3NTcxNgRtc2dJZAM5Nzg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MDAzOQR0cGNJZAM5Nzgz( 2) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KnightsoftheGoldenCircle/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYTlnMXQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzMjA5OTcyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTc3NTcxNgRtc2dJZAM5Nzg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MDAzOQ--?act=replymessageNum=9785| Start a new topic
All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009
http://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscation-us-will-join.html Saturday, March 21, 2009 FSB: Sept. Gun Confiscation US Will Join Global Currencyhttp://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscation-us-will-join.html March 20, 2009 All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009, US Tells Russiahttp://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1216.htm ** Kremlin reports on the extraordinary meetinghttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/europe/20russia.html?ref=worldheld today between President Medvedev and former United States Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger (under Nixon), James Baker (under Bush Sr.), Charles Shultz (under Regan), former United States Defense Secretary William Perry (under Clinton), and former US Senator and top defense expert Sam Nunn, are stating that the Americans are acknowledging for the first time their acceptance of a New Global Order in which they seek to partner with natural resource rich Russia and the oil rich Nations of the Middle East in order to ensure their survival into the 21st Century. Leading the United States to the shocking conclusion that their very survival is at risk has been the evaporation of 45 percenthttp://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE52966Z20090311of the World’s wealth which has caused a rapid plunge http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/business/20shrink.php in Global manufacturing leading to a 49 percent collapsehttp://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Global-trade-collapsing-forcing-everyone/story.aspx?guid=%7b5E877CF4-8D66-46A2-A144-3EE1FF6F6C37%7din US trade exports which the International Monetary Fund is reported has caused the World’s economy to shrink for the first time in 60 yearshttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fe9fec32d48b8af35fec6efbf0bf940b.461show_article=1and has lead Canada’s Central Bank chief David Dodge to state the World is *“facing a long and deep recession that will fundamentally alter the nature of capitalism” http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE52H25I20090318 *. Though Prime Minister Putin has warned that “*resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangeroushttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085sid=aU9owrq4NCVArefer=europe *”, the already bankrupt http://www.cnbc.com/id/29769858 United States, whose staggering debt is four times higher than their entire National income, has allowed its Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben “*Throw Money Out of Helicopters http://www.takimag.com/site/article/money_for_nothing/*” Bernanke to ‘*create out of thin air*’ a further $1.2 Trillionhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-to-buy-up-to-300B-apf-14679757.htmlto stabilize the American economy, but which in turn has led to the collapsehttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-hits-high-for-2009-as-apf-14689612.htmlof the US Dollar leading the United Nations to recommend next week that the World “*ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318 *”. Russian economists further state in these reports that the United States has been left with ‘*no other option*’ than to force the massive devaluation of the US Dollar in order to ‘*shake lose*’ from banks and private investors the hundreds of billions they are currently hoarding and is being blamed for collapsing a United States where consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of its economyhttp://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/29/gdp_numbers_consumer_spending/and which without money to borrow, or borrowers to loan to, is fast approaching the abyss. With the devaluation of the US dollar, however, massive inflation will ensue causing the value of these currently hoarded hundreds of billions of US Dollars to plummet and forcing them to be spent before they become totally worthless, a policy which China, the largest Global holder of US debthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR2009031300703.html, has voicedhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039refer=columnist_berrysid=ahCNqo2DzxU0increasing concerns about and have cut back on their purchaseshttp://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/18/China_slows_US_Treasuries_purchases/UPI-64951237386500/of American debt even as desperation hitshttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hMbygdKHyLaXnP5siYGpd_ND0lLQD9712FL80their own factories as orders plunge. These top American Officials have also assured President Medvedev that new laws being written by the Obama administration will ‘*completely*’ reform the American financial system by fully integrating it into a single Global Economy due to be enacted during the coming G-20 summit in London. When President Medvedev voiced his concerns to the Americans over his belief that the US Congress would not allow such a radical new set of laws to pass, these reports continue, Kissinger stated that the American people were being ‘*primed*’ to overwhelm their lawmakers into swiftly
Fwd: [T911TN] Housing Bubble Got Big Start in Clinton Administration
Interesting video exposes the 1990's history of Housing Bubble and Obama's early connection to it. Obama appears discussing his legal and community organizing career. See how it ties in to ACORN and the Clinton administration enforcement of the *Community Reinvestment Act.* The Clinton administration admits their policy of *BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. *Secretary Cuomo *admits they forced banks to make BAD LOANS*. *VIDEO* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/message/19483;_ylc=X3oDMTM3NXNjaWRsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARtc2dJZAMxOTQ4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjQEdHBjSWQDMTk0ODM-( 1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyczI3c2xxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARtc2dJZAMxOTQ4MwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjQ-?act=replymessageNum=19483| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcWdqdTF0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjQ- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdm1pdnI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjM-| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJndHMyNTg2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZ2dsNjIzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjM-| Linkshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJnMzBudHVkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz| Databasehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZmZhcGlzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkYgRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz| Pollshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnYzIzOWhtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz To post a message to the entire group send email to: total911truth...@yahoogroups.com To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: total911truthnow-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcWE5cTltBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MDk2NA-- Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNGFxcXVxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTY0(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digesttotal911truthnow-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email+delivery:+Digest| Switch format to Traditionaltotal911truthnow-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change+delivery+format:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaWI5bzRpBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MDk2NA--| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ | Unsubscribe total911truthnow-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject= Recent Activity - 3 New Membershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJncGpzOWYxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Total911TruthNOW;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTFqMGY0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE5MjUzMjg1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyNDE0NDA5NjM- Give Back Yahoo! for Goodhttp://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJubHVuNjczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTkyNTMyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NDA1MzY4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MDk2Mw--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free!http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwamdhMGZyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMTkyNTMyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NDA1MzY4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbnVuZjlqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTkyNTMyODUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1NDA1MzY4BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjQxNDQwOTYz in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see
Rupert Murdoch I am not jewish but....
To: I am not Jewish but... Mar. 19, 2009 RUPERT MURDOCH , THE JERUSALEM POST Over the years, some of my wildest critics seem to have assumed I am Jewish. At the same time, some of my closest friends wish I were. So let me set the record straight: I live in New York. I have a wife who craves Chinese food. And people I trust tell me I practically invented the word chutzpah. Ladies and gentleman, I am humbled by the honor you have given me - because this award speaks more to your good work than it does to mine. The American Jewish Committee started in response to the persecution of Jews in czarist Russia. And your response took a very American form: an organization that would speak up for those who could not speak for themselves. In the century since your founding, the American Jewish Committee has become one of the world's most influential organizations. Yet though your concerns begin with the safety and welfare of Jews, these concerns are anything but parochial. The reason for this is clear: You know that the best guarantee of the security of Jews anywhere is the freedom of people everywhere. Your good work has helped bring real and lasting changes to our world. Unfortunately, while some threats have been defeated, new ones have taken their place. And these new threats remind us the AJC's work is more vital than ever. In Europe, men and woman who bear the tattoos of concentration camps today look out on a continent where Jewish lives and Jewish property are under attack - and public debate is poisoned by an anti-Semitism we thought had been dispatched to history's dustbin. In Iran, we see a regime that backs Hizbullah and Hamas now on course to acquire a nuclear weapon. In India, we see Islamic terrorists single out the Mumbai Jewish Center in a well-planned and well-coordinated attack that looks like it could be a test run for similar attacks in similar cities around the world. MOST FUNDAMENTALLY, we see a growing assault on both the legitimacy and security of the State of Israel. This assault comes from people who make clear they have no intention of ever living side-by-side in peace with a Jewish state - no matter how many concessions Israel might make. The reason for this is also clear: These are men who cannot abide the idea of freedom, tolerance and democracy. They hate Israel for the same reasons they hate us. As I speak, the flashpoint is Gaza. For months now, Hamas has been raining down rockets on Israeli civilians. Like all terrorist attacks, the aim is to spread fear within free societies, and to paralyze its leaders. This Israel cannot afford. I do not need to tell anyone in this room that no sovereign nation can sit by while its civilian population is attacked. Hamas knows this better than we do. And Hamas understands something else as well: In the 21st century, when democratic states respond to terrorist attacks, they face two terrible handicaps. THE FIRST HANDICAP is military. It's true that Israel's conventional superiority means it could flatten Gaza if it wanted. But the Israel Defense Forces - unlike Hamas - are accountable to a democratically chosen government. No matter which party is in the majority, every Israeli government knows it will be held accountable by its people and by the world for the lives that are lost because of its decisions. That's true for lives of innocent Palestinians caught in the crossfire. And it's also true for the Israeli soldiers who may lose their lives defending their people. In this kind of war, Hamas does not need to defeat Israel militarily to win a big victory. In fact, Hamas knows that in some ways, dead Palestinians serve its purposes even better than dead Israelis. In the West we look at this and say, It makes no sense. But it does make sense. If you are committed to Israel's destruction, and if you believe that dead Palestinians help you score a propaganda victory, you do things like launch rockets from a Palestinian schoolyard. This ensures that when the Israelis do respond, it will likely lead to the death of an innocent Palestinian - no matter how many precautions Israeli soldiers take. Hamas gets away with this, moreover, because it does not rule Gaza by the consent of those it claims to represent. It rules by fear and intimidation. It is accountable to no one but itself. This is the chilling logic of Gaza. And it helps explain why even a strong military power like Israel can find itself at a disadvantage on the ground. THE SECOND HANDICAP for Israel is the global media war. For Hamas, the images of Palestinian suffering - of people losing their homes, of parents mourning their dead children, of tanks rolling through the streets - create sympathy for its cause. In a battle marked by street to street fighting, the death of innocents is all but inevitable. That is also true of Gaza. And these deaths have led some to call for Israel to be charged with war crimes by an international tribunal. But I am curious: Why do we
Re: All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009
bruce, BULLSHIT. On May 4, 6:16 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: http://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati... Saturday, March 21, 2009 FSB: Sept. Gun Confiscation US Will Join Global Currencyhttp://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati... March 20, 2009 All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009, US Tells Russiahttp://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1216.htm ** Kremlin reports on the extraordinary meetinghttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/europe/20russia.html?ref=worldheld today between President Medvedev and former United States Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger (under Nixon), James Baker (under Bush Sr.), Charles Shultz (under Regan), former United States Defense Secretary William Perry (under Clinton), and former US Senator and top defense expert Sam Nunn, are stating that the Americans are acknowledging for the first time their acceptance of a New Global Order in which they seek to partner with natural resource rich Russia and the oil rich Nations of the Middle East in order to ensure their survival into the 21st Century. Leading the United States to the shocking conclusion that their very survival is at risk has been the evaporation of 45 percenthttp://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE52966Z20090311of the World’s wealth which has caused a rapid plunge http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/business/20shrink.php in Global manufacturing leading to a 49 percent collapsehttp://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Global-trade-collapsing-forcing...in US trade exports which the International Monetary Fund is reported has caused the World’s economy to shrink for the first time in 60 yearshttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fe9fec32d48b8af35fec6efbf...and has lead Canada’s Central Bank chief David Dodge to state the World is *“facing a long and deep recession that will fundamentally alter the nature of capitalism” http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE52H25I20090318 *. Though Prime Minister Putin has warned that “*resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangeroushttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085sid=aU9owrq4NCVArefe... *”, the already bankrupt http://www.cnbc.com/id/29769858 United States, whose staggering debt is four times higher than their entire National income, has allowed its Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben “*Throw Money Out of Helicopters http://www.takimag.com/site/article/money_for_nothing/*” Bernanke to ‘*create out of thin air*’ a further $1.2 Trillionhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-to-buy-up-to-300B-apf-14679757.htmlto stabilize the American economy, but which in turn has led to the collapsehttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-hits-high-for-2009-as-apf-14689612of the US Dollar leading the United Nations to recommend next week that the World “*ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318 *”. Russian economists further state in these reports that the United States has been left with ‘*no other option*’ than to force the massive devaluation of the US Dollar in order to ‘*shake lose*’ from banks and private investors the hundreds of billions they are currently hoarding and is being blamed for collapsing a United States where consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of its economyhttp://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/29/gdp_numbers_c...and which without money to borrow, or borrowers to loan to, is fast approaching the abyss. With the devaluation of the US dollar, however, massive inflation will ensue causing the value of these currently hoarded hundreds of billions of US Dollars to plummet and forcing them to be spent before they become totally worthless, a policy which China, the largest Global holder of US debthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR200..., has voicedhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039refer=columnist_berry...increasing concerns about and have cut back on their purchaseshttp://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/18/China_slows_US_Treasuries_purc...of American debt even as desperation hitshttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hMbygdKHyLaXnP5siYG...their own factories as orders plunge. These top American Officials have also assured President Medvedev that new laws being written by the Obama administration will ‘*completely*’ reform the American financial system by fully integrating it into a single Global Economy due to be enacted during the coming G-20 summit in London. When President Medvedev voiced his concerns to the Americans over his belief that the US Congress would not allow such a radical new set of laws to pass, these reports continue, Kissinger stated that the American people were being ‘*primed*’ to overwhelm their lawmakers into swiftly enacting ‘*in its entirety*’ the Obama
What a surprise!!
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Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely recognizable and understood images--burning crosses and churches, neo-Nazi goosesteppers, and, most recently, the burned corpse of Billy Jack Gaither in Coosa County, Alabama; James Byrd, chained and dragged behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas; and Shepard's silhouetted body lashed to a Laramie, Wyoming, buck fence--to suggest that the United States is a seething cauldron of hate directed at members of unpopular groups. Although demonstrably false (even the statistics gathered by the advocates of hate crime legislation demonstrate there is thankfully no epidemic of such heinous acts), the formula remains popular, partly because it provides the media with a ready-made angle by elevating ordinary crimes to matters of urgent, national concern involving sexism, racism, and homophobia. Indeed, the formula provides big ratings and material benefits both to advocates and to their academic allies. And it provides politicians with the opportunity to engage in cost-free, camera-friendly symbolic activity. With the Shepard case, the Wild West setting of the murder augmented the standard media narrative: *Of course*, the coverage implied, Wyoming's macho, frontier culture is closed-minded, bigoted, and homophobic--what else could it be? As an NBC reporter put it while standing outside a Laramie drinking joint, At Wild Willies Cowboy Bar today, patrons said hate is easy to find here. Never mind that Wyoming was the first state to grant women the right not only to vote but to own property and to hold office; that it elected the nation's first female governor in 1924; that it ratified the Equal Rights Amendment in 1973; that it was at the forefront of a trend in the 1970s to repeal sodomy laws; and that in the 1990s, more than 70 percent of its voters rejected anti-abortion initiatives. For the media, Wyoming was a natural setting for such a bestial crime. As *The New York Times*editorial page intoned the day following Shepard's death: Laramie, the home seat of [Wyoming's] university, is a small town with a masculine culture... [Shepard] died in a coma yesterday, in a state without a hate-crimes law. Local Outrage As a Wyoming native (now living in Texas) and a gay man, I find such geographical stereotyping to
Re: No surprise, our MUSLIM PRESIDENT considers ISRAEL the ENEMY
Sugarshack, If you heard that talking point from three other talking heads this week, then I am quite flattered! That means that whoever you are listening too, is reading my posts here on PoliticalForum! With regard to your spin; for you to attempt to pin Nazi's, Skin-Heads and the KKK on the Republican Party is laughable, when clearly, the only announced members of the KKK were Democrats and socialists. Once again, it demonstrates my point about those who claim to be more tolerant, kinder, gentler, and more enlightened, are none of the above, and genuinely have an agenda. If one crosses that agenda or disagrees with it, then the far left extremist smear machine gears up, and all folks like you can do is start tossing personal barbs and insults. Again, for you to attempt to compare Bill Clinton to Ronald Reagan shows your naivety, or just plain, outright ignorance. But I still enjoy ya!!! On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM, VT VirtualTruth thevirtualtr...@gmail.comwrote: Clinton had higher approval ratings than Reagan at the end of their Presidency's so your comment is not true. Also once again you are repeating words and ideas other have spoon fed you or you have heard from the talking heads. I heard the exact phase of 3 times in my lifetime the Republican party. from 3 different talking heads this week end. Keith please try to be original or at least change the words! On May 2, 8:36 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Studio, Studio, Studio, In my adult life, of which I have been politically active, I have seen predicted, and witnessed folks like you profess the demise of the Republican Party at least three times. When I was just able to vote, shortly after the Nixon/Watergate era, (and which was the first and only time I ever voted for a Democrat Presidential candidate) folks like you were predicting that the demise of the Republican Party was imminent, that it was a Brand New Day, A Brand New World. After four years of Jimmy Carter, our Nation overwhelmingly elected Ronald Reagan, the greatest American President in yours and my lifetime, (Despite what my most esteemed moderator The Annointed One believes!!! LOL!!!) Then, after A thousand Points of Light and the mediocrity of George Herbert Walker Bush and his wife who remarkably resembled George Washington, the Nation went into Clinton-Mania. After two years of I feel your pain and folks like you once again professing that The Republican Party Is Toast; it wasn't two years later, that the Republicans gained control of both the Senate and the House, as well as most all State legislatures and local elected offices. I will concede, as I have previously, that the Republicans are a House in disarray right now. That we lost our way, with a number of individuals who infiltrated our Party who are not conservatives, and who were for the most part, big spending egalitarians who hurt our Nation. Having said that, what has happened on your side of the aisle, (and Sean Sugarshack VT's) is far more sinister. Americans are catching on to the whole concept of Change We Can Believe In, the tea parties were just a taste. In eighteen months, the House will once again be controlled by thinking Americans. Your socialist party os over my friend! Enjoy it while you can!!! On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:17 PM, studio tl...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 2, 2:22 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Studio!! Well, first, if we were going to get into political parties and, racism, you clearly identified the wrong party. I am unaware of any policy or any plank of the Republican National Comittee that could even remotely be construed as racist; albeit I know that a lot of clueless individuals would somehow attempt to frame or promote such platforms as racist. First off, the thread was started by Travis, not a political party, but one in which he clearly supports calling the President a Muzzie, which he is clearly not. Second, you must not think your party is very smart not to have included policy which would obviously shrink their ranks even further than it is now. Third, there is no such stated policy in the Democrat platform either, so by your logic, would nullify all that you just stated. What was it you were saying about Republicans being, racist? Do you care to revise this position Studio?? No I don't, they are. But it's not a stated policy, rather a understated soft racism with a nod and a wink. Both parties have it, I never said they didn't. But it's slightly worse in the Republican Party. You won't find any statistics supporting this, I generally use my own ears and eyes instead of some phony Web site or reporters claims. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google
Re: All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009
I am as left as they come and even I have a gun and have no problem getting ammo. Bruce probably works for the ammo industry and they LOVED having Obama get elected, never saw such profits. On May 4, 11:10 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, BULLSHIT. On May 4, 6:16 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: http://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati... Saturday, March 21, 2009 FSB: Sept. Gun Confiscation US Will Join Global Currencyhttp://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati... March 20, 2009 All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009, US Tells Russiahttp://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1216.htm ** Kremlin reports on the extraordinary meetinghttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/europe/20russia.html?ref=worldheld today between President Medvedev and former United States Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger (under Nixon), James Baker (under Bush Sr.), Charles Shultz (under Regan), former United States Defense Secretary William Perry (under Clinton), and former US Senator and top defense expert Sam Nunn, are stating that the Americans are acknowledging for the first time their acceptance of a New Global Order in which they seek to partner with natural resource rich Russia and the oil rich Nations of the Middle East in order to ensure their survival into the 21st Century. Leading the United States to the shocking conclusion that their very survival is at risk has been the evaporation of 45 percenthttp://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE52966Z20090311of the World’s wealth which has caused a rapid plunge http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/business/20shrink.php in Global manufacturing leading to a 49 percent collapsehttp://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Global-trade-collapsing-forcing...in US trade exports which the International Monetary Fund is reported has caused the World’s economy to shrink for the first time in 60 yearshttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fe9fec32d48b8af35fec6efbf...and has lead Canada’s Central Bank chief David Dodge to state the World is *“facing a long and deep recession that will fundamentally alter the nature of capitalism” http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE52H25I20090318 *. Though Prime Minister Putin has warned that “*resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangeroushttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085sid=aU9owrq4NCVArefe... *”, the already bankrupt http://www.cnbc.com/id/29769858 United States, whose staggering debt is four times higher than their entire National income, has allowed its Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben “*Throw Money Out of Helicopters http://www.takimag.com/site/article/money_for_nothing/*” Bernanke to ‘*create out of thin air*’ a further $1.2 Trillionhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-to-buy-up-to-300B-apf-14679757.htmlto stabilize the American economy, but which in turn has led to the collapsehttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-hits-high-for-2009-as-apf-14689612of the US Dollar leading the United Nations to recommend next week that the World “*ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318 *”. Russian economists further state in these reports that the United States has been left with ‘*no other option*’ than to force the massive devaluation of the US Dollar in order to ‘*shake lose*’ from banks and private investors the hundreds of billions they are currently hoarding and is being blamed for collapsing a United States where consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of its economyhttp://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/29/gdp_numbers_c...and which without money to borrow, or borrowers to loan to, is fast approaching the abyss. With the devaluation of the US dollar, however, massive inflation will ensue causing the value of these currently hoarded hundreds of billions of US Dollars to plummet and forcing them to be spent before they become totally worthless, a policy which China, the largest Global holder of US debthttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR200..., has voicedhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039refer=columnist_berry...increasing concerns about and have cut back on their purchaseshttp://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/18/China_slows_US_Treasuries_purc...of American debt even as desperation hitshttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hMbygdKHyLaXnP5siYG...their own factories as orders plunge. These top American Officials have also assured President Medvedev that new laws being written by the Obama administration will ‘*completely*’ reform the American financial system by fully integrating it into a single Global Economy due to be enacted during the coming G-20 summit in London. When
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I wonder if this is true across the board about Priority Mail
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Re: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies?
Plain, Oh for God's sake, don't get the religious nuts all stirred up. Enough headaches will the political extremists and nuts. On May 3, 8:27 pm, plainolamerican plainolameri...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? --- hogwash! he's just tired being called an antisemite On May 3, 4:23 pm, Web Veteran rogerbo...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? Pope Benedict is set to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land May 8-15. Is this a fulfillment of Bible prophecies? First, let it be known that I am still a Protestant. Robert Schuller, freemason, says he doesn't want to be called a Protestant any more because he isn't protesting anything. Pretty much all the Masonic Christians, if there is such a thing, will take that position because at a certain level of Masonry you take an oath to do everything the pope tells you to do. The deadly wound of schism between Protestants and Catholics has been healed with the modern ecumenical movement, and now Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jack Van Impe, and virtually all the Protestants really aren't Protestants any more because they aren't protesting the Roman Catholic Church. So why am I still a Protestant? My ancestors were French Huguenots who had their lands stolen by the Roman Catholics. They just escaped with their lives the Catholic uprising in France. I don't think we should forget the countless Protestant martyrs who have died at the hands of Roman Catholic murderers in France, Ireland and many areas of the world over hundreds of years. Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs as I have for details. The early Protestant leaders, Luther, Calvin, etc., all considered whatever pope was in power to be the Antichrist, so there weren't just minor differences in theology causing the Protestant Reformation. The popes call themselves the Holy Father for example, and that is a blasphemous title that should be reserved only for God. Jesus Christ said only He should be called Father. Any ways, the Bible says that when the Antichrist stands in the holy place, where it ought not, all hell will soon break loose. I think that prophecy could soon be fulfilled when the evil Antichrist Pope Benedict will soon be standing in the holy places of Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem. ___ Free King James Bible for your charitable gift of any size:http://hubpages.com/hub/free-king-james-bible- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely recognizable and understood images--burning crosses and churches, neo-Nazi goosesteppers, and, most recently, the burned corpse of Billy Jack Gaither in Coosa County, Alabama; James Byrd, chained and dragged behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas; and Shepard's silhouetted body lashed to a Laramie, Wyoming, buck fence--to suggest that the United States is a seething cauldron of hate directed at members of unpopular groups. Although demonstrably false (even the statistics gathered by the advocates of hate crime legislation demonstrate there is thankfully no epidemic of such heinous acts), the formula remains popular, partly because it provides the media with a ready-made angle by elevating ordinary crimes to matters of urgent, national concern involving sexism, racism, and homophobia. Indeed, the formula provides big ratings and material benefits both to advocates and to their academic allies. And it provides politicians with the opportunity to engage in cost-free, camera-friendly symbolic activity. With the Shepard case, the Wild West setting of the murder augmented the
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Re: All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009
Hey Biff!! You?? Left of center?? Geez, I am shocked!! I would have never thought or suspected!!! (LOL!! Good to see ya!!) On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Biff jacobsenj...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am as left as they come and even I have a gun and have no problem getting ammo. Bruce probably works for the ammo industry and they LOVED having Obama get elected, never saw such profits. On May 4, 11:10 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, BULLSHIT. On May 4, 6:16 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: http://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati. .. Saturday, March 21, 2009 FSB: Sept. Gun Confiscation US Will Join Global Currency http://johnburkessociety.blogspot.com/2009/03/fsb-sept-gun-confiscati... March 20, 2009 All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009, US Tells Russiahttp://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1216.htm ** Kremlin reports on the extraordinary meeting http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/europe/20russia.html?ref=world held today between President Medvedev and former United States Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger (under Nixon), James Baker (under Bush Sr.), Charles Shultz (under Regan), former United States Defense Secretary William Perry (under Clinton), and former US Senator and top defense expert Sam Nunn, are stating that the Americans are acknowledging for the first time their acceptance of a New Global Order in which they seek to partner with natural resource rich Russia and the oil rich Nations of the Middle East in order to ensure their survival into the 21st Century. Leading the United States to the shocking conclusion that their very survival is at risk has been the evaporation of 45 percent http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-Economy/idUSTRE52966Z20090311of the World’s wealth which has caused a rapid plunge http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/20/business/20shrink.php in Global manufacturing leading to a 49 percent collapse http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Global-trade-collapsing-forcing.. .in US trade exports which the International Monetary Fund is reported has caused the World’s economy to shrink for the first time in 60 years http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.fe9fec32d48b8af35fec6efbf.. .and has lead Canada’s Central Bank chief David Dodge to state the World is *“facing a long and deep recession that will fundamentally alter the nature of capitalism” http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE52H25I20090318 *. Though Prime Minister Putin has warned that “*resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangerous http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085sid=aU9owrq4NCVArefe... *”, the already bankrupt http://www.cnbc.com/id/29769858 United States, whose staggering debt is four times higher than their entire National income, has allowed its Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben “*Throw Money Out of Helicopters http://www.takimag.com/site/article/money_for_nothing/ *” Bernanke to ‘*create out of thin air*’ a further $1.2 Trillion http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-to-buy-up-to-300B-apf-14679757.htmlto stabilize the American economy, but which in turn has led to the collapse http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oil-hits-high-for-2009-as-apf-14689612... .of the US Dollar leading the United Nations to recommend next week that the World “*ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318 *”. Russian economists further state in these reports that the United States has been left with ‘*no other option*’ than to force the massive devaluation of the US Dollar in order to ‘*shake lose*’ from banks and private investors the hundreds of billions they are currently hoarding and is being blamed for collapsing a United States where consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of its economy http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/10/29/gdp_numbers_c.. .and which without money to borrow, or borrowers to loan to, is fast approaching the abyss. With the devaluation of the US dollar, however, massive inflation will ensue causing the value of these currently hoarded hundreds of billions of US Dollars to plummet and forcing them to be spent before they become totally worthless, a policy which China, the largest Global holder of US debt http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/13/AR200..., has voiced http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039refer=columnist_berry.. .increasing concerns about and have cut back on their purchases http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/18/China_slows_US_Treasuries_purc.. .of American debt even as desperation hits http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hMbygdKHyLaXnP5siYG..
You really can't make this stuff up
Cowboy ticketed for 'riding under the influence' 2 days ago ARVADA, Colo. (AP) --- A man in a cowboy hat who rode a horse through a Denver suburb has been cited for riding an animal under the influence. Police said Brian Drone was given a $25 traffic violation ticket in a strip mall parking lot Friday. Drone told KUSA-TV that he was out for a joyride in Arvada with his horse, Cricket. Sgt. Jeff Monzingo says the citation was the first he'd seen in 15 years of working in law enforcement. Police say deciding what to do with the horse was a tricky call because you can tow a car in typical drunk driving cases. A stable owner eventually offered Drone and his horse a ride home. A phone number listed for a Brian Drone in Arvada was disconnected. /Information from: KUSA-TV, http://www.9news.com/ Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
I do believe I would be leaving that complex right away - send the furniture when I have a new address and after checking it for any more critters
Text size: Newport News Denbigh woman wakes up with snake on her lap By Matthew Sturdevant |247-7874 May 4, 2009 NEWPORT NEWS - Marleny Franco was sleeping in a chair in the living room of her Denbigh apartment living room on April 25 when she felt something wriggling on her lap. She woke up and saw a large, black snake curling up on a blanket that was covering her legs, Franco said through a translator. Franco tossed the snake across the room, grabbed her 3-year-old son, and scrambled out of the apartment. Her husband, Jose Barrera, wasn't home, so she got some friends to come in and get the 3-foot snake out of her house. They killed it. The next day, April 26, another black snake about the same size was slithering around her son's toy chest. Franco said her husband and two other men got that snake out of the apartment and killed it. They buried both snakes under a tree by her apartment on Happiness Drive at the Village at Stoneybrook which is near Warwick Boulevard and Thorncliff Drive. Dan and Fabiola Curran, advocates for the local Hispanic community, worked with Franco to get her family moved into another apartment in the complex. The soonest one is available is May 13, but Franco is too scared to stay another night, or even to enter the apartment. Apartment management declined to comment other than to say the situation has been resolved. Curran said he and his wife would take the family into their own home, but they are already housing a family of Cuban refugees. Franco and her family are staying with friends. It's not clear if they will be able to stay with friends until the new move-in date. Want more? Get home delivery now. E-mail Share Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Reddit Buzz up! Mixx it! Print Reprint Related topic galleries: Calendars, Days, and Months, Denbigh, May (month), Animals, April (month) All topics Copyright 2009, Newport News, Va., Daily Press
Here's where your recovery money is going
This is not TARP funds...that's a separate $700 billion for financial institutions. And someone was upset at the $350,000 photo-op of AF1 over NYC? --- American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 Total expenditure: $787 billion Tax cuts Total: $288 billion Tax relief for individuals Total: $237 billion $116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. $70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009. $15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes). $14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000. $6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers. $4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009. $4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children. $4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners. $1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000. Tax relief for companies Total: $51 billion $15 billion: Allowing companies to use current losses to offset profits made in the previous five years, instead of two, making them eligible for tax refunds. $13 billion: to extend tax credits for renewable energy production (until 2014). $11 billion: Government contractors: Repeal a law that takes effect in 2012, requiring government agencies to withhold three percent of payments to contractors to help ensure they pay their tax bills. Repealing the law would cost $11 billion over 10 years, in part because the government could not earn interest by holding the money throughout the year. $7 billion: Repeal bank credit: Repeal a Treasury provision that allowed firms that buy money-losing banks to use more of the losses as tax credits to offset the profits of the merged banks for tax purposes. The change would increase taxes on the merged banks by $7 billion over 10 years. $5 billion: Bonus depreciation which extends a provision allowing businesses buying equipment such as computers to speed up its depreciation through 2009. Healthcare Total: $147.7 billion $86.6 billion for Medicaid $24.7 billion to provide a 65 percent subsidy of health care insurance premiums for the unemployed under the COBRA program $19 billion for health information technology $10 billion for health research and construction of National Institutes of Health facilities $1.3 billion for medical care for service members and their families (military) $1 billion for prevention and wellness $1 billion for the Veterans Health Administration $2 billion for Community Health Centers $1.1 billion to research the effectiveness of certain healthcare treatments $500 million to train healthcare personnel $500 million for healthcare services on Indian reservations Education Total: $90.9 billion $44.5 billion in aid to local school districts to prevent layoffs and cutbacks, with flexibility to use the funds for school modernization and repair (State Equalization Fund) $15.6 billion to increase Pell Grants from $4,731 to $5,350 $13 billion for low-income public schoolchildren $12.2 billion for IDEA special education $2.1 billion for Head Start $2 billion for childcare services $650 million for educational technology $300 million for increased teacher salaries $250 million for states to analyze student performance $200 million to support working college students $70 million for the education of homeless children Environment Total: $7.2 billion $4 billion for wastewater infrastructure $2 billion for drinking water infrastructure $600 million for hazardous waste cleanup at Superfund sites $300 million for reductions in emissions from diesel engines $200 million for cleanup of leaking Underground Storage Tanks $100 million for cleaning former industrial and commercial sites (Brownfields) Aid to low income workers, unemployed and retirees (including job training) Total: $82.5 billion $40 billion to provide extended unemployment benefits through Dec. 31, and increase them by $25 a week $19.9 billion for the Food Stamp Program $14.2 billion to give one-time $250 payments to Social Security recipients, people on
Re: I wonder if anyone has asked Miss North Carolina what she thinks of this brouhaha and whether the fact that she won the contest because of an imbecilic judge makes her feel she deserves the crow
Now that it's safe, I see that The Donald is throwing his full support behind Carrie Prejean. Polls show Ms. Prejean favored by 75%, Donald's kind of number - so he's no longer the tepid pimp maestro. And the feminists are pissed, really pissed. For one, Miss California is drop-dead gorgeous - a far cry from those closet shaving, Perez loving, straight-hating dykes: http://msunderestimated.com/2009/05/03/laura-ingraham-dukes-it-out-with-feminist-gloria-feldt-video/ Which goes to prove that gays don't need marriage licenses, they need distemper shots. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Hate Crimes Prevention Act Sets Foundation To Destroy Free Speech In The U.S. - ROGUEGOVERNMENT.COM
From: Travis
Date: Sun, May 3, 2009
Subject: Hate Crimes Prevention Act Sets Foundation To Destroy Free Speech
In The U.S. - ROGUEGOVERNMENT.COM
http://www.roguegovernment.com/index.php?news_id=15482
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Gays buy twins
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Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Gays buy twins
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22582161-2862,00.html
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The President Who Hates His Country
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Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: The President Who Hates His Country
http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/swirsky/2009/05042009.htm
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Mexico Starts Shopping at the Piggly Wiggly
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Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Mexico Starts Shopping at the Piggly Wiggly
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3140/pub_detail.asp
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This will be a great fit with Chrysler - or not
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Adult film star Stormy Daniels running for US Senate in Louisiana
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Adult film star Stormy Daniels running for US Senate in Louisiana
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/adult-film-star-stormy-daniels-running-for-us-senate-in-louisiana
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OT: We were waiting on health care one day...
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Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate... Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely recognizable and understood images--burning crosses and churches, neo-Nazi goosesteppers, and, most recently, the burned corpse of Billy Jack Gaither in Coosa County, Alabama; James Byrd, chained and dragged behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas; and Shepard's silhouetted body lashed to a Laramie, Wyoming, buck fence--to suggest that the United States is a seething cauldron of hate directed at members of unpopular groups. Although demonstrably false (even the statistics gathered by the advocates of hate crime legislation demonstrate there
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely recognizable and understood images--burning crosses and churches, neo-Nazi goosesteppers, and, most recently, the burned corpse of Billy
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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A Progressive History of the Supreme Courthttp://reason.com/blog/show/133288.html Posted on May 4, 2009, 10:50am | Damon W. Roothttp://reason.com/staff/hitandrun/199.html In today's *Wall Street Journal*, Jess Bravin writeshttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB124139508689381755.htmlthat President Barack Obama is likely to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter with a nominee who will not only defend the liberal jurisprudence that reshaped American society in the mid-20th century, but who may also aim to build a progressive legal vision for the century ahead. That's certainly what Obama's most left-leaning supporters would like to see. In a long *American Prospect* article that appeared a few days before news of Souter's retirement broke, Doug Kendall of the Constitutional Accountability Center and Simon Lazarus of the National Senior Citizens Law Center arguedhttp://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_next_war_over_the_courtsthat Obama should claim the constitutional high ground by articulating a boldly progressive vision of the Constitution's past and future: Throughout American history, conservative federal judiciaries have stymied change-minded administrations (and state governments): during the aborted Reconstruction Era following the Civil War; during the early 20th-century Progressive Era; and during the first several years of the New Deal until 1937 when President Franklin Roosevelt finally turned the Supreme Court and lower federal courts around with new appointments. To avoid a reprise of those dreary episodes, President Obama will have to carefully select judges committed to faithfully interpreting progressive initiatives in line with Congress' intent, and be prepared to muster 60 Senate votes to confirm them. There are a whole lot of things wrong with this one little paragraph. For starters, it's extraordinarily misleading to blame the failures of Reconstruction on conservative federal judges. In *The Slaughter-House Cases*, the 1873 decision that gutted the Privileges or Immunities Clause from the 14th Amendment and thus helped cripple Reconstruction, it was the conservative/libertarian Justice Stephen Fieldhttp://www.reason.com/news/show/130787.htmlwho authored the Court's most stinging and eloquent dissent. (A dissent, it's worth noting, that Kendall and the Constitutional Accountability Center have previously praisedhttp://www.theusconstitution.org/page_module.php?id=11mid=5.) Similarly, the actions of change-minded Progressive Era politicians proved absolutely disastrous http://www.reason.com/news/show/36650.html for African Americans and other minorities. As the historian David Southern has documented, Jim Crow laws, lynching, segregation, race baiting, and disfranchisement went hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism. Some of the few bright spots among these dreary episodes came when conservative/libertarian judges struck down progressive initiatives in line with Congress' intent. This happened all too rarely, of course, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Most importantly, in the 1917 case *Buchanan v. Warley* the Supreme Court struck down a residential segregation law for violating the 14th Amendment right to acquire, use, and dispose of private property. That was the NAACP's first major victory before the Court, argued by the great libertarian lawyer and activist Moorfield Storey http://www.reason.com/news/show/123020.html. And it wasn't a progressive victory, it was a *classical liberal* one, rooted equally in individualism and economic rights. Kendall and Lazarus conveniently neglect to mention any of that in their rosy historical telling, but their silence doesn't make it any less true. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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May 4, 11:34 AM EDT Judge denies defense request for 3rd mistrial in Fla. terrorism trial By CURT ANDERSON AP Legal Affairs Writer MIAMI (AP) -- A judge has denied a request for a mistrial in the Miami case of six men accused of plotting to destroy Chicago's Sears Tower and bomb FBI offices. U.S. District Judge Joan Lenard refused Monday to grant a third mistrial in the Liberty City Six case. Now Lenard must decide whether to remove a juror that other panel members say is being disruptive and refusing to deliberate. That juror did not show up Monday, claiming illness. Lenard could replace the juror with an alternate or continue with 11 jurors. The two previous mistrials occurred when jurors could not agree unanimously on verdicts. The men were arrested in June 2006 on charges of plotting with al-Qaida to stage major terror attacks. © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Copyright 2008 Associated Press --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Good Heavens! Oh No! even Madam Speaker Wants Protection for Congress from Feds
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Good Heavens! Oh No! even Madam Speaker Wants Protection for
Congress from Feds
http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2009/05/good-heavens-oh-no-even-madam-speaker.html
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Re: An Update From Oklahoma
Holly, am no Bible scholar, especially as compared to you Holly! By no means do I intend to challenge you on your knowledge of the Bible or your religious beliefs. Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* the Old Testament could be summarized in two commands: *Love God with all your heart, soul and mind*; and *Love your neighbor as yourself* *See* Luke 12:28-32. Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another*.” * See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear*.” *See* Hebrews 8:13. There are many in the secularist community that wish to utilize and rely upon Old Testament verses to somehow criticize Christians, or any American, by example, for their opposition to Gay Marriage, which is not at all in keeping with the New Covenants and Christianity. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Pakistani officials prefer waterboarding
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Pakistani officials prefer waterboarding
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E-Mail | Print | Save | Post | Get Photos | Get Reprints | Reuse Options May 4, 10:45 AM EDT German court receives Demjanjuk petition BERLIN (AP) -- A Berlin court will weigh a petition from a German lawyer of suspected Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk seeking to block his planned deportation from the United States. Berlin administrative court spokesman Stefan Groscurth says it will inform Germany's Justice Ministry of the challenge on Monday. The ministry would represent the German government if the court takes up the case. Groscurth declined to comment further, but a copy of the petition provided by Demjanjuk's lawyer argues the 89-year-old Ohio resident is too ill to be transferred to Germany to face trial in Munich on suspicion of Nazi-era crimes. Lawyer Ulrich Busch wants the German government to withdraw its willingness to accept Demjanjuk. The Justice Ministry refused comment. 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy.
Joe Biden banned from White House Twitter account
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Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Joe Biden banned from White House Twitter account
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Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
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Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
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Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? If only the trash talk was an one time event , no... But as you know, the Left has often used organized campaigns to to destroy folks through code words... How many time have charges of racism or sexism been used to silence opposition??? But to the Left, these tactics ARE NOT about destroying people, because to the Left it is pretended that is about speaking truth to power Problem is it was about thuggery and silencing the opposing in the best McCarthyite fashion... Still why is she to be trashed when she was expressing Obama POV??? Should not charges of hating gays be made AS publice against Obama??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media,
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
By the how many folks here would call it hate speech if one called obama a house nigger... Most I suspect... But that, as in your reasoning, is not tieing Obama up to any post... The issue is the Left using different standard for Speech by the Right as it applies to folks on the Left... In this case, the principle becomes hate speech is anything unkind said about my allies... On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested interests in fomenting a sense of continuous social crisis. A product of the identity politics mind-set that has come to dominate American society over the past two decades, the hate crime news formula uses widely
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
Thanks for adding the is I didn't put in there on purpose. It was a question to you to tell me what in the New Testament negates what is in the Old Testament that would make you make your statement about Moses. After all look at all the Gospel hymns about Elijah and Jeremiah and Isaih and Daniel and David and Solomon. Your initial statement was totally out of line with the beliefs of Christians. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 02:40 PM: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Democrats meet the new Cowboy
who cross-dresses as a bi-partisan consensus builder... If he continues on this path 2010 is a rerun of 1994... http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Disarming+the+minority%3a+No+opposing+socialized+medicinearticleId=1791f4e2-2058-48f0-acad-15ff5d54ffeb The fact that they know they don't need Republicans will make it less likely that they find common ground. Democrats can get everything they want if they just hold out until October. That's no way to govern. But as we are learning with this new President, it's his way or ... his way. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
Guess they never knew about the Guardian Angels that have been active in
NYC for a generation.
Travis wrote On 05/04/2009 02:49 PM:
From: *Travis*
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5268657/Caped-superhero-vows-to-clean-up-crime-in-Cincinnati.html
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Re: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
Here's Shadow Hare's MySpace page, and his lovely costumed picture:
http://www.myspace.com/shadow_hare
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
Guess they never knew about the Guardian Angels that have been active in
NYC for a generation.
Travis wrote On 05/04/2009 02:49 PM:
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5268657/Caped-superhero-vows-to-clean-up-crime-in-Cincinnati.html
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No Boston Globe deal with the unions yet
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I don't think this guy got the answers he thought he should
At least he did not push the Christian broadcasting. He started to but it went nowhere and he finally dropped it. The interviewee did rather well with this one. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/05/04/the_future_of_talk_radio/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Pelosi blocks investigations into Democrat corrupt
Were we not promise transparency? Is not standing on principle the last refuge of corrupt politicians??? http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/03/pelosi-confronts-justice/ House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is working to buffer lawmakers from federal investigators. This is a bad idea. Special legal protections for politicians encourage unethical conduct. Irvin B. Nathan, general counsel of the House of Representatives, sent a letter to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Monday about establishing a protocol on how to handle hopefully rare searches and electronic surveillance involving members of Congress. Mr. Nathan previously failed to negotiate such an agreement with the George W. Bush administration when Republicans controlled the House. His return to this effort isn't surprising given the number of congressional Democrats facing accusations of ethical misconduct. Democrats facing scrutiny include the chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, John P. Murtha of Pennsylvania, for his close ties to the defense lobby firm PMA Group, which is under federal investigation; House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New York about a number of tax issues; Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. of Illinois over his reported effort to persuade ousted Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich to appoint him to fill President Obama's former Senate seat; and Rep. Jane Harman of California, who reportedly was taped in 2005 by the National Security Agency purportedly agreeing to help seek leniency for two accused Israeli spies in exchange for help in lobbying her appointment to chair the House Intelligence Committee. Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, on Thursday invoked the separation of powers as justification for the move. Mrs. Pelosi, who has acknowledged being aware previously of Mrs. Harman's controversial dialogue, claims the stance is a matter of principle. Whether it's invading an office or wiretapping a conversation, it's important for us to have the separation of powers and the respect for individual liberties, again, while not harboring information that would be useful under the speech [or] debate clause, she said. The speech or debate clause of the U.S. Constitution states that for any Speech or Debate in either House, [lawmakers] shall not be questioned in any other Place. The Supreme Court limited the scope of the provisions in 1972's United States v. Brewster to actions that are an integral part of the due functioning of the legislative process. When there is controversy over how to implement this principle, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia endorses having the legislative and executive branches hash out their differences. In 2007, the Court of Appeals found that searching then-Rep. William J. Jefferson's office was not inherently unconstitutional but that FBI agents had crossed the line by viewing every record in the Louisiana Democrat's office. The court stated that the core activity protected by the Clause - speech in either chamber of the Congress - is a public act. In essence, therefore, what the Clause promotes is the Member's ability to be open in debate - free from interference or restriction - rather than any secrecy right. There is a long history of self-serving efforts to protect congressional privilege in the face of ethical scandals despite the clear limits set by the courts. The speaker's spokesman told us that negotiations with the Department of Justice are simply intended to clarify what is appropriate in terms of notifying members about searches and tapped conversations. Members can't expect sanctuary in their offices, he added. We agree, but Mrs. Pelosi's effort makes it appear as if that is exactly what she is seeking. No deal should give lawmakers leniency from federal officers investigating corruption on Capitol Hill. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Who wrote the report
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Massachusetts town policies
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Re: Who wrote the report
SO, SOMEONE took Mr. Fredman's words out of context...imagine that, someone in Washington D.C. misquoted someone. Personally, i agree with Mr. Fredman...if your suspect DIES you are applying your questioning techniques incorrectly. On May 4, 1:04 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/04/lawyers-letter-counte... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
If it had been St. Louis, I'd a thunk it'd be Holly.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
Here's Shadow Hare's MySpace page, and his lovely costumed picture:
http://www.myspace.com/shadow_hare
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
Guess they never knew about the Guardian Angels that have been active in
NYC for a generation.
Travis wrote On 05/04/2009 02:49 PM:
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5268657/Caped-superhero-vows-to-clean-up-crime-in-Cincinnati.html
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Another Vent (from Grouchy Old Cripple)
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Re: Pelosi blocks investigations into Democrat corrupt
IF the elected representatives in the government of this Republic would police themselves, then the Executive Branch would not have. But, as is obvious from the NUMBER of complaints, they are not doing that. mdm Pelosi also points out the separation of powers as justification for halting investigations? Isn't the separation of pwers to insure that NO ONE is above hte law? SHOULDN'T the Executive Branch check the Legislative, and vice versa? On May 4, 12:54 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Were we not promise transparency? Is not standing on principle the last refuge of corrupt politicians??? http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/03/pelosi-confronts-justice/ House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is working to buffer lawmakers from federal investigators. This is a bad idea. Special legal protections for politicians encourage unethical conduct. Irvin B. Nathan, general counsel of the House of Representatives, sent a letter to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Monday about establishing a protocol on how to handle hopefully rare searches and electronic surveillance involving members of Congress. Mr. Nathan previously failed to negotiate such an agreement with the George W. Bush administration when Republicans controlled the House. His return to this effort isn't surprising given the number of congressional Democrats facing accusations of ethical misconduct. Democrats facing scrutiny include the chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, John P. Murtha of Pennsylvania, for his close ties to the defense lobby firm PMA Group, which is under federal investigation; House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel of New York about a number of tax issues; Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. of Illinois over his reported effort to persuade ousted Illinois Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich to appoint him to fill President Obama's former Senate seat; and Rep. Jane Harman of California, who reportedly was taped in 2005 by the National Security Agency purportedly agreeing to help seek leniency for two accused Israeli spies in exchange for help in lobbying her appointment to chair the House Intelligence Committee. Mrs. Pelosi, California Democrat, on Thursday invoked the separation of powers as justification for the move. Mrs. Pelosi, who has acknowledged being aware previously of Mrs. Harman's controversial dialogue, claims the stance is a matter of principle. Whether it's invading an office or wiretapping a conversation, it's important for us to have the separation of powers and the respect for individual liberties, again, while not harboring information that would be useful under the speech [or] debate clause, she said. The speech or debate clause of the U.S. Constitution states that for any Speech or Debate in either House, [lawmakers] shall not be questioned in any other Place. The Supreme Court limited the scope of the provisions in 1972's United States v. Brewster to actions that are an integral part of the due functioning of the legislative process. When there is controversy over how to implement this principle, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia endorses having the legislative and executive branches hash out their differences. In 2007, the Court of Appeals found that searching then-Rep. William J. Jefferson's office was not inherently unconstitutional but that FBI agents had crossed the line by viewing every record in the Louisiana Democrat's office. The court stated that the core activity protected by the Clause - speech in either chamber of the Congress - is a public act. In essence, therefore, what the Clause promotes is the Member's ability to be open in debate - free from interference or restriction - rather than any secrecy right. There is a long history of self-serving efforts to protect congressional privilege in the face of ethical scandals despite the clear limits set by the courts. The speaker's spokesman told us that negotiations with the Department of Justice are simply intended to clarify what is appropriate in terms of notifying members about searches and tapped conversations. Members can't expect sanctuary in their offices, he added. We agree, but Mrs. Pelosi's effort makes it appear as if that is exactly what she is seeking. No deal should give lawmakers leniency from federal officers investigating corruption on Capitol Hill. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Democrats meet the new Cowboy
welcome to ONE PARTY POLITICS..may we get rid of ALL incumbants in 2010? i certainly HOPE so, and not just with more of the same...elect a 'nonparty' candidate. On May 4, 12:07 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: who cross-dresses as a bi-partisan consensus builder... If he continues on this path 2010 is a rerun of 1994... http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Disarming+the+minority%3... The fact that they know they don't need Republicans will make it less likely that they find common ground. Democrats can get everything they want if they just hold out until October. That's no way to govern. But as we are learning with this new President, it's his way or ... his way. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Seeking to Save the Planet, With a Thesaurus
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Seeking to Save the Planet, With a Thesaurus
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/02/us/politics/02enviro.html?_r=2
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Re: OT: We were waiting on health care one day...
Delightful.
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...so we decided to tune up and play.
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Re: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies?
You made my day. ((hugs)) On May 4, 9:40 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: J.C. Hey, how have you been? Went to Mexico for a couple of months to avoid winter here in St. louis. Took a vaction from these boards, was eating up too much of my time arguing with idiots. Only a few people that I actually missed talking to. You were one of those I missed. :-) On May 4, 10:16 am, J.C. jgarrett2...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey, you! I've missed seeing you around! What's up? On May 3, 4:09 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: WV, WHAT? The Bible was written about 1,000 freakin' years before Protestant Christianity even existed. As you say, it was the early protestants that claimed the sitting Pope was the anti-Christ. So now you want to claim the visit of the Pope is a fullfullment of a Bible prophecy Dude, what are you smoking? Your pissed because the Catholic Church screwed over your ancestors a 5 or 600 years ago.? I'M still pissed at the Brits for what they did to my ancestors on my mother's side of the family and ALL you white Europeans for what you did to my ancestors on my father's side of the family. What the hell, I'm pissed at blacks as well. They had no problem with helping the white's fuck over the Native American's once they had their freedom. In short, get over it. Everyone is someone's victum and one point or another. :-) On May 3, 4:23 pm, Web Veteran rogerbo...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? Pope Benedict is set to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land May 8-15. Is this a fulfillment of Bible prophecies? First, let it be known that I am still a Protestant. Robert Schuller, freemason, says he doesn't want to be called a Protestant any more because he isn't protesting anything. Pretty much all the Masonic Christians, if there is such a thing, will take that position because at a certain level of Masonry you take an oath to do everything the pope tells you to do. The deadly wound of schism between Protestants and Catholics has been healed with the modern ecumenical movement, and now Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jack Van Impe, and virtually all the Protestants really aren't Protestants any more because they aren't protesting the Roman Catholic Church. So why am I still a Protestant? My ancestors were French Huguenots who had their lands stolen by the Roman Catholics. They just escaped with their lives the Catholic uprising in France. I don't think we should forget the countless Protestant martyrs who have died at the hands of Roman Catholic murderers in France, Ireland and many areas of the world over hundreds of years. Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs as I have for details. The early Protestant leaders, Luther, Calvin, etc., all considered whatever pope was in power to be the Antichrist, so there weren't just minor differences in theology causing the Protestant Reformation. The popes call themselves the Holy Father for example, and that is a blasphemous title that should be reserved only for God. Jesus Christ said only He should be called Father. Any ways, the Bible says that when the Antichrist stands in the holy place, where it ought not, all hell will soon break loose. I think that prophecy could soon be fulfilled when the evil Antichrist Pope Benedict will soon be standing in the holy places of Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem. ___ Free King James Bible for your charitable gift of any size:http://hubpages.com/hub/free-king-james-bible-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: By the time this all gets resolved he will be dead!!
could someone tell me WHY we are harboring a suspected criminal that is NOT EVEN American? On May 4, 11:47 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: [Get Copyright Permissions] http://license.icopyright.net/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 E-Mail http://license.icopyright.net/g1/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Print http://license.icopyright.net/g2/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Save http://license.icopyright.net/s13/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Post http://license.icopyright.net/g3/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Get Photos http://license.icopyright.net/g5/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Get Reprints http://license.icopyright.net/s17/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 | Reuse Options http://license.icopyright.net/3.5721?icx_id=D97VFUR84 May 4, 10:45 AM EDT German court receives Demjanjuk petition BERLIN (AP) -- A Berlin court will weigh a petition from a German lawyer of suspected Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk seeking to block his planned deportation from the United States. Berlin administrative court spokesman Stefan Groscurth says it will inform Germany's Justice Ministry of the challenge on Monday. The ministry would represent the German government if the court takes up the case. Groscurth declined to comment further, but a copy of the petition provided by Demjanjuk's lawyer argues the 89-year-old Ohio resident is too ill to be transferred to Germany to face trial in Munich on suspicion of Nazi-era crimes. Lawyer Ulrich Busch wants the German government to withdraw its willingness to accept Demjanjuk. The Justice Ministry refused comment. © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy http://apdigitalnews.com/privacy.html. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
What a surprise - or not
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Re: Massachusetts town policies
would i still be ablr to toke a joint? On May 4, 1:23 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: http://massbackwards.blogspot.com/2009/05/give-us-this-day-our-daily-... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I wonder if anyone has asked Miss North Carolina what she thinks of this brouhaha and whether the fact that she won the contest because of an imbecilic judge makes her feel she deserves the crow
Because d.b. and others heard the rage of Perez Hilton. A psychotic tantrum. Yes- d.b. hits the nail on the head. And yes- Miss California is a beautiful woman and I hope she has learned her lesson about exposure and what it costs and finds her own gallant love. As for the Trumps- they are all pimps- male and female alike. On May 4, 8:58�am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm... I dunno, but I think Sugarshack has a cocktail virus, (*e.g*.; a hangover) and/or he woke up (at noon) on the wrong side of the bed!! I haven't a clue what the Hell you are talking about Sugarshack, maybe you could be more specific? Holly, I actually laughed out loud at D.B.'s answer, it was definitely on point! Read it again!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Democrats meet the new Cowboy
My solution to politicians is to elect them to 1 six-year term and then take
them out and shoot them.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Daniel Seigler danielseig...@hotmail.comwrote:
welcome to ONE PARTY POLITICS..may we get rid of ALL incumbants in
2010? i certainly HOPE so, and not just with more of the same...elect
a 'nonparty' candidate.
On May 4, 12:07 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote:
who cross-dresses as a bi-partisan consensus builder... If he
continues on this path 2010 is a rerun of 1994...
http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Disarming+the+minority%3...
The fact that they know they don't need Republicans will make it less
likely that they find common ground. Democrats can get everything they want
if they just hold out until October.
That's no way to govern. But as we are learning with this new
President, it's his way or ... his way.
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Re: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies?
The Pope better hurry. America/Obama is sticking a knife in Israel's back. On May 3, 4:23�pm, Web Veteran rogerbo...@gmail.com wrote: Pope's Visit To Israel A Fulfillment Of Bible Prophecies? Pope Benedict is set to visit Jerusalem and the Holy Land May 8-15. Is this a fulfillment of Bible prophecies? First, let it be known that I am still a Protestant. Robert Schuller, freemason, says he doesn't want to be called a Protestant any more because he isn't protesting anything. Pretty much all the Masonic Christians, if there is such a thing, will take that position because at a certain level of Masonry you take an oath to do everything the pope tells you to do. The deadly wound of schism between Protestants and Catholics has been healed with the modern ecumenical movement, and now Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Paul and Jan Crouch, Jack Van Impe, and virtually all the Protestants really aren't Protestants any more because they aren't protesting the Roman Catholic Church. So why am I still a Protestant? My ancestors were French Huguenots who had their lands stolen by the Roman Catholics. They just escaped with their lives the Catholic uprising in France. I don't think we should forget the countless Protestant martyrs who have died at the hands of Roman Catholic murderers in France, Ireland and many areas of the world over hundreds of years. Read the Foxe's Book of Martyrs as I have for details. The early Protestant leaders, Luther, Calvin, etc., all considered whatever pope was in power to be the Antichrist, so there weren't just minor differences in theology causing the Protestant Reformation. The popes call themselves the Holy Father for example, and that is a blasphemous title that should be reserved only for God. Jesus Christ said only He should be called Father. Any ways, the Bible says that when the Antichrist stands in the holy place, where it ought not, all hell will soon break loose. I think that prophecy could soon be fulfilled when the evil Antichrist Pope Benedict will soon be standing in the holy places of Bethlehem, Nazareth, and Jerusalem. ___� Free King James Bible for your charitable gift of any size:http://hubpages.com/hub/free-king-james-bible --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
The prospect of all-female conception
DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-conception-64.html The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone marrow can be lured into developing into the stem cells that can make sperm cells. The ultimate aim is to discover if these secondary stem cells can then be made into other useful tissues of the body, he said. The latest findings, published in the journal Reproduction: Gamete Biology, show that male bone marrow can be used to make the early spermatagonial stem cells that normally mature into fully developed sperm cells. Our next goal is to see if we can get the spermatagonial stem cells to progress to mature sperm in the laboratory and this should take around three to five years of experiments, Professor Nayernia said. Last year, Professor Nayernia led scientists at the University of Gottingen in Germany who became the first to produce viable artificial sperm from mouse embryonic stem cells, which were used to produce seven live offspring. His latest work on stem cells derived from human bone marrow suggests that it could be possible to develop the techniques to help men who cannot produce their own sperm naturally. We're very excited about this discovery, particularly as our earlier work in mice suggests that we could develop this work even further, Professor Nayernia said. Whether the scientists will ever be able to develop the techniques to help real patients - male or female - will depend on future legislation that the Government is preparing as a replacement to the existing Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. A White Paper on genetics suggested that artificial gametes produced from the ordinary somatic tissue of the body may be banned from being used to fertilise human eggs by in vitro fertilisation. *Making babies without men - a literary view* *LYSISTRATA* *Aristophanes (c. 411BC)* After 21 years of war, the women of Athens, led by Lysistrata, take matters into their own hands. Lysistrata suggests every wife and mistress should refuse all sexual favours until peacetime. Before long it proves effective, peace is concluded and the play ends with festivities. *HERLAND* *Charlotte Perkins Gilman (1914)* On the eve of the First World War, an isolated society entirely comprising Aryan women is discovered by three male explorers. The women reproduce asexually and live in an ideal society without war and domination. This feminist utopia is a 20th-century
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
jgg, How do you destroy someone's profession when that profession is being young and good-looking? You kill me, the strongest criticsm you have for Democrats is that they act like Republicans. On May 4, 1:40 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate... Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly popular since the early 1980s with the media, advocacy groups, academics, and liberal politicians--all of whom have vested
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
jgg, I thought the thread title was about CRIMINALIZING thoughts and opinions? Is this a generalized, free-floating whine or do you have a specific piece of legislation in mind that has something to do with THOUGHT or OPINIONS? On May 4, 1:56 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: By the how many folks here would call it hate speech if one called obama a house nigger... Most I suspect... But that, as in your reasoning, is not tieing Obama up to any post... The issue is the Left using different standard for Speech by the Right as it applies to folks on the Left... In this case, the principle becomes hate speech is anything unkind said about my allies... On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate... Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
KIT, No, you're sure as hell no Bible scholar. But then I don't claim to be either. I'm not even a Christian, but appreciate wisdom wherever I find it. I actually agree with that statement. So what's the big deal about the Ten Commandments about? On May 4, 1:46 pm, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Holly, am no Bible scholar, especially as compared to you Holly! By no means do I intend to challenge you on your knowledge of the Bible or your religious beliefs. Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* the Old Testament could be summarized in two commands: *Love God with all your heart, soul and mind*; and *Love your neighbor as yourself* *See* Luke 12:28-32. Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another*.” * See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear*.” *See* Hebrews 8:13. There are many in the secularist community that wish to utilize and rely upon Old Testament verses to somehow criticize Christians, or any American, by example, for their opposition to Gay Marriage, which is not at all in keeping with the New Covenants and Christianity. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
dick, If that was a question maybe you should have put a question mark after the sentance instead of a period. You realize that the peroid make it a declarative statement and not a question. NOW I have to read your mind? Moses WAS'T the guy that brought the tablets with the Ten Commandments down from Mt. Arat? Who was it then? C'mon Charleton Heston isn't THAT old. On May 4, 1:56 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks for adding the is I didn't put in there on purpose. It was a question to you to tell me what in the New Testament negates what is in the Old Testament that would make you make your statement about Moses. After all look at all the Gospel hymns about Elijah and Jeremiah and Isaih and Daniel and David and Solomon. Your initial statement was totally out of line with the beliefs of Christians. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 02:40 PM: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: And they act as if this is a good thing!
Dick, Gee, all the sudden your silent. On May 4, 9:26 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: dick, Blah, blah, blah, all your going to respond with is conservative myths and propaganda? Human nature does not exist, the Industrial revolution and the resulting social, economic and environmental problems never happened. ? My question was simple.If you get rid of all the alphabet govt. agencies who will perform the functions they were responsible for? Never mind if they were doing a particularly good job at a given point in time. Are you REALLY dumb enough to believe that chemical companies will not dump dangerous pollants into our air and water because it just wouldn't be right? All the corprations will just join hands and act out of love and concern for their fellow man and make profits a lesser concern? No need for OSHA or the EPA, the corporations will do the right thing out of compassion and their love for humankind? And people say liberals are unrealistic dreamers, LMAO! On May 3, 10:37 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Certainly did. Also look at the 2 centuries of the history of this country. THe more the government interfered, the more the people gave up on their initiatives and became users rather than doers. Really simple. You can compare the Wealth of Nations to the historical experience. Which are you going to believe, the books or your own eyes. Take a look around. Based on Bambi's doing so far we can see that the books are not the answer. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 09:39 PM: dick, Do you expect me to take such an answer seriously? Have you no knowledge of human nature or corporate nature. You're pulling my keg, right? Have you never read The wealth Of Nations? On May 3, 6:54 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Nothing. They are not needed if the people do their own jobs. They were not needed when they were created. It was all just a feel good exercise that either did nothing of value or made the situation worse. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 07:22 PM: dick, OK, so who or what would you replace those agencies with? Not saying that you are essentially wrong. So who would you put in charge of making sure our air, water and environment is not poisened? Who would you put in charge to make sure our workers are not screwed? I'm listening. On May 3, 6:10 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: On the other hand they can fund them and make them non-toothless tigers and then we will be truly in the soup. What needs to happen is that these agencies need to disappear, not just be defunded. Then we can see that they do not do any more harm than they already have. It is like some of te old laws. So long as they are on the books the government can make them active any time it wants. What we are seeing with these liberals is that they keep putting bandaids on problems and claiming they fixed it. It is all a temporary fix that gets made permanent because it never again gets addressed. Rather than going back to first principles and actually doing it right they just compound the problem by piling statute on top of statute on top of the original bad law to the point that nobody can get to the base problem. At that point this crew then funds a new agency doing the same thing as the old agency did only with a new set of laws but the old ones are still there to be brought back any time they want. And then they claim they fixed the problem. We end up with duplicate agencies who get in each other's way and as a result nothing gets fixed at all but the media plays it as if the genius did it. That is what we are seeing now and it is going to be a bigger and bigger mess as a result but the media will proclaim him a Wonder and a National Treasure. Hollywood wrote On 05/03/2009 06:30 PM: KIT, Matter of opinion. Most of those alphabet agencies are toothless tigers. The politicians in the executive and legislative branches at any given time can make those agencies impotent at will by under- funding them, putting an anti-labor person at their head, etc. etc. Shaking down the working man? Sounds like a description of Congress and politicians in general. On May 3, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: Bull Hocky Holly, Unions are outdated. If we didn't have a huge, expansive, unconstitutional federal government, I might tend to agree with you, but federal Departments and Agencies like DOT, OSHA, Wage Hour, EPA, HUD, etc., have replaced everything that a Union once did. Now, they are nothing less than a racketeer influenced organization, shaking down the working man in order to maintain their existence. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: dick, Your
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
KIT, BTW did you Oklahoma friend mention if any of these laws being passed had any teeth in them? Any money provided to cover the expense of incarcerating all those illegals, holding them and then transporting them to other states? Any penalities provided for ignoring these laws, that can be enforced? Name the bold steps taken by the Federal govt. to take Oklahomans guns away. What exactly does it mean to be a sovreign state? What was Oklahoma and Texas before? Are you saying that means Texas and Oklahoma are declaring their laws take precidence over Federal law? Declare all you wish, but when it comes down to it Federal law WILL be obeyed. Sounds like political grand-standing that does not mean jack-shit in any practical way. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway ** --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: (House of Dawg) The prospect of all-female conception
You don't need a Y chromosome to reproduce females. Laboratories have already taken genetic material from an egg and made a para-sperm from it that could be used to fertilize another egg. If you follow the news about such things it has all been discussed for several years On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-conception-64.html The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone marrow can be lured into developing into the stem cells that can make sperm cells. The ultimate aim is to discover if these secondary stem cells can then be made into other useful tissues of the body, he said. The latest findings, published in the journal Reproduction: Gamete Biology, show that male bone marrow can be used to make the early spermatagonial stem cells that normally mature into fully developed sperm cells. Our next goal is to see if we can get the spermatagonial stem cells to progress to mature sperm in the laboratory and this should take around three to five years of experiments, Professor Nayernia said. Last year, Professor Nayernia led scientists at the University of Gottingen in Germany who became the first to produce viable artificial sperm from mouse embryonic stem cells, which were used to produce seven live offspring. His latest work on stem cells derived from human bone marrow suggests that it could be possible to develop the techniques to help men who cannot produce their own sperm naturally. We're very excited about this discovery, particularly as our earlier work in mice suggests that we could develop this work even further, Professor Nayernia said. Whether the scientists will ever be able to develop the techniques to help real patients - male or female - will depend on future legislation that the Government is preparing as a replacement to the existing Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. A White Paper on genetics suggested that artificial gametes produced from the ordinary somatic tissue of the body may be banned from being used to fertilise human eggs by in vitro fertilisation. *Making babies without men - a literary view* *LYSISTRATA* *Aristophanes (c. 411BC)* After 21 years of war, the women of Athens, led by Lysistrata, take matters into their own hands. Lysistrata suggests every wife and mistress
Re: The prospect of all-female conception
bruce, How will they decide who has the pay the alimony and child-support if the couples break up if no male is involved??? On May 4, 5:00 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-c... The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone marrow can be lured into developing into the stem cells that can make sperm cells. The ultimate aim is to discover if these secondary stem cells can then be made into other useful tissues of the body, he said. The latest findings, published in the journal Reproduction: Gamete Biology, show that male bone marrow can be used to make the early spermatagonial stem cells that normally mature into fully developed sperm cells. Our next goal is to see if we can get the spermatagonial stem cells to progress to mature sperm in the laboratory and this should take around three to five years of experiments, Professor Nayernia said. Last year, Professor Nayernia led scientists at the University of Gottingen in Germany who became the first to produce viable artificial sperm from mouse embryonic stem cells, which were used to produce seven live offspring. His latest work on stem cells derived from human bone marrow suggests that it could be possible to develop the techniques to help men who cannot produce their own sperm naturally. We're very excited about this discovery, particularly as our earlier work in mice suggests that we could develop this work even further, Professor Nayernia said. Whether the scientists will ever be able to develop the techniques to help real patients - male or female - will depend on future legislation that the Government is preparing as a replacement to the existing Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. A White Paper on genetics suggested that artificial gametes produced from the ordinary somatic tissue of the body may be banned from being used to fertilise human eggs by in vitro fertilisation. *Making babies without men - a literary view* *LYSISTRATA* *Aristophanes (c. 411BC)* After 21 years of war, the women of Athens, led by Lysistrata, take matters into their own hands. Lysistrata suggests every wife and mistress should refuse all sexual favours until peacetime. Before long it proves effective, peace is concluded and the play ends with festivities. *HERLAND* *Charlotte Perkins Gilman (1914)* On the
Re: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
Travis,
Nh, the outfit is to tight to properly conceal my pistol.
On May 4, 3:28 pm, Travis baconl...@gmail.com wrote:
If it had been St. Louis, I'd a thunk it'd be Holly.
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.comwrote:
Here's Shadow Hare's MySpace page, and his lovely costumed picture:
http://www.myspace.com/shadow_hare
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, dick thompson
rhomp2...@earthlink.netwrote:
Guess they never knew about the Guardian Angels that have been active in
NYC for a generation.
Travis wrote On 05/04/2009 02:49 PM:
From: Travis
Date: Mon, May 4, 2009
Subject: Caped superhero vows to clean up crime in Cincinnati
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5268657/Ca...
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Re: The prospect of all-female conception
I am going to over-share here and tell you that I am gay (though NOT a leftist) and that I actually met this gal in California who was involved in one of the lesbian couple law suits that got the lesbians all in a twist. She was an heiress and philanthropist to gay causes who had a baby biologically and then had her lesbian domestic partner do a second parent adoption in California. Then they broke up and she hired very expensive lawyers to dissolve that other woman's legal parental rights. I will try and google up the story. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: bruce, How will they decide who has the pay the alimony and child-support if the couples break up if no male is involved??? On May 4, 5:00 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-c... The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone marrow can be lured into developing into the stem cells that can make sperm cells. The ultimate aim is to discover if these secondary stem cells can then be made into other useful tissues of the body, he said. The latest findings, published in the journal Reproduction: Gamete Biology, show that male bone marrow can be used to make the early spermatagonial stem cells that normally mature into fully developed sperm cells. Our next goal is to see if we can get the spermatagonial stem cells to progress to mature sperm in the laboratory and this should take around three to five years of experiments, Professor Nayernia said. Last year, Professor Nayernia led scientists at the University of Gottingen in Germany who became the first to produce viable artificial sperm from mouse embryonic stem cells, which were used to produce seven live offspring. His latest work on stem cells derived from human bone marrow suggests that it could be possible to develop the techniques to help men who cannot produce their own sperm naturally. We're very excited about this discovery, particularly as our earlier work in mice suggests that we could develop this work even further, Professor Nayernia said. Whether the scientists will ever be able to develop the techniques to help real patients - male or female - will depend on future legislation that the Government is
Re: The prospect of all-female conception
bruce, Just as i thought. With no male to hammer it will simply be the woman that can afford the best lawyers that gets to fuck over the other woman. Could care less about your sexuality. On May 4, 6:01 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to over-share here and tell you that I am gay (though NOT a leftist) and that I actually met this gal in California who was involved in one of the lesbian couple law suits that got the lesbians all in a twist. She was an heiress and philanthropist to gay causes who had a baby biologically and then had her lesbian domestic partner do a second parent adoption in California. Then they broke up and she hired very expensive lawyers to dissolve that other woman's legal parental rights. I will try and google up the story. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: bruce, How will they decide who has the pay the alimony and child-support if the couples break up if no male is involved??? On May 4, 5:00 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-c... The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone marrow can be lured into developing into the stem cells that can make sperm cells. The ultimate aim is to discover if these secondary stem cells can then be made into other useful tissues of the body, he said. The latest findings, published in the journal Reproduction: Gamete Biology, show that male bone marrow can be used to make the early spermatagonial stem cells that normally mature into fully developed sperm cells. Our next goal is to see if we can get the spermatagonial stem cells to progress to mature sperm in the laboratory and this should take around three to five years of experiments, Professor Nayernia said. Last year, Professor Nayernia led scientists at the University of Gottingen in Germany who became the first to produce viable artificial sperm from mouse embryonic stem cells, which were used to produce seven live offspring. His latest work on stem cells derived from human bone marrow suggests that it could be possible to develop the techniques to help men who cannot produce their own sperm
Re: The prospect of all-female conception
Well I suspect that when one side has more money they become a big target, and they can also hire the meanest lawyers So if you make it two men or two women lawyers still show up to charge their fees. I heard from a lawyer who did palimony suits once that these two guys broke up. One was a waiter and one a lawyer. When they broke up Mr.Waiter said lets sell the house and split the capital gains.Mr.Lawyer said, deed and mortgage is in my name it is my house. Mr.Waiter says I paid half the mortgage and half the downpayment.Mr.Lawyer said that was rent. So Mr. Waiter hires the palimony lawyer he asks Mr.Lawyer You maintain that the money he gave you every monh for exactly half the mortgage was rent.and Mr.Lawyer says yes. And palimony lawyer says and of course you reported this rental income on your tax returns And Mr.Lawyer says: oh.Half the house is Mr.Waiter's. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: bruce, Just as i thought. With no male to hammer it will simply be the woman that can afford the best lawyers that gets to fuck over the other woman. Could care less about your sexuality. On May 4, 6:01 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to over-share here and tell you that I am gay (though NOT a leftist) and that I actually met this gal in California who was involved in one of the lesbian couple law suits that got the lesbians all in a twist. She was an heiress and philanthropist to gay causes who had a baby biologically and then had her lesbian domestic partner do a second parent adoption in California. Then they broke up and she hired very expensive lawyers to dissolve that other woman's legal parental rights. I will try and google up the story. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, How will they decide who has the pay the alimony and child-support if the couples break up if no male is involved??? On May 4, 5:00 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: DISAPPEARANCE Philip Wylie (1978) At four minutes and 52 seconds past four one afternoon, the world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. With families and loved ones separated from one another, life continues very differently as an explosion of violence sweeps one world while stability and peace break down in the other. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-prospect-of-allfemale-c. .. The prospect of all-female conception By Steve Connor, Science Editor Friday, 13 April 2007 Women might soon be able to produce sperm in a development that could allow lesbian couples to have their own biological daughters, according to a pioneering study published today. Scientists are seeking ethical permission to produce synthetic sperm cells from a woman's bone marrow tissue after showing that it possible to produce rudimentary sperm cells from male bone-marrow tissue. The researchers said they had already produced early sperm cells from bone-marrow tissue taken from men. They believe the findings show that it may be possible to restore fertility to men who cannot naturally produce their own sperm. But the results also raise the prospect of being able to take bone-marrow tissue from women and coaxing the stem cells within the female tissue to develop into sperm cells, said Professor Karim Nayernia of the University of Newcastle upon Tyne. Creating sperm from women would mean they would only be able to produce daughters because the Y chromosome of male sperm would still be needed to produce sons. The latest research brings the prospect of female-only conception a step closer. Theoretically is it possible, Professor Nayernia said. The problem is whether the sperm cells are functional or not. I don't think there is an ethical barrier, so long as it's safe. We are in the process of applying for ethical approval. We are preparing now to apply to use the existing bone marrow stem cell bank here in Newcastle. We need permission from the patient who supplied the bone marrow, the ethics committee and the hospital itself. If sperm cells can be developed from female bone-marrow tissue they will be matured in the laboratory and tested for their ability to penetrate the outer shell of a hamster's egg - a standard fertility test for sperm. We want to test the functionality of any male and female sperm that is made by this way, Professor Nayernia said. But he said there was no intention at this stage to produce female sperm that would be used to fertilise a human egg, a move that would require the approval of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. The immediate aim is to see if female bone
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
We should only be so lucky. Then you would be getting rid of all the deadwood you have in Congress (can you spell Rangel, Murtha, Frank, Dodd, Kerry, Durbin, Harkins, Obey, Spector, Waters, Waxman, Pelosi, Rockefeller, Boxer, Murray). Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 06:00 PM: jgg, How do you destroy someone's profession when that profession is being young and good-looking? You kill me, the strongest criticsm you have for Democrats is that they act like Republicans. On May 4, 1:40 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news formula that has become increasingly
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
Charlton Heston isn't. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 06:15 PM: dick, If that was a question maybe you should have put a question mark after the sentance instead of a period. You realize that the peroid make it a declarative statement and not a question. NOW I have to read your mind? Moses WAS'T the guy that brought the tablets with the Ten Commandments down from Mt. Arat? Who was it then? C'mon Charleton Heston isn't THAT old. On May 4, 1:56 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks for adding the is I didn't put in there on purpose. It was a question to you to tell me what in the New Testament negates what is in the Old Testament that would make you make your statement about Moses. After all look at all the Gospel hymns about Elijah and Jeremiah and Isaih and Daniel and David and Solomon. Your initial statement was totally out of line with the beliefs of Christians. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 02:40 PM: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
Releasing the info about breast surgery is something they would never do to anyone if they took the rightposition On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: jgg, How do you destroy someone's profession when that profession is being young and good-looking? You kill me, the strongest criticsm you have for Democrats is that they act like Republicans. On May 4, 1:40 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the bill. If not now, when? demanded NLGTF Executive Director Kerry Lobel. We are extremely disappointed that Wyoming refused to take real leadership on this issue. Such reactions fit into the hate crime news
Re: (House of Dawg) The prospect of all-female conception
Sperm cells created from female embryo By Roger Highfield, Science Editor Last Updated: 12:17AM GMT 01 Feb 2008 [image: Sperm cells created from female embryo] Lesbian couples could one day have children who share both their genes Sperm cells have been created from a female human embryo in a remarkable breakthrough that suggests it may be possible for lesbian couples to have their own biological children. British scientists who had already coaxed male bone marrow cells to develop into primitive sperm cells have now repeated the feat with female embryonic stem cells. Related Articles - 21 January 2008[Earth]: Embryo law 'will hit Alzheimer's cure research'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/21/scistem121.xml - The miracle stem cell cures made in Britainhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/5232182/The-miracle-stem-cell-cures-made-in-Britain.html - Stem cell breakthrough could help infertile womenhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5144823/Stem-cell-breakthrough-could-help-infertile-women.html - Hospital used wrong sperm to fertilise eggshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/5222441/Hospital-used-wrong-sperm-to-fertilise-eggs.html - Male contraceptive pill is step closer as faulty gene found that causes infertilityhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5093955/Male-contraceptive-pill-is-step-closer-as-faulty-gene-found-that-causes-infertility.html - Older mothers: late bloomershttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/women_shealth/5016916/Older-mothers-late-bloomers.html The University of Newcastle team that has achieved the feat is now applying for permission to turn the bone marrow of a woman into sperm which, if successful, would make the method more practical than with embryonic cells. It raises the possibility of lesbian couples one day having children who share both their genes as sperm created from the bone marrow of one woman could be used to fertilise an egg from her partner. Men and women differ because of what are called sex chromosomes. Both have an X chromosome. But only men possess a Y chromosome that carries several genes thought to be essential to make sperm, so there has been scepticism that female stem cells could ever be used to make sperm. In April last year, Prof Karim Nayernia, Professor of Stem Cell Biology at Newcastle University, made headlines by taking stem cells from adult men and making them develop into primitive sperm. He has now managed to repeat the feat of creating the primitive sperm cells with female embryonic stem cells in unpublished work. The next step is to make these primitive sperm undergo meiosis, so they have the right amount of genetic material for fertilisation. Prof Nayernia showed the potential of the method in 2006, when he used sperm derived from male embryonic stem cells to fertilise mice to produce seven pups, six of which lived to adulthood, though the survivors did suffer problems. He is now optimistic about the prospect of lab-grown sperm from women. “I think, in principle, it will be scientifically possible,” Prof Nayernia told New Scientist. He said that he has applied for ethical approval from the university to use bone marrow stem cells from women to start experiments to derive female sperm. “We are now writing the application form,” he said, adding that experiments will begin in Newcastle if and when they get approval. However, Dr Robin Lovell-Badge, a stem cell and sex determination expert at the National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, London, doubts it will work: “The presence of two X chromosomes is incompatible with this. Moreover they need genes from the Y chromosome to go through meiosis. So they are at least double-damned.” In Brazil, a team led by Dr Irina Kerkis of the Butantan Institute in Saõ Paulo claims to have made both sperm and eggs from cultures of male mouse embryonic stem cells in the journal Cloning and Stem Cells. The researchers have not yet shown that their male eggs can be fertilised to produce viable offspring, but they are thinking about possibilities for same-sex human reproduction. If all these experiments pan out, then the stage would also be set for a gay man to donate skin cells that could be used to make eggs, which could then be fertilised by his partner’s sperm and placed into the uterus of a surrogate mother. “I think it is possible,” says Kerkis, “but I don’t know how people will look at this ethically.” The UK parliament is now debating changes to the 1990 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act, and the government is under pressure to include an amendment that would allow the future use of eggs and sperm grown in the lab from stem cells. However, a clause added to this amendment would restrict this to sperm from genetic males and eggs from genetic females. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:50 PM, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need a Y chromosome to reproduce females. Laboratories have
Suddenly The DOW Performance Is Not Important
or at least not as important as it was a couple of months ago. Anyone remember how conservatives here were screaming doom and gloom because the DOW was down and somehow it was all the fault of a President who had been in office just a few weeks? Hell some were blaming him even before he took office. And it was pretty bad. The low was on March 6th when the DOW closed at 6,626.9. It closed today at 8,426.74. Suddenly the cons are not screaming that the performance of the DOW is totally on the head of the sitting President. Funny, ain't it? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
bruce, No idea what you're talking about. Who's they? Who had breast surgery and why? On May 4, 6:21 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Releasing the info about breast surgery is something they would never do to anyone if they took the rightposition On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: jgg, How do you destroy someone's profession when that profession is being young and good-looking? You kill me, the strongest criticsm you have for Democrats is that they act like Republicans. On May 4, 1:40 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate... Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really the Hate State. Even as Shepard's grieving parents reaffirmed on NBC's *Dateline* and in *Vanity Fair* that they did not want their son's death used in a campaign for hate crime legislation or any other political cause, groups such as the National Lesbian and Gay Task Force (NLGTF) inferred that the legislature had not merely declined to fight intolerance but itself embodied intolerance for failing to pass the
Re: An Update From Oklahoma
dick, That was a freakin' joke. Are you going to tell me who it was that brought the Ten Commandments, if not Moses, or aren't you? If you don't know just say so. We both agree that it was NOT Chuck Heston. On May 4, 6:19 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Charlton Heston isn't. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 06:15 PM: dick, If that was a question maybe you should have put a question mark after the sentance instead of a period. You realize that the peroid make it a declarative statement and not a question. NOW I have to read your mind? Moses WAS'T the guy that brought the tablets with the Ten Commandments down from Mt. Arat? Who was it then? C'mon Charleton Heston isn't THAT old. On May 4, 1:56 pm, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks for adding the is I didn't put in there on purpose. It was a question to you to tell me what in the New Testament negates what is in the Old Testament that would make you make your statement about Moses. After all look at all the Gospel hymns about Elijah and Jeremiah and Isaih and Daniel and David and Solomon. Your initial statement was totally out of line with the beliefs of Christians. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 02:40 PM: dick, What is in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandmants BUT Christians accept BOTH the Old Testament and the New Testament Would you like to think about those statements for a little while??? On May 4, 11:32 am, dick thompson rhomp2...@earthlink.net wrote: Christians accept both the Old Testament and the New Testament. What in the New Testament negates the Ten Commandments. Also note all the references to David in the New Testament and Abraham and so many of the other prophets. Hollywood wrote On 05/04/2009 12:16 PM: KIT, Christian values? I thought it was Moses that brought down the 10 Commandants and not Jesus. On May 4, 10:54 am, Keith In Tampa keithinta...@gmail.com wrote: I received this message from a friend of mine who lives out in Iowa, but I thought it was an interesting perspective: = *An update from Oklahoma.* The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in DC, along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values...! Guess what..We did it anyway. We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered. Hope we didn't send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake. Guess what..we did it anyway Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional. Guess whatWe did it anyway. Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what.More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina's, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida. Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again. The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I'm sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi. Guess what..We did it anyway. By the way, Obama does not like any of this. Guess whatwho cares...were doing it anyway **- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Thanks for being part of PoliticalForum at Google Groups. For options help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: criminalizing unfashionable thoughts and opinions
the Miss California pageant paid for Ms Prejean to have implants so she could win for them Then they released this info to smear here when they didn't like her views The sored their horse then tried to use that to disqualify her On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.comwrote: bruce, No idea what you're talking about. Who's they? Who had breast surgery and why? On May 4, 6:21 pm, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: Releasing the info about breast surgery is something they would never do to anyone if they took the rightposition On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg, How do you destroy someone's profession when that profession is being young and good-looking? You kill me, the strongest criticsm you have for Democrats is that they act like Republicans. On May 4, 1:40 pm, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Hollywood, the issue here is many of the LEFT make a a campaign to destroy someone professionally or politically. That culture and ethic of personal destruction is what McCartyism is all about... Or is it you do not oppose LW McCarthyism??? On May 4, 1:34 pm, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: jgg1000, Beats the hell out of me. She's just another citizen with an opinion she's free to express. Same as gay activists are free to express the opinion she's full of shit. You boys are way too delicate and sensitive. Saying something rude, crude and nasty about another person is destroying them? lay off the day-time soap operas. Anyone tie her to a fence post and beat her to death? On May 4, 11:48 am, jgg1000a jgg1...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is it the gay rights actives are doing their hate speech on Miss California... The political justification of personally seeking to destroy individuals because they oppose one's political position is called McCartyism... And that is what the Left has/and is doing time after time... Now bothe side have idoits who do this, but it seems the Left's idoits on more vocal about their hate...Frankly, it would do everyone good if some of the Lefty thugs were jailed of the spoken hate 24/7 under the hate speech laws they seek to impose on all... Second as you point out, Free Speech is about the right to speak, even hate... What is NOT permissible is acting on that hate... What the Left's goal is is to threaten all Speech they do not approve of... Speech as while as thought my friend, with rare exceptions, is not considered action under law... Now if Obama threatens private citizens with slander through the means of a complacent Press, as he has done, that is a serious abuse of power that YOU should be appalled with... On May 4, 11:14 am, Hollywood jimmyrocket1...@hotmail.com wrote: bruce, Think and hate all you wish, just don't physically express those thoughts and/or hatred. I can HATE a person and THINK and express the OPINION he/she ought to have his/her assed kicked. BUT, I better keep my hands off them or I'll find myself in jail for AB, or worse. On May 4, 1:54 am, bruce majors bruce.maj...@gmail.com wrote: The Hate State MythIn Wyoming, there are a few bigots who don't like gays. In the media, there are a lot more bigots who don't like Wyoming. Robert O. Blanchard http://reason.com/contrib/show/376.html | May 1999 Print Edition http://reason.com/issues/show/335.html In the wake of the brutal October 1998 murder-robbery of University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, the news media, liberal gay rights groups, politicians, and others engaged in a national outcry for swift enactment of hate crime legislation. A hate crime law would, as Joan M. Garry, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, put it, protect Wyoming gays from the kind of horrors which Matthew Shepard and his family have had to endure. The Wyoming legislature responded in February by voting on several hate crime bills--including one that even included protection of particular occupations, such as ranching, mining, and logging, from ecoterrorists. A House version of the bill was defeated in committee with a 30-30 tie. Two Senate versions were defeated in committee by wider margins. National proponents of hate crime laws were quick to pass judgment: Wyoming, rather than being The Equality State--Wyoming's official motto, adopted after it became the first state in the nation to grant women the right to vote--was really
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Rome Jews to sue leftist union Boycott of Israeli goods seen as instigating racial hatred http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2009-01-09_109312061.html (ANSA) - Rome - The Rome Jewish Community announced on Friday that it intended to sue a far left trade union over its call for a boycott of Israeli goods. The president of the capital's Jewish community, Renzo Pacifici, said the Flaica CUB union would be cited for violation of the so-called Mancino Law against instigation of racial hatred. Pacifici made his announcement after a meeting with Piero Marrazzo, president of the region of Lazio of which Rome is capital; the head of the union of Italian Jewish Communities (UCEI), Renzo Gattegna; and Rome's chief rabbi Riccardo Di Segni. Marrazzo, a member of the center-left Democratic party, agreed that action should be taken against the union while Gattegna branded the boycott initiative as ''a mad attempt at discrimination'' and stressed that even Italy's leading trade unions - CGIL, CISL and UIL - had condemned the move. The leftist union, which represents workers in Rome's retail services and food sector, has denied that it called for a boycott of Jewish retailers and claims that it's initiative was only aimed at products made in Israel. The union justified the boycott by saying it was a means to deny Israel funds to buy more weapons to be used against the Palestinians. According to the union, it has become the target of a media lynching campaign in order to draw attention away from the plight of Palestinians in Gaza. The boycott has also been criticised by the daily of the Italian Bishops Conference (CEI), Avvenire, which wrote on Friday that ''while one can be critical of a military action, one cannot penalise someone just because they adhere to a certain faith or community''. Defining the boycott as a protest against Israel, the bishops' daily observed, ''reflects a grave prejudice which is the basis of all anti-Semitic actions''. The proposed consumer boycott for the beginning sparked outrage among politicians on both the right and left in the Italian capital who saw it as targeting the city's Jewish community. The boycott proposal has already been firmly condemned by Rome's right-wing Mayor Gianni Alemanno who said that ''the people who came up with this horrible idea are not new to such initiatives, which are a throwback to similar ones in the mid-1930s which set the stage for (Fascist) Italy's (anti-Jewish) racial laws''. Alemanno underscored his backing for the Jewish community on Thursday when went with Pacifici to shop at Jewish stores in central Rome. The mayor's support of the city's Jewish community sparked protests by elements on the far right which on Friday hung several makeshift banners in Rome which called the one-time Neo-Fascist youth leader as a ''Zionist Butcher''. The banners also attacked Pacifici and called for ''victory for Hamas,'' the Islamist movement Israel has mounted an offensive against in the Gaza Strip, which has now entered its third week. * WORLD VIEW NEWS SERVICE To subscribe to this group, send an email to: wvns-subscr...@yahoogroups.com wvns-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com NEWS ARCHIVE IS OPEN TO PUBLIC VIEW http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/wvns/ Need some good karma? Appreciate the service? Please consider donating to WVNS today. Email ummyak...@yahoo.com ummyakoub%40yahoo.com for instructions. To leave this list, send an email to: wvns-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com wvns-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wvns/message/10656;_ylc=X3oDMTM2bG5sNGg0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3MTA3NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MjEzNTI5BG1zZ0lkAzEwNjU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ4MDQ3MwR0cGNJZAMxMDY1Ng--( 1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wvns/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdGw5dHUwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3MTA3NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MjEzNTI5BG1zZ0lkAzEwNjU2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ4MDQ3Mw--?act=replymessageNum=10656| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wvns/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlbTNoa2ZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3MTA3NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MjEzNTI5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ4MDQ3Mw-- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wvns/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYTI4OWg1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzg3MTA3NjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MjEzNTI5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ4MDQ3Mw-- MARKETPLACE I Got Fired But now make $350/day online!.http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14kc73rmg/M=733250.13416487.13509111.10835568/D=groups/S=1705213529:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1241487674/L=/B=TmAmHUPDhEQ-/J=1241480474061225/K=vh8oyyPqhXA3k9WjndoM0Q/A=5710655/R=0/SIG=12g2jn47v/*http://www.socialtrack.net/redir.aspx?CID=18601AFID=43106DID=81069SID=fired -- I'm happy I lost my Job. Now I make $12,000/mo online! See how I do it:
